Demo is pretty good right now if you play with the right conduits and stuff. It does great stacked cleave and boss damage in mythic+. Affliction does more damage in raids though. There's only one boss with significant stacked cleave (mythic SLG), and Affliction is still much better in that fight than demo due to all the movement not giving you time to build proper tyrants. But current affliction is arguably even harder to play well than demonology was in WoD when this was recorded. And guess what, Ion's nerfing Affliction into the ground in 9.1!
Ion Hazzikostas, thanks for destroying the Warlock class completely and utterly. Time to playing a hunter. Oh and by the way when Activision/Blizzard fires you because of the massive amount of money you cost them, every single person that played a Warlock as their main is going to CHEER and rejoice that you are GONE.
A. Ion Hazajobheshouldnthastus is not CAPABLE of running a software development group. And he IS terrible at maths. B. Chadd dumbo Nerdvigg is completely CLUELESS and his "vision" sucks. C. Holinka lmao... what can you say.. Forrest Gump. They have RUINED the game.
There are people in this world that self identify with their jobs way too much. Ion is one of these people. His job actually creates hisself image and self identit for him. This is why he said this. The way players play, what classes they choose ect actually effect him on a personal level. And I can guarantee there is a toxic work environment at blizzard right now. I will bet not one person under him can disagree with him withou it being taken personally.
Apparently most Blizzard employees make a hard living. They don't pay you much if you aren't at the top. There are stories of Blizzard devs living out of there cars, having multiple jobs, etc. while Blizzard and now Activision made billions. It really is ridiculous how cheap these massive companies are when it comes to paychecks.
They are still, in the year 2023, playing favorites with spec balancing instead of actually balancing stuff. They nerfed Demo again for 10.2 PTR to laughably bad damage, which means they can't even test the outdoor content correctly.
I guess you could see the reasoning in hindsight. Legion was going to completely overhaul demo. Of course they couldn't mention that at the time. Still, it's funny that at some point in time, the official Blizzard stance towards a spec was "please just don't play it."
They also did that with Survival. It was extremely good in Blackrock Foundry and then got nerfed into the ground in HFC. Then they turned it into a melee spec that nobody plays in PVE.
This is the kind of anti-fun uncompassionate bullshit that made me quit WoW. I played mage and I knew they were doing this to Frost over and over and over.
Blizz, Stop disrespecting my Demonology Warlock, If I wanted to play a piss poor easy class I would roll a beastmaster hunter. your makeing it to where I just want to go back to playing my rogue. Every class I try as my main you nerf into uselessness and I have to fall back onto another toon.
most out of touch response to a question that I have ever seen. Then they "change" demo lock instead of adding a new spec and its a complete dumpster spec since its inception.
No, no it's really not. All of the warlock specs are awful and plagued with issues that have been brought up for over half a year on the beta and alpha and Blizzard just continues to nerf them. The pre-patch tomorrow will see the warlock population plummet.
I miss old Demo so much.
So many years later and this video is still relevant, I mean, the highest dmg I do is dmg to myself via Health Funnel. Feelsbadman.
Demo is pretty good right now if you play with the right conduits and stuff. It does great stacked cleave and boss damage in mythic+. Affliction does more damage in raids though. There's only one boss with significant stacked cleave (mythic SLG), and Affliction is still much better in that fight than demo due to all the movement not giving you time to build proper tyrants.
But current affliction is arguably even harder to play well than demonology was in WoD when this was recorded. And guess what, Ion's nerfing Affliction into the ground in 9.1!
@@ThanhTriet600 pretty good if you like a worse version of affliction
I'm sorry, it's my decision if I want to roll a demonology warlock, not yours, Blizz.
That response, man. Wow.
"Demonology needs an improvement"
"The improvement is playing another spec"
seeing how bad the spec has been since legion. this is the correct answer.
"we're not bad at numbers"
I disagree...lol
So we are paying every month for him to decide for us how to play the game... cool...
Reminder these 2 clowns still work on WoW
Ion Hazzikostas, thanks for destroying the Warlock class completely and utterly. Time to playing a hunter. Oh and by the way when Activision/Blizzard fires you because of the massive amount of money you cost them, every single person that played a Warlock as their main is going to CHEER and rejoice that you are GONE.
+Tim Cross We will see how good or bad demo will be in Legion, but i think that this will be me after login 2:19
No Warlock is now dead in Legion *LUL* really funny .... i think ..... no ? .. ok fuck!
A year later and it is VERY VERY BAD mechanically. All 3 specs actually.
still works there :D
No idea how a dev can keep his position after saying something like this. And here we go 10.2 it's relevant once again.
This is the most galaxy brained response to class balance I have ever seen.
You just did this shit to give our meta form to incoming demon hunters in legion. And i will always hate both ion and demonhunters cause of that.
A. Ion Hazajobheshouldnthastus is not CAPABLE of running a software development group. And he IS terrible at maths.
B. Chadd dumbo Nerdvigg is completely CLUELESS and his "vision" sucks.
C. Holinka lmao... what can you say.. Forrest Gump.
They have RUINED the game.
1:37 first patch of SL and aren't we forced to play aff now? whats your solution now ?
Hey, I come from the future! Check 9.1 PTR patch notes
@@matheusmterra yae too bad the game is completely dead now and everyone switched FFxiv
There are people in this world that self identify with their jobs way too much. Ion is one of these people. His job actually creates hisself image and self identit for him. This is why he said this. The way players play, what classes they choose ect actually effect him on a personal level.
And I can guarantee there is a toxic work environment at blizzard right now. I will bet not one person under him can disagree with him withou it being taken personally.
Apparently most Blizzard employees make a hard living. They don't pay you much if you aren't at the top. There are stories of Blizzard devs living out of there cars, having multiple jobs, etc. while Blizzard and now Activision made billions. It really is ridiculous how cheap these massive companies are when it comes to paychecks.
@@810wasaninsidejob9 No wonder the game has gone to shit.
still relevant in 2024
Watching this after the demo nerfs still true to this day 😂
They are still, in the year 2023, playing favorites with spec balancing instead of actually balancing stuff. They nerfed Demo again for 10.2 PTR to laughably bad damage, which means they can't even test the outdoor content correctly.
7 years later still a thing, after that, warlocks from all azeroth suffered the fatidic apoteosis day, where we all forgot tho metamorphosis.
Classic demo had a very organic play style. I loved it.
This video is still relevant to this today in 2023 dragonflight season 1 :)
So by this logic does that mean unholy will be nerfed soon because it’s *complicated* ?
making us play affliction when i hate the spec but demo and destro are too low
5 years old video, but still actual 😅
90% of players are playing afflic, but I doubt they’ll hit it with a 25% nerf
@@ZivineYT Lol, they nerfed it way more than 25% on the PTR. But they buffed the other specs into relevance.
LMAO 0:42 - 0:59 I was crying from laughing so hard.
I guess you could see the reasoning in hindsight. Legion was going to completely overhaul demo. Of course they couldn't mention that at the time. Still, it's funny that at some point in time, the official Blizzard stance towards a spec was "please just don't play it."
They also did that with Survival. It was extremely good in Blackrock Foundry and then got nerfed into the ground in HFC. Then they turned it into a melee spec that nobody plays in PVE.
05/09/2024 Now that the war within alfa is going and all three warlock trees are avaible for testing this video is somehow relevant once again.
Hello Darkness my old friend... i am forced to hard cast shadow bolt again
Here we are in 2023. Arcane mages require a PHD to play.
That Ion should directly mention Method and Paragon is just a sign of who this game is really being built for.
This is the kind of anti-fun uncompassionate bullshit that made me quit WoW. I played mage and I knew they were doing this to Frost over and over and over.
5 years later and they still dont give a fuck for us demo boiz
Funny because i think demonology warlock is one of the coolest specs to play
This is actually pretty damn funny
Last patch of BFA, and it's still true. Blizz clearly does not want people playing Demo...
This is really fucking funny.
And if u see the legion comp right know. 99% Are AFFLI LMAO.
what movie is the clip at 30 seconds from?
I don't actually know 😅
Still relevant it seems!
And somehow what wasn't okay for Demo Locks is not more than okay for Fire Mages. Total BS
here we go again
Well... Maybe if they change the spec in the future but right now Blizzard is all about melee and hunters.
Josh belongs in 18th century pantaloons and a couple poodles he's walking to go duel Lord Fontleroy for his hair doo.
weeks into legion and now....... you mind as well post the same video on a live stream just tilted "back at it again"
been saying it for years, blizzard hate demonology. 😢
3 years later and this comment is not wrong.
Ion sure can dig a hole.
New excuse. We'd rather you didn't play Destro.
Blizz, Stop disrespecting my Demonology Warlock, If I wanted to play a piss poor easy class I would roll a beastmaster hunter. your makeing it to where I just want to go back to playing my rogue. Every class I try as my main you nerf into uselessness and I have to fall back onto another toon.
sadly hunters will likely be better master of demons before warlocks. seeing as they are better masters of the undead then DKs.
most out of touch response to a question that I have ever seen. Then they "change" demo lock instead of adding a new spec and its a complete dumpster spec since its inception.
What's even more disappointing is people still play this shit are likely my age.
And now the spec looks to be the most fun and wild it has ever been.
Looks and actually playing it are entirely different. It LOOKs great and fun, but it is trash after 10 minutes.
No, no it's really not. All of the warlock specs are awful and plagued with issues that have been brought up for over half a year on the beta and alpha and Blizzard just continues to nerf them. The pre-patch tomorrow will see the warlock population plummet.
It's a huge pain in the ass. Very slow ramp up time, too.