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So when I first stumbled upon this video I was going to go on a rant about how the CF should be avoided at all costs primarily due to the politicians (a view I still very much believe) but the more I got into the video the more impressed I was by it. Fecken good job! Showing some of the old FN footage brought back memories for me and putting in some Gwynne Dyer clips just nailed it! In my opinion Canada should be like Sweden (a much smaller country) used to be; neutral, unaligned with NATO or NORAD and have our own defense industry (owned by Canadians). Also, everyone knows that enlistment and personnel retention numbers are seriously low in the CF and I believe that it is a direct result of political interference (wokeness). Unfortunately I doubt I will see any serious change in my lifetime.
Well atleast Oxide kept the bar set low with the first video in this series... Assembling rare individual kit, building out a C-8 fully semiautomatic clone, showing range footage of the gear/rifle in a live fire demonstration, NVG footage with IR performance testing, 2 separate ballistic tests, Battle Order collaboration about infantry unit structure weapon/troop configuration, additional context regarding future replacement equipment or past alternative configurations... Ya know just keeping it simple for this first installment. 😂🙌
@@wurzel9671 Oh well I'm actually proud to be within two numbers and three designations on random pics of Canadian Colts/Diemaco AR patterns... Same with origin countries of AKs and various patterns... I can get close, but I'm usually wrong at the end of the day! 😆👍
Currently on a Canadian infantry course. All points are good to go. Few add ons: Issued rucks dont work super well with the kit, mainly waist belt. Apparently, it was a good idea to remove all the padding where it sits on your hips and make what remains slightly softer than steel. The rifles we have for course are more warn than battalion's and have some play between the receivers but are still accurate enough. Easily making 2MOA groups from prone at 200m with mine. NVG mounts are hard to get tight enough to stop sliding side to side. New high cut Galvion helmets are in the pipeline and some battalions are buying them with their funds already. From what I know, a good competitor to Team Wendy or Opscore. No info on ballistic tests however. Battalions are getting CADPAT molle rigs issued slowly. Essentially just a front of a plate carrier with a harness back. Much better modularity. Tests have been run on integrating an ATAK style system for platoons. Good impressions, needs to iron out bugs. Greatly improves command and control. We gripe that we dont get full Crye and HK416s but all in all, if the helmets get upgraded and we move to plate carriers, everything else is good to go. 5.56 out of a 20in barrel will make someone have a very bad day, especially when its carried by a bunch of people dressed in relish
I got a few issues with what you said First, the rusksack is not as bad as you are making out to be and i have i have never really heard or experienced the issued you apparently have, The waist strap is great its stiff and padded and helps me put a 70/30 on my hips when my ruck is loaded with 110lbs of gear strapped to it. The course rifles are just shitty training rifles that are old converted C7A1 rifles that have passed through tens of thousands of hands over decades and yet they shoot great and work fine, regiment rifles are proper. Im pretty sure you just dont know how to rig your NVG to your helmet or your NVG mount was broken. Never heard of that issue before
Just be grateful you aren't cowering behind sand coloured blankets with a PRC77 and a 82 pattern battle webbing held together with hockey tape. Procurement never fails to provide the right equipment once the operation is over.
@@DR-fc1ey Exacly, this just sounds like problems from an inexperienced soldier just out of an infantry course. Rucks are fine and NVG does not slide when mounted properly
Couple of fun points from a former Canadian Forces reservist. We have rucks and small packs issued as well. the new gen rucksack is the CTS ruck a rather terrible pack huge, not designed to integrate with kit, and has a terrible load transfer system. Some troops still used the 82 pattern packs if they had them (or found a decent one surplus on the cheap), though TT malice pack, 64 pattern (a canadian design still in production from a couple of gear companies in country) are also popular, with newer designs like Mystery Ranch and Crossfire popping up occasionally. that said 82 and 64 pattern are more common as they were either issues, or are available in CADPAT for common use. For a daypack/assault pack we were issued a 35ish liter top loading cadpat 'smallpack', they were decent with 2 options for shoulder straps a standard and a short/small length for those that needed it. Interestingly they had load lifter, standard friction length adjustment and a sort of 'yoke' strap i've never seen on any other pack (personally I found the strap fantastic for adjusting the angle of attack the straps ran over you shoulders making them some of the most comfortable I've ever used. For private purchase small packs the most common ones I saw were 5.11 72 and Mystery ranch packs (3dap, and larger) every so often there'd be some other ones (I myself used savotta, or Camelbak motherlode UK). Colors you'd see were Coyote, OD, and Black if CADPAT could not be found. With helmet most units worked with issued fishnet helmet covers to go over the camo cover, these would then be scrimmed (it was common to use old uniforms sections, random scraps of fabric, or the sand traps out of decent quality pants). most everyone I worked with had 1 or more nalgene water bottles with them/on their small pack for water in conjunction with the 1l and 2l issued water bottles. Hydration bladders while not uncommon were not issued to us and would need to be bought when wanted. Lastly for you there were 3 issued gloves, goatskin cadpat gloves (terrible because the seams were on the fingertips and thus useless), neoprene/nylon 'mortar' gloves better, but less durable, and the issue winter mits, large warm but not ideal for general usage an wearing. thats all that comes to mind. Cheers
I've heard the weight being anywhere from 8-20lbs, so there a bit of exaggeration but its just awful. The 'frame' on it is a pair of metal rods running up the pack, I know at least one unit teaching troops to pull the frame out and just run it without turning the pack into a ball on your back, with the advantage being you can run the pack below your shoulders for recce -with the advice of buy a pack that actually works. @@davidoftheforest I've had and used both at one point or another (did some larping with the alice) and the CTS is definitely a heavier feeling pack, I think part of that is just the weight of the fabric and materials that canada uses being just bad. @Oxide_does_his_best
They're fantastic packs, I use a g2 warrior gear mounted high, only complaint I have with mine is there's no way for me to mount the valise below without still using the A7A straps. and bonus if you don't have one yet CP gear just did a run of new 64pattern frames, which I find are much more comfortable than the alice or down east frames with the pack.@@HobnailJohn
One of my pals forwarded me this. Turns out I'm actually in this video around the 17 minute mark eating lunch with my guys on the ramp of our LAV. I have to admit you did a pretty damn good job on the little synopsis here. Good work.
“If you’re not willing and able to defend your territory then you’re not a country at all” - How much the narrative in this country has shifted in such a short time
@@killharryCool think about monarchy is that one day a good king shall surely come and he can essentially just dissolve parliament and bring this country back to its pre-1963 state.
Current infantry reserve soldier here - The issued tac vest you have on is commonly referred to as the snack vest and most people after their basic and trade qualification course go out and buy their own rigs. If you see people wearing the issued vest its either their unit doesn't allowed aftermarket rigs, they don't want to spend the money on a rig, or they're not a combat arms trade so they almost never use the vest anyways. - Our winter kit is very good even if some of the issued stuff is old, the biggest downside is its heavy and bulky so it sucks carrying around all that extra weight. But you can survive up in the artic no problem with it. - The issued small pack is good if you just want some thing to dump items into, but other than that it sucks because there's no pouches integral to the bag other than the top flap or ways to properly organize stuff. It comes with pouches you can attach but they don't use molle to attach so i find they flop around and feel loose with any weight in them. So again most people buy their own packs once qualified. The old style ruck sucks the new one isn't too bad, the biggest issues are the waist belt and load bearing system aren't the best when you're wearing kit so you'll feel it after some rucking, if you're not wearing any kit its not too bad. - The current helmets suck they need to replace them all with lowcut opscore type helmets. The helmets are bulky and heavy, they don't have integrated NVG mounts and the mounting system used doesn't have any kind of counterweight for the NVGs so your head and neck aren't going to like it - Our service rifles are built better and perform better than the American variants, better barrels etc. Matter of fact many special forces units in other countries use Canadian built rifles instead of the American ones. Not to mention they're ambidextrous as well, I personally like the standard issue aluminum mags they don't have the ridges and bumps like p mags and they fit better and smoother in mag pouches particularly when it comes to indexing and putting back empty mags right side up in your vest - Another point to note some units do allow non issued accessories on the c7 rifle, so sometimes you'll see people put their own hand guards, fore grip, or butt stock. Also the issued sling isn't that comfortable after long long periods of time, so many people opt for their own slings with wider and better padding or easier adjustability.
To comment on the C7/C8 quarks with the rifle, the current cocking handle regularly breaks. The "raptor claw" on the cocking handle breaking all the time during regular use and has to be replaced. I had an instantance where 3 of them broke during one class. As well it isn't mentioned in your video but you may find it interesting. The new C22 (p320) pistol the army has moved too, boosts an ambidextrous slide release. But currently the left handed release is none functional on any of the pistols that I've seen.
@@Oxide_does_his_best I don't know if we even have a "C" name for the Inglis Hi-power lol, but I know guys in the reserves who haven't been able to get a single mag through them with how worn out they are.
I was in cadets just before covid and got to play with a bunch of the weapons they had at a nearby base got to play up to the c9 and whatever the 240 is called here same as a pre used m72 didnt have the c22 yet just a hi power which was cool to hold
@@charlesdemers1197 Our issued hi powers are literally 1944 to mid 1950s vintage John Inglis produced hi powers that have been constantly used and abused for almost 80 years. I'm amazed any of them still function at this point lmao
"let me know if you're a Canadian soldier and you got some things to mention" Oh boy, it's my time to shine!!! Infantry reservist experience here we go! 1. First off... that tac vest is already obsolete in the regular force. Only reservists get those vests now (I should know, that's my issued vest as a reservist LMAO). The reg force tac vest is a very thin CADPAT MOLLE vest that is fully customizable to the soldiers needs and is most frequently seen on soldiers on deployment. That one is FAR better than the fucking fishing vest you got. ALSO, there are aftermarket components designed to make the tac vest much better, with the most frequently seen being the reflex mag insert that converts that shitty buckle and velcro setup into a more modern friction based setup. 2. While ammunition is still issued in 30 rounds boxes of plastic stripper clips and loaders, we don't get issued those 150 round bandoliers anymore. We usually just shove the extra ammunition boxes in our small packs or tac vests. 5 mags is the standard for domestic training and ops, while 10 mags is the standard for actual overseas operations and deployments. 3. The new CADPAT is slowly starting to get issued, but even within the reg force it's rare to see. Not super common. Also, wearing our own privately purchased kit strongly depends on the unit; some are 100% ok with it, while others prohibit it entirely. 4. There's loads of differences between the C7 and C8 variants, but the biggest difference between your mock C8 and the actual C8 is the barrel profile; Canada only ever used the pencil profile for the very early C8s and has opted for a 15.7 inch heavy profile barrel with a simon sleeve behind the flash suppressor. This sleeve eliminates bayonet wobble on the barrel and allows our M203A1s (Yes, that's what we call our short M203 that you mentioned in the video) to be attached with a system that differs heavily from how the US attaches their M203s. Also, your rifle has the current gen ambi cocking handle; the previous gen one had a hook for the extension and the main latch was larger. Those ones were held in place by solid pins that would break CONSTANTLY due to our current handling drills requiring near nonstop use of that handle for reloads that pressing the bolt catch could do faster. Other things to mention include that we don't issue the thermold mags anymore and are now using USGI style mags with the black vietnam style followers, that we use H2 weighted buffers on all our C7s and C8s, a norgon style ambi mag release, and that most guys almost never get those BUIS you showed (which, btw, the guy in the picture has it mounted backwards, a common sight due to most guys never using them or having any idea how to use them properly. See SmallArmSolutions video on the C7A1 to see how to actually use those BUIS properly). 5. The 400 dollar boot program is known as BOOTFORGEN and as of right now new recruits are getting issued brown boots that are complete garbage and look like something out of WW1 LMAO. Anyone with half a brain immediately went and got their own boots the second BOOTFORGEN became a thing. My recommendation? Anything Lowas. Easily the best aftermarket combat boots out there. My two pairs have NEVER failed me. 6. In the future, the C8A4 is slated to replace all current C8A3s and C7A2s in service. It's supposed to have two variants; one short (roughly 11 inch) barrel version with a suppressor for most support trades, and a 15.7 inch heavy barrel like the C8A3 for the combat arms trades. Both variants will be flat dark earth in colour, use magpul CTR stocks and grips, have a monolithic M-Lok free float rail, and are supposed to go with Elcan Spectres as the replacement optic. During the testing you alluded to, Magpul P-Mags were also tested. Most guys here would LOVE to use our personally owned P-Mags instead of our USGI mags as previously mentioned. The timeline when everyone is supposedly getting these is currently not known for certain.
@@wurzel9671 its a very different mounting system. Intended for a regular troop to be able to install and remove without much difficulty. Front bracket requires the same diameter as a USGI barrel right before the gas blocl vs the skinny portion like the US version. The simon sleeve is 100% neccesary for M203A1 mounting on a C8A3 carbine.
The "iron" sights on the C79 frequently erode due to being made from the same rubber as the housing. I've personally never seen a C79 that didn't have worn out irons. Also, I believe backup front sights are mostly used by the navy as a magnified optic isn't really ideal at sea, both due to range and corrosion. There's a couple accessory fragmentation pieces that can be worn on the frag vest, such as shoulder and neck pieces. They're not too comfortable allegedly. Only problem with this video is, not enough time spent bitching about the tac vest. That thing sucks.
Fyi, the official terminology for the different CADPAT variants is TW (Temperate Woodland), AR (Arid Regions), and of course the new MT (Multi-Terrain). Great video!
I didnt have Battle order and Oxide crossover on my 2024 bingo card. Man I enjoyed everything about this video, the attention to detail, the info, the music. Great job yall.
Not sure what the rifle mags are today but I served from 1986 till 2005 and saw the C7 rifle come in replacing the FN C1 rifle. We initially started with plastic mags (re - use, not disposable) and very quickly switched to the same magazines used by the United States Marine Corps. the plastic mags were famous for having the lips on the feed tray break and render the mag unusable. Great video, thanks very much. Andrew S LdSH(RC)
Can say the C79 is one of the most rock solid optics I've ever had the pleasure of using. I've never seen the optic take a drop that didn't need more than rezeroing, if anything at all.
as a canadian with a family history of military service i love to see canadian equipment getting some love. most of our current inventory was introduced in '84 and we arent set to fully replace all of it until 2030. i wish we would take our military more seriously
Glad we don't considering the citizenry is pretty much set at this point to overthrow the gov- this crappy equip will make all our lives easier when the time comes
@@TheGistwithJosh Have you ever been in the military? id assume not by the basement dwelling not allowed within 200m of a sandbox profile picture of yourself you got there. I was 3rd battalion PPCLI for 13 years you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to anything military, So lets stick to things you know about like failing at comedy.
@@TheGistwithJoshHarper did what he could. We need a man with the spirit of Diefenbaker, the honour of Borden, and the ability to get shit done of MacDonald.
But we wouldn't have anywhere near enough money for anything. What we need is a huge military spending package aimed to revitalize the Canadian arms manufacturing. Then we can undertake aiding other countries without it being a detrement to our current inventory.
Man, I got sent here by Battle Order and I'm glad I was! This video is so good in explaining everything about the loadout and also showing all the gear in person while talking about the tiniest details and future changes! Really impressed and looking forward to seeing more of these for other NATO countries. You probalby won't need it, but if you need Dutch translated give me a shout!
TW CADPAT is incredible for Canadian woodland, the number of times someone has almost stepped on me on stalking exercises is beyond count so I'm sad to see it go, but as the video stated, the Army is expected to fight everywhere but here. The C7A2 is a very good package minus the "death claw" charging handle that is notoriously fragile and catches on gear. The C8A3 is a bit of a pain as it's just a copy of the SFW, a carbine spec'd with a 15.7" HBAR for the SAS, and then made heavier still with a simon sleeve for the M203. It's stupid heavy, not what you'd want for a light and handy infantry carbine at all.
@@avroarchitect1793 Great concept until the USSR collapsed and now fighting is most likely to be in eastern Europe after the former soviet satellites started banging on NATO's door begging to be let in
Clicking on this, I wasn't sure what to expect. I must say, it was better than I expected. Looks like not much has changed since I retired after 35 yrs in the infantry. Since the latter half of my time in was spent as a fulltime reservist, I'm not as intimately familiar with LAV SOPs. I'd like to say the reserve infantry is 'light' but, in reality, it's just poor and 'dismounted'. For both my tours in Afghanistan (full disclosure - as an old staff officer, not a hard-charging killer) I was issued 300 rds and 10 mags with a C7 A2. I also got a BHP with 2 mags on tour 1 and 3 mags on tour 2. Of course, there are only 4 mag slots on the issued LBV. I was able to offset this by purchasing 2 x flat mag holders (2 mags in each) from CP Gear. They have straps and velcro to integrate into the vest behind the basic pouch on one side and the canteen on the other. With this set up, I was able to have 8 mags in the vest, one on the rifle and the last either in my basic pouch or left behind. I did my dismounted company commander's crse in the late 90s and para coy, 3 Vandoo provided the company of soldiers used to train us. They were wearing a trial version of the vest in OD. They loved it at the time (all others and us were wearing 82 pat webbing). That trial is probably how we wound up with what we wound up with. In their defence, much of the army wasn't particularly as operationally minded as they thought they were.... "why would you need more than 5 mags?"... they refused to issue pistols to anyone (like C6 gunners, rather than having a rifle slung over their backs)... "you're just going to lose it..." The new gear fell under the title of 'Clothe the Soldier'. We referred to it as, 'Tease the Soldier'. around 2002-ish a rep from Tease showed up from Ottawa to brief us on new gear status. He brought out the new vest expecting us to gush over it. We surprised him by demanding where the modularity was? How do we move/add pouches? Where do extra mags go? He seemed stunned at our reaction. He stated it was unlikely that an infantryman would have more than 5 mags. However, they were working on a plan to issue a plastic insert (like a 4 or 5 slot shelf) that would go into the basic pouch. Okay, we said. Where does the stuff evicted from the pouch go? What if a rifleman is required to carry an extra belt for the C9 gunner?... crickets...
Thank you oxide please continue making videos. my grandpa just got diagnosed with blood clots. This video helped make my day better. it’s so cool learning about different kits from around the world.
Going to have to tell my buddy to watch this video because he's in it. He's the guy rocking the Carl G at 15:35. I also like that the CadPat that you ended up finding has pants that are so faded they are starting to turn white, pretty much the standard for anyone not on deployment. Anyways, sweet video, I look forward to seeing the next project in this series.
@@CreEpeRneSs125 Sometimes people randomly record things while in the field or on course. Theres a lot of Infantry DP1 course videos on youtube and the CAF really really likes posting their own official videos and photos from courses and exercises.
On issued lowers of the c7/c8 there is a norgon ambi mag release but no fencing to protect it, which ironically causes accidental mag drops all the time but only for rightys when slinging against kit. Leftys it faces outwards when slung.
Yea dude thats why you can adjust the mag release, i have never once accidentally dropped a mag because of a few reasons... the sling is for support and not to hold your rifle for you, only time i wrap my sling around me is when i sling it on my back. I also properly adjusting your mag release will prevent the mag release from releasing.
God as a Canadian we need to absolutely modernize our standard infantry kit. We are so stuck in the past it’s disgusting. We are not combat effective, and we will suffer for it in the next war. It’s just sad that we have to issue this long since forgotten type of kit to our warfighters
I'm not sure there's ANY army in the world issuing non-dogshit kit and personal equipment to their conventional forces - maybe Denmark, with their Tyr armor vest?
I love the accuracy of this video. I was a Patricia for a while and this guy seems to know more than I care to remember. The C8 I used to use had a very similar barrel, same furniture. The sights on top of the Elcans are mostly all worn away since they're rubber. I didn't notice yours was an FN. What you said about the use of non-issued chest rigs and the unanimous dislike of the issued vest holds true.
Really interesting video to see as a current member of the infantry up here, thanks for the video. and man, that tac vest is actually sent from hell Everything was bang on, only thing to add is that the PEQ-2’s we use are the 2A which is a slightly upgraded one which has roughly the same power as a PEQ-15
RCR here, with the vests, the fishing vest is the Army's typical vest, however REG force Infantry typically gets the MOD Vest. It's a blank slate tac vest and you just put all your mag pouches, smoke pouches, nade, radio, water etc on it
"maybe something better than the specter has come out since" actually fun fact, RTX (Raytheon/Elcan optics/Armament corp.) *just* released a new generation of Elcan SpecterDR with a bunch of improvements, so it very much could be the case that its selected as a replacement to the c79 once new rifle upgrades are done due to familiar controls and ease of manufacturing. Great vid on our gear, if you want a far more modern up to date part of our forces to look at, check out CSOR (Canadian Special Operations Regiment) they get all the new fun stuff that Colt Canada makes like the MRR and C20 DMR.
As of right now Our army has enough ammo to last for 3 days if at war. To the point that if every soldier had to qualify on rifles in one day, there wouldn't be enough ammo to get everyone qualified. We were once a great army with great soldiers, sadly under recent shitty govts we are but a shell of the army we should be.
As soon as we got to batallion at 3VP thr issued tac vest usually went into your locker and stayed there unless you were on an ex where the higher ups actually gave a shit about issued kit. Most guys just bought their own stuff (especially c9 gunners) because the tacvest cant hold boxes for shit.
I've still got my issued backup iron sight. Been out for like 10 years now, found it a few years ago hiding in the bottom of a moving box. Its made of plastic, has a Diemaco emblem on the side, and generally is a thing for aiming a firearm.
Infantry here to further add a bit: The tac-vest, also called fishing vest here, totally sucks ass. I never use the bottom pouches, changing mags prone is ass. And you don't have enough space for what really matters. The frag vest, although very outdated and bulkiy is quite snug, it's like being hugged. The velcros are pretty much impossible to wear out to be honest, haven't seen a single one where it broke or tore off since you have the velcro flap on top of it to double secure. Now units are pushing for plate carriers and such. The helmet is ass, both versions. The new one is just the same, but lighter. Really a joke that it took so many years to roll out. Heard anglo units are getting high cuts, but here franco wise, didn't get a memo about this. The C8 is very heavy for it's size due to a complaint coming from Special Forces troops. They weren't used to the recoil handling of the lighter version, so they asked the designers to add weights on the barrel cover to make it feel like a C7, weight wise. The C79 optic is fine ish for anything under 500, over 500 it gets tricky and doesn't do enough sadly. It's quite a good sight tho for both eye relief and tunnel vision people. The new Multicam Cadpat, although I was really against at first, due to our woodland cadpat being to darn effective even at 50m in wooded area and the reputation of being the Relish army, I quite like it. Makes us look modern and to be fair, we're probably never gonna fight on Canadian soil. They'll keep Cadpat around for situations like the Baltics/Finland being invaded. I myself am often the C9 gunner, so I bought myself a B25U with a RK1, because for some damn unknown reason, nobody in the west thought of adding an angled grip for their mg gunners. And not to brag too much, but a lot of competitions where Canadians are involved, we beat a lot of bigger and better funded armies. Just wish our procurement didn't waste so much money, so we could afford good gear.
@@Oxide_does_his_best Much harder to get now with sanctions on Russian gear as well. Glad I spent 20$ for the combo. Would've cost me 50+ for any other kind of decent grip in the west...
As a Canadian citizen, this is such a cool and informative video, especially since I plan to eventually enlist in the army, so I'm glad that I can get a glimpse at the kit that I one day might be wearing.
As an Australian I would be eternally grateful for a video on the Australian infantryman, great vid as per usual. The Canadian infantry seems very outdated however. Edit: In Thought it would be very interesting to shine some light on how the Australian defense force has adapted foreign gear to fit our uses and also the fact that we are fairly isolated (apart from NZ) and how we adapt items such as the Steyr AUG etc. Noticing how much of Europe and Northern America is connected not only geographically but also militarily speaking, it seems to have had a profound effect on how armies function based on your neighbors. IE, I assume there is more to the fact that Canada has adopted basically the same rifle as the USA then just them liking it as it would make sense to be like your neighbor and ally in times of war such as the almost universal adoption of 5.56 with NATO and allied countries.
dudes still get issued the shitty fishing vest but as far as i know in my battalion they can issue the cadpat SORD tac vests. a few of the C9/C6 gunners i've seen in the past few times on ex just get clip ons to the frag vest to hold their shit and nutsack pouches instead of the big ass C9 box pouches if they are a dedicated machine gunner. The standard we're supposed to adopt is supposed to be 10 mag 2 frag and 1 smoke for riflemen but if you didnt buy enough pouches you could probably use the pouches for the SORD vest but it'd look pretty wack with the different colours
*Infanteer*. Sorry, as a former royal, it bothers me to hear "infantryman". The Yanks use "infantryman" and as a proud Canadian, I can't let the monomer slide. I did two tours to Kandahar as a C9 gunner. The first thing I did was ditch the tac vest. Utterly useless, even 15 years ago.
Ironic that Canada restricts AR15's from their civilians, but their industry made better AR's from the period of the M16A2 until the M4A1. The C7 is a way better M16A2, and the C8 was a good bit better than the first gen M4. It was more modular earlier, had the simpler more combat focused A1 irons, and lacked the bullshit 3 round burst in favor of good old full send mode.
I mean kind of restricted But also we do have restricted weapons licences dude and those let you have all kinds of weapons But yah it’s far more complicated and nuanced then that and depends largely on where you live What you do with guns And who you are
@@malloperator no people still have and can get restricted licenses They literally made them easier to get but otherwise didn’t change them They changed what you can own on an unrestricted license
@@malloperator also you can just be native Then you can own fully automatic military assault rifles all day becusee Canadian laws don’t really apply to reserves and legally you can’t disarm us I can own a harrier jet with bombs if I want to 😁
[Warning: This comment is very long, including things I found interesting] 8:47 I am surprised that the CG634 helmet didn't perform well in this video, compared to other tests. From looking at the helmet with its black rubber rim, it is a 1st Gen CG634 helmet. Made out of Spectrafiber (same ballistics as kevlar, but having a longer storage/service life than kevlars) and the helmet made by a French Company in Canada named Gallet. The company produced CG634s from late 90s to 2004 until MSA, an American company, took over and produced the gen 2s/kevlar version of the CG634 helmet. With green plastic rims and the words "MSA" on the buckle. With the rollout of CM735 helmets, there are technically 3 helmets in use by CAF soldiers. Gen 1 and Gen 2 CG634 helmets (Gen 1s continue to be in service, older or beaten up ones ended up on military surplus or destroyed) and the new CM735 which is lighter and has no brim. As far as I'm aware from the last time I saw images of the CM735, it has the same liner as the CG634 helmets, unless they have moved to pads with the images shown in the video at 9:39 Sources/info on CG634 helmets and a ballistic test video: th-cam.com/video/7A8ElHOMX04/w-d-xo.html (Cg634 "Movie") th-cam.com/video/_MVx_ol_r30/w-d-xo.html (Canadian CG634 helmet) th-cam.com/video/MOp3uDChGaI/w-d-xo.html (Ballistic test on a Gen 1 CG634 helmet, identified by the black rubber rim) Incorrect looks/items/images I have found in the video: 5:28 Bayonet and Frog The C7 Nella Bayonet shown is incorrect, that version of the C7 bayonet and bayonet frog was used on the Canadian M82 Pattern webbing. Since 2004, the bayonet used is the CAN 2000 Bayonet and a molle frog/carrier originally made for the vest prior to the tack vest (Canadian LBV/Load Bearing Vest) 10:49 C7/C8 PMags I honestly don't know why every creator slaps a PMag onto C7A2s and C8A3s, becoming a common occurrence, but this is incorrect. When the C7 rolled out in 1984 (officially that is, most troops did not receive the early C7 until the 90s, images of the 4th CMBG in Mainland Europe being a example), it was issued with these PMag magazines, the idea being that these mags would be one use. Sadly they weren't produced in large numbers, thus being used as reusable magazines. This created problems as after some use over time, the lips of the magazine would break, the Pmags were unpopular with the troops. By 1990, the standard metal NATO magazine would begin issue, by mid and late 1990s, the Pmags would be entirely replaced with the metal ones, just in time for 2000. (It is still a mystery why every creator slaps a Pmag on these rifles/carbines when no Infantrymen in the CAF uses them, due to poor use and reputation in the 80s) 12:48 Modern PMags are more common with Canadian Special Forces, troops are only allowed the standard NATO metal magazine.
do you have the next nation fingered out? I'd be interested in seeing a Sweden infantry overview which shouldn't be too hard since a decent amount of the kit is online from Varusteleka and other sites and with Pindad making an import of FNC (I'd imagine that someone will make AK5 kits for them). Thanks for all the good content. I'll get on patron when I have my home situation settled and furnished.
@@Oxide_does_his_bestif it's what I think it is. It actually makes a surprising amount of sense coming off the Canadian video. Considering the nature of the firearms market up there. But we'll see if I'm right.
@@malloperator I found sources for the stuff but I would have to travel far beyond what my job would allow so in the interest of time and cost I’ll just stick to civ
The flashlights, lasers and generally anything fancy are rarely ever issued out. All of the C7/C8's are mostly beat to shit and can be really unreliable, Receiver play is usually enough to stack dimes in, and the charging handles either break or catch on everything. Never even seen a backup sight lmao. The C79's kicking around still often struggle to hold zero and will often not stay tight on the rails no matter how hard you crank those knobs down lol. Anything nice you often have to buy yourself as it just outright won't be issued. INCLUDING NAME TAGS. The daypack is nice, but the new ruck is MASSIVE and conflicts with the belt system and/or vest on plate carrier system. Very janky, very uncomfortable. The uniforms are nice, generally no issues with those. The cg63's nightvision mount is really hard to get your hands on and often can't be tightened enough to stop it from sliding around. I could go on for hours but generally speaking our kit is straight bad compared to may other countries. All we have going for us is CADPAT. I'm glad you're getting some enjoyment out of it, cause none of us when I was in the CAF did lol.
i just left but i was in the RCAC and it feels cool having videos on Canadas military pop up on my feed. keep up the great vids, shitpump. although we would carry our ammo in five mags in our vest in the armor corps I'm glad you're calling out the fishing vest for what it is. and the boot stipend is gone
When I was in I'd fold down the front velcro shoulder straps under the tacvest, and slacked the over strap as far as they would go allowing the mag pouches to sit around my belly.
we have an extra picatinny section on the back portion of the upper receiver, and it's supposed to look like a slope instead of being straight like US M4s
Update: I completed basic training in May, im about to start my DP1 infantry course tomorrow at 0800! Shit is about to suck but be fun until December. Will update again if I pass my course.
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Please excuse the minor graphical glitches and the cut audio at the end. I got tired of re rendering the project, and honestly tired of working on it.
Nice to see you upload again Gondola Pilot man
Hi oxide!
So when I first stumbled upon this video I was going to go on a rant about how the CF should be avoided at all costs primarily due to the politicians (a view I still very much believe) but the more I got into the video the more impressed I was by it.
Fecken good job! Showing some of the old FN footage brought back memories for me and putting in some Gwynne Dyer clips just nailed it!
In my opinion Canada should be like Sweden (a much smaller country) used to be; neutral, unaligned with NATO or NORAD and have our own defense industry (owned by Canadians).
Also, everyone knows that enlistment and personnel retention numbers are seriously low in the CF and I believe that it is a direct result of political interference (wokeness).
Unfortunately I doubt I will see any serious change in my lifetime.
SAM! You're a big fat PHONY!
Hey check out LA police gears plates. Thier are a lot of videos but i would like to see your findings.
The quality put into this is epic. Thank you for a fantastic vid
Squad hit the canadian models correctly
@OperatorDrewski , I'm an infantry soldier with the CAF, I'd die to game or play squad with you mate.
Yes Sirrrrrr!! >:D
@@Jzemire i hope youre safe
@seanprice7645 I'm not hostile. I just don't see how it was relevant to what I originally posted. I'm not political my guy.
When we wanted him the most he returned.
I was legit thinking about him yesterday!
Balls of Steel
He busy af these days
Well atleast Oxide kept the bar set low with the first video in this series... Assembling rare individual kit, building out a C-8 fully semiautomatic clone, showing range footage of the gear/rifle in a live fire demonstration, NVG footage with IR performance testing, 2 separate ballistic tests, Battle Order collaboration about infantry unit structure weapon/troop configuration, additional context regarding future replacement equipment or past alternative configurations... Ya know just keeping it simple for this first installment. 😂🙌
Dude I know, I was honestly blown away by the quality of this video, and I already have a high standard (in my mind) for his videos
@@ArizonaAstraLLCYeah he really outdid himself, his quality and depth just keeps growing. I'm excited to see what's to come!
Not a C8 though
@@wurzel9671 Oh well I'm actually proud to be within two numbers and three designations on random pics of Canadian Colts/Diemaco AR patterns... Same with origin countries of AKs and various patterns... I can get close, but I'm usually wrong at the end of the day! 😆👍
Currently on a Canadian infantry course. All points are good to go. Few add ons:
Issued rucks dont work super well with the kit, mainly waist belt. Apparently, it was a good idea to remove all the padding where it sits on your hips and make what remains slightly softer than steel.
The rifles we have for course are more warn than battalion's and have some play between the receivers but are still accurate enough. Easily making 2MOA groups from prone at 200m with mine.
NVG mounts are hard to get tight enough to stop sliding side to side. New high cut Galvion helmets are in the pipeline and some battalions are buying them with their funds already. From what I know, a good competitor to Team Wendy or Opscore. No info on ballistic tests however.
Battalions are getting CADPAT molle rigs issued slowly. Essentially just a front of a plate carrier with a harness back. Much better modularity.
Tests have been run on integrating an ATAK style system for platoons. Good impressions, needs to iron out bugs. Greatly improves command and control.
We gripe that we dont get full Crye and HK416s but all in all, if the helmets get upgraded and we move to plate carriers, everything else is good to go. 5.56 out of a 20in barrel will make someone have a very bad day, especially when its carried by a bunch of people dressed in relish
What kind of PT are you doing on course? Starting soon and wanna know what to expect.
I got a few issues with what you said
First, the rusksack is not as bad as you are making out to be and i have i have never really heard or experienced the issued you apparently have,
The waist strap is great its stiff and padded and helps me put a 70/30 on my hips when my ruck is loaded with 110lbs of gear strapped to it.
The course rifles are just shitty training rifles that are old converted C7A1 rifles that have passed through tens of thousands of hands over decades and yet they shoot great and work fine, regiment rifles are proper.
Im pretty sure you just dont know how to rig your NVG to your helmet or your NVG mount was broken. Never heard of that issue before
You mean the same issues we had 20 years ago? Good luck man.
Just be grateful you aren't cowering behind sand coloured blankets with a PRC77 and a 82 pattern battle webbing held together with hockey tape. Procurement never fails to provide the right equipment once the operation is over.
@@DR-fc1ey Exacly, this just sounds like problems from an inexperienced soldier just out of an infantry course. Rucks are fine and NVG does not slide when mounted properly
Couple of fun points from a former Canadian Forces reservist.
We have rucks and small packs issued as well. the new gen rucksack is the CTS ruck a rather terrible pack huge, not designed to integrate with kit, and has a terrible load transfer system. Some troops still used the 82 pattern packs if they had them (or found a decent one surplus on the cheap), though TT malice pack, 64 pattern (a canadian design still in production from a couple of gear companies in country) are also popular, with newer designs like Mystery Ranch and Crossfire popping up occasionally.
that said 82 and 64 pattern are more common as they were either issues, or are available in CADPAT for common use.
For a daypack/assault pack we were issued a 35ish liter top loading cadpat 'smallpack', they were decent with 2 options for shoulder straps a standard and a short/small length for those that needed it. Interestingly they had load lifter, standard friction length adjustment and a sort of 'yoke' strap i've never seen on any other pack (personally I found the strap fantastic for adjusting the angle of attack the straps ran over you shoulders making them some of the most comfortable I've ever used.
For private purchase small packs the most common ones I saw were 5.11 72 and Mystery ranch packs (3dap, and larger) every so often there'd be some other ones (I myself used savotta, or Camelbak motherlode UK). Colors you'd see were Coyote, OD, and Black if CADPAT could not be found.
With helmet most units worked with issued fishnet helmet covers to go over the camo cover, these would then be scrimmed (it was common to use old uniforms sections, random scraps of fabric, or the sand traps out of decent quality pants).
most everyone I worked with had 1 or more nalgene water bottles with them/on their small pack for water in conjunction with the 1l and 2l issued water bottles. Hydration bladders while not uncommon were not issued to us and would need to be bought when wanted.
Lastly for you there were 3 issued gloves, goatskin cadpat gloves (terrible because the seams were on the fingertips and thus useless), neoprene/nylon 'mortar' gloves better, but less durable, and the issue winter mits, large warm but not ideal for general usage an wearing.
thats all that comes to mind.
Cheers
CTS: Clothe The Soldier lol I heard the rucksack is like 12 pounds empty
@@davidoftheforest That'll happen with frames though. I think a large Alice is like 11 pounds empty
I've heard the weight being anywhere from 8-20lbs, so there a bit of exaggeration but its just awful. The 'frame' on it is a pair of metal rods running up the pack, I know at least one unit teaching troops to pull the frame out and just run it without turning the pack into a ball on your back, with the advantage being you can run the pack below your shoulders for recce -with the advice of buy a pack that actually works. @@davidoftheforest
I've had and used both at one point or another (did some larping with the alice) and the CTS is definitely a heavier feeling pack, I think part of that is just the weight of the fabric and materials that canada uses being just bad. @Oxide_does_his_best
Ive got a modern version of one of those 64 pattern packs that I got, almost out of curiosity as much as anything else, and I really like it.
They're fantastic packs, I use a g2 warrior gear mounted high, only complaint I have with mine is there's no way for me to mount the valise below without still using the A7A straps.
and bonus if you don't have one yet CP gear just did a run of new 64pattern frames, which I find are much more comfortable than the alice or down east frames with the pack.@@HobnailJohn
One of my pals forwarded me this. Turns out I'm actually in this video around the 17 minute mark eating lunch with my guys on the ramp of our LAV. I have to admit you did a pretty damn good job on the little synopsis here. Good work.
Left or right?
Right
That's gotta be pretty cool! Was it Latvia by chance?
Yeah Latvia. It was pretty "meh" as far as deployments go. The country itself is quite nice.
@@teranceelford6537 How was the italian contingent in the BG? Was there proper support and equipment? (Obv i'm italian lol)
Btw my wife likes the soundtrack. She will never get a Battle Order video with Rush
Awesome to see my favorite youtuber here. Could you do a video on the armored vehicles of Canada. Like the tanks. I love your maple fury video.
Lmao ⬆️
You’re gay
@MadeAnAccountOnlyToReplyToThisget rekt
>my wife's boyfriend
FTFY
“If you’re not willing and able to defend your territory then you’re not a country at all” - How much the narrative in this country has shifted in such a short time
Ummm as a post nation state we defend trans rights now, do better sweaty
@@killharryCool think about monarchy is that one day a good king shall surely come and he can essentially just dissolve parliament and bring this country back to its pre-1963 state.
Current infantry reserve soldier here
- The issued tac vest you have on is commonly referred to as the snack vest and most people after their basic and trade qualification course go out and buy their own rigs. If you see people wearing the issued vest its either their unit doesn't allowed aftermarket rigs, they don't want to spend the money on a rig, or they're not a combat arms trade so they almost never use the vest anyways.
- Our winter kit is very good even if some of the issued stuff is old, the biggest downside is its heavy and bulky so it sucks carrying around all that extra weight. But you can survive up in the artic no problem with it.
- The issued small pack is good if you just want some thing to dump items into, but other than that it sucks because there's no pouches integral to the bag other than the top flap or ways to properly organize stuff. It comes with pouches you can attach but they don't use molle to attach so i find they flop around and feel loose with any weight in them. So again most people buy their own packs once qualified. The old style ruck sucks the new one isn't too bad, the biggest issues are the waist belt and load bearing system aren't the best when you're wearing kit so you'll feel it after some rucking, if you're not wearing any kit its not too bad.
- The current helmets suck they need to replace them all with lowcut opscore type helmets. The helmets are bulky and heavy, they don't have integrated NVG mounts and the mounting system used doesn't have any kind of counterweight for the NVGs so your head and neck aren't going to like it
- Our service rifles are built better and perform better than the American variants, better barrels etc. Matter of fact many special forces units in other countries use Canadian built rifles instead of the American ones. Not to mention they're ambidextrous as well, I personally like the standard issue aluminum mags they don't have the ridges and bumps like p mags and they fit better and smoother in mag pouches particularly when it comes to indexing and putting back empty mags right side up in your vest
- Another point to note some units do allow non issued accessories on the c7 rifle, so sometimes you'll see people put their own hand guards, fore grip, or butt stock. Also the issued sling isn't that comfortable after long long periods of time, so many people opt for their own slings with wider and better padding or easier adjustability.
Was gonna mentioned the tac vest thing but you beat me to it. Which reserve regiment are you in?
To comment on the C7/C8 quarks with the rifle, the current cocking handle regularly breaks. The "raptor claw" on the cocking handle breaking all the time during regular use and has to be replaced. I had an instantance where 3 of them broke during one class. As well it isn't mentioned in your video but you may find it interesting. The new C22 (p320) pistol the army has moved too, boosts an ambidextrous slide release. But currently the left handed release is none functional on any of the pistols that I've seen.
Ah, I forgot about the C22, I wanted to get a Hi Power too for this but don't have the money.
@@Oxide_does_his_best I don't know if we even have a "C" name for the Inglis Hi-power lol, but I know guys in the reserves who haven't been able to get a single mag through them with how worn out they are.
@@liamkleronomos5104They are "that" worn out?! Holy crap, you needed new handguns.
I was in cadets just before covid and got to play with a bunch of the weapons they had at a nearby base got to play up to the c9 and whatever the 240 is called here same as a pre used m72 didnt have the c22 yet just a hi power which was cool to hold
@@charlesdemers1197 Our issued hi powers are literally 1944 to mid 1950s vintage John Inglis produced hi powers that have been constantly used and abused for almost 80 years. I'm amazed any of them still function at this point lmao
"let me know if you're a Canadian soldier and you got some things to mention"
Oh boy, it's my time to shine!!! Infantry reservist experience here we go!
1. First off... that tac vest is already obsolete in the regular force. Only reservists get those vests now (I should know, that's my issued vest as a reservist LMAO). The reg force tac vest is a very thin CADPAT MOLLE vest that is fully customizable to the soldiers needs and is most frequently seen on soldiers on deployment. That one is FAR better than the fucking fishing vest you got. ALSO, there are aftermarket components designed to make the tac vest much better, with the most frequently seen being the reflex mag insert that converts that shitty buckle and velcro setup into a more modern friction based setup.
2. While ammunition is still issued in 30 rounds boxes of plastic stripper clips and loaders, we don't get issued those 150 round bandoliers anymore. We usually just shove the extra ammunition boxes in our small packs or tac vests. 5 mags is the standard for domestic training and ops, while 10 mags is the standard for actual overseas operations and deployments.
3. The new CADPAT is slowly starting to get issued, but even within the reg force it's rare to see. Not super common. Also, wearing our own privately purchased kit strongly depends on the unit; some are 100% ok with it, while others prohibit it entirely.
4. There's loads of differences between the C7 and C8 variants, but the biggest difference between your mock C8 and the actual C8 is the barrel profile; Canada only ever used the pencil profile for the very early C8s and has opted for a 15.7 inch heavy profile barrel with a simon sleeve behind the flash suppressor. This sleeve eliminates bayonet wobble on the barrel and allows our M203A1s (Yes, that's what we call our short M203 that you mentioned in the video) to be attached with a system that differs heavily from how the US attaches their M203s. Also, your rifle has the current gen ambi cocking handle; the previous gen one had a hook for the extension and the main latch was larger. Those ones were held in place by solid pins that would break CONSTANTLY due to our current handling drills requiring near nonstop use of that handle for reloads that pressing the bolt catch could do faster. Other things to mention include that we don't issue the thermold mags anymore and are now using USGI style mags with the black vietnam style followers, that we use H2 weighted buffers on all our C7s and C8s, a norgon style ambi mag release, and that most guys almost never get those BUIS you showed (which, btw, the guy in the picture has it mounted backwards, a common sight due to most guys never using them or having any idea how to use them properly. See SmallArmSolutions video on the C7A1 to see how to actually use those BUIS properly).
5. The 400 dollar boot program is known as BOOTFORGEN and as of right now new recruits are getting issued brown boots that are complete garbage and look like something out of WW1 LMAO. Anyone with half a brain immediately went and got their own boots the second BOOTFORGEN became a thing. My recommendation? Anything Lowas. Easily the best aftermarket combat boots out there. My two pairs have NEVER failed me.
6. In the future, the C8A4 is slated to replace all current C8A3s and C7A2s in service. It's supposed to have two variants; one short (roughly 11 inch) barrel version with a suppressor for most support trades, and a 15.7 inch heavy barrel like the C8A3 for the combat arms trades. Both variants will be flat dark earth in colour, use magpul CTR stocks and grips, have a monolithic M-Lok free float rail, and are supposed to go with Elcan Spectres as the replacement optic. During the testing you alluded to, Magpul P-Mags were also tested. Most guys here would LOVE to use our personally owned P-Mags instead of our USGI mags as previously mentioned. The timeline when everyone is supposedly getting these is currently not known for certain.
*cries with my dirty reservist tac vest on (it barely fits right)*
How early can I get that boot stipend? I want to get my own for BMOQ
How exactly does the UBGL mounting differ between C8 and M4? Does it (Or the simon sleeve) in any way actually matter?
@@Tribuneoftheplebs you have to complete your trades training before bootforgen can be used fully.
@@wurzel9671 its a very different mounting system. Intended for a regular troop to be able to install and remove without much difficulty. Front bracket requires the same diameter as a USGI barrel right before the gas blocl vs the skinny portion like the US version. The simon sleeve is 100% neccesary for M203A1 mounting on a C8A3 carbine.
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The "iron" sights on the C79 frequently erode due to being made from the same rubber as the housing. I've personally never seen a C79 that didn't have worn out irons.
Also, I believe backup front sights are mostly used by the navy as a magnified optic isn't really ideal at sea, both due to range and corrosion.
There's a couple accessory fragmentation pieces that can be worn on the frag vest, such as shoulder and neck pieces. They're not too comfortable allegedly.
Only problem with this video is, not enough time spent bitching about the tac vest. That thing sucks.
Neck gaurd is actually great, protects my neck from all the shit i have strapped to me from reefing on my neck
Fyi, the official terminology for the different CADPAT variants is TW (Temperate Woodland), AR (Arid Regions), and of course the new MT (Multi-Terrain).
Great video!
Just out for a rip
Yeah bud
Very nice!
I didnt have Battle order and Oxide crossover on my 2024 bingo card. Man I enjoyed everything about this video, the attention to detail, the info, the music. Great job yall.
Excellent series from the '70's by Canada's Gywnne Dyer. A veteran himself, he created the series, WAR, that opened and closed this video.
Remember it well.🏆
gotta love the Rush soundtrack
This is how you know oxide is a real Canadian
What a great video to watch while I wait for final formation during my last drill!
Not sure what the rifle mags are today but I served from 1986 till 2005 and saw the C7 rifle come in replacing the FN C1 rifle. We initially started with plastic mags (re - use, not disposable) and very quickly switched to the same magazines used by the United States Marine Corps. the plastic mags were famous for having the lips on the feed tray break and render the mag unusable. Great video, thanks very much. Andrew S LdSH(RC)
Can say the C79 is one of the most rock solid optics I've ever had the pleasure of using. I've never seen the optic take a drop that didn't need more than rezeroing, if anything at all.
Oh man, I dropped mine on a mountain recce. And it was still fine afterward for the range lmao. Truly beasts of engineering.
I'd much rather have an ACOG or a reddot than the C79 ANY DAY. To each their own man! @@Tsusday
Insert by Battle Order? Now you are really pampering us.
Preparing* 😥
as a canadian with a family history of military service i love to see canadian equipment getting some love. most of our current inventory was introduced in '84 and we arent set to fully replace all of it until 2030. i wish we would take our military more seriously
Glad we don't considering the citizenry is pretty much set at this point to overthrow the gov- this crappy equip will make all our lives easier when the time comes
We do take it serious, we just arent a military industrial complex like the united states
@@donc7984 This isn't a serious country, why would we have a serious military?
@@TheGistwithJosh Have you ever been in the military? id assume not by the basement dwelling not allowed within 200m of a sandbox profile picture of yourself you got there. I was 3rd battalion PPCLI for 13 years you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to anything military, So lets stick to things you know about like failing at comedy.
@@TheGistwithJoshHarper did what he could. We need a man with the spirit of Diefenbaker, the honour of Borden, and the ability to get shit done of MacDonald.
If Canada spent their money towards their own military rather than irrelevant foreign affairs. We’d be up to date with all our gear & equipment
But we wouldn't have anywhere near enough money for anything. What we need is a huge military spending package aimed to revitalize the Canadian arms manufacturing. Then we can undertake aiding other countries without it being a detrement to our current inventory.
Man, I got sent here by Battle Order and I'm glad I was! This video is so good in explaining everything about the loadout and also showing all the gear in person while talking about the tiniest details and future changes! Really impressed and looking forward to seeing more of these for other NATO countries. You probalby won't need it, but if you need Dutch translated give me a shout!
TW CADPAT is incredible for Canadian woodland, the number of times someone has almost stepped on me on stalking exercises is beyond count so I'm sad to see it go, but as the video stated, the Army is expected to fight everywhere but here. The C7A2 is a very good package minus the "death claw" charging handle that is notoriously fragile and catches on gear. The C8A3 is a bit of a pain as it's just a copy of the SFW, a carbine spec'd with a 15.7" HBAR for the SAS, and then made heavier still with a simon sleeve for the M203. It's stupid heavy, not what you'd want for a light and handy infantry carbine at all.
Epic art bro!!!
They designed CADPAT to work well in Canada and Northern Europe.
@@Merapscouwu
@@avroarchitect1793 Great concept until the USSR collapsed and now fighting is most likely to be in eastern Europe after the former soviet satellites started banging on NATO's door begging to be let in
No military issued AR type rifle has the pure drip that the c7/8 has. Everytime you look at it. It just grows on you more
Clicking on this, I wasn't sure what to expect. I must say, it was better than I expected. Looks like not much has changed since I retired after 35 yrs in the infantry. Since the latter half of my time in was spent as a fulltime reservist, I'm not as intimately familiar with LAV SOPs. I'd like to say the reserve infantry is 'light' but, in reality, it's just poor and 'dismounted'.
For both my tours in Afghanistan (full disclosure - as an old staff officer, not a hard-charging killer) I was issued 300 rds and 10 mags with a C7 A2. I also got a BHP with 2 mags on tour 1 and 3 mags on tour 2. Of course, there are only 4 mag slots on the issued LBV. I was able to offset this by purchasing 2 x flat mag holders (2 mags in each) from CP Gear. They have straps and velcro to integrate into the vest behind the basic pouch on one side and the canteen on the other. With this set up, I was able to have 8 mags in the vest, one on the rifle and the last either in my basic pouch or left behind.
I did my dismounted company commander's crse in the late 90s and para coy, 3 Vandoo provided the company of soldiers used to train us. They were wearing a trial version of the vest in OD. They loved it at the time (all others and us were wearing 82 pat webbing). That trial is probably how we wound up with what we wound up with. In their defence, much of the army wasn't particularly as operationally minded as they thought they were.... "why would you need more than 5 mags?"... they refused to issue pistols to anyone (like C6 gunners, rather than having a rifle slung over their backs)... "you're just going to lose it..."
The new gear fell under the title of 'Clothe the Soldier'. We referred to it as, 'Tease the Soldier'. around 2002-ish a rep from Tease showed up from Ottawa to brief us on new gear status. He brought out the new vest expecting us to gush over it. We surprised him by demanding where the modularity was? How do we move/add pouches? Where do extra mags go? He seemed stunned at our reaction. He stated it was unlikely that an infantryman would have more than 5 mags. However, they were working on a plan to issue a plastic insert (like a 4 or 5 slot shelf) that would go into the basic pouch. Okay, we said. Where does the stuff evicted from the pouch go? What if a rifleman is required to carry an extra belt for the C9 gunner?... crickets...
Thank you oxide please continue making videos. my grandpa just got diagnosed with blood clots. This video helped make my day better. it’s so cool learning about different kits from around the world.
Absolutely beautiful work, in depth and eye-catching presentation. I can't wait for other loadouts my friend.
Canadian soldier here. Lot of the times for the tac vest, we just swap out the canteen pouch with a C9 pouch.
That collab with Battle Order is just the perfect cherry on top of a very nice cake.
Oxide: Joins the US Army
Also Oxide: Makes a Canadian infantry loadout video before an American one
Still love it though
Going to have to tell my buddy to watch this video because he's in it. He's the guy rocking the Carl G at 15:35. I also like that the CadPat that you ended up finding has pants that are so faded they are starting to turn white, pretty much the standard for anyone not on deployment. Anyways, sweet video, I look forward to seeing the next project in this series.
Thats pretty rad. Where do the recordings come from? Who tapes it?
@@CreEpeRneSs125 Sometimes people randomly record things while in the field or on course. Theres a lot of Infantry DP1 course videos on youtube and the CAF really really likes posting their own official videos and photos from courses and exercises.
I will never fight or loose my life for ANY government, I will fight and die for the people
Agreed
It's great to hear the M81 vatnik and trouser combo is in full production.
On issued lowers of the c7/c8 there is a norgon ambi mag release but no fencing to protect it, which ironically causes accidental mag drops all the time but only for rightys when slinging against kit. Leftys it faces outwards when slung.
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Yea dude thats why you can adjust the mag release, i have never once accidentally dropped a mag because of a few reasons... the sling is for support and not to hold your rifle for you, only time i wrap my sling around me is when i sling it on my back.
I also properly adjusting your mag release will prevent the mag release from releasing.
The clips of Gwynne Dyer were a great blast from the past. Still relevant today.
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I've been following you for quite a few years and you never disappoint.
wow, very impressive and proffessional video! earned a sub.
Wanting to make current infanrty loadouts for every mil is the loftiest, most ambitious, and nerdist goals I've ever heard. And I'm here for it!!!!
God as a Canadian we need to absolutely modernize our standard infantry kit. We are so stuck in the past it’s disgusting. We are not combat effective, and we will suffer for it in the next war.
It’s just sad that we have to issue this long since forgotten type of kit to our warfighters
I'm not sure there's ANY army in the world issuing non-dogshit kit and personal equipment to their conventional forces - maybe Denmark, with their Tyr armor vest?
The next war that army fights is going to be against Canadian citizens. Maybe its better they have terrible gear.
I love the accuracy of this video. I was a Patricia for a while and this guy seems to know more than I care to remember. The C8 I used to use had a very similar barrel, same furniture. The sights on top of the Elcans are mostly all worn away since they're rubber. I didn't notice yours was an FN. What you said about the use of non-issued chest rigs and the unanimous dislike of the issued vest holds true.
Really interesting video to see as a current member of the infantry up here, thanks for the video. and man, that tac vest is actually sent from hell
Everything was bang on, only thing to add is that the PEQ-2’s we use are the 2A which is a slightly upgraded one which has roughly the same power as a PEQ-15
Been waiting for this one. This was really well done and accurate to what we use. Great job
"Mister Oxide" He's officially a Warrant Officer
i love the Use to Rush in the background, my favourite band ever, keep up the amazing work
The squad Canadian army scope is ranged too 200 so you have to aim a bit lower when you shoot at someone close by.
54M is the crossover point
RCR here, with the vests, the fishing vest is the Army's typical vest, however REG force Infantry typically gets the MOD Vest. It's a blank slate tac vest and you just put all your mag pouches, smoke pouches, nade, radio, water etc on it
Yooo the boys made it into an Oxide video! 15:35
That 70s documentary dude sounds like the "the missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't" guy.
that "documentary dude" is Gwynne Dyer.
I was in fact sent from Battle Order
I have a funny feeling TH-cam doesn't want me to find these videos seeing how long it took to come across my path.
Very well done
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im still here @@chrissequioa4376
"maybe something better than the specter has come out since" actually fun fact, RTX (Raytheon/Elcan optics/Armament corp.) *just* released a new generation of Elcan SpecterDR with a bunch of improvements, so it very much could be the case that its selected as a replacement to the c79 once new rifle upgrades are done due to familiar controls and ease of manufacturing.
Great vid on our gear, if you want a far more modern up to date part of our forces to look at, check out CSOR (Canadian Special Operations Regiment) they get all the new fun stuff that Colt Canada makes like the MRR and C20 DMR.
As of right now Our army has enough ammo to last for 3 days if at war. To the point that if every soldier had to qualify on rifles in one day, there wouldn't be enough ammo to get everyone qualified. We were once a great army with great soldiers, sadly under recent shitty govts we are but a shell of the army we should be.
By the time you're done with the loadouts of half the countries in the world, the other half might not exist anymore lol
As soon as we got to batallion at 3VP thr issued tac vest usually went into your locker and stayed there unless you were on an ex where the higher ups actually gave a shit about issued kit. Most guys just bought their own stuff (especially c9 gunners) because the tacvest cant hold boxes for shit.
Its the same here in Poland. Issued stuff is so bad most soldiers buy thier own vest etc
I've still got my issued backup iron sight. Been out for like 10 years now, found it a few years ago hiding in the bottom of a moving box. Its made of plastic, has a Diemaco emblem on the side, and generally is a thing for aiming a firearm.
Infantry here to further add a bit:
The tac-vest, also called fishing vest here, totally sucks ass. I never use the bottom pouches, changing mags prone is ass. And you don't have enough space for what really matters.
The frag vest, although very outdated and bulkiy is quite snug, it's like being hugged. The velcros are pretty much impossible to wear out to be honest, haven't seen a single one where it broke or tore off since you have the velcro flap on top of it to double secure. Now units are pushing for plate carriers and such.
The helmet is ass, both versions. The new one is just the same, but lighter. Really a joke that it took so many years to roll out. Heard anglo units are getting high cuts, but here franco wise, didn't get a memo about this.
The C8 is very heavy for it's size due to a complaint coming from Special Forces troops. They weren't used to the recoil handling of the lighter version, so they asked the designers to add weights on the barrel cover to make it feel like a C7, weight wise.
The C79 optic is fine ish for anything under 500, over 500 it gets tricky and doesn't do enough sadly. It's quite a good sight tho for both eye relief and tunnel vision people.
The new Multicam Cadpat, although I was really against at first, due to our woodland cadpat being to darn effective even at 50m in wooded area and the reputation of being the Relish army, I quite like it. Makes us look modern and to be fair, we're probably never gonna fight on Canadian soil. They'll keep Cadpat around for situations like the Baltics/Finland being invaded.
I myself am often the C9 gunner, so I bought myself a B25U with a RK1, because for some damn unknown reason, nobody in the west thought of adding an angled grip for their mg gunners.
And not to brag too much, but a lot of competitions where Canadians are involved, we beat a lot of bigger and better funded armies. Just wish our procurement didn't waste so much money, so we could afford good gear.
Japanese soldiers sometimes use zenitco to put red dots on their type 64
@@Oxide_does_his_best Much harder to get now with sanctions on Russian gear as well. Glad I spent 20$ for the combo. Would've cost me 50+ for any other kind of decent grip in the west...
As a Minnesotan, get those Canucks away from me
As a civilian, I had no idea, but now you mention it, I feel better.
Another Canadian Classic!!
For the longest time I wanted to see the sight and you put in the video!!! Thank you 😂 that thing way better than I expected lol
As a Canadian citizen, this is such a cool and informative video, especially since I plan to eventually enlist in the army, so I'm glad that I can get a glimpse at the kit that I one day might be wearing.
As an Australian I would be eternally grateful for a video on the Australian infantryman, great vid as per usual. The Canadian infantry seems very outdated however.
Edit: In Thought it would be very interesting to shine some light on how the Australian defense force has adapted foreign gear to fit our uses and also the fact that we are fairly isolated (apart from NZ) and how we adapt items such as the Steyr AUG etc. Noticing how much of Europe and Northern America is connected not only geographically but also militarily speaking, it seems to have had a profound effect on how armies function based on your neighbors. IE, I assume there is more to the fact that Canada has adopted basically the same rifle as the USA then just them liking it as it would make sense to be like your neighbor and ally in times of war such as the almost universal adoption of 5.56 with NATO and allied countries.
its the cost of logistics, mostly.
The Canadian Army has one of the sickest loadouts I seen.
god yes ive been waiting for this. my repressed canadian heritage is coming out in full force with a VENGEANCE thank you so much oxide
dudes still get issued the shitty fishing vest but as far as i know in my battalion they can issue the cadpat SORD tac vests. a few of the C9/C6 gunners i've seen in the past few times on ex just get clip ons to the frag vest to hold their shit and nutsack pouches instead of the big ass C9 box pouches if they are a dedicated machine gunner. The standard we're supposed to adopt is supposed to be 10 mag 2 frag and 1 smoke for riflemen but if you didnt buy enough pouches you could probably use the pouches for the SORD vest but it'd look pretty wack with the different colours
Yall need to spend the money
Fantastic job on this video. Appreciate learning about some of the infantry loadout and combat roles.
*Infanteer*. Sorry, as a former royal, it bothers me to hear "infantryman". The Yanks use "infantryman" and as a proud Canadian, I can't let the monomer slide.
I did two tours to Kandahar as a C9 gunner. The first thing I did was ditch the tac vest. Utterly useless, even 15 years ago.
Fun trivia: The cheap metal for the zipper on the load bearing vest can break off in cold weather... of which canada is a cold country
Ironic that Canada restricts AR15's from their civilians, but their industry made better AR's from the period of the M16A2 until the M4A1. The C7 is a way better M16A2, and the C8 was a good bit better than the first gen M4.
It was more modular earlier, had the simpler more combat focused A1 irons, and lacked the bullshit 3 round burst in favor of good old full send mode.
I mean kind of restricted
But also we do have restricted weapons licences dude and those let you have all kinds of weapons
But yah it’s far more complicated and nuanced then that and depends largely on where you live
What you do with guns
And who you are
@@ShmuckCanuck All kinds of weapons up until 2 years ago at this point.
@@malloperator no people still have and can get restricted licenses
They literally made them easier to get but otherwise didn’t change them
They changed what you can own on an unrestricted license
@@malloperator also you can just be native
Then you can own fully automatic military assault rifles all day becusee Canadian laws don’t really apply to reserves and legally you can’t disarm us
I can own a harrier jet with bombs if I want to 😁
There was one brief beautiful year when AR15s were still legal AND colt canada put out civilian model C7A2s and C8A3s
[Warning: This comment is very long, including things I found interesting]
8:47 I am surprised that the CG634 helmet didn't perform well in this video, compared to other tests. From looking at the helmet with its black rubber rim, it is a 1st Gen CG634 helmet. Made out of Spectrafiber (same ballistics as kevlar, but having a longer storage/service life than kevlars) and the helmet made by a French Company in Canada named Gallet.
The company produced CG634s from late 90s to 2004 until MSA, an American company, took over and produced the gen 2s/kevlar version of the CG634 helmet. With green plastic rims and the words "MSA" on the buckle. With the rollout of CM735 helmets, there are technically 3 helmets in use by CAF soldiers. Gen 1 and Gen 2 CG634 helmets (Gen 1s continue to be in service, older or beaten up ones ended up on military surplus or destroyed) and the new CM735 which is lighter and has no brim. As far as I'm aware from the last time I saw images of the CM735, it has the same liner as the CG634 helmets, unless they have moved to pads with the images shown in the video at 9:39
Sources/info on CG634 helmets and a ballistic test video:
th-cam.com/video/7A8ElHOMX04/w-d-xo.html (Cg634 "Movie")
th-cam.com/video/_MVx_ol_r30/w-d-xo.html (Canadian CG634 helmet)
th-cam.com/video/MOp3uDChGaI/w-d-xo.html (Ballistic test on a Gen 1 CG634 helmet, identified by the black rubber rim)
Incorrect looks/items/images I have found in the video:
5:28 Bayonet and Frog
The C7 Nella Bayonet shown is incorrect, that version of the C7 bayonet and bayonet frog was used on the Canadian M82 Pattern webbing. Since 2004, the bayonet used is the CAN 2000 Bayonet and a molle frog/carrier originally made for the vest prior to the tack vest (Canadian LBV/Load Bearing Vest)
10:49 C7/C8 PMags
I honestly don't know why every creator slaps a PMag onto C7A2s and C8A3s, becoming a common occurrence, but this is incorrect.
When the C7 rolled out in 1984 (officially that is, most troops did not receive the early C7 until the 90s, images of the 4th CMBG in Mainland Europe being a example), it was issued with these PMag magazines, the idea being that these mags would be one use. Sadly they weren't produced in large numbers, thus being used as reusable magazines. This created problems as after some use over time, the lips of the magazine would break, the Pmags were unpopular with the troops. By 1990, the standard metal NATO magazine would begin issue, by mid and late 1990s, the Pmags would be entirely replaced with the metal ones, just in time for 2000.
(It is still a mystery why every creator slaps a Pmag on these rifles/carbines when no Infantrymen in the CAF uses them, due to poor use and reputation in the 80s)
12:48 Modern PMags are more common with Canadian Special Forces, troops are only allowed the standard NATO metal magazine.
> Canada's army is modernizing
As a Canadian, Lol, lmao, lmfao.
Damn, a very well seasoned Rush enjoyer. Xanadu is one of my favorites, I finally got to see Xanadu Live at the R40 tour.
do you have the next nation fingered out? I'd be interested in seeing a Sweden infantry overview which shouldn't be too hard since a decent amount of the kit is online from Varusteleka and other sites and with Pindad making an import of FNC (I'd imagine that someone will make AK5 kits for them).
Thanks for all the good content. I'll get on patron when I have my home situation settled and furnished.
I teased it at the start of this video
@@Oxide_does_his_bestif it's what I think it is. It actually makes a surprising amount of sense coming off the Canadian video. Considering the nature of the firearms market up there. But we'll see if I'm right.
@@Oxide_does_his_best Were you able to actually get the ammo, or did you have to stick with a civ variation for the export market?
@@malloperator I found sources for the stuff but I would have to travel far beyond what my job would allow so in the interest of time and cost I’ll just stick to civ
@@Oxide_does_his_best I apologize. I was playing a game while watching and missed it. I will be very interested in how that turns out.
i cant believe you also got my favorite TH-camr to do this series with lets go
What is the name of the documentary used at the beginning and the midlde parts? seems interessting
im also interested
th-cam.com/play/PLR8X5I0C1LF5kaxAE2z_pPy6RMSr89tBx.html&si=yNR21UEerOqbdEXY
Well if this is indeed just a beginning of a new series then I have to say I'm really stoked.
The flashlights, lasers and generally anything fancy are rarely ever issued out. All of the C7/C8's are mostly beat to shit and can be really unreliable, Receiver play is usually enough to stack dimes in, and the charging handles either break or catch on everything. Never even seen a backup sight lmao. The C79's kicking around still often struggle to hold zero and will often not stay tight on the rails no matter how hard you crank those knobs down lol. Anything nice you often have to buy yourself as it just outright won't be issued. INCLUDING NAME TAGS. The daypack is nice, but the new ruck is MASSIVE and conflicts with the belt system and/or vest on plate carrier system. Very janky, very uncomfortable. The uniforms are nice, generally no issues with those. The cg63's nightvision mount is really hard to get your hands on and often can't be tightened enough to stop it from sliding around. I could go on for hours but generally speaking our kit is straight bad compared to may other countries. All we have going for us is CADPAT.
I'm glad you're getting some enjoyment out of it, cause none of us when I was in the CAF did lol.
Thank you for such a positive evaluation of the CDN army. But,,,we are in the hurt wagon.
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i just left but i was in the RCAC and it feels cool having videos on Canadas military pop up on my feed. keep up the great vids, shitpump. although we would carry our ammo in five mags in our vest in the armor corps I'm glad you're calling out the fishing vest for what it is. and the boot stipend is gone
It was a nice thing we had going. Until the rainbow mafia took over.
Awesome video. God what I wouldn't give to see a Canadian air cav unit flying around blaring Rush in a hot LZ
When I was in I'd fold down the front velcro shoulder straps under the tacvest, and slacked the over strap as far as they would go allowing the mag pouches to sit around my belly.
Former Seaforth here. I ran the C9 for most of my service, and lemme tell you, being a MG man was damn good fun XD
we have an extra picatinny section on the back portion of the upper receiver, and it's supposed to look like a slope instead of being straight like US M4s
The opening part of this video is surprisingly terrifying to watch at 2am
Im about to go to basic training at the end of the month for infanteer. Great video!
Update: I completed basic training in May, im about to start my DP1 infantry course tomorrow at 0800! Shit is about to suck but be fun until December. Will update again if I pass my course.
That HK supervel hit made me splatter maple syrup all over my kitchen floor.
First video of yours I've seen, I've legitimately never subscribed to a youtuber so quickly in my life. Great stuff dude, keep it up
Watching Canadians Infantry do their thing to Rush, fucking fantastic!
you were honestly too kind to that tac vest
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damn, this series looks hella good, love the graphics in the beginning too