It's not full immunity. It's called qualified immunity. She isn't free from prosecution if evidence points that way, she is free from her testimony being used against her
@@andref9663 witness didn’t say that. He said he saw Tory holding the gun. GSR is the most accurate way to tell who fired a weapon. Thats why prosecution could only convict him of having a gun in his possession. The witness also said that he saw the girls fighting.
No it's not.. Tory wasn't convicted for shooting her, because they know he didn't.. he was convicted of assualt with a semiautomatic handgun, loaded and unregistered gun in a vechile and gross negilgence.. It's the 10 years everyone is tripping over, because he was trying to wrestle the gun away from Kelsey and the gun went off.
Joe is correct on this one! Meg lied to Gail, Kelsey, and on the stand. Ask the dude she was in a relationship with at the time because she lied to him as well.
He was probably wasted an doesn’t really know what happened. I don’t think he did it and If he did I think it was an accident. I think he was wasted an doesn’t really know hence why he called Kelsey from jail the next morning apologizing. He woke up in jail was told why he was there an his first reaction was to apologize. But after thinking about things an getting out a talking to Kelsey an the driver he probably put pieces together.
@@aarondouglas9761so what that’s the problem with our culture we live by this stupid no snitching sh!t. Then everyone crying that he locked up can’t have it both ways!! He had an easy way to not be in jail right now and he playing by some rules that don’t exist
I stand with Joe on this one . Kelsey needing immunity for something she supposedly didn’t do is a red flag . Then getting on the stand and not remembering anything she said on record is crazy . Then the neighbor changes their story after meeting with the DA. Should’ve been a mistrial at least
@@dreamkitty thank you! It’s clear that Kelsey took the money and didn’t want to get caught up lying. If this was some elaborate plan that her and Meg had then why did she undermine Meg on the stand? These people are abusers themselves and apologists
@@dreamkitty That IG comment was taken out of context and was posted by someone else on Tory’s team. When they brought it up as evidence in trial they had to throw it out due to it being confirmed that Tory’s assistant said it and not Tory.
Ya but what’s important to note is Kelsey pulled the gun. Tory wasn’t the one in a fist fight in the middle of the street. His intentions was to deescalate. He wasn’t the one doing anything illegal
Why would Tory and the friend be fighting over a gun that Kelsey pulled out? And another question would be if Tory and his friend was fighting over the gun how did Kelsey end up with gun residue on her?
I didn’t see the driver’s statement but did the driver include why he is just coming forth with this statement one year later + after have been missing during the trial of his boss. I mean, not being present to defend an innocent man who was feeding your family ? Idk I still don’t get it
@kle9268 Go read it before making that statement, and it was explained why he didn't testify. He came to one of the final days of trial ready to testify, but the prosecution needed another 2 weeks for prep, and they decided with all the lies and reasonable doubt they didn't need it. Obviously, a lot of airheads in Cali decided otherwise.
It cracks me up how women sit in front of their tv’s watching other women violently fight over the most minuscule things on Zeus Network every week yet y’all can’t fathom that Megan and Kelsey were fighting in the middle of the street that night. All these mental gymnastics just to deflect and say Tory must have had a fragile ego and done something foolish 😂
Why would Tory take a 10 year bid and allow Kelsey to walk away with no jail time at all ? Why didn't he accept the 2 year plea bargain? He would be out by now.
Exactly my POINT. Kelsey had more of a reason to shoot Meg. Her and Meg both had a FIGHT and Meg is HUGE. Kelsey got mollywhopped and went to grab HER OWN gun. Tory tried to wrestler it off from her and gun went off. Why is this hard to grasp? So you mean to tell me Tory shoots Meg because kelsey lost the fight? Lol Nooooooo. Use common sense, the dude apologized for him causing the whole incident by smashing them both. Some Of yall some slowpokes. Smh 🤦🏾♂️
Bruh! This is spot on I didn't even post lol. Megan definitely had Kelsey's face wiping the floor mats b4 that SUV pulled over. You gotta be either a Simp or complete moron to not see how Kelsey got charged up and belligerent after that ass wooping and how Tory, a dude with regular 'ninja thoughts' would react 😂🤦🏽♂️
Let’s clear some things up: 1. Tory’s defense team DID try to call the driver to stand, the DA objected because they were not ready to cross him and wanted to delay the trial 2. The driver testimony would have made a huge difference as it provides context to Shawn Kelly’s chaotic testimony, proves Meg’s “dance b dance” story is false, and proves Kelsey had motive and intent
@@chattybtv they did agree to delay it a few days, but prosectors wanted weeks until after the holidays, would have resulted in a mistrial and they thought they had enough reasonable doubt to not have to do the whole trial over again
1. I’ve never seen or heard of someone accidentally shooting five rounds at someone. 2. Who goes to jail for someone else’s crime and immediately calls the actual criminal to apologize for something he said he didn’t do? 3. During that phone call, Tory says, “I would’ve never done that if I wasn’t drunk… She’s probably never going to talk to me again.” Such statements are more indicative of a serious situation like a shooting, not a sex-related incident. 4. It’s important to consider Tory’s violent past. He physically assaulted August for a minor slight, so it’s plausible that his drunken state could have intensified his reaction if he felt disrespected. 5. Kelsey’s initial statement matched both Megan’s account and witness accounts from neighbors, even though she and Megan were no longer on speaking terms. If her statement were false, it’s likely she would have claimed she didn’t see who shot her from the beginning. 6. Kelsey clearly accepted money from Tory, which led to 1501 settling the case against Megan. Megan’s attorney requested to see text exchanges between the label and Kelsey, raising questions about why Tory would offer or pay money if he hadn’t done anything. Additionally, Tory made an Instagram comment early on claiming that Kelsey didn’t do it. 7. Tory didn’t testify because his lawyers believed it wouldn’t be in his best interest. If he were truly innocent, why would his lawyers advise against him testifying, especially with the risk of a 10 to 20-year sentence? The only logical explanation is that his lawyers feared he would be caught in too many lies, which could eliminate reasonable doubt in the jury's mind. 8. The main issue with bloggers and podcasters covering this case is their focus on whether Megan lied about an alleged affair, rather than addressing the fact that she was shot five times.
@@Cee-et1vj fuck lying about an affair Megan lied about fighting Kelsey. Her story does not match with either of the sober witnesses or Kelsey’s for that matter. There is no physical evidence linking Tory to the shooting. We found out Dance Bitch was a lie which was their main tie to the intent. What did Kelsey need immunity for? And to plead the fifth? It’s crazy for this to wash out how yall say Tory has to be evil enough to shoot a woman for no reason AND stupid enough to confess to doing so on a call he was told was recorded. Addressing a man about yall issues should not suggest you would pull out and bust at a woman.
@@Cee-et1vj what proof do you have that Kelsey was paid off? That’s one of the questions she answered straight up instead of claiming to forget or pleading the fifth. And there was no evidence presented to suggest this. People can address that Megan was hurt AND that she lied. And it wasn’t just lying about fucking Tory. Which is still bad enough, it ain’t like shawty thought she was being interviewed by Wendy Williams. She knew Gayle wasn’t asking about her fucking Tory for the sake of having the tea. But she lied with a man’s life on the line because she was concerned about her image. No way she would do that more than once tho right?
What disgusts me most about the Tory and Megan case is she could have just told the truth and said Kelsey pulled the gun after they were in a physical altercation and that Tory was trying to disarm her Tory had zero motive or intent to harm her. Yet she told police he viscously shot her with intent while telling her to dance. She has no soul, never underestimate how low a scorn woman can go to hurt you
@@JimmyCooks969 he didn’t have a gag order when he blamed rock nation on live then lie and say Meg was not sh0t. he also didn’t have one when dropped his project profiting off the situation. You’re crying about motive as if it takes much to set Tory off. He literally fought August alsina for not dapping him up, he assaulted prince in a club, he jumped Dax bc he dropped a diss song about him.
@@chattybtvanyone who has been in a lawsuit before knows you aren’t supposed to say anything that could be used against you in a case. That’s what the lawyers job is for.
Joe called it in the beginning and said her friend did it. She cried on IG and lied on the stand on tory. Why didn't the driver testify on the day of the trial
What you see is a smart man, who knows he doesn't want to go up against Roc Nation’s version of events, that the media has decided to push regardless of the facts. He knows how stupid he sounds, that's why he was so quiet after he made a fool of himself.
@@ir1778 He said it’s more likely Tory would shoot her than he would not. Then he comparing Tory to niggas that have nothing to lose. He was just pandering to Meg
Marc is a lawyer I believe and if isn’t a lawyer went to law school. He’s an extremely accomplished and well heeled member of the national media - he’s no dummy by any means. As a liberal and in the spirit of the side of media he plays on - HE HAS TO TAKE MEGAN’s side. He’s like Mal with his OVO chain tucked in. He’s probably linked to ROC Nation or even just friendly with too many women colleagues that would side with Megan. His beliefs are just general agreed upon orthodoxies to keep his benefactors and relationships happy. He’s just saying stuff to “other side” this argument in the spirit of debate. I don’t think he has strong convictions about this case either way.
@@markesgrantthe issue for me is people are too fine with the narrative being consistent with dance bitch dance being a lie. For Kelsey being the one who pulled and fired the gun. Like if he went to jail on a technicality it’s still not okay because it got to this point based on a lie.
Usually he gets a lot of points right, but on here on this topic of meg getting shot in her foot, he's wrong. When there's conflicting testimony of what really happened then this whole trial should have led to a dismissal and thrown out. Girls that was fucking with Tory turned on him real quick and lied on him, that's foul.
i can’t believe y’all are still spreading this misinformation. Being trans is ILLEGAL where she is from so how can she represent the country in the olympics by being trans???
Shawn Kelly originally said he saw the woman grab the gun and saw something spark near her. After he met the prosecutor, now the little man had the weapon in his hand smh.
For kelsey he said he saw a spark near her. For tory he said he saw him shoot the gun in megs direction. The fact tory stans constantly lie about basic facts in thar case is very telling.
@morenitomoreno1282 ok, let's talk about the facts then. Before he got on the stand, he told the cops he saw the woman go to the car and grab something that looked like a gun, and he saw a spark between the two women. He never said anything about the little man (Tory) having or shooting a gun until he went on the stand. Remember, Kelly was the Defendant's star witness. Why would they put him on the stand if he was going to say that Tory had the weapon in his hand?
@@morenitomoreno1282what does that spark near her mean to you? What does it mean to you that they were fighting at all? For minutes. When Megs story goes she got out the car and Tory started shooting seconds later? What does it mean that Dance Bitch was only heard by Megan
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The amount of delusion one must have to deduce the Tory and Meg case simply down to it being a case “fragile male ego” is insane. Megan and Kelsey’s egos were the ones that were hurt for getting dubbed by Tory Why keep ignoring the FACT Megan and Kelsey were literally in fist fight? Why ignore that both witnesses saw the girls fight and Kelsey grab the gun first? Why ignore them both saying it looked like Tory was trying to wrestle the gun away? The amount of mental gymnastics Marc Lamont and Melyssa are doing is crazy
As a criminal justice major and I believer of evil beings in the music industry, that I know Joe is aware of. This is hilarious! Yall know what happened!
@@rudywilson9529i wanna know when he had time to sleep with kelsey when kelsey was in houston the whole time and it was known fact that meg and tory was going on vacations together and she was shaking her ass on quarantine radio every chance she got! Make it Make sense!
It's truly frightening to think about someone being capable of lying and causing an innocent person to be imprisoned. It's a deeply concerning and unsettling thought.
in this same episode Mel made a comment about the consequences that may come when your girl sees you texting another woman while she is next to you and what she may do in that moment (in regards to the johnathan majors situation) but couldn’t have a open mind about the possibilities with Kels/meg in this situation
Toccora revealed she was sleeping with Drake at the exact same time as Mel, and they were good friends. I believe once Mel knew and continued to sleep with Drake, it lead me to believe she is completely biased regarding certain topics
But from the way the story is framed, Tory had no hate in him, he was the person causing the heat. Why would he say “dance b” when he tagging both of them? Like where is his reasoning to want to shoot and say that?
I'm here after Meg lied about sleeping with Tory and Marc is a bozo on his stance on that entire situation. I hope Tory comes home and sues Roc Nation. And Meg needs to face some type of punishment as well. Sie her ssa also.
Joe hit the nail on the head at the end Tory had very little motive to shoot Meg. Meg was embarrassed she snaked her homegirl was getting passed around the rap scene on some groupie ish and it's easy to push a DV narrative on a short dude so she lied. Homegirl didn't want to go to jail so she kept quiet. Tory was solid and kept his mouth closed cause taking the stand against two women over a 5 year charge is not a good look. I really can't see that playing out any other way.
What’s most disgusting is how Megan lied and said Tory viscously shot her for no reason while telling her to “dance b dance”. That’s straight evil She could have just told the truth and said she was ima scuffle with her friend and Tory tried to disarm her after Kelsey pulled a gun and it went off. That’s what sick about this case, she just wanted to protect her image and profit off this while throwing Tory under the bus
Why is Kelsey so calm on the phone with someone who just beat her up and shot her best friend? Why she agree to help bail him out? Why she give him Megs location? Why hadnt she told police the viscous crime Tory just committed at that point? Why she ask for immunity? What’s sick is twisting the context of that jail call and pretending like it could only be for shooting Meg. He apologized like any man would and knew he instigated it by revealing he was sleeping with Megan to Kelsey behind her back
Kelsey was calm bc it’s not uncommon for victims to be calm w their abusers. She most likely agreed to bail him out and not cooperate w police bc from the jump they were trying to keep the story low profile as it was mentioned on the call. The better question is why did Tory say it wasn’t Kelsey that did it and that Meg was never sh0t?
@@chattybtv do victims also ask for immunity? Please come back to reality. No one “abused” anyone that night. Just two drunk girls fighting over a dude and one pulled a gun. Also that ig comment was made before anyone was ever charged with shooting Megan. He didn’t believe Kelsey should go to jail over such a foolish thing. She also didn’t try to shoot Megan, it was an accident in the end
@@MakaveliG17C no one accused of sh00ting someone would say the “actual” sh00ter is not the sh00ter. No one accused of sh00ting someone would lie and say the victim was never sh0t only to have his driver confirm she actually was sh0t.
@@chattybtvhe never said Meg wasn’t shot. He was detailing the narratives in the social media ether and why they were responding to events and news how they were, and from there how Meg responded to that. That’s from the IG live. The IG comment in question was addressed in court. The comment his page (not necessarily Tory himself) responded to was “everybody’s saying Kelsey shot her” to which Tory’s account said “that’s not true” because that was not a popular narrative in the slightest. Nobody was saying that at the time. He did says straightforward out his mouth that he didn’t do it tho more than once.
So if she got shot in the foot wheres the bullet scar ? When did she have the rehab for the shit foot ? The apology in jail doesnt mean he is apologizing for shooting her. Lol😂😂😂
@@MelissaStallionit’s not about Joe history. Of course you side with the woman. It’s like people can’t use critical thinking and come up with their own conclusion without someone feeling some type of way. It’s not about siding with an abuser it’s about looking at the evidence and determining an outcome. Take your personal biases out of it. . He didn’t shoot her , he didn’t even get charge with shooting her. Yet people still debating over it.
Mannn I been said Meg lied!! I never thought he shot her! He shot me and I got shot is 2 different thangs!! Who n they rite mind would thank a man who is sleeping with arguably the biggest female rapper n da world her bestfriend and a chance at Kylie Jenner less than 30 mins before all this happen.. all that turns into him shooting her plus saying “dance bitch” come on people u can not be that slow!! I ain’t saying she didn’t get shot but how does Tory become shooter when her bestfriend just found out she sleeping with em? Somebody who thanks Meg story is true please help me understand!!! And don’t forget she went live on tv and LIED!!!! But I’m waiting to hear it please
I think something more important to point out. Is the intro to “money over fallouts” by Tory lanez and the discourse that was going on surrounding this entire situation. From Ebro to Charlemagne to bun b and can’t forget OVO mal. Who were trying to make anybody who questioned the situation look or feel stupid. Not one hip hop or should I say major hip hop media source said “let’s wait to all the facts come out”. Now if the truth comes out that he didn’t shoot her I wonder would any of them apologise
Lemme help you. Their main arguments are “Tory said Kelsey didn’t shoot her on IG” “Why wouldn’t she just say Kelsey did it” “He admitted to it on the jail call” “Why didn’t he testify then?” “Sean Kelly said he saw him with the gun” “Kelsey sent a text saying Tory shot Meg” “Tory has a history of violence” That about covers it
If he would’ve testified that would’ve given the prosecution the green light to cross examine him and bring in past situations, divisive song lyrics, and his whole background as a way to paint his character as someone who would do it instead of someone who did so his legal team decided to go with that strategy cause they felt they already caught Meg in enough lies which they really did
@@FlipTheShmoney so basically his character is horrible and doesn’t have anything to stand on lol.. his defense ruined the case if he’s “ innocent “ on the same hand his defense won the case if he’s guilty.. he took lesser charges but still had to go to to jail.. he was better off taking the stand, if he’s “innocent”.. but clearly he’s not.
@@realamerican8069 no, the court system is just flawed and will use anything in your past or as I stated song lyrics to paint a narrative and whatever one’s character was when they were young doesn’t prove anything about who they are the day they stand trial and whether they didn’t or not because someone’s past isn’t evidence and the issue is yall keep saying he did it with no one ounce of solid evidence to stand on and that’s weird
The “dance bitch” comment was made by Daylyt on a TH-cam live 08/2020. That’s from my knowledge. Yes it may have been said by others but either way. She used what the internet said and not what factually happened. Kelsey made a diss record 3 months after the incident, following her fallout with Meg. Tory makes multiple albums less than a year later. He explains what happened through the songs and music videos and even predicted that one of the girls would sacrifice him for themselves. He then continued to reference the fight and that night throughout his music and music videos.
The other person that could have gone to jail if she was found to be the shooter? And then take into account how much the witness flip flopped on her story, refusing to testify at the end, and the fact that these two friends felt betrayed by a man they were both fucking? Whole don’t know what really happened.
Don’t forget the whole time she was able to go on platforms and speak, the judges said Tory couldn’t say nothing! That’s why he was putting out songs that may have hinted at what was going on
Why would Kelsey need immunity again for ? You have to commit some kind of crime to get immunity and if you have immunity why would you plead the fifth at trial…oh so you won’t perjure yourself
The gun was probably hers...but remember they pulled texts msgs from that night. Within minutes of the shooting, that Kelsey chick sent a text to the bodyguard saying Tory shot Meg.
Because she took money from Tory for her injuries he caused. His other attorney is provided a document stating they were working on a settlement. Why would he pay the shooter? Lol
From my understanding Tory paid for her lawyer. Also he previous lawyer told him it was not a good idea to say Kelsey shot Meg. She was cleared on both sides. It's only partial immunity for that.🤷🏾♀️
It’s clear what happened man meg and Kelsie were beefing about Tory fkn both Kelsie ups pole at meg someone probably made it go off in trying to take said weapon driver said he tried maybe Tory tried and got it then he is seen holding said weapon because he grabbed it away so now it looks bad and now we have a scene because the weapon went off Meg steps on glass and in trying to protect her friend which she will over Tory she just lies and said she got shot in the foot she didn’t and there were big players behind it as well who don’t like Tory so they said “let us drive this ship” and now he’s gone for 10 years
1. Tory apologized - why apologize for something you didnt do? 2. Defense declined to have the driver testify during the trial - incredibly stupid move.
Megan never got shot originally she said she got hit by glass…the glass window in the back was shot out and the shrapnel hit her feet idk why ppl are forgetting about the window being shot out
Tory never apologized for shooting Megan. Anyone saying he did just looking for a lazy way to twist context and justify that Tory shot Meg He apologized for revealing in the car to Kelsey that him and Meg were sleeping together behind her back. This caused the huge fight between Meg and Kelsey. Meg begged Tory not to tell her
If the driver testified it would have made a huge difference. He cleared up the neighbours testimony and put context to it. He also clearly states what actually lead up to the incident which Megan completely lied about and who had motive/intent. Anyone who thinks Tory is guilty is just lying to themselves like the dude in the red shirt
For tory dna not to be found in the clip alreadt lets us know who gun it was. At the end of the day what makes more sense to you is how you going to see this case
It’s not a lie, IF IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. If she chose not disclose who her sexual partner(s) were, that’s her business. She didn’t owe Gayle that. The trial became more about her sex life, than what happened to her.
Context matters though. Meg lying makes her look bad because her sleeping with Tory is what lead to the fight, the same fight that she also said didn't happen mind you.
In a case, such as this is definitely relevant. That’s why it was asked. It’s a basis for motive amongst other things. You’re out of your mind if you believe otherwise. Your relationship with someone stops being private when you accuse them of a crime.
Tory was trying to buy himself out his deal at universal which he had outsold and overperformed despite them trying to prevent him from blowing up. He came from Canada and was consistently on the radio and pivoted in between rap and R&B. There's no doubt he was set up
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At the end of the day you should be asking yourself, why did Kelsey feel like she needed to get immunity?
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It's not full immunity. It's called qualified immunity. She isn't free from prosecution if evidence points that way, she is free from her testimony being used against her
Thats the part alot people not noticing
I believe it's because that gun was her's
@@jboogie45213right. But you still need it for a reason. Why would that be the very first thing she asks for when taking the stand?
Kelsey’s gun. Gun residue on Kelsey’s hands. Kelsey got immunity. She did it.
Facts and Meg lying ass covered it up. Disgusting what they got away with Free Tory.
Witness says he did it
@@andref9663 witness didn’t say that. He said he saw Tory holding the gun. GSR is the most accurate way to tell who fired a weapon. Thats why prosecution could only convict him of having a gun in his possession.
The witness also said that he saw the girls fighting.
@@sdot7117why are you saying the prosecution wouldn’t prosecute the shooter.
If it was over him and the girls chose to serve him up over it, then I stand by their solidarity. Period.
THAT CASE IS TOO WEIRD
No it's not.. Tory wasn't convicted for shooting her, because they know he didn't.. he was convicted of assualt with a semiautomatic handgun, loaded and unregistered gun in a vechile and gross negilgence.. It's the 10 years everyone is tripping over, because he was trying to wrestle the gun away from Kelsey and the gun went off.
DNA WASNT EVEN ON THE GUN. CASE DISMISSED
How so?
way too inconsistent to reach a guilty verdict
Very weird. Meg was drunk she probably don’t even know who did it
Joe is correct on this one! Meg lied to Gail, Kelsey, and on the stand. Ask the dude she was in a relationship with at the time because she lied to him as well.
And Tory also lied
@@andref9663 Lmao! You play to much
@@andref9663facts he lied the whole time but ppl forget that for some reason
@@buddhafortune6166what did he lie about?
@@andref9663you tripping
If I was accused of shooting someone and I DIDN'T do it, there is no scenario where I'm not taking the stand to state that fact.
If he went up there and told on Kelsey everyone would be calling him a snitch
He was probably wasted an doesn’t really know what happened. I don’t think he did it and If he did I think it was an accident. I think he was wasted an doesn’t really know hence why he called Kelsey from jail the next morning apologizing. He woke up in jail was told why he was there an his first reaction was to apologize. But after thinking about things an getting out a talking to Kelsey an the driver he probably put pieces together.
He don’t wanna send his side pièce to jail hunbun ❤😂
@aarondouglas9761 so he chose his reputation over his child and family... makes sense.
@@aarondouglas9761so what that’s the problem with our culture we live by this stupid no snitching sh!t. Then everyone crying that he locked up can’t have it both ways!! He had an easy way to not be in jail right now and he playing by some rules that don’t exist
I stand with Joe on this one . Kelsey needing immunity for something she supposedly didn’t do is a red flag . Then getting on the stand and not remembering anything she said on record is crazy . Then the neighbor changes their story after meeting with the DA. Should’ve been a mistrial at least
Exactly
@@hyodent1569 tory said she didn’t do it. explain why he would say that.
Kelsey got off too easy being such a vital part of the incident
@@dreamkitty thank you! It’s clear that Kelsey took the money and didn’t want to get caught up lying. If this was some elaborate plan that her and Meg had then why did she undermine Meg on the stand? These people are abusers themselves and apologists
@@dreamkitty That IG comment was taken out of context and was posted by someone else on Tory’s team. When they brought it up as evidence in trial they had to throw it out due to it being confirmed that Tory’s assistant said it and not Tory.
I believe Tory and the friend was fighting over the gun and it went off . Then Meg and The friend stuck together and left Tory out to dry ..
Bingo.
Ya but what’s important to note is Kelsey pulled the gun. Tory wasn’t the one in a fist fight in the middle of the street. His intentions was to deescalate. He wasn’t the one doing anything illegal
I didn't know you were there. Interesting @@MakaveliG17C
Why would Tory and the friend be fighting over a gun that Kelsey pulled out? And another question would be if Tory and his friend was fighting over the gun how did Kelsey end up with gun residue on her?
@@JaiK64she saying Tory and Kelsey was fighting over the gun bc Kelsey pulled it out with the intentions of shooting Meg
The drivers account is what every real person thought happened.
@@UniqueTnes-p3y exactly
Do yall think it’s impossible that this driver has been on the internet and seen all these theories and chose it as his official statement ?
I didn’t see the driver’s statement but did the driver include why he is just coming forth with this statement one year later + after have been missing during the trial of his boss. I mean, not being present to defend an innocent man who was feeding your family ? Idk I still don’t get it
@kle9268 Go read it before making that statement, and it was explained why he didn't testify. He came to one of the final days of trial ready to testify, but the prosecution needed another 2 weeks for prep, and they decided with all the lies and reasonable doubt they didn't need it. Obviously, a lot of airheads in Cali decided otherwise.
@kle9268 No, because of what's already been explained, I'm sure he was hoping to testify before closing, and they didn't let him.
It cracks me up how women sit in front of their tv’s watching other women violently fight over the most minuscule things on Zeus Network every week yet y’all can’t fathom that Megan and Kelsey were fighting in the middle of the street that night. All these mental gymnastics just to deflect and say Tory must have had a fragile ego and done something foolish 😂
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Cuz all women think the same 🙄🤦♀️
Lmao good point
Why would Tory take a 10 year bid and allow Kelsey to walk away with no jail time at all ? Why didn't he accept the 2 year plea bargain? He would be out by now.
@@beautifulsurprise9424 your argument makes zero sense. Why would he take a plea deal for something he didn’t do?
Everyone knows the best friend did it, But snitch culture has him locked up
This is a FACT! Very poisonous culture!
You were there?
@@female115the driver was
Exactly my POINT. Kelsey had more of a reason to shoot Meg. Her and Meg both had a FIGHT and Meg is HUGE. Kelsey got mollywhopped and went to grab HER OWN gun. Tory tried to wrestler it off from her and gun went off. Why is this hard to grasp? So you mean to tell me Tory shoots Meg because kelsey lost the fight? Lol Nooooooo. Use common sense, the dude apologized for him causing the whole incident by smashing them both. Some Of yall some slowpokes. Smh 🤦🏾♂️
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I’ve seen so many people say them fighting and lying about it is irrelevant it’s spooky.
Literally
Pretty much.
Bruh! This is spot on I didn't even post lol. Megan definitely had Kelsey's face wiping the floor mats b4 that SUV pulled over.
You gotta be either a Simp or complete moron to not see how Kelsey got charged up and belligerent after that ass wooping and how Tory, a dude with regular 'ninja thoughts' would react 😂🤦🏽♂️
Someone in mainstream media that has the courage to have this take? I'm surprised.
He's not mainstream media and this is a tired take.
@@PrincipalSkinner3190ok a “big platform”
@@PrincipalSkinner3190this podcast is the number one hiphop podcast. Why would this not be considered as mainstream? Genuine question
@@topgundarien mainstream media is a publication that is consumed by the general public. This podcast is for a specific audience as most podcasts are
@@PrincipalSkinner3190facts... if you know about co-intel pro or controlled opposition then not surprising at all
Let’s clear some things up:
1. Tory’s defense team DID try to call the driver to stand, the DA objected because they were not ready to cross him and wanted to delay the trial
2. The driver testimony would have made a huge difference as it provides context to Shawn Kelly’s chaotic testimony, proves Meg’s “dance b dance” story is false, and proves Kelsey had motive and intent
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Ok so why didnt the defense want to delay if the testimony was so trivial?
@@chattybtv they did agree to delay it a few days, but prosectors wanted weeks until after the holidays, would have resulted in a mistrial and they thought they had enough reasonable doubt to not have to do the whole trial over again
@@MB-es9ft I mean a mistrial would have been better than him being found guilty.
Are you sure? Or do you want that to be the case😭
1. I’ve never seen or heard of someone accidentally shooting five rounds at someone.
2. Who goes to jail for someone else’s crime and immediately calls the actual criminal to apologize for something he said he didn’t do?
3. During that phone call, Tory says, “I would’ve never done that if I wasn’t drunk… She’s probably never going to talk to me again.” Such statements are more indicative of a serious situation like a shooting, not a sex-related incident.
4. It’s important to consider Tory’s violent past. He physically assaulted August for a minor slight, so it’s plausible that his drunken state could have intensified his reaction if he felt disrespected.
5. Kelsey’s initial statement matched both Megan’s account and witness accounts from neighbors, even though she and Megan were no longer on speaking terms. If her statement were false, it’s likely she would have claimed she didn’t see who shot her from the beginning.
6. Kelsey clearly accepted money from Tory, which led to 1501 settling the case against Megan. Megan’s attorney requested to see text exchanges between the label and Kelsey, raising questions about why Tory would offer or pay money if he hadn’t done anything. Additionally, Tory made an Instagram comment early on claiming that Kelsey didn’t do it.
7. Tory didn’t testify because his lawyers believed it wouldn’t be in his best interest. If he were truly innocent, why would his lawyers advise against him testifying, especially with the risk of a 10 to 20-year sentence? The only logical explanation is that his lawyers feared he would be caught in too many lies, which could eliminate reasonable doubt in the jury's mind.
8. The main issue with bloggers and podcasters covering this case is their focus on whether Megan lied about an alleged affair, rather than addressing the fact that she was shot five times.
@@Cee-et1vj fuck lying about an affair Megan lied about fighting Kelsey. Her story does not match with either of the sober witnesses or Kelsey’s for that matter. There is no physical evidence linking Tory to the shooting. We found out Dance Bitch was a lie which was their main tie to the intent. What did Kelsey need immunity for? And to plead the fifth?
It’s crazy for this to wash out how yall say Tory has to be evil enough to shoot a woman for no reason AND stupid enough to confess to doing so on a call he was told was recorded. Addressing a man about yall issues should not suggest you would pull out and bust at a woman.
@@Cee-et1vj what proof do you have that Kelsey was paid off? That’s one of the questions she answered straight up instead of claiming to forget or pleading the fifth. And there was no evidence presented to suggest this.
People can address that Megan was hurt AND that she lied. And it wasn’t just lying about fucking Tory. Which is still bad enough, it ain’t like shawty thought she was being interviewed by Wendy Williams. She knew Gayle wasn’t asking about her fucking Tory for the sake of having the tea. But she lied with a man’s life on the line because she was concerned about her image. No way she would do that more than once tho right?
Thank you!
@@wellDamnJamzshe didn’t lie. Yall just don’t like her so you’ll believe anything against her. Meanwhile lanez is a whole felon.
What if you are wrong. This is sad all way around...
What disgusts me most about the Tory and Megan case is she could have just told the truth and said Kelsey pulled the gun after they were in a physical altercation and that Tory was trying to disarm her
Tory had zero motive or intent to harm her. Yet she told police he viscously shot her with intent while telling her to dance. She has no soul, never underestimate how low a scorn woman can go to hurt you
Tory could’ve told the truth too
@@chattybtv He had a gag order and was falsely accused. He wasn’t supposed to say anything nor testify. It was his lawyers job to paint the picture
@@JimmyCooks969 he didn’t have a gag order when he blamed rock nation on live then lie and say Meg was not sh0t. he also didn’t have one when dropped his project profiting off the situation. You’re crying about motive as if it takes much to set Tory off. He literally fought August alsina for not dapping him up, he assaulted prince in a club, he jumped Dax bc he dropped a diss song about him.
@@chattybtvapproaching a man with issues does not tell me you will shoot a woman for no reason.
@@chattybtvanyone who has been in a lawsuit before knows you aren’t supposed to say anything that could be used against you in a case. That’s what the lawyers job is for.
Joe called it in the beginning and said her friend did it. She cried on IG and lied on the stand on tory. Why didn't the driver testify on the day of the trial
Then why not have the energy for the friend if the friend did it.
@@nicoleanderson8920cause stupidity tells us not to snitch even when you know the person who did it
@nicoleanderson8920 because megs lies are more important
Prosecution withheld his testimony, and the defense didn't fight them on it, which further substantiates Tory's claim of ineffectual counsel.
Tory and Megan cleared Kelsey of shooting Megan and thats a fact
The very last sentence Joe said killed meeee 😂😂😂😂. “That guy wants to go back “ 9:57
That’s real though 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Realest shit
He was tryna calm them down so they can go back in good vibes. Kylie wasnt lettin nobody in on bad vibes
Marc Lamont just displayed the American education system
Man That shit he said was irresponsible as fuck. He basically said Tory guilty because he looks like he’ll do it lol
@@KiddFreshJr must've missed that part
What you see is a smart man, who knows he doesn't want to go up against Roc Nation’s version of events, that the media has decided to push regardless of the facts. He knows how stupid he sounds, that's why he was so quiet after he made a fool of himself.
@@ir1778 He said it’s more likely Tory would shoot her than he would not. Then he comparing Tory to niggas that have nothing to lose. He was just pandering to Meg
Marc is a lawyer I believe and if isn’t a lawyer went to law school. He’s an extremely accomplished and well heeled member of the national media - he’s no dummy by any means. As a liberal and in the spirit of the side of media he plays on - HE HAS TO TAKE MEGAN’s side. He’s like Mal with his OVO chain tucked in. He’s probably linked to ROC Nation or even just friendly with too many women colleagues that would side with Megan. His beliefs are just general agreed upon orthodoxies to keep his benefactors and relationships happy. He’s just saying stuff to “other side” this argument in the spirit of debate. I don’t think he has strong convictions about this case either way.
9:59 That guy wants to go back!! 🤣🤣
I think it's forgotten that Tory didn't have the gun residue on his hands... it was Kelsey
That’s what I’ve been saying it’s like humans don’t listen especially the triggered females 😢
Dude in the red a simp
Facts
He a media talking head. He the same one who said men can get pregnant LOL.
@@Whereyoubelongg foh, you serious?
He definitely a simp I was thinking the same thing
I don't like his mannerisms lol
If Kelsey shot Meg Tory should have said it. He should have gotten on the stand. He didn’t, and that’s why he is sitting in jail.
He's sitting in Jail because someone LIED
He’s not in jail for shooting her though. He was charged with something else.
@@markesgrantthe issue for me is people are too fine with the narrative being consistent with dance bitch dance being a lie. For Kelsey being the one who pulled and fired the gun. Like if he went to jail on a technicality it’s still not okay because it got to this point based on a lie.
@@wellDamnJamz It's not a technicality. He was guilty of what he was charged of.
He also said Kelsey didn't shoot Meg.
Mark Lamont sHill is one of the most pandering people on network TV. How does he sleep at night on that bed of bullshit.
Facts 😂
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Right. He always sounds so foolish. He proves that having degrees doesn't always mean you're intelligent. It just means you can pass a few tests.
Usually he gets a lot of points right, but on here on this topic of meg getting shot in her foot, he's wrong. When there's conflicting testimony of what really happened then this whole trial should have led to a dismissal and thrown out. Girls that was fucking with Tory turned on him real quick and lied on him, that's foul.
Yeah I was telling my ppl that same thang!!
I don't understand why people are just now seeing something with this case. Smh people so clueless
Aint dude in the red shirt the dude that was trying to justify trans playing in women's sports? And severly lost that debate to Candace Owens?
Huhhhhh
@@cornelliouspollard273 she wasn’t trans. it’s been over a week and you’re still believing misinformation?
Obviously you cant read..... 2 different things
Yes it's him, he also got cooked by Patrice O'Neal
i can’t believe y’all are still spreading this misinformation. Being trans is ILLEGAL where she is from so how can she represent the country in the olympics by being trans???
Please dont start bringing marc hill on the show 🤦🏾♂️
Shawn Kelly originally said he saw the woman grab the gun and saw something spark near her. After he met the prosecutor, now the little man had the weapon in his hand smh.
I don’t see how people keep skipping over this.
yea i remember that . He was supposed to be the star witness which is why the defense felt they didn’t need the driver .
For kelsey he said he saw a spark near her. For tory he said he saw him shoot the gun in megs direction. The fact tory stans constantly lie about basic facts in thar case is very telling.
@morenitomoreno1282 ok, let's talk about the facts then. Before he got on the stand, he told the cops he saw the woman go to the car and grab something that looked like a gun, and he saw a spark between the two women. He never said anything about the little man (Tory) having or shooting a gun until he went on the stand. Remember, Kelly was the Defendant's star witness. Why would they put him on the stand if he was going to say that Tory had the weapon in his hand?
@@morenitomoreno1282what does that spark near her mean to you? What does it mean to you that they were fighting at all? For minutes. When Megs story goes she got out the car and Tory started shooting seconds later? What does it mean that Dance Bitch was only heard by Megan
This comment section finna be DISGUSTING.
I'm just mad cuz Joe knows for a fact he was set up but didn't wanna say anything back then now he wanna talk like come on
@@420marleygee2 joe dont know shit. He been talking out his ass since day one
THE LIES THAT PUT HIM IN PRISON IS MORE DISGUSTING.
@@DevelonAnthony-vr1bl Him being in possession of a firearm as a non-citizen on parole is what got him in jail. No matter who got shot.
@@DevelonAnthony-vr1bl never had a gun, no gun prints, yea ok buddy
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Tf is this?
The amount of delusion one must have to deduce the Tory and Meg case simply down to it being a case “fragile male ego” is insane. Megan and Kelsey’s egos were the ones that were hurt for getting dubbed by Tory
Why keep ignoring the FACT Megan and Kelsey were literally in fist fight? Why ignore that both witnesses saw the girls fight and Kelsey grab the gun first? Why ignore them both saying it looked like Tory was trying to wrestle the gun away? The amount of mental gymnastics Marc Lamont and Melyssa are doing is crazy
I’ve seen people say the fight literally doesn’t matter, and stand on it. That Dance Bitch being a lie just doesn’t matter
As a criminal justice major and I believer of evil beings in the music industry, that I know Joe is aware of. This is hilarious! Yall know what happened!
That phone call was apologizing for going to bed with both of them, why is the gun sealed and why couldn't they find out who owned the gun ?
Exactly. And why were multiple people's prints on the gun?
@@bobbyruffin6978 that doesn't make sense because Meg was the one getting cheated on why would he apologize to her
@@Gen-td3xthe was sleeping with kelsey first
@@rudywilson9529i wanna know when he had time to sleep with kelsey when kelsey was in houston the whole time and it was known fact that meg and tory was going on vacations together and she was shaking her ass on quarantine radio every chance she got! Make it
Make sense!
@@Gen-td3xt… because he cheated on her…
Marc Lamont is a certified cornball ever since he said that Dave Chappelle was lying when he said that "only a woman can have a baby"
Swear I can’t stand dude. Anything to push the extreme leftist agenda.
He’s a roc nation puppet
He said what 😮🤦🏾♂️ 10:16
@@nikivory6891 transmen can have kids too
he’s a hired feminist lgbt apologist
It's truly frightening to think about someone being capable of lying and causing an innocent person to be imprisoned. It's a deeply concerning and unsettling thought.
U holding a gun cuz u took it from someone doesn’t mean u go to jail
in this same episode Mel made a comment about the consequences that may come when your girl sees you texting another woman while she is next to you and what she may do in that moment (in regards to the johnathan majors situation) but couldn’t have a open mind about the possibilities with Kels/meg in this situation
She a old hag what you expect lol
She switches her position to always seem like women are victims and they are angels not capable of any wrong doing
Yeah she’s kinda weird
@@jamarranthony that's feminism for you 😅
Toccora revealed she was sleeping with Drake at the exact same time as Mel, and they were good friends. I believe once Mel knew and continued to sleep with Drake, it lead me to believe she is completely biased regarding certain topics
FREE TORY WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH
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But do you really??? Lmfaoooo, if YOU weren’t there, you know nothing!
But from the way the story is framed, Tory had no hate in him, he was the person causing the heat. Why would he say “dance b” when he tagging both of them? Like where is his reasoning to want to shoot and say that?
Of course Marc Lamont-Hill is gonna pander 😂😂
The smartest guy in the room accused of pandering smh
Yea he simping
And you simple clowns would think that.
@@marcomarin1196 The H0 lied on Gale show and Marc is still looking at her as a truthful Saint 😕
@@marcomarin1196 Book smarts do not always translate to street smarts lol
Joe is so mad he's not getting another Chixtape anytime soon 😂
Shit I’m mad too 😂 I’m still not tired of chinxtape but I want another
I'm here after Meg lied about sleeping with Tory and Marc is a bozo on his stance on that entire situation. I hope Tory comes home and sues Roc Nation. And Meg needs to face some type of punishment as well. Sie her ssa also.
Everybody with common sense , kno he didn’t do that shit
I've never been so aligned with Joe in my life
WORD!!!!
Conspiracy theorists are delusional. This is why ppl escape accountability.
conspiracy theories are the main weapons of the uneducated.
Is it a conspiracy when you don’t think the facts and the results add up?
I Stand with Tory lanez Free tory arrest meg
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Joe hit the nail on the head at the end Tory had very little motive to shoot Meg. Meg was embarrassed she snaked her homegirl was getting passed around the rap scene on some groupie ish and it's easy to push a DV narrative on a short dude so she lied. Homegirl didn't want to go to jail so she kept quiet. Tory was solid and kept his mouth closed cause taking the stand against two women over a 5 year charge is not a good look. I really can't see that playing out any other way.
The driver went MIA during the trial. He’s not under oath, why didn’t he say this during the trial.
It guess things were too hot at the time and he didn’t want to be involved but guilt been eating him up so now he feels he has to make something right
What’s most disgusting is how Megan lied and said Tory viscously shot her for no reason while telling her to “dance b dance”. That’s straight evil
She could have just told the truth and said she was ima scuffle with her friend and Tory tried to disarm her after Kelsey pulled a gun and it went off. That’s what sick about this case, she just wanted to protect her image and profit off this while throwing Tory under the bus
Why is Kelsey so calm on the phone with someone who just beat her up and shot her best friend? Why she agree to help bail him out? Why she give him Megs location? Why hadnt she told police the viscous crime Tory just committed at that point? Why she ask for immunity? What’s sick is twisting the context of that jail call and pretending like it could only be for shooting Meg. He apologized like any man would and knew he instigated it by revealing he was sleeping with Megan to Kelsey behind her back
Kelsey was calm bc it’s not uncommon for victims to be calm w their abusers. She most likely agreed to bail him out and not cooperate w police bc from the jump they were trying to keep the story low profile as it was mentioned on the call.
The better question is why did Tory say it wasn’t Kelsey that did it and that Meg was never sh0t?
@@chattybtv do victims also ask for immunity? Please come back to reality.
No one “abused” anyone that night. Just two drunk girls fighting over a dude and one pulled a gun.
Also that ig comment was made before anyone was ever charged with shooting Megan. He didn’t believe Kelsey should go to jail over such a foolish thing. She also didn’t try to shoot Megan, it was an accident in the end
@@MakaveliG17C ok so why did he lie and say Meg was never sh0t?
@@MakaveliG17C no one accused of sh00ting someone would say the “actual” sh00ter is not the sh00ter. No one accused of sh00ting someone would lie and say the victim was never sh0t only to have his driver confirm she actually was sh0t.
@@chattybtvhe never said Meg wasn’t shot. He was detailing the narratives in the social media ether and why they were responding to events and news how they were, and from there how Meg responded to that. That’s from the IG live. The IG comment in question was addressed in court. The comment his page (not necessarily Tory himself) responded to was “everybody’s saying Kelsey shot her” to which Tory’s account said “that’s not true” because that was not a popular narrative in the slightest. Nobody was saying that at the time.
He did says straightforward out his mouth that he didn’t do it tho more than once.
Kelsey asking for immunity is crazy.
"that guy wants to go back!!" is too funny 😭😭
I’m crying 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
let the apologies be louder than the accusations and disrespect
So if she got shot in the foot wheres the bullet scar ? When did she have the rehab for the shit foot ? The apology in jail doesnt mean he is apologizing for shooting her. Lol😂😂😂
Her music is extra raunchy, but she is ashamed for her real life behavior....
Exactly! Tory didn't shoot Megan he was trying to take the gun away from Kelsey!
tory said kelsey didnt do it lol
@BobbySteels__ so who did it bobby lol meg dna wasn’t on the gun
@BobbySteels__ so no answer 💀
I’m Joe on this one! Like they say “I’m with ya when you’re right”
Of course you'd side with a known abuser
@@MelissaStallionit’s not about Joe history. Of course you side with the woman. It’s like people can’t use critical thinking and come up with their own conclusion without someone feeling some type of way. It’s not about siding with an abuser it’s about looking at the evidence and determining an outcome. Take your personal biases out of it. . He didn’t shoot her , he didn’t even get charge with shooting her. Yet people still debating over it.
The phone recording says Tory guilty to me
Mannn I been said Meg lied!! I never thought he shot her! He shot me and I got shot is 2 different thangs!! Who n they rite mind would thank a man who is sleeping with arguably the biggest female rapper n da world her bestfriend and a chance at Kylie Jenner less than 30 mins before all this happen.. all that turns into him shooting her plus saying “dance bitch” come on people u can not be that slow!! I ain’t saying she didn’t get shot but how does Tory become shooter when her bestfriend just found out she sleeping with em? Somebody who thanks Meg story is true please help me understand!!! And don’t forget she went live on tv and LIED!!!! But I’m waiting to hear it please
I think something more important to point out. Is the intro to “money over fallouts” by Tory lanez and the discourse that was going on surrounding this entire situation. From Ebro to Charlemagne to bun b and can’t forget OVO mal. Who were trying to make anybody who questioned the situation look or feel stupid. Not one hip hop or should I say major hip hop media source said “let’s wait to all the facts come out”. Now if the truth comes out that he didn’t shoot her I wonder would any of them apologise
Lemme help you. Their main arguments are
“Tory said Kelsey didn’t shoot her on IG”
“Why wouldn’t she just say Kelsey did it”
“He admitted to it on the jail call”
“Why didn’t he testify then?”
“Sean Kelly said he saw him with the gun”
“Kelsey sent a text saying Tory shot Meg”
“Tory has a history of violence”
That about covers it
The sad part is if Tory didn’t do it then he stupid and he belongs where he is because he chose not to say anything and fight for himself.
Right! My point exactly!
If he would’ve testified that would’ve given the prosecution the green light to cross examine him and bring in past situations, divisive song lyrics, and his whole background as a way to paint his character as someone who would do it instead of someone who did so his legal team decided to go with that strategy cause they felt they already caught Meg in enough lies which they really did
@@FlipTheShmoney so basically his character is horrible and doesn’t have anything to stand on lol.. his defense ruined the case if he’s “ innocent “ on the same hand his defense won the case if he’s guilty.. he took lesser charges but still had to go to to jail.. he was better off taking the stand, if he’s “innocent”.. but clearly he’s not.
@@realamerican8069 no, the court system is just flawed and will use anything in your past or as I stated song lyrics to paint a narrative and whatever one’s character was when they were young doesn’t prove anything about who they are the day they stand trial and whether they didn’t or not because someone’s past isn’t evidence and the issue is yall keep saying he did it with no one ounce of solid evidence to stand on and that’s weird
If Tory was basically saving Meg or trying to prevent her from being shot then he shouldn’t have been charged in the same way.
Dude in red.. 🤦🏾♂️😂
mans a bozo
Picking and choosing the lies you believe is crazy and turning your back while 3 people are arguing and a gun is involved is even wilder
The “dance bitch” comment was made by Daylyt on a TH-cam live 08/2020. That’s from my knowledge. Yes it may have been said by others but either way. She used what the internet said and not what factually happened. Kelsey made a diss record 3 months after the incident, following her fallout with Meg.
Tory makes multiple albums less than a year later. He explains what happened through the songs and music videos and even predicted that one of the girls would sacrifice him for themselves. He then continued to reference the fight and that night throughout his music and music videos.
Lamont smells like an op.
Talks like one too
He was that way ever since BLM
Meg aka Amber Heard…PERIOD!!
Who was Tory that much of a threat too, that he had to be set up 🙄🙄
Thank you lol
The other person that could have gone to jail if she was found to be the shooter? And then take into account how much the witness flip flopped on her story, refusing to testify at the end, and the fact that these two friends felt betrayed by a man they were both fucking? Whole don’t know what really happened.
Yall both slow AF
Dude was more money than most artist independently and was spreading the information. ROC nation isn’t going for that
@@NoRest4TheWicked1factz
Marc Lamont Hill is a super goofy.
Don’t forget the whole time she was able to go on platforms and speak, the judges said Tory couldn’t say nothing! That’s why he was putting out songs that may have hinted at what was going on
This why I listen to Joe's podcast the brother has no dawg in the fight he just comes with common sense. 'Nigga I just wanna go back" LOL
You must not listen to the pod then if you think that.
Tory saved Meg from kelsey and Meg testified against him smh
Why would Kelsey need immunity again for ? You have to commit some kind of crime to get immunity and if you have immunity why would you plead the fifth at trial…oh so you won’t perjure yourself
The gun was probably hers...but remember they pulled texts msgs from that night. Within minutes of the shooting, that Kelsey chick sent a text to the bodyguard saying Tory shot Meg.
Because she took money from Tory for her injuries he caused. His other attorney is provided a document stating they were working on a settlement. Why would he pay the shooter? Lol
From my understanding Tory paid for her lawyer. Also he previous lawyer told him it was not a good idea to say Kelsey shot Meg. She was cleared on both sides. It's only partial immunity for that.🤷🏾♀️
It’s clear what happened man meg and Kelsie were beefing about Tory fkn both Kelsie ups pole at meg someone probably made it go off in trying to take said weapon driver said he tried maybe Tory tried and got it then he is seen holding said weapon because he grabbed it away so now it looks bad and now we have a scene because the weapon went off Meg steps on glass and in trying to protect her friend which she will over Tory she just lies and said she got shot in the foot she didn’t and there were big players behind it as well who don’t like Tory so they said “let us drive this ship” and now he’s gone for 10 years
Stuff like this makes you never want to get involved in other people mess, it never ends well for the mediator.
Dude in the red shirt is the same guy when ask what is a female he couldn't define it
What a clown he is 🤡
That dude is such a clown
One of the saddest injustices and losses to music as a whole
lmao😂
I didn’t know niggas love Tory this much
@@cesarcarbajal5733 I know, so ridiculous it's humorous.
He shouldn’t be in jail. Sounds like he saved their lives if that’s the account I’m hearing
If Tory hadn't pissed off Roc Nation he'd be a free man today
1. Tory apologized - why apologize for something you didnt do?
2. Defense declined to have the driver testify during the trial - incredibly stupid move.
What did he apologize about specifically? You're speculating
Crazy to think when the news first broke about Tory shooting Meg. Rory and Mal was still on the JBP… feel old now?
Tory did sound guilty af on that phone call
No he sounded apologetic because he felt responsible as a MAN for how everything went down.
Not because he shot her.
We know the truth. Free Tory
Megan never got shot originally she said she got hit by glass…the glass window in the back was shot out and the shrapnel hit her feet idk why ppl are forgetting about the window being shot out
It’s crazy cause we the people been put the story together.
Why is the guy in the red shirt on the show 🤔?
Tory never apologized for shooting Megan. Anyone saying he did just looking for a lazy way to twist context and justify that Tory shot Meg
He apologized for revealing in the car to Kelsey that him and Meg were sleeping together behind her back. This caused the huge fight between Meg and Kelsey. Meg begged Tory not to tell her
If the driver testified it would have made a huge difference. He cleared up the neighbours testimony and put context to it. He also clearly states what actually lead up to the incident which Megan completely lied about and who had motive/intent. Anyone who thinks Tory is guilty is just lying to themselves like the dude in the red shirt
YOOO RED SHIRT GETTN ME TIGHT😂😂😂😂😂
I’m fully with Joe on this one! 💯💯💯💯💯
For tory dna not to be found in the clip alreadt lets us know who gun it was. At the end of the day what makes more sense to you is how you going to see this case
Joe. Leave the Meg stuff alone. lol
He never will. He makes it very clear he doesn’t like her.
@@MimiCheckinfakeheauxor he just doesn’t believe her
Why??? This is not just about Meg. There’s a much bigger conversation to be had here
I am just here for the smooth brained, dogshit theories. Don't mind me.
It’s not a lie, IF IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. If she chose not disclose who her sexual partner(s) were, that’s her business. She didn’t owe Gayle that. The trial became more about her sex life, than what happened to her.
Context matters though. Meg lying makes her look bad because her sleeping with Tory is what lead to the fight, the same fight that she also said didn't happen mind you.
In a case, such as this is definitely relevant. That’s why it was asked. It’s a basis for motive amongst other things. You’re out of your mind if you believe otherwise.
Your relationship with someone stops being private when you accuse them of a crime.
Men learn from Johnathan Majors and Tory Lanez. Take the stand. That no snitching doesn't apply to women because they will throw you under the bus.
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Marks take is something a woman would say lol . I have to believe her on this but anybody is capable of lying about that 😂
I can tell his mom raised him.
Thank you joe.... cause these folk see beautiful women and ALL LOGIC goes out the window...
Tory was trying to buy himself out his deal at universal which he had outsold and overperformed despite them trying to prevent him from blowing up. He came from Canada and was consistently on the radio and pivoted in between rap and R&B. There's no doubt he was set up
Joe on point
Marc Lamont is clowning here! Terrible takes. The shit never added up and he’s speaking with a strange bias.