Only 5 percent of the church stood against V2 during the council and they were very vocal. We see the same thing happening today where a few people stand against what the church is doing yet they are very vocal.
I really don't see anything wrong with what you have described, it's a very positive recovery of the origin church in the beginning. The priests and church hierarchy shouldn't be driven by sin, but by holiness. NO Greed, no snobs , no hate. It should Never be a cause of suffering. Sounds Good to me!
I don’t buy into his view on Ecumenism and some aspects on other aspects. I studied an MA level course on Vatican-II and I can tell you that becoming Catholic is entering into the Fullness of Christianity.
Dennis G please be specific less your comments are thought of as straw men. Cue to 6:40. Triumphalism does not make for sound ecclesiology or ecumenism
sherin raj excellent question. To be fair to the Council fathers they would have thought into a more fuller expression of all that is meant by “Church.” We could say fuller in terms of both the sacramental and institutional/hierarchical aspects in the Church, but the Holy Spirit and the moral aspect is available to all in Christ. We have only begun to taste what ecumenism is.
It would be coming into the fullness of the Faith, since Jesus sends The Holy Spirit through The Sacraments, such as Confirmation and Anointing of the Sick, which is only Catholic/Orthodox. Read the CCC.
Bible Alive Presentations This article IN DEPTH (so please read entirely) will show you what Vatican-II really teaches and what the Church as a whole really teaches: www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
I feel that the Vatican II documents have been somehow misunderstood by this presenter. These Protestants call Catholics idol worshipers, many of them preach salvation by faith alone and that once saved always saved meaning that sins cannot prevent one from going to heaven because salvation is based on the alien righteousness of Christ. How can the Spirit teach opposing doctrines in the same body of Christ? They do not believe in the sacrament of confession which means when they die they die in numerous mortal sins. The Catholic Church teaches that those who die in that state cannot get to heaven because according to Revelation nothing unclean shall enter heaven. Martin Luther himself said one can commit murder and adultery 1,000 times a day and cannot lose salvation. How can we be of the same body? He even condemned the book of James calling it an epistle of Straw. No. I do not buy what this presenter is saying. This is a total misrepresentation of what the Vatican II documents actually say.
Yes, this presentation seems to be a misinterpretation of the documents. Much of what he said was true, but without proper distinctions and detail could be taken as a contradiction to the faith. He claimed that VII changed fundamental understandings of Catholic thought. That cannot be the case as it would be a rupture.
VII radically redefined ecclesiology. They also lied when they said that we worship the same God with pagans. And what was so wrong with the rituals for the sacraments that they all had to be changed?! If it ain't broke don't fix it! Unless you want to change it's meaning, which amounts to a change in doctrine.
No offense, but this is not a true summary of how to interpret properly VII documents. You made it sound as though the Catholic Church sees Protestantism as equal to itself. And you did not make enough distinctions about what is meant by God speaking through other religions. You also claimed that the Catholic Church changed how it saw the Jews. That is bearing false witness, as the Catholic Church has never held the Jewish people to be solely responsible for Christ's death and has always taught that He died due to all of our sins.
Bahhhhh. Talk about spiritual bypassing & justification. Ya’ll DO accuse the Jews privately of killing Christ…within familes, within churches, there is DEFINITELY some low key anti-semitism going on…I mean every Passover play/easter play I’ve ever been at the “audience” playing the “crowd of Jews” in the play scream “crucify him crucify him” so even if they don’t say it specifically anyway in teachings, every year, it surely is insinuated that the Jews killed Christ. And every year, a whole lotta Catholics also watch the passion of the Christ, which is a big Catholic propaganda piece against the Jews. So say what u want, the message is being sent to folks!
@@BibleAlivePresentations Arh, no. He also said: “The Second Vatican Council marked the end of an epoch; and if we stand back from it a little more we see it marked the end of a series of epochs, the end of an age”
Hear ye! You are not God. God will never allow Her Church to fail . Even any alleged error will be used by God. So stop the Pharisaic anger, trust in God and focus on your own sanctity
Only 5 percent of the church stood against V2 during the council and they were very vocal. We see the same thing happening today where a few people stand against what the church is doing yet they are very vocal.
How interesting that tradition in Greek has a very direct connection to something referred to in Revelation.
Please elaborate
This is a good presentation.
Bill Anderson Most kind sir thank you
I really don't see anything wrong with what you have described, it's a very positive recovery of the origin church in the beginning. The priests and church hierarchy shouldn't be driven by sin, but by holiness. NO Greed, no snobs , no hate. It should Never be a cause of suffering. Sounds Good to me!
Yeah! How is that a problem?
Nowhere was the Latin Mass abrogated or the Gregorian and Latin in even the new Mass. This is a bastardization of the intention of the Council
Very informative thank you it helps a lot in my exams in theology thank you
My pleasure! Always a blessing to serve those called to serve
I don’t buy into his view on Ecumenism and some aspects on other aspects. I studied an MA level course on Vatican-II and I can tell you that becoming Catholic is entering into the Fullness of Christianity.
Dennis G please be specific less your comments are thought of as straw men. Cue to 6:40. Triumphalism does not make for sound ecclesiology or ecumenism
No doctrine defined at V2, the Council was only pastoral.
Then why are some of the documents called "dogmatic constitution"? That's just one of the many contradictions in the documents 😏
Protestant becoming Catholic is a shift in position within the church
Is it into a higher position or an equal but different position?
sherin raj excellent question. To be fair to the Council fathers they would have thought into a more fuller expression of all that is meant by “Church.” We could say fuller in terms of both the sacramental and institutional/hierarchical aspects in the Church, but the Holy Spirit and the moral aspect is available to all in Christ. We have only begun to taste what ecumenism is.
It would be coming into the fullness of the Faith, since Jesus sends The Holy Spirit through The Sacraments, such as Confirmation and Anointing of the Sick, which is only Catholic/Orthodox. Read the CCC.
@@CherubimCreations CCC does not TRUMP the Sixteen Documents.
Bible Alive Presentations This article IN DEPTH (so please read entirely) will show you what Vatican-II really teaches and what the Church as a whole really teaches: www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
I feel that the Vatican II documents have been somehow misunderstood by this presenter. These Protestants call Catholics idol worshipers, many of them preach salvation by faith alone and that once saved always saved meaning that sins cannot prevent one from going to heaven because salvation is based on the alien righteousness of Christ. How can the Spirit teach opposing doctrines in the same body of Christ? They do not believe in the sacrament of confession which means when they die they die in numerous mortal sins. The Catholic Church teaches that those who die in that state cannot get to heaven because according to Revelation nothing unclean shall enter heaven. Martin Luther himself said one can commit murder and adultery 1,000 times a day and cannot lose salvation. How can we be of the same body? He even condemned the book of James calling it an epistle of Straw. No. I do not buy what this presenter is saying. This is a total misrepresentation of what the Vatican II documents actually say.
You're absolutely right. I've read the VII documents, and this guy is just continuing the lies of VII.
Yes, this presentation seems to be a misinterpretation of the documents. Much of what he said was true, but without proper distinctions and detail could be taken as a contradiction to the faith. He claimed that VII changed fundamental understandings of Catholic thought. That cannot be the case as it would be a rupture.
@el-sig2249 watch this guy's videos he's a obvious false prophet
VII radically redefined ecclesiology. They also lied when they said that we worship the same God with pagans.
And what was so wrong with the rituals for the sacraments that they all had to be changed?! If it ain't broke don't fix it! Unless you want to change it's meaning, which amounts to a change in doctrine.
U dont trust the church
No offense, but this is not a true summary of how to interpret properly VII documents. You made it sound as though the Catholic Church sees Protestantism as equal to itself. And you did not make enough distinctions about what is meant by God speaking through other religions. You also claimed that the Catholic Church changed how it saw the Jews. That is bearing false witness, as the Catholic Church has never held the Jewish people to be solely responsible for Christ's death and has always taught that He died due to all of our sins.
Bahhhhh. Talk about spiritual bypassing & justification. Ya’ll DO accuse the Jews privately of killing Christ…within familes, within churches, there is DEFINITELY some low key anti-semitism going on…I mean every Passover play/easter play I’ve ever been at the “audience” playing the “crowd of Jews” in the play scream “crucify him crucify him” so even if they don’t say it specifically anyway in teachings, every year, it surely is insinuated that the Jews killed Christ. And every year, a whole lotta Catholics also watch the passion of the Christ, which is a big Catholic propaganda piece against the Jews. So say what u want, the message is being sent to folks!
Read Sacrosanctum Concilium
Cardinal Suenens: “Vatican II is the French Revolution in the Church”
O? Suenens wasn’t beheaded, was he?
@@BibleAlivePresentations Arh, no. He also said: “The Second Vatican Council marked the end of an epoch; and if we stand back from it a little more we see it marked the end of a series of epochs, the end of an age”
if the pagan religions are valid, why did the early martyrs have to die?
hi class
Hear ye! You are not God. God will never allow Her Church to fail . Even any alleged error will be used by God. So stop the Pharisaic anger, trust in God and focus on your own sanctity
Vatican II is the great apostasy Saint Paul told us in 2 Thessalonians 2,
Saint Paul wasn’t talking about anything 20 centuries of head of his time
@@BibleAlivePresentations of course Saint Paul is because Christ hasn’t returned yet he says before Christ returns they will be a great apostasy