I'd recommend linking his video in your description, or pinning a comment with it. That way people can watch the original video, then come back to your video having seen it for themselves without your commentary so they can form their own opinions and then listen to your take. Also, it's just a good rule of thumb to link to your source material in general.
Am I missing the point? because what I understood from the video is the he is explaining why the incest trope is used in media. Basically he is explaining why this trope exists and why there is an audience that consumes these types of products. And honestly, with the movies that Netflix releases that add unnecessary plots like "step-siblings" or things like that, it's normal for someone to take a deep dive into why those kinds of stories exist in the first place. Imo, I don't think he justified it at any point.
There are multiple points through out the video where he explicitly says "if it was done better" as if there is a such things as a "better plot line" for incest. you can't make it good. there is no such thing as good incest, as he keeps trying to frame it through his entire video.
I think he means the portrayal of the story line. Are you one of those people who believe bad things should NEVER be portrayed in media? A lot of people use this arguments for rape scenes in media. If you're going to use them, write them better. Use less exploitative shots, have the inclusion actually matter to the story, acknowledge it. They did it after a few seasons of Outlander, they did it for OITNB. Bad shit happens. It's how you portray it in your story. Also, you should've watched Clueless before making the video.
i consider watching my video because i very explicitly state my opinions on incest in the media. He's talking about incest being "not good enough" talking about PLOT LINES and saying that Odie from Gossip Girl having to deal with the consequences of sleeping with his sister a "bad thing" because we was written off the show. This isn't the only time he's tried to say that incest could "be a good plot point" throughout the video and uses real life situations to defend why incest in the media should have GOOD REPRESENTATION. we dont need good rep for incest. we need things we can frown at, and make our own moral commentary at. The fact that he thinks we need all this extra stuff to make it "better" is weird asf to me
@@AlyssaPerrine Again, "better" as in better representation. Written more cohesively, with actual meaning to it. Things like rape and murder and incest and all that taboo subject matter have a history of not being written very well in Hollywood. I've watched his video, and I've watched your video. It doesn't seem like you get it. You want everything negative that happens to be covered in a 4th wall, break of immersion, third person, "this is bad!" narrative. Straight forward, cold cut. "Good representation" doesn't mean "lets make incest hot and acceptable." It means, "hey, let's portray incest with human lenses and be objective with how bad it is, while also telling a story in which it can take place." Do you get upset when people describe Thanos as a good villain because he's genocidal? Or when people describe Hans Landa as a good villain even though he's a Nazi? Or the dad from Liar, Liar (1993) because he's a rapist? Do you understand good, better, etc, have other meanings than relations to morality?
Apart from the age gap, I really don’t understand why they would have an issue with Cher and Josh - their parents were married for a bit and that’s it as far as familial connection. I’m pretty sure in Emma (which Cher is based on) the Josh character is her cousin, and in the story it’s about her realising she’d overlooked what has been right under her nose
A significant amount of the high production value adult content is filmed in LA Portland and Vancouver which actually does lead to a limited amount of representation with respect to accents. Southern accents in porn were more common in the early 2000s and i think before not really sure why but they definitely still exist. But what hes saying is they aren't as disproportionately common as the "family" theamed content.
if you're going to make a commentary video about an extremely nuanced topic, especially when trying to refute someone else's claims, i think having research and knowledge on the discussion is extremely important. for example, in the original story, juliet was 13 years old and romeo was 16-18. this is because the age was never clearly stated, rather we went off historical norms from the time. it's a shame that it seems you left your analysis at some quick google searches. saying there is no reason to "psychoanalyze incest" shows that you're not really interested in the entire matter of the original video, which kinda baffles me on why you'd even make a 41 minute video on it. incest has been historically significant throughout basically the entire existence of humanity, like he explains in his video. additionally, on the topic of incest in appalachia, it absolutely was a case of xenophobia as well as racism, due to immigrants from scotland, ireland, etc. that is xenophobia. if you didn't already state that you were uneducated on the topic i'd say your statements were simply classist. you cannot compare incest within the south to incest within hierarchies for reasons he already went through. your insults towards his intelligence and character is odd and very off-putting. a mature topic deserves a mature response, with a lot more thought put into your claims
what made you think this was a commentary video? I never stated that and went out of my way to clarify that i WASN'T providing sources or anything. This video was made to rant about a video i didn't like. simple as.
Adding the disclaimer before anyone else comments this: YES! THIS VIDEO HAS SO SOURCES!! IT IS A REVIEW OF ANDREW MORRIS' VIDEO. I literally state as much at 1:03. Something else I state is that my videos are based about FEELINGS, AND OPINIONS. Mine specifically. If you can't handle an old fashioned review where I turn what could've been a 3k word comment into a 40 minute video, then don't watch! It's that simple!
I tried to listen to his video because I thought he was just going to be talking about media's weird thing with incest. Like with porn hub and anime. And talk about the history of it in media. Then he went on a weird stran of thoughts so i stopped watching.
you heard a disclaimer of me saying this was based on opinions and feelings and then got mad when i didnt watch 5+ 2 hour long videos just to talk about why i think this guy is an idiot? I don't need to watch the movies to know how i feel about his video, and neither did any of the commenters.
i feel like a lot of the time you start analyzing his jokes when you can just say they're not funny. i thought the original video was neat enough (it was mostly my background noise while i drew, fwiw) and edgy jokes aren't really fun for everybody, so i can understand that, but i think pausing to give them real analytical thought sort of makes your critique seem pedantic on top of making your videos a bit longer. i do think it's weird he never really goes back much to the psychological flirting we do with this topic, but i also think it's pretty apparent that he never actually supports incest, or at least doesn't talk about supporting it in real life. he discusses ways it's used interestingly as a narrative trope versus ways it's included in a less impactful way that seems to lean more into fetishy tones. further evidenced by him straight up making a joke that you yourself acknowledged where he was comparing it to inappropriate relations with minors. you yourself wrote and link a fic tagged with S/A mentions/inclusion, would you not hope if someone were using similarly strong topics that they had a solid and justifiable plot to warrant something so serious that effects people's lives really deeply? i don't think it'd be fair to dismiss your story for including that just because i don't think S/A is right in real life. you say that's "not your point" but when you say stuff like "Either you're okay with ____ or you're not" that feels a bit disingenuous? or at least inconsistent. breaking societal norms and bringing up societal norms shortly after help...prove a point on those norms being broken? he's using real world parallels because these are fictional worlds based off and referencing real world nuances? iunno, i'm not particularly invested in your take on an informative and watchability standpoint for your argument, so maybe you are making a lot of sense to yourself, but this video's...rough. feels rough. you can most definitely make your points more effectively. and when you find a way to do that in this video format, i'll probably praise you for it. but in the meantime...eh.
for the joke part, it might not help that i'm autistic so i tend to take jokes at face value, and take them very literally. he makes a joke and my brain goes "um. but...that isn't true..." which is a valid thing to critique for me because it's not useful. i also call out his minor joke because it DOES make no sense. the correlation is a stretch, and doesn't relate to incest at all. It's literally a strawman of saying "well if you like this one thing, that TOTALLY means you defend the other thing, too!!" i personally viewed it as him defending incest, but i think that because of the way he's downplaying IRL incest and offering more solutions for media to portray it in an "interesting" and "intriguing" angle which just puts me off MASSIVELY. thats just who i am! its okay to not be that way, or to be as you said, more edgy! lastly, this video didnt have a point. the entire point was how i felt about his video, and my opinions on it. not every will agree, and that's life! i will explain why i felt that way, and hope people understand. they dont have to agree, but coming to a mutual understanding is always nice! I stated at the start of the video that i was uneducated on the topic, and that i wouldnt be providing sources like i do in my other videos. This wasn't meant to be informative, it was simply a reply about one video that i disliked! i've seen other youtubers doing it (MARKIE specifically) and i found it an interesting format of talking about a video, so this was my own take on it! its quite alright that you arent a fan :)
Though I dont recommend watching this video, i will be linking it below so that everyone can have a chance to dissect it in their own form!! Thanks for listening to me rage for 40 minutes
I'd recommend linking his video in your description, or pinning a comment with it. That way people can watch the original video, then come back to your video having seen it for themselves without your commentary so they can form their own opinions and then listen to your take. Also, it's just a good rule of thumb to link to your source material in general.
added it on!
I fully agree with your statement.
Am I missing the point? because what I understood from the video is the he is explaining why the incest trope is used in media. Basically he is explaining why this trope exists and why there is an audience that consumes these types of products. And honestly, with the movies that Netflix releases that add unnecessary plots like "step-siblings" or things like that, it's normal for someone to take a deep dive into why those kinds of stories exist in the first place.
Imo, I don't think he justified it at any point.
There are multiple points through out the video where he explicitly says "if it was done better" as if there is a such things as a "better plot line" for incest. you can't make it good. there is no such thing as good incest, as he keeps trying to frame it through his entire video.
I think he means the portrayal of the story line. Are you one of those people who believe bad things should NEVER be portrayed in media?
A lot of people use this arguments for rape scenes in media. If you're going to use them, write them better. Use less exploitative shots, have the inclusion actually matter to the story, acknowledge it. They did it after a few seasons of Outlander, they did it for OITNB.
Bad shit happens. It's how you portray it in your story.
Also, you should've watched Clueless before making the video.
@AlyssaPerrine "doing It better" means not doing It not making good incest
i consider watching my video because i very explicitly state my opinions on incest in the media. He's talking about incest being "not good enough" talking about PLOT LINES and saying that Odie from Gossip Girl having to deal with the consequences of sleeping with his sister a "bad thing" because we was written off the show. This isn't the only time he's tried to say that incest could "be a good plot point" throughout the video and uses real life situations to defend why incest in the media should have GOOD REPRESENTATION.
we dont need good rep for incest. we need things we can frown at, and make our own moral commentary at. The fact that he thinks we need all this extra stuff to make it "better" is weird asf to me
@@AlyssaPerrine Again, "better" as in better representation. Written more cohesively, with actual meaning to it. Things like rape and murder and incest and all that taboo subject matter have a history of not being written very well in Hollywood. I've watched his video, and I've watched your video. It doesn't seem like you get it.
You want everything negative that happens to be covered in a 4th wall, break of immersion, third person, "this is bad!" narrative. Straight forward, cold cut.
"Good representation" doesn't mean "lets make incest hot and acceptable." It means, "hey, let's portray incest with human lenses and be objective with how bad it is, while also telling a story in which it can take place."
Do you get upset when people describe Thanos as a good villain because he's genocidal? Or when people describe Hans Landa as a good villain even though he's a Nazi? Or the dad from Liar, Liar (1993) because he's a rapist?
Do you understand good, better, etc, have other meanings than relations to morality?
Yeah, that video title of his was intense clickbait. I sat through it and realized half-way through that I got baited.
it was actually insane
As someone from the south, family has been here for multiple generations, WE DO NOT SUPPORT THIS GROSS STUFF
Apart from the age gap, I really don’t understand why they would have an issue with Cher and Josh - their parents were married for a bit and that’s it as far as familial connection.
I’m pretty sure in Emma (which Cher is based on) the Josh character is her cousin, and in the story it’s about her realising she’d overlooked what has been right under her nose
A significant amount of the high production value adult content is filmed in LA Portland and Vancouver which actually does lead to a limited amount of representation with respect to accents. Southern accents in porn were more common in the early 2000s and i think before not really sure why but they definitely still exist. But what hes saying is they aren't as disproportionately common as the "family" theamed content.
if you're going to make a commentary video about an extremely nuanced topic, especially when trying to refute someone else's claims, i think having research and knowledge on the discussion is extremely important. for example, in the original story, juliet was 13 years old and romeo was 16-18. this is because the age was never clearly stated, rather we went off historical norms from the time. it's a shame that it seems you left your analysis at some quick google searches. saying there is no reason to "psychoanalyze incest" shows that you're not really interested in the entire matter of the original video, which kinda baffles me on why you'd even make a 41 minute video on it. incest has been historically significant throughout basically the entire existence of humanity, like he explains in his video. additionally, on the topic of incest in appalachia, it absolutely was a case of xenophobia as well as racism, due to immigrants from scotland, ireland, etc. that is xenophobia. if you didn't already state that you were uneducated on the topic i'd say your statements were simply classist. you cannot compare incest within the south to incest within hierarchies for reasons he already went through. your insults towards his intelligence and character is odd and very off-putting. a mature topic deserves a mature response, with a lot more thought put into your claims
what made you think this was a commentary video? I never stated that and went out of my way to clarify that i WASN'T providing sources or anything. This video was made to rant about a video i didn't like. simple as.
Adding the disclaimer before anyone else comments this: YES! THIS VIDEO HAS SO SOURCES!! IT IS A REVIEW OF ANDREW MORRIS' VIDEO. I literally state as much at 1:03. Something else I state is that my videos are based about FEELINGS, AND OPINIONS. Mine specifically. If you can't handle an old fashioned review where I turn what could've been a 3k word comment into a 40 minute video, then don't watch! It's that simple!
I tried to listen to his video because I thought he was just going to be talking about media's weird thing with incest. Like with porn hub and anime. And talk about the history of it in media. Then he went on a weird stran of thoughts so i stopped watching.
Just watch the movie next time. Your take on his commentary sounded very shallow in the sense that you yourself didn't do proper research.
you heard a disclaimer of me saying this was based on opinions and feelings and then got mad when i didnt watch 5+ 2 hour long videos just to talk about why i think this guy is an idiot? I don't need to watch the movies to know how i feel about his video, and neither did any of the commenters.
@@AlyssaPerrine Mad is an over statement it sounded that you didn't give him a fair shot and turned words around.
i look his words as he said them. Literally the words he said.
@@AlyssaPerrine Lets stop here. You arent open for a different view.
Why would I be?
i feel like a lot of the time you start analyzing his jokes when you can just say they're not funny. i thought the original video was neat enough (it was mostly my background noise while i drew, fwiw) and edgy jokes aren't really fun for everybody, so i can understand that, but i think pausing to give them real analytical thought sort of makes your critique seem pedantic on top of making your videos a bit longer.
i do think it's weird he never really goes back much to the psychological flirting we do with this topic, but i also think it's pretty apparent that he never actually supports incest, or at least doesn't talk about supporting it in real life. he discusses ways it's used interestingly as a narrative trope versus ways it's included in a less impactful way that seems to lean more into fetishy tones.
further evidenced by him straight up making a joke that you yourself acknowledged where he was comparing it to inappropriate relations with minors.
you yourself wrote and link a fic tagged with S/A mentions/inclusion, would you not hope if someone were using similarly strong topics that they had a solid and justifiable plot to warrant something so serious that effects people's lives really deeply? i don't think it'd be fair to dismiss your story for including that just because i don't think S/A is right in real life. you say that's "not your point" but when you say stuff like "Either you're okay with ____ or you're not" that feels a bit disingenuous? or at least inconsistent.
breaking societal norms and bringing up societal norms shortly after help...prove a point on those norms being broken? he's using real world parallels because these are fictional worlds based off and referencing real world nuances?
iunno, i'm not particularly invested in your take on an informative and watchability standpoint for your argument, so maybe you are making a lot of sense to yourself, but this video's...rough. feels rough. you can most definitely make your points more effectively. and when you find a way to do that in this video format, i'll probably praise you for it. but in the meantime...eh.
for the joke part, it might not help that i'm autistic so i tend to take jokes at face value, and take them very literally. he makes a joke and my brain goes "um. but...that isn't true..." which is a valid thing to critique for me because it's not useful. i also call out his minor joke because it DOES make no sense. the correlation is a stretch, and doesn't relate to incest at all. It's literally a strawman of saying "well if you like this one thing, that TOTALLY means you defend the other thing, too!!"
i personally viewed it as him defending incest, but i think that because of the way he's downplaying IRL incest and offering more solutions for media to portray it in an "interesting" and "intriguing" angle which just puts me off MASSIVELY. thats just who i am! its okay to not be that way, or to be as you said, more edgy!
lastly, this video didnt have a point. the entire point was how i felt about his video, and my opinions on it. not every will agree, and that's life! i will explain why i felt that way, and hope people understand. they dont have to agree, but coming to a mutual understanding is always nice!
I stated at the start of the video that i was uneducated on the topic, and that i wouldnt be providing sources like i do in my other videos. This wasn't meant to be informative, it was simply a reply about one video that i disliked! i've seen other youtubers doing it (MARKIE specifically) and i found it an interesting format of talking about a video, so this was my own take on it! its quite alright that you arent a fan :)
What was this guys point even I don’t understand
Did he think he was making sense or something
it started out as anti incest but turned into him talking about how, as long as the plot is good, then we should accept it in the media
@@AlyssaPerrine it mostly just sounded like glorification of incest
Though I dont recommend watching this video, i will be linking it below so that everyone can have a chance to dissect it in their own form!! Thanks for listening to me rage for 40 minutes
Thank you