How to Roll Turns Like a Pro (Group Riding 101)
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In this video today we will discuss riding in a bunch or group, analysing one of the top professional road cyclists in the world, Caleb Ewan.
In this video we will discuss how far off the wheel should you be for optimal draft gains, while also trying to keep it safe. What is the best way to roll a turn in a cycling bunch, including some examples of not what to do. Best practices when rolling in a bunch, analysing the way Caleb Ewan in detail.
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Hi all, this is a video I published on my personal TH-cam channel four years ago! Hence why Caleb is in Lotto gear. It's a video that doesn't get views anymore but it's information that's evergreen. Hence why we thought we'd pull it from the depths of TH-cam and give it another run on the RCA channel. So apologies if you've seen it before, but for those that haven't, I hope you get value / enjoy. If this video does well, there's a few more I can pull from the depths. Cheers, Cam
It explains the questionable video editing, you've upped your game so much since :) helpful video, didn't realise there had been studies of cyclists drag reduction
Thank you for reposting! I'm just starting out racing with no prior group riding experience. I did my first crit last week, and although I understand the basics of riding in a bunch this video covered some of the subtleties in a great, practical way to build on that basic knowledge.
I thought this video looked familiar :)
What do you use now for a camera / overlay?
I agree about being predictable, but let’s not forget that it’s also equally important to be prepared to deal with events that aren’t.
Very often in bunch ride, we get so caught up in the “flow” of the ride, that we aren’t ready or able to respond immediately to adverse situations.
So, in a nutshell, yes, there is an ideal distance for the draft. But I’d recommend leaving that, and then some more. Leave that extra wiggle room for emergency manoeuvres so that you can jam brake, swerve away from sudden obstructions, bunny hop over stuff, whatever. If you can’t keep up with the bunch ride the moment you lose the draft, you shouldn’t be riding with them in the first place. The draft is just there to make the ride easier, not make the ride, possible.
The chance of an injury/accident from a decreased response time for the sake of a “better draft” experience, just isn’t worth it imo. We are casual riders, not pros who live of cycling as a career. We work a main job to support riding as a hobby. Don’t every forget that
Yes good point.
Just by watching the last minute of the video, my Garmin recommended me 72 hours of recovery.
Good video, Cam. Being a good wheel will earn you much respect from your fellow cyclists. Bonus points for pointing out road hazards.
I done one of these once, local to myself and Bradley Wiggins was on it and it was incredible to see him, he was not only ultra-perfectly positioned on the cycle but watching him was fascinating...such an incredible ride that!
Good video. Its riders who surge who grind my gears. If riders treated the chain like a bungy chord with the aim of not stretching it out things would be vastly improved. When a rider at the front surges the chord/chain stretches out and each rider has to wait for the rider directly in front of them to get up to pace. The knock on for the other riders is obvious.
people who make sudden surges because all they care about is their average speed. Ugh.
Maybe your just to weak to keep up 😂
I only ride alone, but i found this video quite informative.
Predictability, most definitely. But the other thing that comes to mind, may be in that same category, is when you've done your turn don't drop like a rock. It disrupts so much of the slower moving line, forces riders to sprint when getting back on the fast moving line, etc.
On the topic of distance from the wheel in front, on days I don't feel 100% I aim to stay close to the wheel in front, when that rider pulls through I have a much shorter turn. Days when I feel good, if there's a bigger gap I feel ok taking bit of a longer turn to clear the rider that's pulled through.
It's been ages since I've done group rides and races, but I can still feel the sting of grovelling on winter rides in rain and head winds, trying to hold that wheel that's surged in front of you!
Video is full of great info, awesome content, thanks for sharing!!
I've shared this video to the club FB page. 🤞
Love your videos. Nutrition, riding, bike fitting... Very entertaining, informative and professional. This video in particular is very useful. A lot of riders overlook important details in group rides and this makes the experience more dangerous and less enjoyable. Good idea to re-post this. Thank you.
Good stuff Cam! Watched it again and still fine it very good and informative 🙂
Great advices & explanation! 👌👍
Loved this and shared with my group ride. Thank you.
Such a good vid mate
Thanks Cam for sharing!!
Ahhhh the sweet Caleb music 😂
i've stopped bunch riding for my own safety. Not knowing what's infront or behind, not knowing what other riders will do (like in your example).... just isn't worth it.
Oddly no mention of dealing with crosswinds. That is kind of what this is strategy is all about... Makes me sus....
1) rotate into the direction of the wind
2) The lane rotating forward is not changing speed, but rather the lane rotating back is slightly slower.
If done correctly, the people rotating back are just absorbing the wind naturally. If you rtotate away from* the wind, the people sheltered will never move back.
Yes, a good point as a generalisation for pace lines. So that could have been brought into the chat. Although you'll find many local group rides consistently roll away from traffic for safety and simplicity.
@@roadcyclingacademy a rotating pace line that doesn’t consider the wind is pointless.
@@JNorth87 staying safe when riding with a lot of traffic trumps the speed benefits
@@АнтонАлексеенко_044 if you can’t rotate correctly then there is no safe way to do it.
@@JNorth87Not everyone is elite pro like you. So, simplicity is safety.
you are wrong at @2:40. He saw a triathlete, which are known for their excellent handling skills, and decided to avoid any potential risks
He's an elite level Ultra Distance rider that people know, so in this case I feel it was just a matter of closing a gap. Cheers
What?! 😂 known for their good handling skills?! LMFAO... y e a h... ok
@@rider65 try to read my comment again...
How come you roll “forwards”? I’ve only ever seen pace lines rotate backwards. I assumed rotations were always backwards as it’s easier to join on the back at the correct distance from the rider in front.
Maybe an Aussie thing? I am from Eu (Croatia) and we always rolled backwards like you say....took me some time to know when to roll in on Aussie group rides
sigh. wish this was still taught at the beginner level.
What we get when this isn't taught are the unpredictable guy times as many people are in the paceline.
or the opposite where one person is doing all the work and everyone gradually slows down as the person pulling gets tired.
Also don't turn up to a group gride on a tt bike.
Where and what time is the ride?
How did you stay on his wheel when he sprinted?
I didn't, I was dropped. Cam
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What song is at the end, please!
Not sure, it's pulled from the TH-cam library as the one we had got penalised.
Well, now you know why I don't ride in a paceline anymore.
Cyclists’ bad reputation due to some cowboy riders is sooo true.
What the Hell is a Centimeter???
50km/h wth! How 😅😅😮
Luke Plapp .
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There are old riders and bold riders, but there ain’t no old and bold riders!
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