Carr Incident After Action Review
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- This is a video AAR of the Carr Incident on January 16, 2020 in the city of Glendale (CA)
During this fire, two GFD Firefighters fell into a well involved basement during an active firefight. The subsequent actions by poised, prepared and well-trained firefighters, helped to quickly rescue and reduce more serious injuries to our firefighters.
As with any fire, there are lessons to be learned and shared from our experience. We share the AAR throughout Los Angeles region and beyond in an effort to highlight our successes and share our lessons. Our aim in being transparent with what we did well and what we could have done differently is to help share these very lessons with fire service members throughout the nation who may become more educated and hopefully help to reduce injuries to other firefighters.
We remain proud of the actions by our firefighters and equally proud of their open, honest and transparent accounts of the incident.
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This is hands down the best post-incident analysis I've ever seen. The quality and delivery of this video speaks volumes for your department, as do the operations and communications contained within. I learned much as I watched it and can't wait to discuss it more with my crew. I am glad everyone, civilian and firefighter, made it out safe, great job on a difficult incident Glendale!
Totally Agree Great Teaching moment!
Thank you 🙏🏼 Glad everyone made it out safely
Glendale Outstanding Fire Dept👍🏻
Outstanding debrief
For real. There needs to be more videos like this!
💯 %. Agreed !
Outstanding job Glendale FD.
Absolutely the best video I have seen for the instruction of ICS, communications, and Mayday management. I use it for Academy and Officer instruction. The effort with coordinating the timeline and the animations really help deliver the lesson. I must admit, I had to research a "333" structure type. Thank you!
Thank you to Glendale Fire for this after-action. There are so many valuable learning moments throughout this video that will absolutely help others in the fire service. We will be using this as an assignment for our Officer II students in an upcoming session. Strong work.
This is one of the best and most thorough AAR I have ever seen. Well done. Thanks for always helping us get better at our job!
Outstanding. So glad everyone came out OK in this incident. The rest of us can sleep at night knowing there are firefighters like this protecting us. Thank you.
From a fellow BC - Listening to this traffic I want to give my respect and props to Chief Stavros. You assigned and tracked your resources with amazing effciency and calm demeanor. Your comments in lessons learned may be honest self critique, yet I understand those instances when the priority of "primary" for civilians sometimes forces us to defer RIC for what we hope will be just a sec (till our next resources arrive). So don't beat yourself up on this, people's lives are why we serve, right? To all the Captains, Chief's and staff that filled the Div's, my same props to you all. "Face to face" communication saves so much radio traffic and allows your radio comm's some critical room when needed. YOU ALL DID GOOD! and THANK YOU for sharing this with us!
Thank you for the feedback! Your message will be passed on to BC Stavros. So many lessons learned from this incident. Please pass on so others can learn from our incident.
@@GlendaleFireTrainingVideos I've got a quick question for you. What's an "RA" and what distinguishes it and it's capabilities from the capabilities of the BLS ambulance units? I assume it stands for "Rescue Ambulance" but don't know what's so special about it or makes it a rescue ambulance
@@hosedragger-2045 RAs I believe are paramedic equipped ambulances. BLS units are just EMT staffed.
Paramedics can handle more serious injuries.
@@joshw1687 interesting. Here where I'm at, that's just ALS and BLS. If it's "rescue" in any way then it's got specialized equipment on board beyond just standard EMS gear
Couldn’t agree more. I’m pretty new to incident command and this guy is an real example. Credit to him.
I love that the incident commander is the guy with the most learning points. So often the IC is constantly covering their backs and it’s the FFs bringing everything up but this guy is seriously heavy on himself. That’s really good.
Chills down my spine, this is such a well oiled machine. Everything from the clear comms, to the whole strategic and systematic approad down to the individual skills and action. Only one way to describe this: professionalism at its finest.
I’ve only been on the floor for 7 years, but this is by far the best PIA I’ve ever seen. Showing this to the fellas next shift. 👏
A very informative and thorough after action review of the incident, glad to see this department took the time to put something like this together and glad both of the members are ok. One thought though, is maybe in the future have a company assigned to check the basement before committing to another task, in my department our SOG’s have a company specifically designated to check the basement level on any box alarm because situations just like this, stay safe!
That was an excellent video. Thanks for to Glendale Fire putting this together and sharing your experience. We need more videos like this in the Fire Service. Will be using this as a training tool with my crew for sure.
Thank you for the feedback! We are happy to share our experience with the fire service. Please pass on so others can learn from our experience.
An AUTO-LAUNCHING drone that launches from a small housing mounted on the rooftop of apparatus is my new concept. Especially if the drone can launch and fly with minimal effort by busy firefighters and is equipped with thermal imaging capabilities….
The ability to see the “bird’s eye view” from a drone flying safely above the incident on a vehicle mounted display, a handheld tablet or even a mobile phone, would be a game changer in situational awareness.
From MV accidents to structure fires to just about every imaginable scenario, this actually makes sense.
This was an incredible video. Props to Glendale FD. As a former BC this is a powerful training tool.
Thank you for the feedback! It has been an incredible learning tool for our members. Please pass on so others can learn.
Excellent AAR. Thank you!!
This is an unbelievably good training tool. I can't say enough for things about it. From the video, to the command board, the radio traffic, the lessons learned. The pieces fell into place amazingly well. Having just got back from the NFA for Command and Control of IO, it was great watching a FD implement it so well. It looked nearly identical to what we were taught in the simulation world. We had a lot more units to play with, but it was very cool watching the chess pieces get moved around in a real event.
Tremendous work. Thank you.
Well done Vedic / documentary!
Great lessons! Very professional!
Great job on the incident, great job on the video! Both high quality products.
Thank you for the feedback! Please pass on so others can learn from the lessons we took from the incident.
What a frigging EYE OPENER to what goes on at a relatively small fire. Imagine a 3 alarm or better. My Hats off to you kick ass men and women. Thank you
Every firefighter needs to see this instructional scene video
Sooo many things were spot on and run the way things should be run
I think the main lesson is to listen to your firefighters instincts and remember to keep your senses about you
Without someone saying that the fire could be in the basement this could’ve had a different outcome for multiple firefighters that day
I was a firefighter for 24 years before I turned towards investigative side and scene videography
I’m still young I would love to get back into the videographer side to record firefighter history and safety
I retired after fighting cancer but I’m good now and would go back
Great job
Brothers on the job forever
The sheer editing this video received is fantastic
I’ll never forget about this fire and hell I was on a ride along with engine 31 I’m listening to the maid a call when it came out
I continue to be amazed by this profession and how these men and women risk their lives on EVERY call.
Fell through the floor? Nah I made entry into the basement, pass me a hose line.
Fantastic effort from all involved.
I got to see this video was very good and I gotta say for the firefighters you guys did an awesome job
awesome video. great breakdown. i learned quite a bit. thank you. super happy all are well. excellent job. 😊.
It was not a good day for E23. It still ended okay for them. The third alarm did not know about the fire in the basement problem. When the third alarm was assigned to division 1,and E23 got reassigned to them, the luck of the draw picked 23. Maybe if E23 asked if the basement fire was out, it might have avoided the incident.
You guys nailed it right up until E23 recognized the basement fire. Pull everybody out, awesome, but then nobody goes after the fire in the basement? I realize its a basement but at least now we know where the fire is. Work our way in, go slow, coordinate with some transitional tactics and convert and extinguish. Would have liked to see that as a point in lessons learned. Great job on RIC deployment and use of TIC. An option there may be point to point search also but tough basement conditions and debris for sure a concern. E23, great job from the beginning; rescue, initial attack IC, recognize the basement fire...sounding the floor, yes missed that, but why would you put yourself back on top of the basement fire you identified without ensuring it was out? Glad you made it out safe brother. Thanks to everybody for the humility and consideration to put this out for us. Never stop learning, everybody goes home.
Just had to review this AAR for my dept. Pay attention brothers...this Capt actually warned other crews that the floor was unstable earlier, and then just went and fell into basement after he had even known it was unstable. How about exercising some situational awareness and not going in the front door.
Great work at the scene and on the video.
I have no expertise in firefighting but one thing made me wince as I watched it, and I didn't catch it mentioned in the learning points. At 40:58 it covers the EDWARDD checklist and when they did the PAR step, Division 1 simply reported they had PAR. Maybe there is an implicit understanding, but I noted that it wasn't made clear how the E23 crew was accounted for. I suppose there is some need to avoid broadcasting identification of the firefighters who had been trapped. Still, as I understand it the point is to make sure nobody is missing. It seems especially important after an incident, even more especially when a Captain is involved in the incident, to be precise about who is responsible for counting whom, or who is included in a PAR report after the incident impacts the chain of command. So to summarize, how sure could the IC have been from the PAR report that those closest physically and organizationally to the incident we're accounted for?
One peace of equipment that should be in the captains vehicle now is a drone and a guy that would be in charge of the drone. Then a monitor in back of the truck/vehicle that the image from the drone can be seen on. So then the captain can have a good view of the fire and what is happening and if he needs to see something else he can relay that to the drone operator and then be able see say the back of the structure. Because like the captain said in the beg. he was practically blind because of all the trees in the way.
It was already known that everyone was out so why would you order a search of the bulding when there's a basement fire that is not out. Too many chiefs not knowing.
What is RA?
In Las Angeles, it means rescue ambulance
Battalion chief needs a drone to get a better size up
I worked for EMS for 10 years and have friends in fire service, apart from USA I've never heard of cutting vents in the roof or breaking windows until the fire is out, firefighters in the UK never do that, out of the hundreds of USA fire videos I've watched cutting ventilation holes and breaking windows, which could of easily been opened without causing more damage to the property, the firefighters in the video said when the floor collapsed and oxygen got in the fire flared up much worse. Why do Americans allow houses to be made from wood then clad in plastic
Fouseytube is a fire fighter too 😂😂
Why isn't there an animal division of the fire department?
Everyone is out I'm not comfortable with that go look again. Mayday mayday fire fighters down get them out. ok nobody else to go in now I'm comfortable.
24:52 Even with the roof open, smoke is still coming out every open window so the roof hole is Not making the heat and smoke and lower levels rise to create better conditions inside for the victims and firefighters.
1. Vertical Ventilation takes time and manpower and puts the FFers on top of the burning structure.
2. Horizontal Ventilation takes fewer FFers and is much faster.
3. VVing draws the heat and flames Thru the building to spread it to unburned locations and introduces it to the "Roof Structure" causing possible irreparable damage.
4. HV allows the heat to exit directly to the exterior and away from the rest of the structure. Every Livable Space in a residential structure has at least one egress window that can be used to access the burning area. Window breaking can be done from the ground using the top of ladders to break out the glass and then further open the window by hand.
Fire departments have to get "Heat Rises" out of their mindset and think more about speed, safety and "Pressure Release Locations."
24:55 The 360 reveals a basement fire. You don't access it or walk on the floor above it until you have vented the basement windows or vents and extinguished the fire thru those openings. If the fire was in the basement, VVing will draw the heat and smoke thru the entire structure killing any victims, threatening the entering FFers and destroying the entire property.
25:44 and 26:00 Look at that thick black smoke coming out that opening. If VVing worked, why is it not raising the smoke ceiling in that space and going out the roof vents?
30:00 How many holes are needed to vent the smoke out of the attic/top floors area? If you HAVE to go on a roof for any reason, get Off it ASAP as a roof s not a safe place to be in the best of circumstances.
30:35 You are the Nozzleman!!! You are needed for fire suppression when needed. Everyone has a specific job to do. When people decide to do what ever they want, all bases won't be covered. That is called being a Two Dimensional Reactor instead of a Three Dimensional Thinker. What You did is what RIT is for.
30:54 An the price is paid for dropping that nozzle. Did you use a straight stream that covers a tiny area like 99.99999999999999999999% of USA departments would do or did you use a 50% cone of water to cover a wide area?
31:25 The result of a Two Dimensional Reaction. Now there are Two FFers to rescue. That makes the job about four times more difficult.
31:50 A Mayday call immediately Stops Search and Rescue and often, firefighting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What good is an injured firefighter to anyone?
42:38 Lessons Learned. The focus is in the wrong direction. Prevention is better than Band-aids! Tree Dimensional, Outside The Box, Thinking is required to PREVENT obvious problems from occurring. That means, you think about everything that Could happen and come up with ways to prevent it. You don't wait for It to happen and then say, "Well maybe we shouldn't do that in the future." Officers LEAD with their minds, they don't work with their hands!
Glad I'm not with u
@@chrisboek2346 After everything I said, that's the best you can come up with?
I'm not a fireman but seems overly chaotic and too many chefs in the kitchen, so to speak. it appears that hiring for fireman is way out of control. This could have been handled by probably 2 fire trucks and crews. Sounds like a Chinese fire drill to me.
Apparently now, we have police Captains for each truck??? If we're looking to cut funding for civil affairs, you could easily take a fire ax to fire departments in California.
People in glendale, la canada, are rude, they dont respect street signs, kids be getting out of the school bus they will haul ass, inhate those two cities and the city of los angeles too
As a vegan I am most likely to save animals or rehumans so there should be an animal only division of the fire department to look for pets Any animals taped in a fire can be rescued by me. I'm a vegan. I feed homeless people but run to feed the homeless animals first. I rush animals to vet hospitalswhen needed and I have to risk a speeding ticket. I've never got a speeding ticket even when one pulled over for going 100mh in a 70mph highway. The police said I was doing the right thing and cleared the way for me and even escorted me to the animal hospital. 🐈🐕💗💛💓💜💗🐰🧡💚💙❤️ I'm only 93lbs and I can lift all sized animals. People are harder for me to get. I'm strong for my size. I have lifted only 100lbs dogs. Cats are much lighter weight. I would suck at saving humans. Animals are most innocent like babies forever. I'm so glad that engine 23 saw the smoke and lept into action. Good job fire fighters. ❤️💙💚🧡💗💜👍🏽🙏🏼🙏🏾🙏🏽🙏🏿
27 years service and 5 years as a captain with many major scenes as IC I became a believer in using a PPV fan to clear smoke and heat prior to entry as an example. During the 360 I established an exit for the forced air and assigned a fire fighter to man it so I could shut it down to prevent the spread of fire if that was the case . . . it's doesn't take long for a 24" fan moving 16,000+ cfm to provide a good view of what I we were up against especially in apartments with long narrow hallways filled with smoke . . . it was also my habit to assign a senior member to man channel 2 while I was always on the tactical channel and in direct contact with interior and out of view crews.This senior person would always be near and relayed messages to me in person meaning we had our own spontaneous and private conversations off radio. I always heard the traffic on channel 2 without being interrupted by it which gave me just enough time to think of my response without turning my attention away from the tac channel. The senior member often filtered out the noise and gave me exactly what I needed know so I could concentrate on the crews status and their reports . . . the professionalism and operational knowledge these crews showed was excellent and commendable. I'm pleased that everyone went home. www.hickwilly.com/fire