Ranking AFC North position groups entering 2024: How do Ravens, Browns, Steelers & Bengals stack up?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- Which team has the best quarterback, offensive line, offensive skill players, defensive line, linebackers and secondary in the AFC North? Who has the worst?. On today's episode, Joe Marino and Kyle Crabbs rank every position group in the AFC North entering 2024. Key topics include the Cincinnati Bengals, Baltimore Ravens, Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh Steelers, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Justin Fields, Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Amari Cooper, Myles Garrett, Derrick Henry, Roquan Smith, Kyle Hamilton, TJ Watt, George Pickens, Ja’Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, Trey Hendrickson, Zac Taylor, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Kevin Stefnaski and more!
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Bengals skill positions being 3rd is a wild take.
Zero chance the Bengals would trade skill positions with any of these teams. Chase is the trump card and Higgins is probably overall #2.
Yeap. The star power trumps depth. Their coaching regime doesn't care about having star power at TE/RB. They can squeeze good production out of role players there.
Plus you got Joey B throwing the ball to all the skill players. I'd love to see the Bengals go back to toying with other teams on offense.
They are way over valuing running backs and tight ends. Derek Henry just signed for $8million per year. Tee Higgins, Cincy’s #2 WR is making $22 million this year. So you could argue that league thinks that Higgins is about 3x more valuable than Henry based on the positions they play. This is backed up by the draft where there were 10 WRs drafted before the first RB was picked.
Chase and Higgens are definitely the top two skill position players in the division, and arguably the best WR duo in the league. And this is a passing league. That should carry more weight than having good RBs and TEs. Agreed, zero chance the Bengals would trade skill groups with any of these teams. I'd take Cincy's skill group over the others any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Gesiki is gonna ball out with Burrow at QB. We have Sample to block at TE if we need blocking. Cincy is def first.
Tell that to Kansas City with Travis Kelsey.... Or Brady to Gronk...... just them 2 players sliced up so many defenses and one them teams so many games they otherwise had no business winning
It’s crazy that the Bengals’ skill positions are third 🤦🏻♂️
What do they have besides Chase and Higgins?
I think Zack Moss will fit well in their system. Sure their TE room and RB room are bottom third of the league but Chase and Higgins are the only cornerstones players other than Mark Andrews.
@@lockedonnflscoutingBurton, Trenton Irwin, Gesicki, chase brown, Zack moss?
You guys can hate on Gesicki all you want, he will have a career year in Cincinnati. Being 3rd in terms of skill groupings is wild
Burton is gonna ball
Skill players rankings is terrible 😂😂
I spit out my water when I heard Cleveland 2nd in the skill group.. disgusting rankings
Odd reaction because you disagree on a football opinion. We showed our work and our positions are defendable.
@@lockedonnflscouting lol it’s a hyperbole, I didn’t actually spit out my water. If it helps I’m not referring to your whole rankings, I enjoyed the rest of the video, but the skill group rankings are certainly atrocious.
Even sharing carries with Najee, Jaylen Warren will be the top back in AFC North. You can talk all day about Henry, but he's going into his 8th year and the Steelers will have the best O-Line in the conference especially running the outside zone and stretch runs with their young agile tackles and strong interior O-Line. They will be hard to stop.
I’m a Bengals fan
Bengals at 3rd in skill group I couldn’t even listen to the rest of it. Thinking if you value the other groups like you do this there was no point 😂
Bengals have the best QB in the AFC North and inarguably the best receiving corps in the North. Best receiving corps, offensive line and TE of Burrow’s career, soft schedule. With Burton teams can no longer sit in Cover 2, Bengals are Super Bowl bound in 2024 Who Dey!
The gap between Burrow and the QBs that got more turnovers than TDs is the postseason is bigger than these guys think. MVP is a joke.
Bengals need to have good strategy of timing and speed with HEAVY ARTILLERY BODIES,
Bengals being 3rd at skill position and CB is madness. Not bashing because I get the logic, indeed. But that was a debatable topic
Certainly have the best pair of WRs but RB, TE and even WR depth is lacking
Keep sleeping on Pittsburgh they gonna surprise everyone this year
People outside of Cleveland are sleeping on Delpit. That being said, Bengals skill group being third is a stretch
Your crazy the bengals have the top skill group in the north. For the ravens: rice is good but pretty much it for their receiver room, henry is really old for a running back, and andrews is getting old too. The browns is even crazier seeing as watson is a total bust, no receiver in their room matches up to Tee higgins let alone Chase, and i love watching chubb play, but that knee injury was brutal and he will not be the same
Are you saying Rashee Rice (Chiefs WR)? Are you meaning Zay Flowers? Flowers is their best WR imo.
Lol so mark Andrews is getting old who is considered top 3 best TE but the best TE in Kelce isn't ? Wtf are you 🤡 talking about ? Also Henry had a dm good season last year behind a horrible line and until he falls off his record proves he is still good. Y'all just mad ravens are gonna buss alot of mfrs ass this season like the usually do .
Who wouldn't take Russ over Deshaun... Deshaun quit football the moment he got guaranteed 💰. Russ bounces back a little in that offense imo. I do like Jameis over Fields but not enough.
QB - Cin, Bal, Pitt, Cleveland
Skill - Cle, Cin, Bal, Pitt
Oline - Cle, Cin, Pitt, Bal
Dline - Pitt, Clev, Cin, Bal
LB - Cin, Pitt, Bal, Cle
Secondary - Cle, Bal, Cin, Pit
Browns losing their o-line coach to the Titans a bigger deal than people think, he was a big reason for the success of that line
Good call
Not really. He was the best in the league, though
Not exactly sure what Burrow has done to prove he's better than the 2 time MVP. The Bengals postseason success was carried by their defense making clutch plays in clutch moments.
Appreciated the intro as a Bengals fan into the way skill positions would be graded.
Why we keep saying Lamar no hate phenomenal player, but two playoff wins. How can you compare that with Joe?
Because one fucking lucky run to the Superbowl when players were hurt doesn't mean shit , you dont get props for going to a Superbowl and losing , Lamar has hardware and literally will be a hof the moment he wins the Superbowl. Also Lamar had his best ever wr core last year , the only guy he trusted before that was mar Andrews .he has been winning games with less talent on offense .
By the looks of it, Browns win the division. I love AFC North football 😁
Why do you guys have concerns with Mike Geisiki? He had went for over 70 catches and over 750 yards in a season before. He is 6’6’’ 248 and he is the fastest TE in the divison. Uh yes he is 4.54 fast and he has a 41 inch vertical lead. Trust me I looked it up. He is faster than Andrews, faster than Njoku and faster than Friermuth. Yes he is t a blocking TE. That’s what we have Drew Sample for. He is one of the best blocking TEs in football. And do t forget about Tanner Hudson. He is sneaky good.
Just a really limited player. Doesn't block a lick and only runs routes effectively on the vertical plane. He's a power slot.
How can a team with arguably the best linebacker in the NFL rank last in the division 😂
Very fair rankings
Bengals 3rd in skill group…LMAO
Wanted to comment again that it would be great to be able to see what grades you have on individual players. I like the teams being tiered but would also like to see those players and what grade you have, so we can follow through the next year to see if they go up or down and maybe how your perception changed
Echo this!
bengals chose to go light on rb and te and heavy on wr because rbs and tes are no longer premium positions. cincys wrs are so far beyond everyone elses i think they are 1.
Tell you don't know ball without saying you didn't know ball
I think you are not accurate regarding skill players.
Bengals will be hard to beat with receivers and tight ends as well as a better running game this year.
Y’all got this right until you put Baltimores D trench above Cinci. Forgot all them Hendrickson sacks apparently
I can see it. Cincys D line is like the Steelers Oline. Unproven, but full of potential. Hoping to see Myles Murphy break out this year. Already love Kris Jenkins. Not sure how it's gonna look without Reader 😢
You're right Joe and Kyle, seemed you have hit a nerve 😂😂
Joes shirt looked tan.
Thank thank you for upgrading me to TH-cam tv live streaming
The Afc East tierlist is gonna cause tears 😂
Kyle using all these algorithms, methods, and functions and then taking a picture of his computer on his phone is just not it 😢 break the mold Kyle, don't be a grandpa ✊😔
Joe’s shirt is Pistachio
Crazy how long 🦀 carried on about the shirt color. Everyone has their own opinion and I could see your reasoning on most. But your skill position rankings were 💩. And what was the final ranking? I listened to the end of this like 3 times trying to figure out the overall rankings. Did you cliffhanger us or am I trippin?
Kyle is definitely colorblind 😂
The skill position tier is literally almost backwards lol wtf
This shirt is absolutely pistachio 😂
So if Henry goes down Baltimore is good to go I’m happy though no joe has weapons excuse
Wtf are you talking about ?
Mark my words. Moss will put up more yards than henry this year if they both stay healthy. Cincy is # 1 in skill players
Jaylen Warren is the #1 RB in this division.
Stopped listening after the skill position ranks. Pit is easily last. Bal is easy 3rd. To have the Ravens 1st is plain absurd. Cleveland has better WRs, a better TE1, especialy if you consider QB play, if healthy a better RB1 and more depth in the RB room.
Bal is getting credit for valuing positions that the league puts very little value on. Plus there is no metion of the fact that Bal best pieces on O are on the decline. Andrews is 29 in Sept and has had injuries piling up. D. Henry is 30 and has been in decline since after 2020. His yards per carry go down eveey year, as is yards after contact per attempt and explosive run rates. Also every year shows us again and again that if you dont have a CMC like RB, it really doesnt matter who you put out there, the o line controls rushing success much more than the RBs.
Bal #1 WR would be the 3 on both Cle and Cin and a 2 in Pit. And when you have 2 TE you should prefer a better outside WR and not a guy who thrives in the slot.
Anyway this seems easy Cle, Cin. BAL, Pit.
...and Pittsburgh will still clean up vs head to head AFC North games. You fools never learn. Pittsburgh established AFC North football, the rest of the teams only emulate.
@@tauber9911 Typical Pittsburgh reply. Talk about the past. They have to as they just aren't relevant in the present.
@@n8ball02 It's the consistency, homeboy.
Present: Last 5 years, who has the best record vs. AFC North? Steelers.
Past: When have the Steelers finished last in the AFC North? Never.
Reality: You can't "out AFC North" the Steelers. It has never happened. So you can certainly make predictions before the season happens all you want but the present, the past and the now says you're a fool.
@@tauber9911 answers questions about the present with 2 things about the past lol.
It's not beneficial to never finish last in a division. Maybe the Steelers wouldn't have been mid af for as long as I can remember if they would lose some games and draft a QB.
Last year it was all how great Pickett was about to be, and how Pickett had the perfect preaseason. This year is Russ or Fields. It just doesn't matter. Nobody circles the Steelers game anymore. Nobody cares if it's Steelers week. Nobody cares about 8 or 9 win teams or a team who had 2022 Vikings luck and won 9 games.
People don't even dislike the Steelers. People just don't like Steeler fans. The team is just a bunch of guys. There isn't a single Steeler who is top 3 at his position outside JJ Watt's brother.
Bengals have the best skill positions too. Chase, Higgins, Geisiki, Jermaine Burton, Zach Moss. Nick Chubb got his knee twisted around to the wrong side of his body last year. And Jerry Jeudy are you jioking? He was a top 15 pick and has yet to top 1000 yards and was traded away for not a lot. Cooper is the only real WR the Clowns have. The Same with the Steelers. Do they have any Pro Bowl WRs? No. Do they have any All Pro WRs? No. Even the Ravens. Derrick Henry turned 30 way back in January. He didn’t do shit last year for the Titans. Do you think he has somehow gotten better since last year? He is beat the hell up. Mark Andrews is good he is the best TE in the division hands down full stop. But they have Zay Flowers and Bateman. On what planet is Flowers and Bateman as good as Chase and Higgins. Chase is by far the best WR in the division. So you guys got the QB right. Burrow is the best. Tell you what say that the Bengals made Burrow available for trade tommorow and the Ravens made Lamar Jackson available for trade tommorow. Which team do you think would get the most calls? Both Burrow and Lamar have both missed the second half of 2 separate seasons. I would bet my left kidney that the Bengals would be fucking flooded with calls and the only time Baltimore would get calls is when the team knew it was out of the Joe Burrow sweepstakes. And I think that anyone who is honest with themselves would also see it that way. Lamar did not deserve the MVP last year he won it because the Ravens were the number 1 seed. That’s it. Anyone who watched football last year knows that the MVP is a regular season prize but nearly always goes to one of the teams with the number 1 seed. Dak Prescott was the league mvp last year. I hate Dallas but that is the truth.
But yall o line is trash 😂
I dont hate the giants unis, and you are both wearing green. krabbs might be color blind.
Bengals have the best skill position by miles
Yet finished 4th
A lot of unknowns in Cincinnati with the exception of Chase & Higgins, if either gets hurt we could be in serious trouble in my opinion. We don’t know how Moss is going to fit not to mention he’s only had 1 decent year. Brown is a 2nd year player and we lost our Slot Receiver Boyd. Is Burton a steal? We truly don’t know. I would’ve put my team 4th
Moss is a very good blocking RB, and that's a clear upgrade to me.
Contact balance was crazy in Indy too. I'm excited for him on the goal line. I envision it like a light version of the Lions backfield. Gibbs between the 20s and Montgomery getting the tough yards. Brown being like a lesser Gibbs and Moss being comparable to Montgomery.
Lamar over burrow 10 days a week
As a Bengals fan frankly I can't argue too much about your assessment. Skill players at 3 is a bit questionable but I can see your points. I do think that much like you separate LBs and secondaries you should separate the passing and running attacks. I BTW don't care a little bit about what lady like color your shirts are.
Skill groups you are WRONG
It's OK to disagree on something. We showed our work.