i play one of simons riffs pretty much every time I'm testing out how a neck single coil sounds through a cranked amp. These Swedes know how to put an amp through its paces.
I'm pretty amazed at how different they are. The AB165 seems punchier and more defined across the board; the 568 seems super compressed, and it sagged like crazy. AB165 is definitely the winner for me!
I have a 67 AB165 with RCA blackplates and all original ax7s and a telefunkin AT7. I would argue it’s the best sounding amp and pedal platform ever made. I’ve never played a $10k plus amp but for the money around $1100 US… it’s insanely good with a strat.
I know this was a while ago. However, every time I need to learn something about an amp or speaker, your videos come up. So helpful. Thanks for doing this for us all. Also, your tone sounds great. I recently came across a really nice 64 Bassman and original cab, then out of know where, I found a good deal on a 65 bassman AA 165. They sound close but I like the 64 a little better. Both great. So nice to learn about other iterations.
Johan, really cool comparison. You really captured how these sound in the room. I actually have a 1969 Drip edge era silverface Bassman that has the AB165 circuit. The tube chart sticker is stamped AB165 but it actually has an AA165 inside. It also has a choke from ‘67 and a PT from ‘69. Even had some capacitors and insides ranging from 66-70. The aluminum chassis is stamped ‘71. It was untouched it’s whole life. The original owner laughed when he gave it to me and said he thought it was a factory parts-o-caster that they just grabbed from old and new stock to piece together. When I got it, my amp technician did new capacitors and tubes and said it was an AA165 with some weird silverface style modifications. He undid did those “mods” and made it true to AA165/Blackface circuit. It is a beautiful sounding amp although mine is a bit of a Frankenstein 😂😂😂.
@@telecasterman18 oh i see. Mine is very early 1969 (one of the transformer is dated late 1968, when i did a research) so I am not sure what circuit it has... I can ask my friend who i bought it from, his amp tech is my amp tech too. They changed the bass channel to a more dumple like style, i like it but i use the normal channel. I wanna bring the Bass channel back to the original... Mine is also a Frankenstein i guess 😁
@@ΓιάννηςΓουμαράς Haha. Nothing wrong with a Frankenstein as long as it sounds great. That sounds really cool. If you could share the schematic for that Dumble style channel that’d be swell. I hate the sound of the bass channel on mine. It’s completely unusable.
Johan really knows what's he's doing, always love to watch these. I bought very similar AC568 (Feb-March '69) few weeks ago. It's one of those havin' "AB165"-stamp on the tube chart, but it really is AC568. For now, I play it through 1x15" - cabinet (semi-open) havin' Jensen C15K. I do agree that AB165 sounds punchier and more defined, but I mostly stay on "clean side" and get crunch from pedals. It's been under full service in July, fresh power tubes etc. Just learning about finesses of jumpering channels and so on (some experience from clone-Tweed-Deluxe don't help much). I used to have few of Silverface 4x6L6-family (Quad Rev '72, Super Six '73 - very nice original CTS-alnicos, Twin '69/70) with big headrooms and later on Pro Reverb '74 (with Eminence Canis Major-alnicos). All them have basic "Fender"-chime, but Bassman - even AC568 is something else - well - with volumes at max 3 it stays clean too. In this autumn, I will bring at my friends studio to try it with very similar early '70 Marshall 4x12"-cabinets. There's also one true Bassman-set from Blonde-era too, Plexi-heads, '60s AC30's, Tweed Deluxe 1960, Brown Deluxe 1961, Princeton 1962, Princeton 1964 etc... Silverface is quite a "newbie" in that crowd...😆
Wow, to me there is no contest, the '66 all the way. To my ears the '69 has a blanket thrown over it and it's kind of hashy sounding as well, not the good grind and distortion of the '66. I've heard that the brown caps (chocolate caps?) were lousy but have never experienced them. If the circuits are pretty similar those caps really do have a lot to do with the tone, but that much??? Excellent video as always Johan!
@@robertmusilli5198 Fender was really cutting corners to make them available I guess. Leo's idea were so good and changing the circuits around to save $$ did a mess of things. They are close with some changes but man, it did a number on the amps.
I had a silverface 67 Bassman. It ate board caps and made tons of noise but boy it sounded great. I sold it to somebody who restored it. That's one of them I've sold that I miss.
The '67 Silverface (drip edge) still would have, or should have been an AB165 circuit like the late Blackface amps. That's some gooood stuff right thar!
I recently bought a 69 silverface bassman that says AB165 on the label inside, but I have not yet pulled out the chassi to see what it looks like inside. Hopefully it is AB165.
Thanks for this wonderful review, as always, Johan! This one is especially relevant to me as I own a 67 BF AB165 Bassman. I always wondered if the cathode resistors on the power tubes of the AC568 would make it feel more spongy. Now, having heard them, even if they do, it is at the expense of volume and tone and I am not interested in losing those. I'll modify the bass channel to 5F6-A tweed specs instead. Cheers!
Hi Johan. It seems like they got recorded a little differently. The ‘66 sounded great in the first part of the video and the highs were cut off on the ‘69. In the second part of the video they both sounded way too trebly. I’m sure this had to be from the recording technique or adjustments somewhere after the amps...like with the attenuator or DAW settings. I really wish you would revisit this one because the general consensus is that the black face amps always sound better. In my experience it’s not true all the time. Thanks for putting this one out though. I know it takes a lot of time and effort!
The clips are semi clean, crunch and dirty. So three different settings applied the same on both amps. They work better with some settings than others. The Silverface may need a service hence the unexpected lower headroom. And as a side note, the most most annoying comments I get is where people tell me why I supposedly failed and then thank me for my hard work. If you meant well you may wanna consider that
@@JohanSegeborn I’m really sorry if I offended you in any way; that wasn’t my intent. I really enjoy watching your channel and all the great things you present to us viewers. My comment was only meant as a request for a do-over. Nothing more.
The silverface one sounds like it needs a service. I used to have a '66 blackface Bassman, which was a monster. They are superb amps. Nice playing as usual Johan.
Always been a fender man..i have the 70s vibroux combo but always wanted the blackface bassman but here in Australia there 4000 bucks and very rare here....just 2 really great tones here
I went to Celestions too - in odd way, someone could say. Now, I have 1x12" G12M 65 Creamback (open back 8 ohm) and 2x12" Vintage 30-pair (closed back, 2x16 ohm = 8 ohm) Now, my Bassman has 4 ohm load from 36" Celestions. All three speakers well "broken-in" - I used to hear bad things about V30's "ice peaks" etc. and being mostly Jensen/WGS/Eminence-oriented, Celestions did surprise me in good way. Previous experience of Celestions was limited to old pair of "Blackbacks" G12M/G12H and Heritage G12H, paired with Tayden True Brit (G12M), latter pair in my AC 30, Dallas Arbiter-era (1975)
the major change in the amp was in the output stage. Two 150 ohm resistors and a 5uf/25v cap were added, possibly to lessen crossover distortion of two mismatched output tubes, which would allow for a wider range of output tubes to be used. I don't know. Just a guess.
I just discovered that my 68 has the 831 BETTER COIL AND TRANSFORMER input tranny. With a bit of research I found out that Fender used these to fill in when they ran out of 606 Shumacker in the years 66 to 70
I was wondering that too. I think it might have denoted the "Export" amps from the US amps. On some of the silverface amps they were marked "Bassman Export - Amp", while the US models were marked "Bassman -Amp" with a blank spot where the word "Export" otherwise appeared. Personally, I think the star looks really cool!
Did you set the tones and volumes the same for the comparison? I think a better way would be to get a sound you like from one head, and then try to duplicate it with the other. Setting the controls the same will always sound different from one head to another because of tolerances and such. Trying to duplicate the sound between the two heads will give a truer picture of what the amps sound like.
@@JohanSegeborn Fantastic as usual brother! Not to be offensive, but telling Johan how to properly demo/mic is like telling Picasso how to paint. Just saying, he's forgotten more about this stuff than most of us will ever know. God bless and rock on 😎🎸👍
@John Canter I'll partially agree with that , even being a Marshall addicted I can honestly say Fender cleans are better, maybe saturation is another thing, not because Fender is bad , it's because we're too used to brutally honest Marshall , which are - no secret there- modified Fenders.
I just bought a '68 Bassman yesterday and I don't think it sounds a lot like either of those. How homogenous-sounding are these amps anyway? I bought it because I though the highs and mids were clear without being harsh, and I wanted both a bass and guitar amp in one package because I'm equally proficient (=not as good as I want to be) with both.
I feel like the SF isn’t performing up to snuff. At one point I had to do a double take because I thought Johan had thrown in a fuzz pedal when it was just the amp farting out. Anyway, great video and playing as always, but I’ll take the BF all day long!
Hey! Did you get the AC568 serviced or does it still sound the same? I have acquired a Bassman Export - Amp (50w) and wondering whether I should have it converted to AB165 specs.
I read the silverface has more bright and headroom. But your silverface is quite the opposite compared to your blackface. Is it in bad conditions or what I read is wrong ?
That is a much larger difference than I was expecting, I thought the early transitional period silverfaces were basically the same as the blackfaces! Would you say this difference falls within normal production variances for two amps of the same model?
The early silver ones were AB165 circuit, just like the black one here. So Johan was not technically correct in calling the 568 circuit the “first silverface”. But he’s right that 568 was the first circuit that was strictly silverface. But any silverface Bassman from late ‘67 through the first half of ‘68 is going to be AB165.
I bet it’s possible to make ‘em sound the same if you dial ‘em in by ear rather than by eye. But this is a good starting point. My ‘68 Bassman is an AB165, but it’s an early silverface with late ‘67 pots & transformers and even a ‘67 serial number. Since I got it just over a year ago I’ve hardly ever plugged into anything else!
Johan, do you know yet what mods have been done to your Bassman? I remember in the video that you introduced us to it, you said you weren't sure, but it appeared to have some non-standard/mod wiring.
I a/b'd my two Marshall cabs last night A mid 80s white ann cab and a re-ish 65 brass logo w alnico speakers The 25 watt alnicos won over the 65 watt ceramic magnets IMO
Both the real deal.. not sure why but not a huge fan of that Marshall cab. In my personal experience NOS tubes make a proper difference in the tone too. Btw. noticed your strat is going quite easily out of tune. Johan check with your luthier they will show you the tricks, had to learn the hard way! cheers
The Iron Man II is the next thing on my GAS list, so I can get full tube saturation on my Bassman without disturbing my neighbors chickens...at least not TOOOOO MUCH! lol
The blackface amp sounds more open and the silver face is a little more muted. This is probably because of the way they started wiring the power tube sockets with capacitors ceramic disc to be exact. Great job Johan!
The silverface sounds a bit coldbiased and weak. It also lacks the "sparkle", and breaks up too early. The '66 sounded a lot better. More open and a little more headroom and power.
I learned some of your riffs and I got to say they bring out the best out of any amp.
Thanks my friend that’s kind of you!
i play one of simons riffs pretty much every time I'm testing out how a neck single coil sounds through a cranked amp. These Swedes know how to put an amp through its paces.
Do you have any tabs or songs they're from? I know Johan play a lot of original riffs too
@@Connor33558 seems to me like it’s all originals, I just learn it by ear if it’s a riff that hits me hard
I'm pretty amazed at how different they are. The AB165 seems punchier and more defined across the board; the 568 seems super compressed, and it sagged like crazy. AB165 is definitely the winner for me!
Thanks Ryan, we’re gonna service the SF and look at it again. Cheers
I have a 67 AB165 with RCA blackplates and all original ax7s and a telefunkin AT7. I would argue it’s the best sounding amp and pedal platform ever made. I’ve never played a $10k plus amp but for the money around $1100 US… it’s insanely good with a strat.
There’s also an AA165 which is the AA864 but with a better phase inverter circuit and some other minor changes. I think the AA165 is the best.
I know this was a while ago. However, every time I need to learn something about an amp or speaker, your videos come up. So helpful. Thanks for doing this for us all. Also, your tone sounds great. I recently came across a really nice 64 Bassman and original cab, then out of know where, I found a good deal on a 65 bassman AA 165. They sound close but I like the 64 a little better. Both great. So nice to learn about other iterations.
i love the silverface amps!!
Thanks man, you do the best demos with the best gear and the best playing! Rock on!!
Thanks man, I’m really glad to hear that!
Johan, really cool comparison. You really captured how these sound in the room.
I actually have a 1969 Drip edge era silverface Bassman that has the AB165 circuit. The tube chart sticker is stamped AB165 but it actually has an AA165 inside. It also has a choke from ‘67 and a PT from ‘69. Even had some capacitors and insides ranging from 66-70. The aluminum chassis is stamped ‘71. It was untouched it’s whole life. The original owner laughed when he gave it to me and said he thought it was a factory parts-o-caster that they just grabbed from old and new stock to piece together. When I got it, my amp technician did new capacitors and tubes and said it was an AA165 with some weird silverface style modifications. He undid did those “mods” and made it true to AA165/Blackface circuit. It is a beautiful sounding amp although mine is a bit of a Frankenstein 😂😂😂.
Same here. My 1969 drip edge Bassman has the AB165 circuit. At least that's what the sticker inside says
@@ΓιάννηςΓουμαράς I just edited my post. My sticker is stamped AB165 but the circuit is an AA165. Dumb autocorrect.
@@telecasterman18 oh i see. Mine is very early 1969 (one of the transformer is dated late 1968, when i did a research) so I am not sure what circuit it has... I can ask my friend who i bought it from, his amp tech is my amp tech too. They changed the bass channel to a more dumple like style, i like it but i use the normal channel. I wanna bring the Bass channel back to the original... Mine is also a Frankenstein i guess 😁
@@ΓιάννηςΓουμαράς Haha. Nothing wrong with a Frankenstein as long as it sounds great. That sounds really cool. If you could share the schematic for that Dumble style channel that’d be swell. I hate the sound of the bass channel on mine. It’s completely unusable.
@@telecasterman18i dont have any schematic but i will ask my friend and my tech and reply here 🙂
Best channel on TH-cam!
Thanks my friend!
Johan, your comparisons are absolutely priceless. The best I’ve seen. Thank you!
Never been a Fender amp guy, but my friend, thanks to you, I'm gonna have to find one and get it!!! Much love and thanks, keep rockin'🤘
Thanks my friend! Glad to hear that!
The 66 has a lot more clarity, definitely brighter. Tough to pick a favorite. Love these comparison videos! Rock on dude!
Thanks man, glad to hear that!
Nobel Peace Prize for Tone on the Blackface. Brilliant.
Johan really knows what's he's doing, always love to watch these.
I bought very similar AC568 (Feb-March '69) few weeks ago. It's one of those havin' "AB165"-stamp on the tube chart, but it really is AC568. For now, I play it through 1x15" - cabinet (semi-open) havin' Jensen C15K. I do agree that AB165 sounds punchier and more defined, but I mostly stay on "clean side" and get crunch from pedals. It's been under full service in July, fresh power tubes etc.
Just learning about finesses of jumpering channels and so on (some experience from clone-Tweed-Deluxe don't help much). I used to have few of Silverface 4x6L6-family (Quad Rev '72, Super Six '73 - very nice original CTS-alnicos, Twin '69/70) with big headrooms and later on Pro Reverb '74 (with Eminence Canis Major-alnicos). All them have basic "Fender"-chime, but Bassman - even AC568 is something else - well - with volumes at max 3 it stays clean too.
In this autumn, I will bring at my friends studio to try it with very similar early '70 Marshall 4x12"-cabinets. There's also one true Bassman-set from Blonde-era too, Plexi-heads, '60s AC30's, Tweed Deluxe 1960, Brown Deluxe 1961, Princeton 1962, Princeton 1964 etc... Silverface is quite a "newbie" in that crowd...😆
They both sound great! And fantastic playing as always!
Thanks Tobias! Glad you like it!
I’ve had my 68 since 1981 and it came with the ab165😎
My very first amp was a SF Super bought used in 73 Univox LP and an MXR dist plus
Wow, to me there is no contest, the '66 all the way. To my ears the '69 has a blanket thrown over it and it's kind of hashy sounding as well, not the good grind and distortion of the '66. I've heard that the brown caps (chocolate caps?) were lousy but have never experienced them. If the circuits are pretty similar those caps really do have a lot to do with the tone, but that much??? Excellent video as always Johan!
Thanks Steve!
@@JohanSegeborn Of course Johan, thank YOU!
the blanket is a really on point description. I A/B my 66 vs a 73 but with a bass and the blanket reference is even truer at lower pitches
@@robertmusilli5198 Fender was really cutting corners to make them available I guess. Leo's idea were so good and changing the circuits around to save $$ did a mess of things. They are close with some changes but man, it did a number on the amps.
Now a comparassion of these two amps and bassman 100 pleaseeee!
That can be arranged!
I had a silverface 67 Bassman. It ate board caps and made tons of noise but boy it sounded great. I sold it to somebody who restored it. That's one of them I've sold that I miss.
The '67 Silverface (drip edge) still would have, or should have been an AB165 circuit like the late Blackface amps. That's some gooood stuff right thar!
I recently bought a 69 silverface bassman that says AB165 on the label inside, but I have not yet pulled out the chassi to see what it looks like inside. Hopefully it is AB165.
Thanks for this wonderful review, as always, Johan! This one is especially relevant to me as I own a 67 BF AB165 Bassman. I always wondered if the cathode resistors on the power tubes of the AC568 would make it feel more spongy. Now, having heard them, even if they do, it is at the expense of volume and tone and I am not interested in losing those.
I'll modify the bass channel to 5F6-A tweed specs instead. Cheers!
I used to run an AB165 with a little modulation and echo side by side with a JCM 800. It sounded killer.
Hi Johan. It seems like they got recorded a little differently. The ‘66 sounded great in the first part of the video and the highs were cut off on the ‘69. In the second part of the video they both sounded way too trebly. I’m sure this had to be from the recording technique or adjustments somewhere after the amps...like with the attenuator or DAW settings. I really wish you would revisit this one because the general consensus is that the black face amps always sound better. In my experience it’s not true all the time. Thanks for putting this one out though. I know it takes a lot of time and effort!
The clips are semi clean, crunch and dirty. So three different settings applied the same on both amps. They work better with some settings than others. The Silverface may need a service hence the unexpected lower headroom. And as a side note, the most most annoying comments I get is where people tell me why I supposedly failed and then thank me for my hard work. If you meant well you may wanna consider that
@@JohanSegeborn I’m really sorry if I offended you in any way; that wasn’t my intent. I really enjoy watching your channel and all the great things you present to us viewers. My comment was only meant as a request for a do-over. Nothing more.
Beautiful test ,the 1966 silverface for me is more trasparent end sparkly i love this tone !
Thanks Angelo!
The silverface one sounds like it needs a service. I used to have a '66 blackface Bassman, which was a monster. They are superb amps. Nice playing as usual Johan.
Thanks Rob, I think it’s time for service too
Johan you should review a traynor yba-1 I think you would dig it
Yeah I’ve heard good things about it!
@@JohanSegeborn poor man's Marshall JTM45, with better Hammond transformers
Love those bassmans > good dumble mod platform 😉
Great playin’ Johan/cheers.
Hahaha! Have a great weekend my friend!
Always been a fender man..i have the 70s vibroux combo but always wanted the blackface bassman but here in Australia there 4000 bucks and very rare here....just 2 really great tones here
Thanks Michael!
Well done Brother and thanks for using the Strat Today ! Be Well All!
Thanks brother!
I went to Celestions too - in odd way, someone could say. Now, I have 1x12" G12M 65 Creamback (open back 8 ohm) and 2x12" Vintage 30-pair (closed back, 2x16 ohm = 8 ohm) Now, my Bassman has 4 ohm load from 36" Celestions. All three speakers well "broken-in" - I used to hear bad things about V30's "ice peaks" etc. and being mostly Jensen/WGS/Eminence-oriented, Celestions did surprise me in good way. Previous experience of Celestions was limited to old pair of "Blackbacks" G12M/G12H and Heritage G12H, paired with Tayden True Brit (G12M), latter pair in my AC 30, Dallas Arbiter-era (1975)
Both great amps, can't really beat the blackface bassman, just amazing amps. Stay safe, Johan, have a good weekend
Thanks man, you have a great weekend too!
the major change in the amp was in the output stage. Two 150 ohm resistors and a 5uf/25v cap were added, possibly to lessen crossover distortion of two mismatched output tubes, which would allow for a wider range of output tubes to be used. I don't know. Just a guess.
Yeah that and the bypass cap on the NFB resistor
I just discovered that my 68 has the 831 BETTER COIL AND TRANSFORMER input tranny. With a bit of research I found out that Fender used these to fill in when they ran out of 606 Shumacker in the years 66 to 70
👍I love you videos they are a museum of rock music to me📽👈🙏🙃
Thanks! Great to hear that!
As always great tone and great playing! I have both of those amps and I absolutely love them!
Thanks Marek!
What's the star about on the BF? Always wondered! ⭐️
I wonder that myself too actually! It looks good there though! :-)
I was wondering that too. I think it might have denoted the "Export" amps from the US amps. On some of the silverface amps they were marked "Bassman Export - Amp", while the US models were marked "Bassman -Amp" with a blank spot where the word "Export" otherwise appeared. Personally, I think the star looks really cool!
Did you set the tones and volumes the same for the comparison? I think a better way would be to get a sound you like from one head, and then try to duplicate it with the other. Setting the controls the same will always sound different from one head to another because of tolerances and such. Trying to duplicate the sound between the two heads will give a truer picture of what the amps sound like.
I used rhe same settings on both
@@JohanSegeborn Fantastic as usual brother! Not to be offensive, but telling Johan how to properly demo/mic is like telling Picasso how to paint. Just saying, he's forgotten more about this stuff than most of us will ever know. God bless and rock on 😎🎸👍
Thanks brother! :-) Have a great weekend!
I'm slipping from "I don't like Fender amps" from "uhmmm I quite like that one" And I'll blame Johan for that , otherwise my SJ would kill me.
Hahaha! ;-) Cheers David!
@John Canter I'll partially agree with that , even being a Marshall addicted I can honestly say Fender cleans are better, maybe saturation is another thing, not because Fender is bad , it's because we're too used to brutally honest Marshall , which are - no secret there- modified Fenders.
I just bought a '68 Bassman yesterday and I don't think it sounds a lot like either of those.
How homogenous-sounding are these amps anyway?
I bought it because I though the highs and mids were clear without being harsh, and I wanted both a bass and guitar amp in one package because I'm equally proficient (=not as good as I want to be) with both.
I feel like the SF isn’t performing up to snuff. At one point I had to do a double take because I thought Johan had thrown in a fuzz pedal when it was just the amp farting out. Anyway, great video and playing as always, but I’ll take the BF all day long!
Hi, Johan!
AB is more rich sounds. I like AC too, but for clean and for some blues tones. See you! Have a nice weekend!
Z
Thanks man, that’s a good summary. Have a great weekend you too!
I've been wondering for years where Son Seals' Bassman &
212 Bottom are. Bassman IS
THE TONE of "Midnight Son."
Hey! Did you get the AC568 serviced or does it still sound the same?
I have acquired a Bassman Export - Amp (50w) and wondering whether I should have it converted to AB165 specs.
You can mod a May 1968 AC568 circuit to sound pretty much the same as a January 1965 AB165 circuit amp. Especially in a full mix.
great amps .great demo king
Thanks my friend
Many thanks for mic'ing the cab properly! On AB165, at which position of the volume knob it starts to break up?
Silverface is my choice since I use my volume knob to clean up the sound
I read the silverface has more bright and headroom. But your silverface is quite the opposite compared to your blackface. Is it in bad conditions or what I read is wrong ?
They both sound great but I think that the Blackface one has more bite, probably because it sounds more open and bright 😊
Thanks Fabrizio!
That is a much larger difference than I was expecting, I thought the early transitional period silverfaces were basically the same as the blackfaces! Would you say this difference falls within normal production variances for two amps of the same model?
I’m suspecting that the SF needs some service so we’re gonna revisit it on the channel
The early silver ones were AB165 circuit, just like the black one here. So Johan was not technically correct in calling the 568 circuit the “first silverface”. But he’s right that 568 was the first circuit that was strictly silverface. But any silverface Bassman from late ‘67 through the first half of ‘68 is going to be AB165.
Awesome tones!
Thanks man!
I bet it’s possible to make ‘em sound the same if you dial ‘em in by ear rather than by eye. But this is a good starting point.
My ‘68 Bassman is an AB165, but it’s an early silverface with late ‘67 pots & transformers and even a ‘67 serial number. Since I got it just over a year ago I’ve hardly ever plugged into anything else!
The blackface sounds more open for most settings when I tried. But also a bit thinner than the silverface
Johan, do you know yet what mods have been done to your Bassman? I remember in the video that you introduced us to it, you said you weren't sure, but it appeared to have some non-standard/mod wiring.
Hi, its basically standard actually. No mods that influence tone at any rate Cheers!
is there a volume difference between the two?
The Blackface is slightly louder here actually
@@JohanSegeborn that comfirms my theory that blackface amps are slightly louder. Might be luck of the draw though
I'll take the free shipping on the older one . Thanks in advance !
I a/b'd my two Marshall cabs last night A mid 80s white ann cab and a re-ish 65 brass logo w alnico speakers The 25 watt alnicos won over the 65 watt ceramic magnets IMO
Which are the 25W Alnicos?
Is it just me or is the sound of the blackface more bright compared to the silverface? Anyway, both are awesome!
Thanks Peter! I think it’s way brighter too
Both the real deal.. not sure why but not a huge fan of that Marshall cab.
In my personal experience NOS tubes make a proper difference in the tone too.
Btw. noticed your strat is going quite easily out of tune. Johan check with your luthier they will show you the tricks, had to learn the hard way! cheers
The Strat is actually more stable when it comes to tuning than my Les Paul. I think that me being used to Les Pauls is the problem here
No rectifier tube in the circuit ?
No SS in both
The older one (black face) sounds bright and the silver one sounds darker
68 was the first year of silver face bassman.
The Iron Man II is the next thing on my GAS list, so I can get full tube saturation on my Bassman without disturbing my neighbors chickens...at least not TOOOOO MUCH! lol
Yeah, it really preserves the sound and feel all the way down
The blackface amp sounds more open and the silver face is a little more muted. This is probably because of the way they started wiring the power tube sockets with capacitors ceramic disc to be exact. Great job Johan!
Thanks Darrell!
1966 is brighter I had a 65 it was good for clean toned
Neither one sound great wide open in my opinion but both sound great when backed off a bit.
You should play more chords or chord progressions to better capture the tone.
Yeah, less chords and strumming than usual in this video. Didn’t we discuss this yesterday?
The blackface has more growl and presence. Both cool though.
Thanks!
blackface
The silverface sounds a bit coldbiased and weak. It also lacks the "sparkle", and breaks up too early.
The '66 sounded a lot better. More open and a little more headroom and power.
Yeah it may be up for service
@@JohanSegeborn My experience with these amps is that they sounds best when biased on the hot side. Not redplate hot, but reasonable hot.
Blackface wins for me.
Thanks
AC568 is saggy. I like that.
Play some bass through the Bassmans
I actually did that first but failed to get a tone I was happy with. I messed up the mic placement. That will come up too soon though
You seem to lose a lot of amps, Johan...
Wrong speakers for those amps
Do you mean G12H or Greenbacks altogether?
19666 wins!! 😉👹
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I'd take any Superlead over any Bassman, any day of any week.