What I like most about interviews like these is, the younger generation get to be brought up to speed on happenings in the music industry from back in the day considering they don’t go back to learn about Hip Hop like we did/do.
Not really for example Jermaine Dupri writes hits for lots of ppl . Ppl that write hit don’t just do it for one person that’s why his story isn’t believable
Jd had his father in the business…. It almost happen to ice cube but he had smart people behind him most don’t have people behind them already knowing the game
@@SMthaodyessy Ali had a record deal before he even met Nelly and brought Nelly in the game . So how did Nelly know to put his name on the credits but Ali did make it make sense
Don’t believe everything this guy is saying man. Here is part of the lie right here. He said he wrote everything except for the 2 songs right? Nelly shopped his demo that was done with the help of cuda love. Demo was 4 songs. All 4 songs made the first album. 2 of the songs feature the tics. The other 2 did not. The 2 songs weren’t written by Ali they were done with help of cuda. So that’s 2 songs right there he didn’t write. The song country grammar, Ali gave part of 2 bars that Nelly used in the song. He asked the tics to get on it. They didn’t like it, wanted no part of it. He finished the song without them , recorded it, dj played it in club later that night. Now he talking he wrote that song cause Nelly used 2 lines he said that you didn’t care about. Now the song blow up, u want to be apart of it. The label didn’t want to pay them to be on the album. The members threatened to pull their verses off of Nelly album. Nelly paid them out of his money. Universal paid for Nelly publishing from that crappy label Ali forced them to sign . He manipulated Nelly to sign it. Being they were gonna take Nelly off of gimme what you got. Ali never got his publishing from that crappy company. Soooo anything Ali did for verse on country grammar went to his publishing company. But him writing everything is a big lie.
Selling one’s self is arguably the most essential part of show business. Nelly was the person to sell the flow. Ali wrote flows that worked. The problem is that they didn’t work out the splits and did homeboy business. Ultimately, the writers room is not irreplaceable.
That writers room better be right tho ‼️‼️‼️ n Nelly fell off quick ‼️‼️‼️‼️ why ? We love him n Ali NOT HIM... Nelly can be stupid if he wants be he needed that man
Ali was a former business partner of mine and we're still good to this day......that being said, Ali has showed me SEVERAL REFERENCE tracks. if actually listen listen u can tell the difference in writing styles verse by verse on nelly's country grammar
@@SuitYourselfT I was never there when they recorded. I handled marketing for Derrty ent artists that were on the come up. I just know he showed me several reference tracks
I like how he pointed out the “manicured toes” line was Nelly’s. That’s his way of saying, “Look, I know manicures are for hands, and pedicures are for feet!” 😂😂😂
Sound dumb as hell so when ppl say refer to their grass as being manicured is that for fingers too or does common sense allows you to know wtf he talking about
Nellyville had just as many hits and that's the album with Dilemma, Air force Ones, hot in here, pimp juice, etc. Even Sweat and Suit had hits on them.
Funny thing is if he wasn’t so concerned wit his guys and branched out and did the same thing around the country he had a chance to be. It’s a such thing as being loyal to a fault
Actually! Nelly did admit Country Grammar the album originally was supposed to be a St. Lunatics album but no major labels liked the group at the time.
Ali didn't want none of that because he just wanted all of them to make it. Nelly was the start but when one made it they all made it so that like he said he was good with 10 million out of 150 million because he was not greedy. That his brother and he didn't care about anything else. He wanted nelly to work out differences and bring the boys back but a lot of stuff happened and even between them two and that's why Ali is saying in hindsight if he knew things would go this way he would have looked out for himself a little more.
I'm from saint louis so this hurts til this day that the group fell apart. I kean you still have homies within the group but as a unit they are no more. They would've went platinum again off our city alone in support
@@cliffdewind1389 Ali ain't lying if u kno u kno but the natural thing to do is to believe the more famous. Truth is if it wasn't for the tics it wouldn't be a Nelly but if it wasn't for Nelly it wouldn't be a tics. If it wasn't for ali it wouldn't be neither.
He knows the rhymes like the back of his hand and delivers it with passion, I believe every word he’s saying. Nelly is the one who can sell the records and Ali is the 👻 writer behind the scene.
@@NenskiTrillsame reason Quentin Miller never blew up, gillie never blew up. The lox wrote a lot of bad boy hits but they never got the shine or money puff got. It's usually 1 or 2 reasons the writers don't blow up. 1 they don't have the sauce, the flare, the swagger, the voice or the look or 2 the label doesn't put the money behind them like the bigger artist. Gotta remember this wasn't the golden age of social media where access to producers, engineers, djs, radio personalities and fans was at the touch of a finger. More often than not there was a major drop off in quality and promotion if the label wasn't pushing you and that alone would keep most writers on the shelf.
😂😂 it wasn’t cuz you were a shorty, it was because you are dumb. The song is in nursery rhyme form and you couldn’t understand the lyrics? 🤣🤣🤣 don’t tell anyone else this
I was once signed to a major label and signed an artist contract, although my role in the group was primarily producing. By signing the artist contract, that would've allowed me to collect any money from royalties, personal appearances, live shows, etc. The unfortunate thing was trusting people that you actually thought had your best interests at heart. Needless to say, I saw no proceeds even after the company received over 5 million dollars. I lost the desire for the music business and truly believe if I didn't, I would either be dead or locked up for hurting somebody.
Ali signed the paperwork and was happy with the 10racks or so at the time. He didn't believe in Nelly that it would blow up. Honor the signature yalla.
I never knew this . This would explain why the quality of Nelly's music started to fall off after that Nellyville album. Country grammar,Free City,Murphy's Law was fire. Ali's solo album was okay but it didn't have that mainstream hit that could've pushed it higher.
@@litothegoat7 There's not many rappers that are on 🔥 for 10 years straight bro 😂 what Drake is doing right now is an anomaly. That's not normal. From 2000 to about 05 06 was nellys run. Then the climate of music changed. Rap changes every 3 to 5 years and if u cant adapt u not gone last. Last shit I heard nelly on that was 🔥 was that Rick ross hear I am shit like 08.
@@litothegoat7 And if u saying this to say ALI wrote all his shit, it's 🧢 cause Ali was with nelly the whole way thrue until bout 2020. So if Ali was so nice with the pen and writing all nelly shit why he ain't keep the hits coming for nelly then?? Shit don't even add up. Murphey Lee already said Ali didn't write nellys verses on vladtv.
This is plausible because Nelly had the look, the swag, and the star quality. Ali had the rhymes. He figured they all would eventually be taken care of. 🤷🏽♀️
@@deecee9946because the truth you don’t want to admit is fans, most likely you included, are fickle. There’s a look you need to have to succeed. Just like today. Every looks and sounds the same. It’s called marketing! We even know what color makes you hungry! Lmao. So they give you an image you will accept. Ali could have performed all that and people wouldn’t have accepted him
Ali had all the lunatics sign 100% their publishing over to D2 before Nelly blew.. Thats what he’s not filling yall in on….If they were in the credits all proceeds would’ve went to D2.
Bro said… “I don’t want a billion dollars, I’m trying to get back to the Dollar Store. You got 100 million, I’m cool with $10, I ain’t want all dat”. 🤥
Ali should’ve properly secured his publishing through ASCAP early on. Had he done that, he wouldn’t be having this conversation right now. It’s more to this shit than people actually know about though. Everybody in the group’s publishing was f’d up from the beginning and it wasn’t Mo’s/Nelly’s fault. Listen back to the song Summer InThe City where Kujaun said “Now I sacrificed my life for publishing rights, hoping everything gon be alright.” Ali knows that he had everybody’s publishing in the beginning, but that shit backfired when Universal Records said that they wanted Nelly to be the front man for the group. That’s when the tables turned. Do your research! Ali going after the wrong person. Go after Universal, and good luck with that!
The fact that Nelly recently SOLD his catelog for over 50 million…..The “Riff” is…Nelly is NOT giving them ANY of the money from selling those songs that “They” all wrote…..thats what Im getting from all this……but I could be wrong
There are several single writers. Read a Rakim, Kane, Slick Rick and others album credits. The lyrics are all written by them. The tracks are sampled, so, you will see shared credit due to the sampling. But again, the lyrics are those artists. I won't even switch over to Rock and R&B, Prince, for example. One name on those albums. Written, Composed, Produced ALL by Prince. Now that's insane. He use bands for touring purposes only.
This is exactly why we was not supposed to integrate. If we still had to only live amongst ourselves our love for one another would be totally different
He's not mentioning that them bad contracts he had them sign, none of them had any publishing on that first album. The management team that they signed with, owned 100% of all they publishing. Nelly bought his back for $75, 000. He wouldn't have got any $$ from that first album as far as publishing, it would have went to D2.
Yup D2 still own their publishing til this, Nelly was really lucky to get his back that low at $75 grand back then, since D2 was an local independent label in St Louis and he didn't know Nelly was gonna blow up.
@@silence6813 rite... after D2 seeing Nelly blow like dat u kno D2 wasn't going to sell the rest of them 100% of dey publishing back. Murph nem mite got a percentage bak. D2 probably still got a percentage of the rest of dey publishing tho.
Of Nelly wanted to he could have easily signed that Universal contract and not try to help the group get a deal also, but he convinced the label to give the others a deal.
I was a huge Nelly fan and never knew this but this honestly makes sense. He was perfect as the face of the group and for Ali’s bars. Like Drake and Quentin Miller
Stop it, Quentin Miller is a credited cowriter on one album. Drake wrote a gang of number 1 hit records before Quentin came into the picture. He had three albums before this guy. Drake also writes for other people
to all the young upcoming artist this is a learning season. no matter how cool and tight you are, coming up, and people use the word family, and you know there the face and your the writer make sure your paper work is right 1st, if not they will turn on you when the get big, and can find another writer and you can be replaced. and they will still have star power. not saying that what nelly did. but look at alot if group and label starting out, 5-10 years later they grow apart.
A lot of top rap artists don't write their own rhymes and the ghost writer won't get credit. This even happens with producers. This has been going on for years. 6:44
He lying because he’s not mentioning the fact that he signed a bad publishing deal, which he told Nelly to sign as well. When Nelly blew up, he bought his publishing back. And D2 still owns Ali publishing that’s why he didn’t want his name in the credits. He knew those deals were bad and still sign so he could put his song out, and tried to fuck up nelly career as well. But when Covid came and that tour money slowed down, then he started to beef with Nelly because he depended on Nelly because his career didn’t go nowhere. If he wrote Nelly a diamond album.. how come he couldn’t write him one???
Ali just took the Show Money/Nellys lil payments to him as he mentioned here and he was good with that. He avoided his prior 100% publishing D2 deal by not mentioning the writing credits but he should of Saved up & bought out the contract like Nelly did. He was thinking Short term & not Long term which is why he is Screwed today. Also makes sense why he hung around Nelly so long at least until the 2020 Verses before they fell out. He was dependent on Nelly for show/tour money bc he has No publishing/royalties on nothing. As Nelly Mentioned in his interview, He simply didnt take care of his Business.
@@Loch1210yes. Bc when he did the versus with ludacris, Ali was having a one sided beef with Luda and Nelly said man cut it out bc this is for the culture plus they already squashed it and Ali keep going. Plus Ali, wanted to put his songs in a certain order and Nelly said it don’t matter we just going to play songs. So he got mad
I love this dude as an interviewer , it's just that sometimes he will stop his guests' thoughts to put himself into it as opposed to waiting for them to complete their thought. Like toy cut off a story to ask a question, and then it rerouted it
Listen even if they homies, me and my homie would have said, bro we putting u on writing credits... Fuck that, but you will allow him/yall to put the white boy on the writing credits, but not the homie... Stop, u lying are yall wasn't never homies. I don't care if you my 5000 homie ain't no white boy getting credit and my homie not 😡😡😡... Wherrre they tru that at!!! Damn sho not THE SAINT LOC I KNOW... NIGGA PLEASE
If you were around someone and performed everyone of these songs For YEARS, wouldn’t you be able to say those line word for word!!! Ali and the Tics jumped off the porch and signed a contract without Nelly even knowing.. Ali wanted to be the leader and he’s bitter that the PEOPLE and the Labels wanted Nelly.. Nelly took care of them for YEARS.. and now that the MONEY has stopped.. Now he wrote all of his hits!! COME ON MAN!!!
He’s Definitely Telling Truth when u have 6 or seven heads in a Studio Session… Everybody have ideas & Bounce Thoughts & words off Each Other… like he said that’s part of Being a Group, This Ain’t No Different Then 50 cent Writing All Those Hits for The Game First Album Only Difference is We All knew 50 Was a Great Song writer Before game came out!!!💯
@@TheFreshSoundsFlorida he is a big guy but I didn't even say it because of that lol I'm saying it because he sounds like he doesn't believe Ali Nelly was never a Lyricist even though his beats for his first album were trash if you just listen to his lyrics Ali got barz
@@meladgoat the only difference is nas gets a pass but drake don't I know drake has wrote for himself and others same as kanye my favorite kanye song "all falls down" is only him but they get an asterisk because it's been publicized
yea you right. both drake and nas have written for others. i give them both a pass but i also accept that it is what it is.them getting assistance doesn't take away from what they can do on there own.@@KobaniacMinded
As a rapper who could Only freestyle I understand an the came together as a collective the stlunitics an sold them records. He’s no Drake. He came up with those guys
@@DoMeDoMyNDoI3490 That’s an R&B album. 50’s album will probably go diamond soon as well. Country Grammar was Nelly’s debut into the music world. Dude came out of nowhere.
I’m so disappointed in this segment. I just watched Nelly interview on another outlet and he made a rock solid point. The reason Ali never got paid publishing is because D2, the local company they signed those fucked up contracts with, owned 100% of his publishing. All while Nelly bought his back for $75K. So either Ali was hoping for a side deal by not putting his name on the project or he really didn’t write it. Either way it shows how he practiced bad business all after being involved in prior deals and contracts. Prez is dope. He always interviews the Pilar’s of the culture. But I’m disappointed that he didn’t get this fact into the interview. Because it’s unfathomable that someone could write a diamond album and not be compensated a dime. If he didn’t complain 25 years ago why complain now? If your pen was so prolific why didn’t his solo shit hit? Why didn’t his shit with Gipp hit? There’s always another side to the story. You can write diamond for another guy but you wrote a brick for yourself? Make that make sense.
I can understand the part of maybe his publishing was signed away but as far as his writing; he may not be the best person for the delivery butt that doesn't take away from his penmenship
dude wasn’t charismatic enough to make hits for himself, Nelly was obviously the star, and murphy had star potential as well, they fumbled his marketing, after that no one cared about the rest of the lunatics
As a former rapper who only could freestyle an had a nice voice I understand. I could spit a cold ten, but could never write a solid hook or finish a verse with consistency. I use too pray for someone too help me write songs an my producer was a white boy who had nice beats but no flow at all. I actually went out an purchased that album an knew the songs word for word I totally believe him. Nelly could sell a record an I’m sure everything Nelly was spitting was fire he just Needed some help. I also appreciate how he told the story. I don’t think any less of Nelly an he’s not in the drake category for me
When you tryna make it to be successful you don’t give af about who u give a verse to or any of that especially when you’re a team Ali definitely was a real one if he had his publishing for those songs he’ll be rich asf every song he wrote on Country grammar was fire
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That’s exactly why friendship and business DO NOT mix .. Always get your writing credits and own your publishing!
E.I was lit
That’s what Nelly did this dude bs
Nelly put him on
Ali needs to stop lying and tell the truth he didn’t know what he was doing and had them sign their publishing away and couldn’t get it back
Honestly, he was so humble and respectful to Nelly's skills while voicing his truth. I rate this!
Man this dude lien don’t believe everything
Ali wrote but Nelly had the charisma The personality Delivery
equal matchup 💯!
The difference is that he didn't get credited for his work.
😂 obviously 😂
Nah. The words did all of that. The melody. Not Nelly.
Nelly wrote everything.. Ali cap
What I like most about interviews like these is, the younger generation get to be brought up to speed on happenings in the music industry from back in the day considering they don’t go back to learn about Hip Hop like we did/do.
This actually happens a lot throughout music history.
Not really for example Jermaine Dupri writes hits for lots of ppl . Ppl that write hit don’t just do it for one person that’s why his story isn’t believable
Jd had his father in the business…. It almost happen to ice cube but he had smart people behind him most don’t have people behind them already knowing the game
@@teemglobe Ice Cube didn’t have anyone around him like that at that time
@@deesee2051if you are ignorant in the music Industry then it can definitely happen.
@@SMthaodyessy Ali had a record deal before he even met Nelly and brought Nelly in the game . So how did Nelly know to put his name on the credits but Ali did make it make sense
People don’t realize how many main artists had other people writing their rhymes.
Yes we DO
More like pop artists lol. Dre Chronic 2000 written by Jay Z...
Don’t believe everything this guy is saying man. Here is part of the lie right here. He said he wrote everything except for the 2 songs right? Nelly shopped his demo that was done with the help of cuda love. Demo was 4 songs. All 4 songs made the first album. 2 of the songs feature the tics. The other 2 did not. The 2 songs weren’t written by Ali they were done with help of cuda. So that’s 2 songs right there he didn’t write. The song country grammar, Ali gave part of 2 bars that Nelly used in the song. He asked the tics to get on it. They didn’t like it, wanted no part of it. He finished the song without them , recorded it, dj played it in club later that night. Now he talking he wrote that song cause Nelly used 2 lines he said that you didn’t care about. Now the song blow up, u want to be apart of it. The label didn’t want to pay them to be on the album. The members threatened to pull their verses off of Nelly album. Nelly paid them out of his money. Universal paid for Nelly publishing from that crappy label Ali forced them to sign . He manipulated Nelly to sign it. Being they were gonna take Nelly off of gimme what you got. Ali never got his publishing from that crappy company. Soooo anything Ali did for verse on country grammar went to his publishing company. But him writing everything is a big lie.
Selling one’s self is arguably the most essential part of show business. Nelly was the person to sell the flow. Ali wrote flows that worked. The problem is that they didn’t work out the splits and did homeboy business. Ultimately, the writers room is not irreplaceable.
Best breakdown right here fam! 💯 Wish they knew enough to get the business straight in the beginning when the love and respect was intact.
That writers room better be right tho ‼️‼️‼️ n Nelly fell off quick ‼️‼️‼️‼️ why ? We love him n Ali NOT HIM... Nelly can be stupid if he wants be he needed that man
Ali was a former business partner of mine and we're still good to this day......that being said, Ali has showed me SEVERAL REFERENCE tracks. if actually listen listen u can tell the difference in writing styles verse by verse on nelly's country grammar
@@SuitYourselfT I was never there when they recorded. I handled marketing for Derrty ent artists that were on the come up. I just know he showed me several reference tracks
Difference as in he didn't write it? Or you meant to say they are similar so he had to have wrote them
@@ispeakmuchohe’s saying the difference between the ones Ali wrote and the ones Nelly wrote in that album
Bro stop lying
@@knowledgebornsmith9719 who u talking too
I like how he pointed out the “manicured toes” line was Nelly’s. That’s his way of saying, “Look, I know manicures are for hands, and pedicures are for feet!” 😂😂😂
Lol
He a writer
Word
Never peeped that🤣
Sound dumb as hell so when ppl say refer to their grass as being manicured is that for fingers too or does common sense allows you to know wtf he talking about
As a ghostwriter myself, this man deserves a house and a few cars at least if y’all don’t wanna give him a percentage!!!!!
He don't deserve $hit cuz he all cap 💀
Afew house and afew cars plus afww mills
Mad respect 4 Ali after hearing Murphy lee speak on his behalf and seeing this interview. Salute! 💪🏿💯
It all makes sense now why the quality of Nelly music started to fall …..this is the hip hop history that I love
It makes sense why Ali never blew up 😂
Ali blew up off that st lunatics album,,, he fell off because they didn't make a second lunatic album,,,
Nellyville had just as many hits and that's the album with Dilemma, Air force Ones, hot in here, pimp juice, etc. Even Sweat and Suit had hits on them.
@@ericMsmith1000 Nah, he had a chance to do a solo album not sure how it didn’t bang if he claims he’s the brains behind Nelly’s music
If he can't show one notebook w his handwriting of these song lyrics it's cap. Bc rappers tend to keep all their pads & notebooks
Ali sound like the greatest A&R that never was.
Hellava comment
Spot on
HAHAHAHA
Funny thing is if he wasn’t so concerned wit his guys and branched out and did the same thing around the country he had a chance to be. It’s a such thing as being loyal to a fault
Exactly, wrong position in life
I ain't gone lie, Ali had swag and bars, but at some point you have to be selfish, and do you. You can't give your whole sauce away.
Nelly had the deal and the budget
They are friends so that's what you going to do for a friend but friends will f u over
I woulda told Nelly gimme 25 or 30k a show
@@the_i_ketcher4829 Ali was being too nice
@@the_i_ketcher4829That’s Why You Have No Rich Friends Cause You’d Extort Them.
Wow 😮. One of the biggest albums of my teen years. In this Clip it’s good that he doesn’t sound bitter
Actually! Nelly did admit Country Grammar the album originally was supposed to be a St. Lunatics album but no major labels liked the group at the time.
If he had his publishing, he would be rich as hell today
Right!
Ali didn't want none of that because he just wanted all of them to make it. Nelly was the start but when one made it they all made it so that like he said he was good with 10 million out of 150 million because he was not greedy. That his brother and he didn't care about anything else. He wanted nelly to work out differences and bring the boys back but a lot of stuff happened and even between them two and that's why Ali is saying in hindsight if he knew things would go this way he would have looked out for himself a little more.
I'm from saint louis so this hurts til this day that the group fell apart. I kean you still have homies within the group but as a unit they are no more. They would've went platinum again off our city alone in support
@@jerrondurham7309Ali don’t even own his own publishing he’s not a good businessman man
But he didn't cause he's 🧢.
I believe it. He naturally delivers those bars as if they his came from capital of his brain.
Mwaaaa..I watched the interview with Nelly on St. Louis radio..Nelly is believable too..Ali performed every song with Nelly. So this is all doubtable.
@@cliffdewind1389 Ali ain't lying if u kno u kno but the natural thing to do is to believe the more famous. Truth is if it wasn't for the tics it wouldn't be a Nelly but if it wasn't for Nelly it wouldn't be a tics. If it wasn't for ali it wouldn't be neither.
@k-9inethaboss780 dam aint think of it like that
Dawg please shut up
100%.. you can tell that’s his creation
THIS MAN WROTE A DIAMOND ALBUM, WILD.
He took the bad one huge payment instead of the publishings royalties
He deserve his bag 💯💯 those were hits 🔥🔥🔥🔥
He knows the rhymes like the back of his hand and delivers it with passion, I believe every word he’s saying. Nelly is the one who can sell the records and Ali is the 👻 writer behind the scene.
He definitely wrote those songs he’s the one from st lunatics that can actually rap
@@kadiraydukureh7680why his career never took off then?
@@NenskiTrillsame reason Quentin Miller never blew up, gillie never blew up. The lox wrote a lot of bad boy hits but they never got the shine or money puff got. It's usually 1 or 2 reasons the writers don't blow up. 1 they don't have the sauce, the flare, the swagger, the voice or the look or 2 the label doesn't put the money behind them like the bigger artist. Gotta remember this wasn't the golden age of social media where access to producers, engineers, djs, radio personalities and fans was at the touch of a finger. More often than not there was a major drop off in quality and promotion if the label wasn't pushing you and that alone would keep most writers on the shelf.
😂😂😂😂 we all know the words and rap with passion. Does that mean we all wrote it
@@kadiraydukureh7680um no. Murphy lee rapped way better than him. He and kyjuan sucked
That album came out 23 years ago and I’m just now hearing this
This is cap
He had to get it out before he die lol. Errbody old now, so now they telling the truth
Right
STL already knew. Outsiders didn't know. This isn't new for those in Da Lou
@@theriemoore I’m from the Lou and ain’t know. This album came out the year I was born
I can believe it because that was Nelly's best album and after that none of his albums sounded anything like that after it.
Much love and respect to Ali for all the lyrics to those hits and the knowledge. Real cool and humble cat.
That EI verse was hard when he just broke the lyrics down so much went over my head as a shorty 🔥🔥🔥🔥
BOY SNAPPED RIGHT 😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥
Frfr
😂😂 it wasn’t cuz you were a shorty, it was because you are dumb. The song is in nursery rhyme form and you couldn’t understand the lyrics? 🤣🤣🤣 don’t tell anyone else this
Man said aldi In 2000
Man facts was just thinking that lbs. Niggas was blackin out 😂
I definitely miss the country grammar Nellyville days. 🔥
I was once signed to a major label and signed an artist contract, although my role in the group was primarily producing. By signing the artist contract, that would've allowed me to collect any money from royalties, personal appearances, live shows, etc. The unfortunate thing was trusting people that you actually thought had your best interests at heart. Needless to say, I saw no proceeds even after the company received over 5 million dollars. I lost the desire for the music business and truly believe if I didn't, I would either be dead or locked up for hurting somebody.
What major label
Ok...
Sue😮
Ali signed the paperwork and was happy with the 10racks or so at the time. He didn't believe in Nelly that it would blow up. Honor the signature yalla.
*ALWAYS* get credit for your work!! That is YOUR responsibility!!
This man wanted to get home to soccer games and PTA meetings. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Right! That statement alone gives perspective on how much of a stand up dude Ali is.
Those parties were dangerous
Well he could have did that and made sure he was taking care of
Ali looking like Claude banks when he was stealing that whites only pie😂😂😂
This is mind blowing as a nelly fan
I never knew this . This would explain why the quality of Nelly's music started to fall off after that Nellyville album. Country grammar,Free City,Murphy's Law was fire. Ali's solo album was okay but it didn't have that mainstream hit that could've pushed it higher.
The quality fell off cause he got washed up like every other artist that reaches the top and falls down slowly 😂.
@@word183rd2nah it’s a big difference after those albums Nelly just wasn’t as good anymore Wayne never fell off drake never fell off and many others
Don't explain shit... This nigga garbage 😂
@@litothegoat7 There's not many rappers that are on 🔥 for 10 years straight bro 😂 what Drake is doing right now is an anomaly. That's not normal. From 2000 to about 05 06 was nellys run. Then the climate of music changed. Rap changes every 3 to 5 years and if u cant adapt u not gone last. Last shit I heard nelly on that was 🔥 was that Rick ross hear I am shit like 08.
@@litothegoat7 And if u saying this to say ALI wrote all his shit, it's 🧢 cause Ali was with nelly the whole way thrue until bout 2020. So if Ali was so nice with the pen and writing all nelly shit why he ain't keep the hits coming for nelly then?? Shit don't even add up. Murphey Lee already said Ali didn't write nellys verses on vladtv.
This is plausible because Nelly had the look, the swag, and the star quality. Ali had the rhymes. He figured they all would eventually be taken care of. 🤷🏽♀️
He was wrong because now look Nelly the only one eatin
There’s a cohesiveness about nellys first two album that makes me 100% believe this. Shame they couldn’t keep it together
It's a shame Nelly took advantage of his friends!
@@geraldross9430Ali didn't multiple bad buisness deals
Great Job Bro. We appreciate what you and the team put together. Brothas gotta help each other out. Peace
Mannnn that E.I song was what made me take Nelly serious as a MC 😂
😂
Man me too
E.i. goes hard to this day
He did that!
All my fav Nelly verses Ali said he wrote😂😂😂. Ali and Gip go hard
How ironic him and gipp best friend stop the cap why u ain't write yo own hooks
@@deecee9946because the truth you don’t want to admit is fans, most likely you included, are fickle. There’s a look you need to have to succeed. Just like today. Every looks and sounds the same. It’s called marketing! We even know what color makes you hungry! Lmao. So they give you an image you will accept. Ali could have performed all that and people wouldn’t have accepted him
The fact that I was 5 & knew every word to all those songs 😭 I remember so vividly.. the good days 😢
Man no BS, Ali got me damned near crying over here, ALL THAT GREATNESS GIVEN TO A SO CALLED FRIEND AND THE FRIEND JUST TAKES EVERY BIT OF IT, SMH
👿 they sold him a dream someone helped him do that
Than he wasn't a real friend and when ppl start seeing lots of money some people change
Yal slow as hell if u believe this dumb shit
Ali had all the lunatics sign 100% their publishing over to D2 before Nelly blew.. Thats what he’s not filling yall in on….If they were in the credits all proceeds would’ve went to D2.
Buck up Bart, Buck Up!!
🗣Now it all make sense. I was always wondering why Nelly other album's didn't have that same creative vibe. 🤔
😂😂😂😂😂
that's real tho, the other albums were alright but they wasn't Country Grammar
Big faxts
Lies lol nellyville was better
@@_MoneyMike_ They was all writing the lyrics to each song as a group and the only one that got paid was Nelly cause he was the face of the group! 🤣😅🤣
This one definitely going viral
Bro said… “I don’t want a billion dollars, I’m trying to get back to the Dollar Store. You got 100 million, I’m cool with $10, I ain’t want all dat”. 🤥
Ali should’ve properly secured his publishing through ASCAP early on. Had he done that, he wouldn’t be having this conversation right now. It’s more to this shit than people actually know about though. Everybody in the group’s publishing was f’d up from the beginning and it wasn’t Mo’s/Nelly’s fault. Listen back to the song Summer InThe City where Kujaun said “Now I sacrificed my life for publishing rights, hoping everything gon be alright.” Ali knows that he had everybody’s publishing in the beginning, but that shit backfired when Universal Records said that they wanted Nelly to be the front man for the group. That’s when the tables turned. Do your research! Ali going after the wrong person. Go after Universal, and good luck with that!
*Dude missed out on $30-40 million dollars in publishing rights 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️*
Damn fr 😮?
The fact that Nelly recently SOLD his catelog for over 50 million…..The “Riff” is…Nelly is NOT giving them ANY of the money from selling those songs that “They” all wrote…..thats what Im getting from all this……but I could be wrong
They had beef for over a decade lol
He only sold half, but i bet he sold the good songs!
Every writer I know in every style of writing, if it’s great, it’s a collaborative effort. As crazy as it sounds, you can’t do it alone.
Not true. Many don't need ghost to be great. Many do.
There are several single writers. Read a Rakim, Kane, Slick Rick and others album credits. The lyrics are all written by them. The tracks are sampled, so, you will see shared credit due to the sampling. But again, the lyrics are those artists. I won't even switch over to Rock and R&B, Prince, for example. One name on those albums. Written, Composed, Produced ALL by Prince. Now that's insane. He use bands for touring purposes only.
To make the hottest shit possible, lowkey you kinda right.
Jayz wrote all his songs by hisself...so did big and dmx
This is exactly why we was not supposed to integrate. If we still had to only live amongst ourselves our love for one another would be totally different
He's not mentioning that them bad contracts he had them sign, none of them had any publishing on that first album. The management team that they signed with, owned 100% of all they publishing. Nelly bought his back for $75, 000. He wouldn't have got any $$ from that first album as far as publishing, it would have went to D2.
Yup D2 still own their publishing til this, Nelly was really lucky to get his back that low at $75 grand back then, since D2 was an local independent label in St Louis and he didn't know Nelly was gonna blow up.
@@silence6813 rite... after D2 seeing Nelly blow like dat u kno D2 wasn't going to sell the rest of them 100% of dey publishing back. Murph nem mite got a percentage bak. D2 probably still got a percentage of the rest of dey publishing tho.
Right. I had to go listen to that Nelly interview.
Nelly essentially did them a favor not crediting them directly on Country Grammar cause they wouldn’t have seen a crumb
Of Nelly wanted to he could have easily signed that Universal contract and not try to help the group get a deal also, but he convinced the label to give the others a deal.
I was a huge Nelly fan and never knew this but this honestly makes sense. He was perfect as the face of the group and for Ali’s bars. Like Drake and Quentin Miller
It's cap. Even Murphy Lee said its cap.
cut it out 😂 Quinton Miller
Stop it, Quentin Miller is a credited cowriter on one album. Drake wrote a gang of number 1 hit records before Quentin came into the picture. He had three albums before this guy. Drake also writes for other people
@@TheFreshSoundsFloridaCaaaappppppppppppppppppl😂
@@TheFreshSoundsFloridacap we let drake get by but we no he got a writer he look like he don’t write lol
Holy Moly no wonder that country grammar was the best Album ever made! I’m blown away hearing this information!
to all the young upcoming artist this is a learning season. no matter how cool and tight you are, coming up, and people use the word family, and you know there the face and your the writer make sure your paper work is right 1st, if not they will turn on you when the get big, and can find another writer and you can be replaced. and they will still have star power. not saying that what nelly did. but look at alot if group and label starting out, 5-10 years later they grow apart.
Nelly gonna be on Vlad soon, to tell his side of the story 😂
Yessirr hopefully LOL 😂 GOTTA KNO DAT
Lol no he won't 🤣👎🏾 nelly don't care this 20yrs old who cares lol
It's facts all the other members admitted also
Yep I give it 2 weeks
Nah, he's too rich. He doesn't care...
Great interview with Ali. He is a excellent and smart writer. I hope he get all the credits for his hard work.
Nigga dumb as hell
Ali’s burner account
Or liar
@@koleon06he’s very talented, why would someone have to make a fake page to say that?
@@walkedoverwater you clearly don’t t get the joke so be quiet and sit this one out
I still remember the interview Nelly did and he said how bad of a businessman Ali was
Free City is a classic album. Still listen to that today👌
No it’s not. The album sucked
A lot of top rap artists don't write their own rhymes and the ghost writer won't get credit. This even happens with producers. This has been going on for years. 6:44
That's why it's called ghost writers.
Facts
Yea even 50 cent ghost wrote for diddy
Forever. Same in TV, movies, comic books. The most famous one takes the credit. 😂
Everything comes to light in due time 💎
Ali been saying this for years. There is another interview I saw a while ago where he broke it down.
Lets not forget they signed a deal without nelly first... and he's still here
Bingo
Right like nigga
Nelly had a high-pitched country voice and a catchy hook and great production by J.E.
No matter how many times you’ve heard about these things in the music industry, there’s always another story to be told about it‼️📕
Cause they are stupid not to get the writer credit
*”is the interviewer DJ Doggie Diamonds?” 🐶 💎 - MELL DUNEY 616*
I’m from St. Louis and never heard this. Outstanding interview.
Heard the interview with Nelly explaining his beef with Ali. Ali is capping!
yup. I saw the same thing. Especially about the publishing
Yeah so what he capping about tho
If he's lying he got me and I'm no fool. I believe him.
He lying because he’s not mentioning the fact that he signed a bad publishing deal, which he told Nelly to sign as well. When Nelly blew up, he bought his publishing back. And D2 still owns Ali publishing that’s why he didn’t want his name in the credits. He knew those deals were bad and still sign so he could put his song out, and tried to fuck up nelly career as well. But when Covid came and that tour money slowed down, then he started to beef with Nelly because he depended on Nelly because his career didn’t go nowhere. If he wrote Nelly a diamond album.. how come he couldn’t write him one???
@@cornellbrown8489You sound slow. EMINEM is the only rapper to have two diamond albums smdh
Imagine saying you got Nelly outta some deal but cant get your own business together. I’m so glad Ali got played lol😂
7:32 It all made sense when he said "We all we got!" It's perfectly understandable how this could happen at that time.
Ali Had The Hardest Verse On Batter Up 💯
Facts
Murphy went crazy
Agreed
Nelly’s was the best imo but the whole song bangs
Shit trash tho
Ali just took the Show Money/Nellys lil payments to him as he mentioned here and he was good with that. He avoided his prior 100% publishing D2 deal by not mentioning the writing credits but he should of Saved up & bought out the contract like Nelly did. He was thinking Short term & not Long term which is why he is Screwed today. Also makes sense why he hung around Nelly so long at least until the 2020 Verses before they fell out. He was dependent on Nelly for show/tour money bc he has No publishing/royalties on nothing. As Nelly Mentioned in his interview, He simply didnt take care of his Business.
They fell out?
@@Loch1210yes. Bc when he did the versus with ludacris, Ali was having a one sided beef with Luda and Nelly said man cut it out bc this is for the culture plus they already squashed it and Ali keep going. Plus Ali, wanted to put his songs in a certain order and Nelly said it don’t matter we just going to play songs. So he got mad
@@kenyawalls2255 I think I skipped the Nelly versus.
@@Loch1210You didn’t miss much. I didn’t feel like it was a good match up but they did it cause both artist are in the southern section of music.
That's foul🤔❤️🖤💚😘
I love this dude as an interviewer , it's just that sometimes he will stop his guests' thoughts to put himself into it as opposed to waiting for them to complete their thought. Like toy cut off a story to ask a question, and then it rerouted it
Country Grammar and Nellyville on my top 10 albums alltime.....Country Grammar was the first album i bought hard copy❤️
😂😂😂
@@kierra_mist what's so funny
Makes sense. Like nelly said mf only wanted to come around when its time to eat but nobody never wanted to put in the work.
This man deserve more credit than what he was given, if any smh thats crazy 🤯
Listen even if they homies, me and my homie would have said, bro we putting u on writing credits... Fuck that, but you will allow him/yall to put the white boy on the writing credits, but not the homie... Stop, u lying are yall wasn't never homies. I don't care if you my 5000 homie ain't no white boy getting credit and my homie not 😡😡😡... Wherrre they tru that at!!! Damn sho not THE SAINT LOC I KNOW... NIGGA PLEASE
Ali didn't get the credit, he got side shine instead. He was right there for all of Nelly's fame 6 on 7 years back to back.
Ali cap
How
Black ppl need to start reading and get a lawyer
If you were around someone and performed everyone of these songs For YEARS, wouldn’t you be able to say those line word for word!!! Ali and the Tics jumped off the porch and signed a contract without Nelly even knowing.. Ali wanted to be the leader and he’s bitter that the PEOPLE and the Labels wanted Nelly.. Nelly took care of them for YEARS.. and now that the MONEY has stopped.. Now he wrote all of his hits!! COME ON MAN!!!
He’s Definitely Telling Truth when u have 6 or seven heads in a Studio Session… Everybody have ideas & Bounce Thoughts & words off Each Other… like he said that’s part of Being a Group, This Ain’t No Different Then 50 cent Writing All Those Hits for The Game First Album Only Difference is We All knew 50 Was a Great Song writer Before game came out!!!💯
Shawn can't even get a breath in 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
For real 😂
@@TheFreshSoundsFlorida he is a big guy but I didn't even say it because of that lol I'm saying it because he sounds like he doesn't believe Ali Nelly was never a Lyricist even though his beats for his first album were trash if you just listen to his lyrics Ali got barz
Ghostwriting is double-edged. It’s an honor and potentially an artist’s shame 🤷🏾
Brilliantly said if not for ghostwriting Drake would be looked at totally different
@@KobaniacMinded same guy that wrote for drake wrote for nas too. don't forget gillie da kid writing for lil wayne. that's where drake got that from
@@meladgoat the only difference is nas gets a pass but drake don't I know drake has wrote for himself and others same as kanye my favorite kanye song "all falls down" is only him but they get an asterisk because it's been publicized
yea you right. both drake and nas have written for others. i give them both a pass but i also accept that it is what it is.them getting assistance doesn't take away from what they can do on there own.@@KobaniacMinded
As a rapper who could Only freestyle I understand an the came together as a collective the stlunitics an sold them records. He’s no Drake. He came up with those guys
20 years late bro 🤷🏾
Ali a real one-solid. It’s a good time for all this info to come out.
Country grammar is 1 of the only diamond albums in hip hop.! No publishing is crazy ..
It’s the only debut Diamond album in hip hop.
@@slickrick8046Lauren Hill's first album recently went diamond. It is categorized by many to be a hip hop album.
@@DoMeDoMyNDoI3490
That’s an R&B album. 50’s album will probably go diamond soon as well. Country Grammar was Nelly’s debut into the music world. Dude came out of nowhere.
@@slickrick8046 Outkast is Diamond
@@slickrick8046 'Licensed to Ill' by Beastie Boys is Diamond.
this got to be some of the hardest shit to live with
Fr bruh . He need to be compensated.
I’m so disappointed in this segment. I just watched Nelly interview on another outlet and he made a rock solid point. The reason Ali never got paid publishing is because D2, the local company they signed those fucked up contracts with, owned 100% of his publishing. All while Nelly bought his back for $75K. So either Ali was hoping for a side deal by not putting his name on the project or he really didn’t write it. Either way it shows how he practiced bad business all after being involved in prior deals and contracts. Prez is dope. He always interviews the Pilar’s of the culture. But I’m disappointed that he didn’t get this fact into the interview. Because it’s unfathomable that someone could write a diamond album and not be compensated a dime. If he didn’t complain 25 years ago why complain now? If your pen was so prolific why didn’t his solo shit hit? Why didn’t his shit with Gipp hit? There’s always another side to the story. You can write diamond for another guy but you wrote a brick for yourself? Make that make sense.
I can understand the part of maybe his publishing was signed away but as far as his writing; he may not be the best person for the delivery butt that doesn't take away from his penmenship
@@jaysykes7973Nelly isn’t the only rap artist. He could have written songs for anyone, why roll with Nelly for 20 yrs
Respect, Bro. Ali 🤲🏾💯
The 3 biggest rap stars in the world in that era were Jay z, Eminem and Nelly. Nelly was huge!
“The only ones moving units is Pimp Juice,Em, & us” - Jay Z
@@Kev_-qm1je😂
And Kanye was writing for Jay-Z at the time 🤔❤️🖤💚😘
@@evonza4858😂 stop it
@@evonza4858It would be the other way round if anything
I feel bamboozled 😭😭 this one of my favorite albums man
I was 11 when that album came out and that song he’s talking about with Lil Wayne was my favorite song on that album. He’s telling the truth 🤦🏽♂️
when he said " lemme tell u what i didnt write - Dont Stop Ever Luvin Me " i was sold lol
With friends like this who needs enemies!! 🤦🏾♂️
Give that man his respect his should be RAF❗️ of a diamond album and look how smooth he is with it
That’s wild af I knew most this album word for word and it was ALI!!!
Cap n crunch
Cappuccino
captain America
😩🤦🏾♂️😂🤣😂🤣😂
It's his fault. He should've been on his business instead of in homeboy mode
dude wasn’t charismatic enough to make hits for himself, Nelly was obviously the star, and murphy had star potential as well, they fumbled his marketing, after that no one cared about the rest of the lunatics
Ali on here lookin like he bout to open the portal to defeat Shang Tsung
Who coming back to this to see if he say 607 unk help him write it
😂😂😂😂😂
@@KiddMurray5 😂😂😂sweartogodonmymama😂😂😂😂😂
As a former rapper who only could freestyle an had a nice voice I understand. I could spit a cold ten, but could never write a solid hook or finish a verse with consistency. I use too pray for someone too help me write songs an my producer was a white boy who had nice beats but no flow at all. I actually went out an purchased that album an knew the songs word for word I totally believe him. Nelly could sell a record an I’m sure everything Nelly was spitting was fire he just Needed some help. I also appreciate how he told the story. I don’t think any less of Nelly an he’s not in the drake category for me
Right. I can freestyle, battle and eat u. But writing songs 😂😂
Salute fam
@@D9Dnouncer-SlapperI’ll flame a nigga inn a battle and write a catchy song
Well you need to the way Nelly fked over the group
Trash if you can't write songs that's really the culture
When you tryna make it to be successful you don’t give af about who u give a verse to or any of that especially when you’re a team Ali definitely was a real one if he had his publishing for those songs he’ll be rich asf every song he wrote on Country grammar was fire
Thanks, i truly enjoyed this!
Such a classic album!! St. LUNATICS!!!
He like the Phil Jackson of the st lunatics 🤣🤣
😂😂