Wow -- I was young once! I lost a lot of my L & L archives and collection in a water main break flood of 2020. I'm glad someone posted this old 1989 ABC-TV doc on You Tube, although it appears they took the film off a television set. I wish someone could post the original footage. It's great to rediscover this old doc and I miss all those who long passed on -- actually everyone in the film, except me! Yikes! I miss Elmer Gertz terribly; he became like a surrogate grandfather to me, and was a legal legend pertaining to First Amendment issues in his own right. He had his own landmark Supreme Court case when he sued the John Birch Society for libel and slander and won. He was Leopold's parole attorney, as well as handled First Amendment cases for a number of notable clients. This is the 100th year since the crime and it never ceases to fascinate. Thanks to whoever posted this doc. -- Sam Katz
@@GiftSparks Thank you! And yes, it was decided it was Loeb who did the beating. Babe Leopold was driving. They rented a dark green Willys-Knight, and Babe had a red Willys-Knight which was being fixed by his family's chauffeur, who went down to the State's Attorney's Office with that information. The chauffeur thought he was helping the family, and not giving up Nathan. But that's what he did.
@@GirlandBird Thank you. I fell down a rabbit hole of sorts during the pandemic 😷. I started watching true crime broadcasts and then segued into historical cases. I must say, the L&L case became sort of an obsession. My favorite documentary of it is The American Experience. My favorite dramatized version is Swoon. It must have been fascinating to know someone actually connected with the original case (at least in the parole phase).
@@GiftSparks Oh, I fell down the rabbit hole in high school, then took a long break, then got back into it big time in the 1980s, which is how I wound up in two documentaries. I was not crazy about the American Experience, mainly because they picked my brains, but then used other talking heads, but those folks made a few mistakes. I also know they came along after everyone connected to the case and the defendants had died. By the time that was produced, everyone who had known Dickie and Babe were gone. I was so lucky to have gotten involved while people who knew them were still alive. They were in the 80s and 90s, and are now long gone, but I was so interested in the 1920s, it was great to know people who were teenagers in the Roaring Twenties! I got great tidbits from so many. I even knew Dick's cellmate, and I was the ONLY person he spoke to about Dick in his life. He died of cancer before we got to meet face to face, but we had phone conversations. I haven't located the other documentary that I'm in yet -- it was produced for Canadian TV. If you see it ... let me know! This is a classic case and has all the elements. Some of the graphics in this doc are mine, too. But I did lose most of my research archive in a flood in 2020 that wiped out three storage bins of mine; however my most rare collectibles were in my home and were saved. Thanks for your interest!!
@@GirlandBird With regard to the American Experience-- I am so sorry. This is probably a real problem in the historical academic communities. It's hard to claim intellectual property when it comes to research and facts. So can totally see how historians can get shafted when it comes to giving attribution. I have also been intrigued by the 1920's. It's hard to find another time in which there was such a sea change from the prior decade.
I have lived in Puerto Rico since my birth in 1958 so I was 13 when local TV and papers published the news on Nathan Leopold's death in 1971 and that's how I first knew about this case. Leopold worked as a medical technician at Castañer General Hospital in the interior town of Adjuntas, then earned a master's degree at the state's University Of PR where he became a professor and researcher, most notably on leprosy, at the UPR School Of Medicine. His lifelong love for the birdlife lead him to publish Checklist Of Birds Of Puerto Rico And The Virgin Islands. Died of a diabetes-related heart attack at age 66. The movies Rope (1948), directed by Alfred Hitchcock starring James Stewart, and Compulsion (1959) with Orson Welles are based on the case. Bendiciones desde San Juan !!!
The crime that will not die. Almost a hundred years, yet people are still intrigued by this HORRIBLE CRIME. I still drive by Bobby's house and remains of Leopole and Loeb homes.
Interesting. I can't say Darrow's words leave me any less repulsed than Wilk's did in Compulsion. The two young thugs knew exactly what they were doing.
I think it is odd that they kidnapped someone from their own neighborhood. Loeb was seen on the school grounds talking to young boys shortly before the kidnapping. Loeb was anything but inconspicuous.
Alfred Hitchcock directed a movie called "ROPE" in 1948. This film was based on the Nietsche-inspired philosophy of the power over inferiors. Master-Slave morality. I guess your professor has something new to profess now.Thanks to you.
Tell your professor it's one of the most famous crime cases in American history, and the closing arguments in the case are among the most famous in American jurisprudence. Your professor must have been born yesterday.
@@GirlandBirdSam-- this is an unfortunate occurrence nowadays. There is an entire generation who behaves as if the world did not exist before they were born. I imagine this person’s “professor” fell into that cohort.
Genius level iq... leaves feet sticking out, leaves 3 of a kind glasses... hung out around crime scenes, used same type of type writer 🤔 hmmm makes sense
they were two inept fools who wanted to prove their supposed superiority by regressing to the beast. did they want to surpass humanity? they actually misread Nietzsche. the philosopher did not mean that the superman should be a tyrant and a ruler. the superman must be simply indifferent to the flock and to rise does not necessarily mean killing out of pure sadism. these two were just two spoiled kids with narcissism. From the mistakes they made, they show no genius at all. And what did that genius Leopold do after prison? shit. I don't think he wrote the divine comedy !! ha ha ha.
@@chapinrey This does not matter that much. The thing that sucks the most is their cowardice. They could blame someone their age, but they knew they were weaklings.
Iq doesn't mean anything and its so vast and not precise , there is a girl called Marilyn vos savant with a iq of 228 and she's just a journalist and did nothing anyone else can do
With their combined genius, Leopold and Loeb could have accomplished great things if they had not met each other or had more self-control over their criminal impulses. It is too bad psychiatrists were not called in before the crime occurred instead of after.
It was apocryphal. I hunted and hunted for a hard copy of the newspaper, but none exist. I checked several library copies, but they do not carry that lede. During the Depression, in 1936 when Loeb was killed, it's unlikely anyone made different editions, so I think it was really just a newsroom gag. I also met a Northwestern University journalism professor who for years conducted a hunt, and he couldn't find a hard copy, either.
Oh my God, Now I just want to go to Chicago to the museum where the glasses are behind a case for displayed because I want to see. I’m so into criminal cases.
@@adambomb51 *you're 🙃 Jes' sayin?, eh? If you write / are a writer: it's a good thing to use correct grammar, sir - eh? ☺ Be well and good fortune to you.
Bradford was terrific and Stockwell was outstanding but Orson was just too much for the theatrics of the film. They should have been sentenced to death, but never executed. Just kept on death row. 😮
@@jeffsilverberg5848 I utterly disagree: Orson Welles was, as always, magnificent! I think a LOT of people agree with mew ... - Well, anyway, sir: Be well ...
The first time I heard about this case is when I rent Alfred Hitchcock's The Rope where on the DVD pocket it was indicated that the movie's scenario was inspired by a Play which was itself inspired from this case. Anyway, I saw Hitchcock movie the summer before my last High School year. During this last year, a psychopath (whom teachers considered an immaculate angel) not only bullied me like hell but constantly repeated that he was just playing with me before killing me since an inferior like me doesn't deserve to live. He kept saying that he would never be accused since all teachers knew he was law abiding and had good marks (more than me). That the victim being a loser like me, the cops will not even investigate. Thinking about the movie, I freaked like hell knowing that if I fought back, everyone will side with him and if I do nothing he will one day kill me and get away with it! One day he told me he won't bully anymore. I was sure it was a trick to catch me by surprise and I kept carrying a knife. In the ends it appears he told the truth but nonetheless when I met him 10 years later , I can tell you there was no way I would tell him where I work or where I live!
The first time I heard about this case is when I rent Alfred Hitchcock's movie where on the DVD pocket it was indicated that the movie's scenario was inspired by a Play which was itself inspired from this case. Anyway, I saw Hitchcock movie the summer before my last High School year. During this last year, a psychopath (whom teachers considered an immaculate angel) not only bullied me like hell but constantly repeated that he was just playing with me before he would kill me since an inferior like me doesn't deserve to live. He kept saying that he would never be accused since all teachers knew he was law abiding and had good marks (more than me). That the victim being a loser like me, the cops will not even investigate. Thinking about the movie, I freaked like hell knowing that if I fought back, everyone will side with him and if I do nothing he will one day kill me and get away with it! One day he told me he won't bully anymore. I was sure it was a trick to catch me by surprise and I kept carrying a knife. In the ends it appears he told the truth but nonetheless when I met him 10 years later , I can tell you there was no way I would tell him where I work or where I live!
Nathan Leopold was a linguist, which means he was "Judd" in the movie. At the restaurant he says he speaks 14 languages. Loeb was the leader, the darer, the more cynical and the more contemptuous. Outgoing and friendly, opposite of Leopold, at least his public persona was.
i agree. They clearly deserved the death penalty, and if they were not from wealthy families, and having Darrow, they would have hanged, and they really should have.
@@markheit5870 it's called justice. They didn't even need the ransom money. A poor person or one of modest means would have gone to the gallows, so how is this fair?
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Wow -- I was young once! I lost a lot of my L & L archives and collection in a water main break flood of 2020. I'm glad someone posted this old 1989 ABC-TV doc on You Tube, although it appears they took the film off a television set. I wish someone could post the original footage. It's great to rediscover this old doc and I miss all those who long passed on -- actually everyone in the film, except me! Yikes! I miss Elmer Gertz terribly; he became like a surrogate grandfather to me, and was a legal legend pertaining to First Amendment issues in his own right. He had his own landmark Supreme Court case when he sued the John Birch Society for libel and slander and won. He was Leopold's parole attorney, as well as handled First Amendment cases for a number of notable clients. This is the 100th year since the crime and it never ceases to fascinate. Thanks to whoever posted this doc. -- Sam Katz
I am sure you are just as beautiful today ! I find this case fascinating. For what it’s worth, I think it was Loeb who actually killed Bobby Frank.
@@GiftSparks Thank you! And yes, it was decided it was Loeb who did the beating. Babe Leopold was driving. They rented a dark green Willys-Knight, and Babe had a red Willys-Knight which was being fixed by his family's chauffeur, who went down to the State's Attorney's Office with that information. The chauffeur thought he was helping the family, and not giving up Nathan. But that's what he did.
@@GirlandBird Thank you. I fell down a rabbit hole of sorts during the pandemic 😷. I started watching true crime broadcasts and then segued into historical cases. I must say, the L&L case became sort of an obsession. My favorite documentary of it is The American Experience. My favorite dramatized version is Swoon. It must have been fascinating to know someone actually connected with the original case (at least in the parole phase).
@@GiftSparks Oh, I fell down the rabbit hole in high school, then took a long break, then got back into it big time in the 1980s, which is how I wound up in two documentaries. I was not crazy about the American Experience, mainly because they picked my brains, but then used other talking heads, but those folks made a few mistakes. I also know they came along after everyone connected to the case and the defendants had died. By the time that was produced, everyone who had known Dickie and Babe were gone. I was so lucky to have gotten involved while people who knew them were still alive. They were in the 80s and 90s, and are now long gone, but I was so interested in the 1920s, it was great to know people who were teenagers in the Roaring Twenties! I got great tidbits from so many. I even knew Dick's cellmate, and I was the ONLY person he spoke to about Dick in his life. He died of cancer before we got to meet face to face, but we had phone conversations. I haven't located the other documentary that I'm in yet -- it was produced for Canadian TV. If you see it ... let me know! This is a classic case and has all the elements. Some of the graphics in this doc are mine, too. But I did lose most of my research archive in a flood in 2020 that wiped out three storage bins of mine; however my most rare collectibles were in my home and were saved. Thanks for your interest!!
@@GirlandBird With regard to the American Experience-- I am so sorry. This is probably a real problem in the historical academic communities. It's hard to claim intellectual property when it comes to research and facts. So can totally see how historians can get shafted when it comes to giving attribution. I have also been intrigued by the 1920's. It's hard to find another time in which there was such a sea change from the prior decade.
I have lived in Puerto Rico since my birth in 1958 so I was 13 when local TV and papers published the news on Nathan Leopold's death in 1971 and that's how I first knew about this case. Leopold worked as a medical technician at Castañer General Hospital in the interior town of Adjuntas, then earned a master's degree at the state's University Of PR where he became a professor and researcher, most notably on leprosy, at the UPR School Of Medicine. His lifelong love for the birdlife lead him to publish Checklist Of Birds Of Puerto Rico And The Virgin Islands. Died of a diabetes-related heart attack at age 66.
The movies Rope (1948), directed by Alfred Hitchcock starring James Stewart, and Compulsion (1959) with Orson Welles are based on the case.
Bendiciones desde San Juan !!!
He was still a piece of sh&t who murdered an innocent Child
@@LisaMitchellGD As Joe Friday used to say in the TV show Dragnet: "Just the facts, ma'am". I do not judge.
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This was a very rich Jewish enclave in Chicago at the time
@@quasar4601 It was a wealthy area it’s true, but I was just waiting for someone to point out that they were Jewish.
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I knew that and these boys ruined their life
The crime that will not die. Almost a hundred years, yet people are still intrigued by this HORRIBLE CRIME. I still drive by Bobby's house and remains of Leopole and Loeb homes.
Interesting. I can't say Darrow's words leave me any less repulsed than Wilk's did in Compulsion. The two young thugs knew exactly what they were doing.
My grandfather's widow was Josephine Franks, brother of Bobby Franks. She lived to 100.
Loeb knowing that Bobby was his cousin is treacherous.
I think it is odd that they kidnapped someone from their own neighborhood. Loeb was seen on the school grounds talking to young boys shortly before the kidnapping. Loeb was anything but inconspicuous.
These two man child’s were just cruel because of their feelings of superiority over others and their feelings for each other. Sadistic behavior.
I did a paper on this case for a criminal justice class. My professor said that he never heard of the case.
Alfred Hitchcock directed a movie called "ROPE" in 1948. This film was based on the Nietsche-inspired philosophy of the power over inferiors. Master-Slave morality. I guess your professor has something new to profess now.Thanks to you.
My God, where did you go to school ?
Tell your professor it's one of the most famous crime cases in American history, and the closing arguments in the case are among the most famous in American jurisprudence. Your professor must have been born yesterday.
@@GirlandBirdSam-- this is an unfortunate occurrence nowadays. There is an entire generation who behaves as if the world did not exist before they were born. I imagine this person’s “professor” fell into that cohort.
@@GiftSparks I know. It's incredible.
Two arrogant "geniuses" destroyed the lives of three families!
All Jewish families
@@quasar4601...
Hitler was an Aryan whitey. He destroyed the lives of 100s of millions of families.
Genius level iq... leaves feet sticking out, leaves 3 of a kind glasses... hung out around crime scenes, used same type of type writer 🤔 hmmm makes sense
And they were homosexuals. Yeah genius !
they were two inept fools who wanted to prove their supposed superiority by regressing to the beast. did they want to surpass humanity? they actually misread Nietzsche. the philosopher did not mean that the superman should be a tyrant and a ruler. the superman must be simply indifferent to the flock and to rise does not necessarily mean killing out of pure sadism. these two were just two spoiled kids with narcissism. From the mistakes they made, they show no genius at all. And what did that genius Leopold do after prison? shit. I don't think he wrote the divine comedy !! ha ha ha.
@@chapinrey This does not matter that much. The thing that sucks the most is their cowardice. They could blame someone their age, but they knew they were weaklings.
Iq doesn't mean anything and its so vast and not precise , there is a girl called Marilyn vos savant with a iq of 228 and she's just a journalist and did nothing anyone else can do
Iq isint precise at all
With their combined genius, Leopold and Loeb could have accomplished great things if they had not met each other or had more self-control over their criminal impulses. It is too bad psychiatrists were not called in before the crime occurred instead of after.
I always marvel that they didn't just write a book or a play ... but instead, well ... no one can ever go backwards in time.
Probably apocryphal, but worth repeating:
"Richard Loeb, despite his erudition, today ended his sentence with a proposition".
It was apocryphal. I hunted and hunted for a hard copy of the newspaper, but none exist. I checked several library copies, but they do not carry that lede. During the Depression, in 1936 when Loeb was killed, it's unlikely anyone made different editions, so I think it was really just a newsroom gag. I also met a Northwestern University journalism professor who for years conducted a hunt, and he couldn't find a hard copy, either.
Quite interesting ty for posting .
Oh my God, Now I just want to go to Chicago to the museum where the glasses are behind a case for displayed because I want to see. I’m so into criminal cases.
You can see it on ytube
The original area is mostly gone
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@@adambomb51 *you're 🙃 Jes' sayin?, eh? If you write / are a writer: it's a good thing to use correct grammar, sir - eh? ☺ Be well and good fortune to you.
@@quasar4601 The glasses are owned by the Chicago Historical Society, now called the Chicago History Museum.
@@GirlandBird , I feel bad for Bobby Franks ..just terrible
Compulsion movie was based on this case. Great movie with Bradford Dillman!
Co-starring former child star Dean Stockwell and Orson Welles!
Dean Stockwell went on to more movies and a TV show as an adult.
Bradford was terrific and Stockwell was outstanding but Orson was just too much for the theatrics of the film. They should have been sentenced to death, but never executed. Just kept on death row. 😮
@@jeffsilverberg5848 I utterly disagree: Orson Welles was, as always, magnificent! I think a LOT of people agree with mew ... - Well, anyway, sir: Be well ...
@@susanb2015 Stockwell was performing since he was a little boy. Watch "The Secret Garden." He was an amazing child actor.
The first time I heard about this case is when I rent Alfred Hitchcock's The Rope where on the DVD pocket it was indicated that the movie's scenario was inspired by a Play which was itself inspired from this case. Anyway, I saw Hitchcock movie the summer before my last High School year. During this last year, a psychopath (whom teachers considered an immaculate angel) not only bullied me like hell but constantly repeated that he was just playing with me before killing me since an inferior like me doesn't deserve to live. He kept saying that he would never be accused since all teachers knew he was law abiding and had good marks (more than me). That the victim being a loser like me, the cops will not even investigate. Thinking about the movie, I freaked like hell knowing that if I fought back, everyone will side with him and if I do nothing he will one day kill me and get away with it! One day he told me he won't bully anymore. I was sure it was a trick to catch me by surprise and I kept carrying a knife. In the ends it appears he told the truth but nonetheless when I met him 10 years later , I can tell you there was no way I would tell him where I work or where I live!
I'm so sorry you went through that! Psychopath is what he is.
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The Alfred Hitchcock thriller ROPE was based upon the Leopold Loeb case. However the film is a completely different story
Barry Smith Check out the movie Compulsion. That’s more like the actual case
The first time I heard about this case is when I rent Alfred Hitchcock's movie where on the DVD pocket it was indicated that the movie's scenario was inspired by a Play which was itself inspired from this case. Anyway, I saw Hitchcock movie the summer before my last High School year. During this last year, a psychopath (whom teachers considered an immaculate angel) not only bullied me like hell but constantly repeated that he was just playing with me before he would kill me since an inferior like me doesn't deserve to live. He kept saying that he would never be accused since all teachers knew he was law abiding and had good marks (more than me). That the victim being a loser like me, the cops will not even investigate. Thinking about the movie, I freaked like hell knowing that if I fought back, everyone will side with him and if I do nothing he will one day kill me and get away with it! One day he told me he won't bully anymore. I was sure it was a trick to catch me by surprise and I kept carrying a knife. In the ends it appears he told the truth but nonetheless when I met him 10 years later , I can tell you there was no way I would tell him where I work or where I live!
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I think psychologically they were sociopaths! 😮😢😢😢
The crime will be 99 years old tomorrow.
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Which of them was Leopold and which was Loeb?
Nathan Leopold was a linguist, which means he was "Judd" in the movie. At the restaurant he says he speaks 14 languages. Loeb was the leader, the darer, the more cynical and the more contemptuous. Outgoing and friendly, opposite of Leopold, at least his public persona was.
You can find their photos on the internet
Loeb was the better looking one.
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Yeah they sounded brilliant 👏.
Darrow committed a great injustice to the friends and families of Bobby Franks and to the first boy they considered murdering as well, really.
The execution of Leopold and Loeb would have brought those friends and families what?
i agree. They clearly deserved the death penalty, and if they were not from wealthy families, and having Darrow, they would have hanged, and they really should have.
@@markheit5870 it's called justice. They didn't even need the ransom money. A poor person or one of modest means would have gone to the gallows, so how is this fair?
@@garymorris1856 Because it was worse to spend your life in jail. I've been in jail for 5 days. It felt like 5 weeks.
@@markheit5870 It's known as closure, although, I would not expect you to understand any of this.
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I think it was sadistic and sexual and i believe they woul have gone on to kill others if they werent caught!!
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I don't understand why they do that?
some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
I would recommend watching Legal Eagle's video about True Crime, where he covered this topic.
Illuminate probably .
Because they were built that way. Don't apply logic to illogical things.
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