A time or two I said 'short' when I meant to say 'open'. When an LED fails it typically fails as an open circuit, not a short. Apologizes if this causes any confusion.
Super cool video, thanks for this. If I remember my high school electronics course, would using bridge rectifiers then mean in this case that the lights would be flickering at 120 Hz? I think you may have helped me figure out why I get lines in a 1/20 shutter speed time lapse.
Your tear-down and analysis are excellent. A major failure in design and manufacturing is not bonding the LED strips to the aluminum extrusion for heat dissipation. As for lighting a low ceiling room, I have yet to find a suitable replacement for a bare/exposed T5 fluorescent tube. Extreme uniformity in light distribution both lateral and vertical, and lowest glare possible. I prefer 3500K CCT. Your 5000K CCT may be better for white balance in video recording. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for your kind words! I was hoping to find a good alternative to T5 bulbs but I'm not sure there's a budget friendly LED option out there yet. I do like the warmer lighting myself but you are correct, I've found the 5000K is better for video.
This certainly explains my experience, which involved getting warranty replacements and now having half of them out once again. This video was great for letting me know that there really is no saving them, I really will have to just buy new ones because it'll continue to be a cascading problem no matter what I do. Thanks for the breakdown.
Cool. I had been considering changing my 4' florescent shop lights to LEDs. Seeing this though has made me reconsider that. My florescent lights work just fine and as my shop is painted white I have plenty of light in there. I guess if it ain't broke I shouldn't fix it, lol. Heck, one bank of them is probably as old as I am with a big sand ballast resistor in it and still works fine.
Im in the UK, i bought about x16 of these lights (Moya and Barrina). Literally the month of the years warranty for UK electrical products has just passed, and i only just noticed that all the lights are still emitting light (on) when the side switch is set to off. This means i get no refund from all thdse lights (over £130). I didn't know this could happen. Company said its problem with the connector but they have all failed now, seem to go all at once. And the problem I have had is i didn't notice it sooner as rhe light when its switched to off is very dim, so couldn't tell unless looking in the dark. The light when off is now no where near as dim so thats when i noticed; the fault gets worse. The LEDS glow more light when they ade off, the longer its been faulty. So had I of known to of checked then for a fault in the dark or evening, I would of pucjed this up months ago and got a refund. Anf secondly since they emmit light constantly (even wheh off at the side switches) and they are on a timer - I am burning money at night time and all through the day when some have been switched to off during the day - but on daisy chain so others may be on. Say some are on because im growing seeds. This is all aling shelving so they have to be on a timer on a daisy chain set up. I am bot going to be switching them all off by side switches , and switching off at the timer. Only ti very morning switch all thr side switches on, which would also involve me going up a ladder, and then switching the main switch on ,and doing that every evening too. What are my cheap strip light alternatives, that are the same size, cost slim design the UK. I don't want to spend £130 each year, throw more plastic in landfill and have to keep checking them in the dark. I also need something that is an alternative in the UK for the same price and cant find anything! The colour temperature also needs to be the same. I feel gutted. I mean in one shelving I have 9 daisy lights together on different shelves, on a timer and when the timer is set to off all the light LEDS are still glowing, now very strongly in the evening. If only i knew this sooner! What do i do for a replacement brand!!!?
@42pursuit any ideas on the above issue, because it's not led lights failing, but they don't go off when the side switch is set to off. Any ideas on UK replacement suggestions please , I'm desperate to know. .same size and colour temperature as the T5s (30cm)?
I bought a 12 pack of 4ft Barrina lights in 2020 for around $80. All are still going strong in my 2 car garage wood shop. They are used about 20 hours per week. Hard to beat the price for what you get here.
Unless you can find strips with a better design I feel that the same things is going to happen and they'll eventually fail again. Also due to the power supply design not just any led strip can be put in.
Your failure rate is pretty nuts actually. I have about 50 of these (8ft form factor) that have been in operation for 160hrs/wk for nearly 6 years and haven't experienced a single failure. No climate control and they sit directly under a black tar roof where the ambient temperature usually ranges from 90-130F. They aren't the same "manufacturer" but they are the same design because I tore down a spare. It might be possible that there was some variation in the LEDs (quality) or maybe they managed to get the power supply incorrect.
Wow, that's pretty crazy how much longer your lights lasted. Sounds like there's a difference for sure, I just wonder if it is the LEDs, the power supply, or the routing/layout. Hmm, I may have to do a teardown on one of those longer ones.
What brand is the same but different?! All x16 of mine (mostly unused throughout the year) all failed in the same month of warranty just over expiry of a year. I'm in the UK and need replacements
A time or two I said 'short' when I meant to say 'open'. When an LED fails it typically fails as an open circuit, not a short. Apologizes if this causes any confusion.
I love the explanation and testing. I like how you explain what to look out for but how to do that without buying the product and taking it apart?
Super cool video, thanks for this. If I remember my high school electronics course, would using bridge rectifiers then mean in this case that the lights would be flickering at 120 Hz? I think you may have helped me figure out why I get lines in a 1/20 shutter speed time lapse.
Thank god finally a good review not a paid review. I have yet to see anyone do a ppfd test on them!
Your tear-down and analysis are excellent. A major failure in design and manufacturing is not bonding the LED strips to the aluminum extrusion for heat dissipation. As for lighting a low ceiling room, I have yet to find a suitable replacement for a bare/exposed T5 fluorescent tube. Extreme uniformity in light distribution both lateral and vertical, and lowest glare possible. I prefer 3500K CCT. Your 5000K CCT may be better for white balance in video recording. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for your kind words! I was hoping to find a good alternative to T5 bulbs but I'm not sure there's a budget friendly LED option out there yet. I do like the warmer lighting myself but you are correct, I've found the 5000K is better for video.
This certainly explains my experience, which involved getting warranty replacements and now having half of them out once again. This video was great for letting me know that there really is no saving them, I really will have to just buy new ones because it'll continue to be a cascading problem no matter what I do.
Thanks for the breakdown.
Cool. I had been considering changing my 4' florescent shop lights to LEDs. Seeing this though has made me reconsider that. My florescent lights work just fine and as my shop is painted white I have plenty of light in there. I guess if it ain't broke I shouldn't fix it, lol. Heck, one bank of them is probably as old as I am with a big sand ballast resistor in it and still works fine.
Is there a similar product that's made properly? Or, what would you recommend?
I haven't found a good option for that price point. I've heard good things about American Green Lights but they are quite a bit more expensive.
I have had they don’t last that long but in still planning on getting them. Thy are pretty cheap so I’ll just buy extras. Thanks for the info.
Im in the UK, i bought about x16 of these lights (Moya and Barrina). Literally the month of the years warranty for UK electrical products has just passed, and i only just noticed that all the lights are still emitting light (on) when the side switch is set to off. This means i get no refund from all thdse lights (over £130). I didn't know this could happen.
Company said its problem with the connector but they have all failed now, seem to go all at once. And the problem I have had is i didn't notice it sooner as rhe light when its switched to off is very dim, so couldn't tell unless looking in the dark. The light when off is now no where near as dim so thats when i noticed; the fault gets worse. The LEDS glow more light when they ade off, the longer its been faulty. So had I of known to of checked then for a fault in the dark or evening, I would of pucjed this up months ago and got a refund. Anf secondly since they emmit light constantly (even wheh off at the side switches) and they are on a timer - I am burning money at night time and all through the day when some have been switched to off during the day - but on daisy chain so others may be on. Say some are on because im growing seeds. This is all aling shelving so they have to be on a timer on a daisy chain set up.
I am bot going to be switching them all off by side switches , and switching off at the timer. Only ti very morning switch all thr side switches on, which would also involve me going up a ladder, and then switching the main switch on ,and doing that every evening too.
What are my cheap strip light alternatives, that are the same size, cost slim design the UK.
I don't want to spend £130 each year, throw more plastic in landfill and have to keep checking them in the dark. I also need something that is an alternative in the UK for the same price and cant find anything! The colour temperature also needs to be the same. I feel gutted. I mean in one shelving I have 9 daisy lights together on different shelves, on a timer and when the timer is set to off all the light LEDS are still glowing, now very strongly in the evening. If only i knew this sooner! What do i do for a replacement brand!!!?
@42pursuit any ideas on the above issue, because it's not led lights failing, but they don't go off when the side switch is set to off. Any ideas on UK replacement suggestions please , I'm desperate to know. .same size and colour temperature as the T5s (30cm)?
Thanks, Was thinking about getting these for my garage. But now i don't think so. will stick with easily replaceable e26 base bulbs
I bought a 12 pack of 4ft Barrina lights in 2020 for around $80. All are still going strong in my 2 car garage wood shop. They are used about 20 hours per week. Hard to beat the price for what you get here.
If these burn out would it be worth reusing the housing and connectors and just replacing the led strips?
Unless you can find strips with a better design I feel that the same things is going to happen and they'll eventually fail again. Also due to the power supply design not just any led strip can be put in.
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You said short several times where you should have said open. Otherwise nice video...found your channel through Will. Subbed!
Ah yes,, that's just how it goes when things aren't scripted. I feel it got the point across though.
Thanks for the sub!
@@42Pursuit no sweat man i do the same thing :) your presentation is nice for off the cuff...for sure better than mine!
Your failure rate is pretty nuts actually. I have about 50 of these (8ft form factor) that have been in operation for 160hrs/wk for nearly 6 years and haven't experienced a single failure. No climate control and they sit directly under a black tar roof where the ambient temperature usually ranges from 90-130F.
They aren't the same "manufacturer" but they are the same design because I tore down a spare. It might be possible that there was some variation in the LEDs (quality) or maybe they managed to get the power supply incorrect.
Wow, that's pretty crazy how much longer your lights lasted. Sounds like there's a difference for sure, I just wonder if it is the LEDs, the power supply, or the routing/layout. Hmm, I may have to do a teardown on one of those longer ones.
What brand is the same but different?! All x16 of mine (mostly unused throughout the year) all failed in the same month of warranty just over expiry of a year. I'm in the UK and need replacements