How Does King Crimson Work?
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- Delving into the abilities of King Crimson.
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Intro: Crazy My Beat - Coda
Stardust Man Appears
Dark Rebirth
Maze
Tense
Eyes of Heaven - Higashikata House
Sorry to Katelin your name got cut off at the end.
I am really curious about who your favorite character is...
Hamon Beat what would you think would happen if king crimson didn’t have epitaph, do you think it would be used more like the world
@@heyimhereonyt that is a really good question
Obligatory King Crimson Time Erase joke
Hamon Beat Now the only doubt I have left about King Krimson is why the fortune teller alley was empty and clean after the skip, after the kid sees him. In the deleted time Diavolo cleaned up the scene and hid the objects and the body ?
King Crimson is like that one laggy guy in a match who just teleports everywhere and you suddenly die without being able to hit or see them
I said the EXACT same thing to my friend. Such an accurate analogy.
so alex yep
We have the same picture
More like the guy that uses cl_interp 5 to appear laggy when he is not and be able to kill people when they are already gone
From the victim's perspective perhaps, though from the user's perspective, your example would be more akin to time stop.
King Crimson’s facial expressions look like what I imagine when I hear the words ‘physically angry’.
That is so true
Pretty much
I always joke its the face someone makes when they get caught doing something bad or embarrassing. Which fits the character i suppose
He looks hella constipated
@@goofygoob420 ur not wrong lmao
Fun fact: Even thought King Crimson technically only appears in part 5, his powers still activate in Stone Ocean every time a reader wants to rush to get to part 7
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King Crimson explained (Simplified) th-cam.com/video/-JiA_5Uu4Rc/w-d-xo.html
@@firstname8044 you bastard
@@firstname8044 temeh...
Tampon Ocean.
Part 5 really needed a moment where a character (maybe mista or narancia) is like "how does KC work" and then giorno explains it with helpful diagrams on the screen, but instead they were all like "KC erases time" and they all were like "I understand completely" because they are all such chads of abstract thinking
To be fair, from an outside perspective, it does look like King Crimson's power is just skipping time. It's only from Diavolo's perspective that we see what actually happens.
@@Felnal regardless of whether it makes sense in-story, I think most people would enjoy KC's scenes more if they understood what was going on.
Yea honestly, some stand abilities are a bit confusing, maybe we don't need a whole scene where a character ask "what is that?" But at least one of those monologs that characters have while they fight.
@@Felnal tbf its not like araki isn't keen on giving us clear explanations on less complicated abilities before, when it was needed
it even added some character in those moments, like kira being able to predict where an air bubble bomb is through math
@@alexjustalexyt1144 isn't that what literally happened when Diavolo impaled Bruno? He not only shows but also explains his ability to the audience. I mean, tbf he didn't explained in excruciating details revolving the course of fate itself but I think if he explained it even further people would complain the anime is monologuing to explain what's literally happening on screen like they do with the Speedwagon scenes
King Crimson is like ripping a page out of a book. The results and impacts of what happened are still there, but those events causing it were ripped. Epitaph is just looking at the next page. If you see something cool on the next page you can rip out the page before it
So KC'a power is to be able to let Araki take a day off from illustrating and just continue the story with a page left out? Hmm...seems convenient. ^_^
Wow that's a good metaphor.
Yeah for real, this is actually pretty helpful
Hey... You know that 'Epitaph' is actually one of the songs from King Crimson's 1st album? The song was only uploaded a few weeks ago. For years the songs from this album have been taken down, but now they're all on the official channel. Including 21st century Schizoid Man which Kanye West profited greatly from. There are better songs than this on the album. But good coincidence anyway.. Guess the writer of this Jojo thing, is a fan of the band.. th-cam.com/video/vXrpFxHfppI/w-d-xo.html
@@PEGGLORE Dude. Did you skip the past 4 parts? Every name in this series is a reference to Music. Like part 4's villain Kira Yoshikage. His stand and it's abilities are all reference to the rock band Queen.
So in short...
Fate: You'll have to do this
Diavlo: I don't think I will
Fate: Fine, I'll do it myself
More like
Fate: Everyone has to do what I say!!!
Diavolo: Hey wait a minute, don't you owe me $20?
Fate: ah, there's been a mistake. This one guy is exempt.
It was painful doing this format of comment.
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Imagine you're Narancia in Giornio's body, and suddenly you just start floating upward and get final destinationed on some recently broken bars.
Except you don't even see yourself floathing
@@illuminatiiluminado4624 That just mean's our boy Narancia had a painless death though right?
@@MegaVirus700 probably
Why is this so funny to think about. Just narancia standing there and then he just fucking levitates and dies
Omfg "final destinationed" 😂
I GET IT NOW, He knows what he would do throught fate and then cuts himself out of those fated moments so things happen without his interaction. This is so cool and deep. Araki you beatiful bastard
yeah, it's like ripping out the pages of a book, it's not like things on the next page are gonna magically rearrange if you tear something out, it's all predetermined.
It's a very cool power for sure...but idk this is one of those things that seems too broken in my opinion. Dio's time stop was pretty OP too but King Crimson comparatively just takes that and goes to the damn moon.
@@d0minican0milan0 ger literally has Ctrl-z 💀 , and that's why we never get to see giorno ever again
This is why i love araki
@@d0minican0milan0 if you think that's ridiculously OP just wait until you meet Wonder of U
I mean its pretty simple when GER is present: It doesn't.
So... when GER is around, KC's timeskip causes a time stop?
@@samuelevans738 y e s
Maybe?
@@greenman784Basically if KC stops the time, GER cancels the action until KC comes back to the moment it stopped the time, without the time stopping (which is why GER was able to demolish KC before it activated its abillity).
Here you go mate.
@@sirrichard5418 .
I don't fucking understand anything am I braindead im gonna take an IQ test real quick
GER can basically move you back to the moment you were gonna do it
However unlike diavolo making people unconsious, GER doesn’t affect there consciousness at all, and since that’s happening to the outside viewer it just looks like they are being reversed over an over again
Easy, King Crimson erases the time when a JoJo fan reads important details in the manga, making them forget the knowledge they just read.
Lmfao yesssss
Yes
What kind of enemy are we dealing with
that loterally summed up the whole thing. No wonder i couldn't understand Anasui ezplaining kenzo's stand ability
Correct
Once a friend of mine described it as “time stop but time keeps moving” and I hate how accurate it is
@r_spyder Eh It’s kinda close, a better way of saying it probably would be time continues but Diavolo diverges from it and and everyone forgets what happened while his divergence took place. He literally avoids fate which is way I never quite thought of it.
How much did all of those buzz saws cost?
@r_spyder
a bit, in the way that no one remembers what happens, and it’s the same as that except time keeps moving so everything happens as if it did during stopped time, except everyone can move but no one remembers it or has control over what they do
@r_spyder
I know how it works, but how it looks like it works is similar to time stop
@r_spyder
ok
"fate itself lifts the rock because the rock's fate is to be lifted"
that really is bizarre
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I see what you did there...
You should have bolded it like:
"fate itself lifts the rock because the rock's fate is to be lifted"
that really is *bizarre*
so where I don't fully get it I think what he means is. the rock was fated to be lifted. so even if the cause is removed doesn't mean the effect dispears. King Crimsons ability is even described this way. TO add a little more to this Idea. there's a movie called donie darko that deals with "the philosophy of time travel" and actual time travel. ther'es a scene where a character can see his projected path. he can see where he is going to go before he goes there. the problem is this scenes leads him into his parents bedroom where he discovers a gun. if he could not see fate how would have ended up seeing the gun? in this instance the CAUSE is his ability to see fate. the EFFECT is his finds his parents gun.
King crimson ability works in a similar way with one difference. It can free itself from fate. with the rock, trish, the made and rossoto. King crimson was fated to do all of these things. but because of his ability he can remove himself from the initial scene that causes the EFFECT. the effect still happens just without him . in donie darko despite the fact that the character in the movie can see fate. he is still controlled by it. and he can't change it. king crimson Can see fate and remove himself from it. even if he can't remove the effects.
So basically, the events that are fated to happen, WILL HAPPEN, King Crimson's main ability just allows Diavolo to remove himself from the fated events so he's not involved. Even if a situation happens because of him, if he skips it, he's not involved in the situation anymore but the situation still occurs because it's fated to happen and thus happened regardless. Diavolo isn't affecting things within the time skip, he's just moving away so he is not seen and the events destined to happen, happen. Diavolo can see what is going to happen within a short time span, use his time skip to position himself to a favorable position and remove himself from the destined situation that will still happen even in his absence. Makes sense to me, I think I was confused with the original explanation but this makes more sense. Narancia died because he was always going to die in that fashion, Diavolo just removed himself from the situation so no one realized his location but he only removed himself from the situation, everything else including Narancia's death still happened because it was always going to happen.
Exactly, and to strengthen your point some it’s all proven in The Rolling Stones arc.
Absolutely.
@@curatedbyit yeah mista breaking the stone, prolonging bucciarati's life but also sealing narancia's and abbachio's fate to die.
I think part of the misconception and lack of understanding comes from the constant meme of 'it ain't a main JoJo villain unless they fuck with time'.
Sure, The World and Killer Queen Bites The Dust do manipulate time, but King Crimson and Made in Heaven? Not exactly, or at least not just that. King Crimson can erase/skip time, and also manipulate fate. Made in Heaven doesn't simply 'fast-forward time'; it manipulates gravity to do so.
I understood everything... Except for one part. What's about constant "Blinding enemies with blood" thing? Diavolo several times in skipped time just spilled his blood from his own wound into, for example, Giorno's eyes. How? Is blood fated to get in their eyes and Diavolo just skips time, so they won't have time and reaction to avoid it? Or what? This still bugs me out.
(Also I ask you, because you seem to understand it better than me. Thanks in advance)
Diavolo: The Ultimate Part Skipper
That's why he suffered the worst fate.
Bruh
@@Alfenium Daaamn XDDDDDDD
A wild Natsuki appeared.
Nah, that would be some o' the fans.
Honestly the anime cleared up alot of misconceptions about his ability.
And if you still dont get it, your not paying attention.
Not really, it helps by showing to the people how it works while animated, but it doesn't merely "improve" the explanation, you don't even need the anime to get it.
At the start is a bit complicated to understand, like that extrange Bucciarati scene, but then you easy understand by only watching how he ises it.
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The 'it just works' meme originates from the manga but it should've died by now
My favorite description of KC is that it “removes the cause from the effect”, and the reason that GER counters it so perfectly is that GER removes the effect from the cause.
this implies that the two together cause literally nothing to happen, while GER on its own would enable actions like hitting a ball with a bat and it just. Not flying away due to the force of the bat
which i guess is a possibility... honestly the way it's presented, GER _looks_ like it reverses time, but maybe that's because it's undoing time erase
@@zoeyuroboros5739 it certainly kind of does look like it just reverses time since its actual ability pertains to making it so that whatever you did - whatever you resolved yourself to do - is simply undone. Meaning that, yea, it looked like it reversed time because it technically did since it undid KC's time skip.
@@zoeyuroboros5739 And that's exactly what's happening. In this moment, Diavolo is still dying, because GER cannot kill him permanently. In fact, it cannot kil him at all. GER simply removes the 'effect' from Diavlo's cycle, making him unable to make any real impact on the world since, logically, no matter how hard much you can lift; you will never be able to lift anything if you do not *attempt* to lift it. That is GER; the stopping of anything before it even happens; recursively.
Though, granted the implications RTZ has on fate, it's slightly dubious. It's superior to Diavolo's Time Erase, because it returns fate into, well, 'zero'. Zero is much, MUCH greater than infinity, allowing GER to reset even fate.
Of course, it cannot make fate stay at zero forever, though. If it was capable of doing that, it'd be a walking contradiction. After all, how do you turn something into zero while removing its effect, not cause? It cannot 'cause' if it does not result in something, and vice versa. If the ability was able to turn something, even infinity, into zero, permanently; that'd imply that it can result in something true while somehow making it permanent; aka the definition of cause.
Probably the most complex stands, GER is far harder to understand than KC
It’s simple. King crimson's ability is to
And that’s it.
Wait.... oh no
Please stop roleplaying in the reply section
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teleports behind you
Heh thats clever
this joke isnt funn- suddenly became a corpse
@@dankpotato8585 Who as- *Becomes a corpse as well*
I have found the bossu stand and identity now he’s afte.....
This is honestly the best full explanation I have seen, up until now I only understood the concept that he was exempt from fate rather than just "it erases that period of time" but with this video it makes sense now how his own actions can affect things during a time skip
Fans: "But Araki forgot-"
Hamon Beat: "HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON, OLD MAN?!"
I hate ppl who say that but most of these ppl are just memeing
@@strohimsack2528 ah yes the memes are delicious
@@mithmoonwalker Memes, the DNA of the soul
Is this Spongebob reference ???
I like to imagine Hamon Beat reacting to people saying Araki forgot the same way Fugo did when Narancia got a question wrong.
Jojo fan: But Araki forgot-
Hamon beat: *stabs with a fork* MEASLY LITTLE PUNK SHIT, YOU THINK YOU CAN MESS WITH ME!?! HOW MANY TIMES MUST I KEEP TEACHING YOU THIS LESSON!?! YOU DENSE CAGAKATZO!!!
The multiple examples certainly helped. He essentially can do things without actually having to do them since they are still fated to happen, and the not being able to interact with things is a byproduct of that. Explaining fate is also easier with the final arc of part four where Rohan still gets blown up even though he never encountered Bites the Dust because he was fated to blow up at that exact time, so fate just did it for Kira
That's a great point, never thought about how BTD and KC abilities are similar in a way that they both allow the user to manipulate the causality by letting an effect happen while the user is able to avoid having to cause it.
this is a better explanation than the video. do you mind if I copy and paste your comment, to other ppl that are confused?
@@lukyluk_py go for it
@@h4zrd-rs252 thank you
Oh man, that's a WONDERFUL example to help people wrap their minds around the concept. I never see anyone contesting the logic in that scene, even though it is the exact same kind of situation.
Think about how cool the cleaning lady scene would have looked from Diavolos perspective. He activates King Crimson; and walks out as the entire room cleans itself up in 10 seconds...
This! I was imagining that too lol. Poor rejected fate Diavolo did all the work.
He used king crimson to help him clean
I love that Doppio going from tiny teenage twink with a fringe to super yoked fishnet polka dot headed 40 year old and nobody blinks at that, but the concept of fate is more confusing apparently.
Exactly like how tf did happen
Ultimately people care about Stands fight, they're like puzzle games: they're entertaining but only as long as you understand the rules, this is why people want to understand them better.
Also just because people focus on one narrative destroying concept doesn't mean there aren't two or more :)
They say that he suffers of double personality syndrome but getting to the extreme where the other personality actually develops it's own physical characteristics, I might be wrong but I heard it has happened in real life or something, something about Germans being observed to have this kind of effect with this syndrome I guess
Doppio has a wig under that sweater, simple
@@RandomL0s3r so his muscles are a wig, got it.
Diavolo forgot to use Star Finger to kill Gold Experience Requiem lol
smh how could araki forget this
Why didn't Doppio use Death Note to kill Dio before Giorno was born? smh
Crimson Finger*
Why didn't gio just use golden experience finger smh
Yes yes
So King Crimson, which has A rank speed, is fated to completely clean up the hotel room in 10 seconds had it not been for his time skip ability. It’s quite amusing to think about the original fate, where that red bulky stand hurriedly picks up every documents and electronic device to throw them somewhere unseen, probably outside the window.
Ah yes, cause nothing like that happened before. Like could you imagine someone finding a road roller, lifting it up and crashing it on someone all in the span of a few seconds ? Crazy.
So King Crimson is like when your editing a video, you can cut out parts you don’t want but the rest of the video is still there, and Epitaph is like watching a part of the video before everyone else
this is actually the best way to describe thanks. It can also be described as: King crimson wipes 10 seconds of time from existence. You don’t remember what happened because what you thought in those 10 seconds was wiped out of existence. It also slows people down so you can dodge and go behind them to attack and then resume time.
So in shortcut Epitaph-Predicting Future?
@@karolkrawiecki5368 yea pretty much
Basically
Basically fate is what your meant to do its not something controling you it something you want todo and when you use epitaph you see that you will kill bucciarati but then you decided you didnt want to do the work since fate is fate , fate has decided to do the work this only work when you use time erase when your meant to die use time erase then fate cant catch you anymore if your inside fate cannot harm you but if you are gonna something outside fate will carry it and basically giorno denies fate ;-;
so hes basically able to remove himself from fated actions and 10 seconds of time when he uses his ability. Everything that was going to happen happens normally except diavalo is no longer apart of the equation.
Wait as well as removing himself from the equation he can change it as how he wants right
@@Milwaz34 no because he can’t control fate, he can see fate and avoid it though
It also makes it so you don't remember what happened during the erased time
@@germxxx no im talking about changing his fate since he sees it happen
@@Milwaz34 It's simple fate manipulation.
He can see what's gonna happen with the help of Epitaph then change his actions with the help of King Crimson.
Jotaro hat, it ends where his
That's how his hat works, thanks for coming to my ted talk.
and people would still get it despite not remembering what you said, because it was fated
Edgar Stumm unless GER nullifies it before it becomes reality
the real question is how he gets it to stay on his head all his life after defeating DIO
Araki said in an interview that was a part of his head. Probably art reasons.
He glued some of his hair onto the hat which is why you can't tell were it ends
This is easily the best explanation for the stand on youtube. Other videos try to hard to make jokes instead of just thoroughly explaining the ability that they just end up being more confusing than they should be. Thank you so much for this video
King crimson is basically: “Hello how are you today” to “hello- today”
"This is a test."
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"Wouldn't you agree, Jean Pierre Polnareff?"
@@m.s.5370 you like your own comment stfu kid
@@capybara9521 Prove it. I don't give a single fuck about likes on the internet. You really shouldn't just randomly throw around accusations when you know NOTHING about the other person. Makes you look like an idiot.
@@capybara9521 triggered much?
@@capybara9521 cringe as fuck
King Crimson fights in a nutshell:
*Was I chasing his after image the whole time?*
Is that an OPM reference!?!?!?!
@@thepancakedimension8390 is that a jojo reference?
“I erased time for everyone but me”
Erased time can be seen as a time that is erased for everyone but Diavolo, or a time period that only Diavolo exist in and will experience.
Of course since nothing else actually exist he can’t interact with anything and can kind of just float around without limit
One question I’ve always had is “Wouldn’t the other characters be fated to react to what Diavolo would’ve done during his time skip?” Especially during the elevator scene with Bucciarati and Trish holding hands. He would’ve definitely been fated to hear KC break the ceiling, see him cut off Trish’s arm, and chase him as she was being dragged away. However, he just stares off into space, not even looking at the hole KC came through (at least not immediately).
It’s honestly a fantastic question and a true araki forgot/poor writing. And for the examples where stretching is needed to explain KC, treating it like SP/TW (as you would with the reactions) completely answers the problem. This is just one of those very few instances of poor/inconsistent writing with araki.
You can definitely explain it with KC's incredible speed, his ability to determine the exact amount of time skipped AND that everyone forgets what happened during that time interval outside of Diavolo
For the Trish Scene, Diavolo would've only had to skip the moment where he enters the elevator and steals trish before Bruno opens a zipper down to keep up, once the Skip ends Bruno would been left dumb-founded with no memory of the event, and we actually see what might've been a result of that first skip in Trish's hand being left in his, Bruno might've held onto her in reaction to KC forcing Diavolo to cut off her hand so he can take her away (obviously just a theory since that scene is there to make Bruno shit himself mainly, but that's my interpretation)
For the Hotel Scene he just grabs everything and leaves, where once skipped time ends the Lady would've remembered nothing
For the Narancia scene, again all he had to do is skip the moment where he splits all the bars and a chucks narancia there, and again with how incredibly fast and powerful KC naturally is i don't doubt it being able to split the beams in one swipe and with one motion jam narancia there, with everyone focused on scouting for Diavolo i find it unlikely any of them would react fast enough to throw anything at Diavolo during the skipped time, once it ends again everyone is just standing there dumb-founded no idea what happened
I guess that can be explained with his power making everyone except him, experience memory loss of what happened in those 10 seconds.
During the time skip, anything goes
the characters react to what diavolo woudve done had he not used the skip/epitath abbility . Diavolo can basically escape the conseqences of his actions
Basically everyone needs to remember "Bites The Dust" arc. Hayato's face gets turned into a book while being many meters away from Rohan, because he relived the same morning aka it's his fate. The same applies to Rohan exploding while being away from Hayato and mini Killer Queen. Apply the same logic to Narancia, fortune teller etc. and you've got it.
bungeegum bruh, you forgot that that’s not fate doing it, that was still bites the dust. Rohan survived after bites the dust was removed, if it was fate still doing it, then it would’ve happened anyway
@@WinterGray8888 if you can't see the clear connection between btd and Araki's thought process regarding fate, idk what to tell you.
So... are you saying What will happen is What will happen???
Floor is made of floor??
@@WinterGray8888 BtD is literally fate manipulation. When Kira deactivates BtD to fight Josuke, fate progresses normally, which is Kira dying, instead of Kira's fate which is to kill the Duwang Gang.
If Kira kept BtD activated when Josuke & Okuyasu met him, the Duwang Gang would have died moments after Rohan did, however Kira wouldn't have risked it because Josuke can quite easily kill him and end BtD itself.
Didnt understand anything but kq was in rohans eye if thats not what thus was about f if so yay
The problem with jojo being so meme heavy is this, people see someone jokingly complain about something on a meme, and newbies think "thats right, cant believe they forgot about that!", if you see a meme about ANYTHING, dont take it as the truth and the only truth.
Yeah, I think the memes are what really cause this Araki forgot situation. People are going into the series not wanting to take it seriously since all they ever saw before hand was stuff like "Nothing can deflect Emerald Splash!" *Cue Dio deflecting it*. Going into the series solely because of the memes makes it seem like an absolute mess with no thought put into it. Characters say shit and it's immediately proven wrong so any established rules don't matter and any confusion is the manga/animes fault because it's a "dumb, nonsensical series about buff dudes with punchy ghosts and a lot of homoeroticism".
Omniscient Cámmaleon agree. Memes are cute and fun to see, but JoJo fans always turn them in real mistakes and ruin them
@@MysteriousTomJenkins Yeah, people forget (lol) that Kakyoin only ever said that line ONCE at the beginning of the series, and that's only the English dub's translation of the original line line. Originally, it's more of a generic line like, "Impossible! He deflected it...?!"
Same goes for people trying to call out Araki for introducing a mirror world with Illuso's Man in the Mirror in Part 5 when Kakyoin argued that such a world couldn't exist. Kakyoin wasn't necessarily wrong at the time because 1) he's not omniscient; how could he know about MitM? and 2) he was merely challenging Polnareff's assumption that Hanged Man belonged to a mirror world. And he was right - Hanged Man was a light-based Stand that could only be seen in reflective surfaces. J. Geil was just PRETENDING that it was impossible to attack his Stand in the mirror.
Naj Adamu Also the line isn’t even that nonsensical. No one can just deflect the emerald splash. Kakyion didn’t know he was fighting literally the most physically powerful stand. No other stand would be able to deflect that move with just their body
Naj Adamu And Kakyoin’s phrase about the mirror is not even completely wrong. The mirror world in part 5 is created by MitM, it’s the stand ability, it does not exist on its own. In fact disappears at the death of Illuso
As someone who just finished Part 5 of the anime and genuinely *did not* understand how King Crimson worked all the way through, this cleared it up very well, thanks.
For the Narancia death part, what happens after timeskip is instantaneous. There is no body slowly floating up. It’s as if you’re watching a video from 10:00-10:30 and it suddenly fast forwards 15 seconds. What would be left starts from 10:15.
With the addition of that beautiful timeskip effect of course.
Narancia does float up, that's the gravitational pull of fate. This is the case with a stand arrow, if someone is fated to use the arrow, it will move on its own. Also, he says it right here: 5:07
I just gotta say, this actually helped a lot of understanding king crimson. I knew how it worked, but not fully. So again, this was a big help and thanks.
I always thought that "he skips past time" was a good enough explanation for me. But whatever.
The part that always confused me and others I believe was him sometimes seeming able to affect things in skipped times, and others not.
Harmon Beat finally clears this up for me, by explaining that a “fated Diavalo” essentially splits off during skipped time and still does what he was going to do.
Scenes like the bullets shown phasing through him make this confusion worse. What is actually happening is the fated Diavalo is hit, but it doesn’t matter.
Well, Diavolo kinda switches between describing it as "skipping time" and "erasing time", which might be where part of the confusion comes from. People have a harder time wrapping their heads around the concept of "erasing time" than merely "skipping time". Plus, the whole "hitting his future self" scene isn't explained super-clearly.
@@najadamu2724 thats diavolo forcing epitaph's vision on bucciarati
@@richardstevenson371 the explanation for the ending of doppio vs risotto scene is simple. Diavolo can alter his fate AND other things' fate as long as that other thing's fate is related to his. If diavolo's fate was to get hit by a rock, he can alter his fate so he doesnt get hit by the rock either by repositioning or by phasing through it. Because the rock's fate was related to his, the rock's fate changed so it didnt hit diavolo. So even if the bullets' fate was to hit diavolo, because he used KING CRIMSON the bullets' fate changed.
@@richardstevenson371 I always thought he just made himself Ethereal so that the bullets passes through him? He says he deleted 0.5s of time so for those 0.5 seconds of time he doesn't exist and the bullets just hit Rissoto.
King Crimson has to be the most terrifying Stand to date. Perhaps it's not as powerful as The World's time stop but it is so confusing to people who are not aware of his abilities, that it can possibly be even more effective. I also love the presentation of King Crimson's ability. The scenes are always very creative and they have the best sound design in my opinion.
ik this is late, but king crimson is better than the world: assuming both parties know each other's abilities, diavolo can use epitaph to predict dio's time stop and use time erase to completely avoid his actions in time stop. dio can't do anything about it. time erase isn't better than time stop by itself since it's just a competition of who uses their ability first, but paired with epitaph, dio would've been beaten up
@@ultra_xd that's a great observation. The ability to predict the future is so powerful that even Dio's time stop could easily be countered. You're absolutely right. King Crimson abilities are so OP, Araki had to invent this Requiem stuff to buff Gold Experience. Otherwise Diavolo would be unbeatable.
Lemme tell u something . first off : time stop stops time in the entire universe and even light speed cant do shit , so only inf rotations or gravity manipulators such as c moon
Secondly : how time erase works is that it resets the memory of the 10 future seconds except the user himsel + he can predict using epitah BUT like people thinks , when diavolo time erases he IS NOT on an other dimesion
Thridly : if both abilities start at the same time . dio would get confused on how diavolo has knives and a donut on his chest as he would have unconciously donuted diavolo in his time stop .
Fourth : the amount of time in time stop and ' time erase ' doesnt matter as time erase just erases the future 10s memory while time stop stops the flow of time so even if he ts 1h it would still be 0s in real life .
To make it short . dio time stop ability gives him the power to enter the 4th dimension and only infinite type energies like inf rotation or black holes or gravity manipulators can move . as for king crimson . just imagine u studying then u read a text for 10s and u already forgot what u learned in that 10s . so this is what happens:
Dio : Za Warudoo !!!
Diavolo : kingu crimson !
-----1s later -----
Dio : wait how is he dead ? I dont remember attacking him or anything
@@ionix831 wrong: diavolo is completely intangible during time erase. so no, if diavolo time erased, dio's time stop would be useless: diavolo wouldnt have been impaled by knives or donutted. dio wouldnt have even noticed that diavolo wasnt impaled, since he moves out in a set path fate chose for him.
it really isnt that deep, you dont need to think about it in dimensions. dio stops time and is able to wreak havoc during that stopped time, while diavolo skips time while making himself invincible during that skipped time.
Out of all the jojo stereotypes the biggest one is that the fans cannot read text on paper
Same reason why they hate part 6.. part 6 is amazing imo
@@molecularnut6122 I can't deny some problems with part 6, but tbh it's still amazing and doesn't deserve the hate.
MolecularNut omg yes it’s my 3rd best part imo it’s so good
@@snoivernk1021 that some problem already explained if you read the part 6 m8
@@molecularnut6122 My problem is just the pacing not any araki forgots . What are you referring too?
Summary: King Crimson’s ability is to remove a cause from its affect.
and ger removes the effect from the cause right?
@@lewismartin3430 Yes, they're complete opposites
@@lewismartin3430 they're like two sides of the same coin
I’m still confused on king crimsons ability
@@Milwaz34 why
Knowing what fate does in jojo makes this stand make waaaaay more sense
"Confusion will be my Epitaph" - King Crimson (the prog-rock band, not the Stand)
Quite fitting
exactly. finally a King Crimson comment
A King Crimson comment, or a King CRIMSON comment?
I expected a simple answer like “It just works”, but I forgot there’s more to JoJo than just memes
yes king himself
King Crimson's ultimate abiltity- Super Fast Cleaning- Cleans an entire room in 10 seconds.
I can understand not understanding king crimson if you’ve just read the manga as there’s no objective sense of time and there were only poor translations for a long time. But if you still don’t understand after watching the anime then you need to pay more attention or rewatch
Indeed. The misunderstanding of King Crimson's ability came from the fact that all source we had back then were poorly translated manga scans.
But not understanding it after we got anime adaptation where David Production did amazing job showing King Crimson's ability in detail and when we were provided with official english subs - it became nothing more than prolonging the "It just works" meme.
I bet it will be the same for D4C arc in part 7 - now it seems pretty confusing for us, but knowing David Pro they will make it waaaay more clear and understandable than it is in manga.
Am still a little confused on how he spilled blood on giorno since he isn’t supposed to interact during the time skip
@@chat427 that's part of his body so he can do that
It’s because people are twitter while they watch anime
This is Diavolo's blood so it can move while the time skip
But once the blood on Giorno it's not anymore considered like a part of Diavolo so it can touch and stay on Giorno.
(By the way, Diavolo's surely couldn't touch this blood during the time skip after throw it)
So you're saying Diavolo can insult someone and then erase the action of himself insulting that person and so that person will just feel insulted without him seemingly having done anything?
Only if the prediction he views is him insulting that person
Some people just want the world to burn
Im not sure but bc they forgot the insult they probably wont do the Twitter
yes, holy crap YES
King crimson: *Incredibly powerful, nearly impossible to overcome without an equally powerful stand which is very rare in the series*
Gold experience after touching the arrow again: “hmm no”
The main reason as to why people "don't undertsand King Crimson" is that erasing time is difficult to portray in manga. Each panel is already portraying a frozen moment in time, so from the readers perspective, time is always skipping.
The secondary reason is that it is a meme. The people who asks "how does King Crimson work?" are memeing, usually not actually serious.
You'd be surprised how many ppl still don't understand or don't listen in this community
So what happens to his body in front of someone?
Unlike The World, is it skipping or stopping a certain action in time.
Such as I stand in front of you and active KS, 10sec walk behind you in those 10 seconds do you see me just standing there and then I'm behind you?
Or is the perception of time stopped viewing me, but forgotten while when I move in skipped time?
@@Cecil_Crow The video answers your questions.
@@highgrove8545 I must've missed it.
Could you explain it a bit accurately for me?
And what about seeing your future self? How does that work?
How did Buchiratti see his future self?
Well attack his future self?
Anthony Crowley
Think of a line that’s ten feet long, each of those feet are representative of one second. Time stop adds additional feet to the line, whereas time skip colors the line red and allows king crimson to change his actions in it. This line cannot be fundamentally moved. There are certain potential exceptions to this last rule, but it’s important to visualize this nonetheless.
I’m regards to time stop, which adds more line, time skip only slightly changes the line. Because they forget what happened in skipped time, it would appear like teleportation to a victim standing still. Because they forget what happens during skipped time, perception of time is entirely irrelevant.
Seeing what you’re doing in the future could have three possibilities. I’ve never seen the show or read the manga, but it could change reality entirely to reflect what someone seeing that would do or it could do nothing, and they would be a slave to their fate. Perhaps, however, showing one’s fate to themself could create a self-fulfilling prophecy, where not even diavolo himself has truly free will which would be revealed by way of his own ability. That last bit is slightly more philosophical, but important nonetheless.
You're quite a patient man, Hamon
That’s an understatement
@@scarletassassin523 you're absolutely right lmao.
Wait is this sarcasm or
He's also really good at explaining things. I actually enjoy KC so much more now.
And also a racist man
0:02 captions: “She’s up today I’m on the beat”
I always tell people to watch the Futurama episode, “Time Keeps on Slipping”. The way time skips there is exactly how it would work for King Crimson, and they do an A+ way of explaining it.
Problem with that explanation is, you don't have a character that's *immune* to the skips (at least, arguably, until later in the episode where the skips happen at random in small areas). Really, this video just helps explain the seeming inconsistency of how Diavolo can move things around while he's erasing the moment of time where he actually moves them.
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Why are people so confused by this stand? Thematically, the whole point of his stand is to reinforce the theme of lack of control, over your actions and over your fate.
Because the part about Fate throwing the rock is not shown from Diavolo's perspective, so you'll have to think harder about this than for other stands.
Can he attack people in stopped time or not?
Can other people take actions during stopped time or not?
How did he attack Trish and carry her off if he can't?
How did Narancia get the chocolate if they can't?
Why couldn't Bruno fight KC when he attacked Trish if they can?
Why couldn't
@@KieraQ0323 He can not. Here is how King Crimson works:
Epitah forsees a certain amount of time, that prediction is FATED to happen.
King Crimson activates a few seconds of Time Erasure, during Time Erasure, Diavolo and any extension of himself is ignored by fate, though the consequences of Diavolo's actions are not.
During Time Erasure, Diavolo is ethereal and physical attacks can not harm him, he can also not harm anyone else due to this. All Memories formed within Time Erasure are erased aside from Diavolo's own memories.
Here is an example by Hamon Beat, Epitah shows Diavolo throwing a rock, Diavolo activates KC and runs a meter away. What happens after Time Erasure is that the rock seemingly throws itself while diavolo teleports a meter away. "Fate" is throwing the rock in this instance.
Epitah foresaw Diavolo attacking and carrying Trish away, Diavolo activates KC and blows away the time before Bruno turns around. Fate itself carries Trish to Diavolo.
Narancia would always get the chocolate, he just lost the memories of getting it due to Time Erasure.
Perhaps Diavolo ordered bruno to not turn around in any circumstance, bruno would follow the order and that's when King Crimson would activate. After the skip, Bruno's memories of the event would be erased, so everything still happens as normal.
@@MisterEcks Giorno's fate is to get stepped on by cats
@@jadenkelly316 Thank you!
SHIZAMUZE, HAMONN BIIITTT is when you know it's gonna be a good day
Great days indeed
For a long time i thought joseph saying hamon beam
Too bad he’s racist lmao
Jorge Lazaro
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What?
@@obviouslykaleb7998 if you got Twitter just look up “Hamon Beat Racist”
Oddly enough, I think a good example to help understand how king crimson works is looking at bites the dust. It gets activated on rohan, who explodes, and time gets reset. Then, rohan still gets blown up at the same time even though he didnt look at bites the dust, because it was fated to happen no matter what. With king crimson for example, he presumably looked into epitaph and saw that he kills narancia. He then activates time skip and doesnt even have to do anything, and narancia will just magically get impaled on the spikes even though diavolo didnt do it, because it was fated to happen. 'During' the time skip, diavolo removes himself from the equation, but everyone and everything else continues along its set path.
Here's a situation nobody I asked could answer:
Let's say Diavolo stands in front of a camera to record himself. Just as he records the video, he skips time. He then does something like, idk he pulls a dab or smth. Then after time has skipped, the recording ends. If he were to watch that video of himself, would he still see himself dabbing? I asked a shit ton of people and nobody could give a proper answer
Thanks for the sleep killer before bed.
Considering the skipped time is an objective truth, I would say yes. Unless he moves away from the camera. That shit is way more confusing because his fate was changed, but the cameras fate ro record him was not.
No. Diavalo has a fated course of action like everyone else. This is separate from what he experiences when activating king crimson, where he can act outside of fate.
Only the things he was fated to do before skipping will remain. So if he was fated to dab in front of a camera before skipping time, the camera would still capture his image.
However, if he was fated not to dab, activates king crimson, and then dabs, the camera wouldn’t see it, lol.
The "Diavolo's Dab" Paradox.
Cameras are tricky, did he do anything with Epitah beforehand? What would even happen if there were cameras during time stop? Magnets work, is that because of the things on DIO's clothes being counted as an extension of him???
I'll admit, this explanation really makes sense to me. I always assumed Epitaph was just a side tool to make King Crimson's time skips easier, as it let Diavolo know when to activate them, but that didn't account for his ability to affect his surroundings while time was being erased. If this is how it works, Epitaph is *instrumental* in his being able to actually do anything with the time skips, since it basically locks things into a fated course that Diavolo would normally cause, then allowing him to skip over himself having to actually do them, but allowing them to still happen!
I haven't watched your video on how Fate works in JoJo, but I'll check it out after I'm done with Part 6. Thanks for this video in the meantime, explaining what was already one of my favorite stands that now is even more intricate and interesting to me! :D
Anybody: "How Does King Crimson Work?"
Me: Oh sh*t, here we .... again.
it is just impossible to explain in a short answer
@@balintpapp5429 The Hand but it only erases time instead of matter.
@@ShadowHawk24Real oi Josuke it's the same type of stand as za hando
wow, he really is overpowered. If he attacks someone in the future and damages them, he can just skip that and they will receive damage out of nowhere.
It is very overpowered and scary. In fact, Narancia is dead because of this: Diavolo sees a future where he kills Narancia, and skips time to hide his action of killing him
The question humanity has asked since the dawn of time.
I can just hear the anger in his voice
Instead of doing my homework for online school, here am I trying to understand how does this fricking
Stand work lol
Well there are 13 parts to King Crimson.
1. In the Court of the Crimson King
2. In the Wake of Poseidon
3. Lizard
4. Islands
5. Larks’ Tongues in Aspic
6. Starless and Bible Black
7. Red
8. Discipline
9. Beat
10. Three of a Perfect Pair
11. THRAK
12. The ConstruKction of Light
13. The Power to Believe
Hamon you are trying to kill a JoJo meme, however, fate has decided that no JoJo meme will ever die.
Basically if something is moving relative to the ground and Diavolo in erased time, it phases through Diavolo.
Also, no one except diavolo, king crimson and GER can remember anything in the 10 seconds.
There, done.
Who would win you vs diavolo
@@Milwaz34 me, beca
Ima make it sound even more simple
Diavalo becomes invincible ,invisible, and nobody can hear him which makes all attacks useless
@@Milwaz34 I think DIO would win this is how it would go
“ZA WARUDO” *donut*
“Ez EZ LOL YOUR BAD”
“Bruh ts”
@@b0r3deditzstuff31 diavolo would probably win
"im the best a god and evil for literally no reason"
"king crimson"
*dio fucking dies*
Thank you very much Hamon Beat, all though I mostly understand King Crimson before, there was some thing that wasn't clear, like the elevator scene with Trish, now it's all clear!
I believe a primary factor as to why people struggle with this ability (aside from reading comprehension) is the fact that the characters are not in believable positions after the time slip. Despite Trish being abducted from the elevator, Bucciarati remains in the position he would be in if nothing occurred. Surely the characters would still be fated to react to Diavolo’s actions within the timeskip, right? This applies to every other interaction with King Crimson, like the fortune teller and Narancia. The characters around the victim, or the victim themselves in the case of the fortune teller, would still have reacted to the situation during the timeskip. I think that’s the main hurdle people struggle to get over, since Araki is typically very consistent with the spatial aspects of abilities and how characters react to them.
Exactly
considering we do not see these specific fates happen we just have to assume somethings such as the events supposed to happen in the elevator happen so fast that bucciarati had no time to react and since he does not remember those events happening anyway the reaction he would have had is gone since there is no context to brew such a reaction. The other explination that could be how it works is that fate does not include a person's reaction to something diavolo did if he skipped time. Lets say diavolo was fated to steal an apple from a fruit seller, he skips time for the whole scene. The seller would have been fated to react to diavolo stealing the apple because he had seen it happen, but because time is skipped he does not remember diavolo ever doing such a thing and as such never catalyzes a reaction from the seller. Besides that diavolo is essentially non-existant during this time frame and even if the reactions were to happen anyway they would not see diavolo because he cannot physically interact with anything and I mean ANYTHING including light so he would be invisible. Of course this doesnt exclude the possibility he cant breathe either but since its 10 seconds does it even really matter?
@@fancymustache3793 So Buccellati had no time to react to the boss breaking the roof of the elevator, jumping in, cutting off Trish's hand, taking Trish in his arms and jumping out of the elevator through the hole in the roof? What an interesting fate
@@nothingwrong2293 Im not sure how fast King Crimson is as a stand (considering the stand stats are based on the ability and not the stand itself) but I think the way it works is by removing him from the process that is removing trish from the elevator it removes any sort of reactions somebody would have to king crimson because well he wasnt actually there. The only times we see him use time skip is when somebody is already reacting to him and is doing something. If they didnt see him before the time skip how would they react during the skipped time if he is removed from it anyway? theres nothing to react to not to mention all memories are erased during it so perhaps besides that nobody remembers anything while its happening either such as not remembering sonebody just got stolen from you unt AFTER the skip is over
@@fancymustache3793 the stand erased his actions+their consequences from the time that was skipped only, not the consequences after it ends. Bucciarati would have seen Diavolo do everything, but seeing how the end result was him walking out of the elevator with Trish with her arm cut off, that was the only thing that happened for real. Bucci doesn't remember it because it never happened. Trish being disarmed and carried out was fated to happen, but the means by which were erased.
This was the most clear and concise explanation I've ever heard. Damn dude you are good.
Can't believe you spent 11 minutes to say it just works.
Hamon beat's voice is the most passive aggressive thing I've ever heard. I love it!
The first time I was watching Part 3 and DIO used the dirty trick on Polnareff, i was like "WTF JUST HAPPENED" then i understand how the stand works and i laugh every single day, so simple and so stupid at the same time
Thanks a lot for this video honestly. I wasn't one of those who said that KC made no sense and that Part 5 was invalid or whatever, but I will admit, with my understanding of it, I wasn't completely sure how to explain certain scenes either. This video really helped to explain everything to me though, and going through the different scenes was honestly really helpful. Thank you!
That goddamn stand always screws me during class
wait what
@@burgerman72. he forgets everything he learns in class
I've passed days in Discord server talking about that!
God Thank you, Hamon Beat
I noticed that for Narancia’s death, he pretty much levitated to open bars (since Diavolo would have done this if he didn’t skip time)
This means it still is inconsisten, because if Diavolo was fated to attack Thrish Bruno would have beem fated to react to him, not to just stand there holding Trish's hand.
Same thing with Narancia and the gang.
My exact thought. Dude thinks everyone else is an idiot but the very first time it is used it is inconsistent.
@@tipmon1995 "but the very first time it is used it is inconsistent." i agree but please still explain how its inconsistent.
Ah, I guess thanks to Dio people are too focused on the time manipulation aspect of King Crimson as opposed to how it interacts with fate, time, and reality together as a package.
For Sheer Heart Attack and Epitaph confusion comes form people not understanding the true purpose of the stands power
Kira wants a quiet life so Killer Queen gets rid of evidence
Diavolo wants to stay a secret and King Crimson helps him avoid conflicts
Thank you for this explanation.it is simple and perfect I think you have done it you finally explained king crimson in one sentence.
Thank you so much! The way that you state the powers, it actually makes perfect sense, and is entirely consistent. And actually much more clever and interesting than I once thought. Thank you again for this video!
This is in my top 3 favourite JoJo channels
As I believe xForts explained in the simplest fashion.
King Crimson removes the Cause but keeps the Effect.
You don't know how you got 10 steps ahead but you did.
Golden Experience Requiem erases the Effect back to the moment of the Cause.
You could've sworn you walked 10 steps ahead, but you didn't.
wow.... yeaaaaaahhh this is EASILY the best way I've ever heard this explained. I need to watch that now.
A bit more to it than that like but it gets the point
I love how happy you are about being right about the Wall Eyes
Basically diavolo double taps the screen on a youtube video for everyone around him while he does whatever he wants (without interacting) in the fast forwarded time
I have an amazing ability that activates whenever im playing an online game and something actually important starts to happen. I like to call it PING CRIMSON. When it activates my ping hits over 800 usually and I lose the ability to play the game
So if im to understand correctly:
Dio - pause button.
Kira - back skip button.
Diavolo - take out the DVD, take it to his computer, edit himself out of several frames then returns the DVD.
Dio boyfriend - fast-forward
President 4D - eject and put in a new DVD
💀💀 perfect
King Crimson's strangest power is to make you look like a black-haired Italian guy in a 3-piece suit, but only when you're hidden in the shadows
Explain King Crimson's ability in the most confusing way possible.
You have point A connected to point B, but Emperor Crimson deletes the line
On the way from point A to point B, you killed Narancha and took Trish from the elevator. You erased these actions, but the result remained, Narancia is dead, Trish is with you.
@@БруноМарс-с2р and also diavolo is the only one who can use king crimson to escape his fate
Everyone has 500000 ping for a few seconds
@Victor Crespo in his fight against risotto he used king crimson to dodge possesed aero smith's bullets the bullets flew through him into risotto so bullets just continue flying
I just realised that king crinsom's ability makes diavolo alone in a world only him can see, representing *my drinking problem karen please help me*
So, Buccirati's fate was to... stare at the elevator door and not notice Diavolo? Because that's the state he's in when the time skip occurs. His fate wasn't to give chase, it was apparently to just stand there holding Trish's hand without moving.
Basically, we have a 1-10 second time line, and say KC decides to erase the 4-6 second mark. So when we hit that 04 second mark, it jumps straight to the 7 second mark
In that 4-6 second portion of time, he can move freely, and do what he wants while he is the the erased time
There is one issue I have with this explanation. It implies that as Diavolo entered the elevator, cut off Trish's arm, and left, Bucciarati did nothing. Didn't even react. Just stood there in the same position he was in as he was riding the elevator with Trish.
Wouldn't epitaph have seen a whole series of events play out, with Bruno defending Trish from Diavolo as Diavolo attempts to sever her hand? He would at least change position a bit, right?
What about with Narancia being impaled on the bars? Nobody defended him? I know Diavolo can dodge fate by skipping time, but the others would still move around and react as if the boss had actually gone in and attacked Narancia, then forgotten about what happened afterward.
What I'm saying is, in the original series of events predicted by Epitaph, why do people not react to what is happening?
"What I'm saying is, in the original series of events predicted by Epitaph, why do people not react to what is happening?" because bad writing...i mean fate.
@@vgames9207 They probably did try to fight back, but didn't remember it since it was skipped.
@@SwordsandMushrooms then why weren't they in different stances, looking at the scenes already, stands already out for a fight, etc? It is an inconsistency
The thing is that KC doesn't appear in fated time for anyone except himself. They don't see him in the vision after the time skip, only the effects. Then they forget the events entirely once the skip ends.
@@steelseraph7413 The main confusion here is that people still assume KC is pressing the fast-forward button. He's not. He's literally deleting the time and the actions in it. It's the difference between speeding up a section of film, and totally cutting out that section of film. That's why he's so dangerous. If he was just fast-forwarding, you could try and pre-plan something that he couldn't deal with. But since he's deleting actions and only leaving consequences, you're just stuck with the crappy outcomes he jumped to.
If Trish still lost her arm during skip, wouldn't Buciaratti still react and attack during the skip because that's what he was destined to do when Diavolo would cut Trishis arm in and unaltered timeline?
Yes, but it would phase through Diavolo and King Crimson, because it takes place during a time skip.
@@m.s.5370 Diavolo and King Crimson wouldn't even be there, that was the point of the time skip
the time in which thatd happen doesnt exist anymore tho
the question is: How was Diavolo able to cut trish's arm and take her during a Time Erase when Diavolo or King Crimson isn't supposed to be able to interact with anything during a Time Erase.
@@aschneider8912 but the consequences of those actions should. Bucciarati at the end of the skip would probably be in a battle position or in an alert state at least.
I finally understand this ability, and how OP it is.
Ikr
It lets you make moves and counterattacks at basically no opportunity cost to yourself
It's literally baffling that people need a 10 minute video to explain how his stand works when he explains it within the first 5 minutes of his appearance
thank the people that don't listen/understand, not like he needs it himself if he's explaining it.
I've understood the powers for a while, but if he can't make contact with anything, why don't he fall through the earth's crust.
@@Capin_KO the pocket dimension has floors
It's literally
within the first 5 minutes of his appearance
@@Capin_KO it's a jojo incoherence. In practice diavolo can choose what he wants to erase within the erased time, and what he does not erase he can touch
It’s easy to understand, he literally shows how it works
The biggest issue with the Naranchia scene is that it would be logically impossible as a fated outcome. Fate will happen because it is destined (or in other words, it is the original event and therefor can't be changed).
However, you will never convince me that King Crimson managed to bend the bars, lift up Naranchia, and forcibly impale him while everyone else watched. There's no way that event could happen, and therefor it could never be established as fate. I get it was done to shock the reader, but the hero should have just been dead on the floor or something (maybe with a rock nearby). Since it is entirely possible to get a cheap-shot in like that while everyone was distracted.
I think it makes perfect sense. Narancia’s fate was to be in impaled by the bars by King Crimson, so this outcome would always happen regardless if King Crimson used time erase or not. If he didn’t erase time, Naracia, would still be killed regardless, but everyone, or at least someone, would have seen this taken place, then know which body Diavolo was hiding inside. Because King Crimson erased the time, no one remembered that period of time, so they don’t remember seeing Narancia being lifted into the air and killed on the bars. Like Hamon Beat said, if King Crimson is fated to throw a rock and erased time, does the rock still fly forward? Yes, because the rocks fate is destined to happen, and nothing can change that. The same idea applies to Narancia’s death. No, King Crimson himself didn’t move Narancia in erased time, that’s impossible because he can’t interact with people or objects in erased time. Instead, fate moved Narancia and impaled him.
@@drewsattre3538 yeah the importance of Epitaph cannot be stressed enough. He saw in Epitaph that he was fated to impale Narancia, so instead of letting himself be seen doing so, he skipped so that no one would see him doing it and it would seem spontaneous. Without Epitaph every skip would be a complete guess as to what fate would do
@@samquikSo what youre saying is that if King Crimson, for whatever reason, decided not to time skip, he could have impaled Narancia while everyone else was there? He would have walked up to all of them, grabbed Narancia and slammed him into those poles?
The original commenter is still right then. "Fate" can make it so that anyone can do anything, even if it is *logically impossible* .
Yeah honestly King Crimsons ability is just bad writing. Essentially, if Diavolo didnt use time skip, anything that he saw in epitaph would happen (like you described).
So basically diavolo goes "I want to do that", but cuz its fate, i dont actually have to so i can just run away
I am still quite iffy about King Crimson’s abilities, even if now I understand how they work.
For example elevator scene. I get it, that it was Trish’s fate to be taken by Diavolo, so it’s understandable why it’s happened without Diavolo exposing himself. But this circumstances will work only if Bruno’s fate was standing there and do nothing, while Trish’s arm being severed and she being taken. And this is quite hard to believe, especially if first prediction of fate included Diavolo exposing himself (which is speculation, yeah, but I think it would be cleared up if it wasn’t the case).
Why Bruno fated to do absolutely nothing in these 10 seconds if things, that Diavolo did in prediction, still happens, even if he excludes himself from it?
Nobody remembers skipped time so of course reactions would immediately vanish because they had no event to catalyze a reaction to said events. Besides that diavolo could simply have not done anything to bruno in that fated moment and given when time is skipped diavolo is completely intangible and cannot interact with anything including light nobody would have seen him even if they remembered the time being skipped. To explain how he can still see and move around its more of a representation of epitath, since he can see the future if he skips time he knows what happens and knows where to move even if he cant see anything. So to make this easier on the viewer to know whats going on they do some representation by removing the environment and leaving the essential details still in the 10 seconds that are being skipped.
@@fancymustache3793 but Bruno would still at least do something during those skipped time (naturally), instead of just... Standing still.
@@kiattim2100 not if he was being snuck up on. He didn’t know or technically see Diavolo, even if he did see Diavolo in the skipped time he wouldn’t be able to react or know bc it’d be skipped over and he’d forget seeing it.
Yeah I agree with your point, had the same thought. During skipped time Bruno would atleast try to chase after Diavolo. I believe that it’s written this way to demonstrate the terror of King Crimson, and to make it seem invincible, it is the first appearance of the stand afterall.
When diavolo erases time ; his actions remain but his consequences don't. Is as if fate played the same way, only without diavolo. If diavolos stand worked the way you described it, he'd simply skip to a point where he's massively injured and already midway into a stand battle.
The "Trish was fated to have her hand cut" explanation sounds good until you realise a glaring flaw. Trish wasn't the only one in the elevator and Narancia wasn't alone when he died, he was surrounded by his friends and Trish was with Bruno. If its fate for Narancia to die in that way or Trish to have her hand cut, wouldn't it also be fate for Bruno to react to Diavolo attacking Trish even if he's not concious? From Bruno's perspective, he should go from holding Trish's hand to trying to attack. The gang should also have reacted to Diavolo killing Narancia and would not have done so little movement that they didn't notice time skipped asap. Its like saying "If Diavolo was fated to throw the rock at Bruno and he skips time, Bruno wouldn't react to the rock because he wasn't concious." which is exactly the same as saying Bruno is immune to fate which we already know isn't true.
i don't know, MAAAYBE, because all of them were distraced im both scenes and King crimson it's an insanely fast stand?.
In every scenario King Crimson waited until they were distracted. King Crimson used Epitaph to see when Bruno would be most distracted, sliced open the elevator wall and Trish's hand (she was unconscious, so silenced) and escaped down the elevator shaft before Bruno noticed. King Crimson simply used Time Skip to then remove themselves from those events up until exiting the bottom of the elevator shaft several seconds later. During Narancia's death everyone was very focused in the opposite direction as well.