BTW!! DHIL has a massive advantage over everyone because they all have imaginary weakness. From what I've tested, the ranking of who's better at e2 (imo) is: 1. Acheron 2. Firefly 3. DHIL Also I wanted to thank all of you for getting my last video to 20k views in 2 DAYS! Never thought that would happen and I am pretty thankful that you guys managed to do this. Anyway leave a comment down below and I'll see if I can do it in the next video! (btw if I don't do yours either I have it planned or forgot to do it, so just ask for it again in the comments so it catches my attention). Edit: Just found out from you guys that I had a few errors in making the builds and runs with the chars. Completely my fault. I'll try to figure them out next time.
@@zxcentsensei.sunder if you run no sustain yeah they can all 0 cycle easily. I like my runs to be a bit more comfy for these videos though so I just run a sustain.
@@rockzisofficial2445 should've pulled while you had the chance i've used her in every moc 12 with dhil except for this one cuz svarog 3 cycled argenti like the chad he is
A little crazy how DHIL, although a very old DPS, can still compete, albeit slightly worse. Not the best DPS but goddamn bro still does a lot of damage otherwise. Edit: My brothers in Christ omfg why did this turn to a mfing warzone
@@quockhanhle6262 yes he has, sorry to inform jingliu mains, but he is better than her in any scenarios, and tbf at e0, depending on the enemies lineup he can even be better than firefly, sure he is not acheron level but he is no short of insane dps
and firefly E2 is her powerspike, all 5* units have at E6 powerspike ( whale territory ) they put firefly at e2 bc they know people would spend money and its better to try get e2 then e6
@monkeydspider8203 they mean he doesnt have a relic set that minimizes his cons or boosts his kit the imaginary and musketeer sets are generalized sets that dont specifically do much to buff the pros of his kit nor does he has one that would minimize the negatives of his kit being so sp draining every other dps after him and jingliu does have a relic set that highlights their kits
If they add a relic set that is meant for him pretty sure qingque will benefit from it aswee this 2 characters almost gets buffed if one of them got a buff
I saw a pretty interesting post on the SamMains reddit posted by Swords-2-Plowshares calculating Firefly's E0S1 performance during v3 and since then she's recieved an incredibly minor nerf. The calculations suggestee Firefly in her best team deals on average 3014 per AV in a single target scenario. For anyone who doesn't know AV is how action order is calculated. By comparison, Acheron dealt 2559 damage per AV, meaning Firefly had 18% higher damage per AV. Interesting to note is that the 3014 figure is ignoring the super break damage you get from your other party members as well as their help in breaking the enemy. It also factored in the downtime and damage against non-broken enemies. The calculations were done against an enemy with 450 toughness and 158 speed and would be significantly increased against an enemy with less toughness and speed and would be further increased factoring in the damage from HMC and Gallagher. As you all know they can both deal quite significant super break damage. This seems to indicate Firefly in v3 was far and away the strongest dps in the game, and in v4 her damage was nerfed by only a few percent.
Here’s Hunterkee’s calcs which are more in depth. It should be noted that even at e2 Acheron has a ult bottle neck where she will rarely if ever get 2 ults per 100AV (1 boss 1 elite won’t change that even with JQ who probably can’t be run fast). FF who can always act at least twice per 100AV has a significant advantage in comparison. Essentially the longer the fight the more Acheron loses. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N8G8zQ4VYNVQBuZb6ZiceW6O3ioTSULxCdlcYEFx8XU/htmlview#
It’s mostly bc Acheron can only ult at 1-per cycle (100AV) under most conditions, while FF will act at least twice. Meaning that longer fights will give greater benefit to FF than Acheron. Lastly, Hunterkee has some good spreadsheets if you want to see more detailed break downs (simulations).
Meta is constantly changing and all characters will eventually be powercrept. That being said, Dan Heng is eternal, and I will always brute force my way through all content with him lmao
The only character can't be powercrept is Kafka if they ever make a powercrept Kafka it will just add more power to her team more dots = stronger Kafka gets
She still doesn't have Jiaoqiu and we won't even mention the fact that she's overcapping on crit rate by like 20%, but fair, those bugs are really good for her ult though admittedly quite a few bosses and enemies generally are
You mean it's not fair that the insects don't have Lighting weakness. Try to use Firefly against an enemy without Fire weakness and see her damage be 10-20k without ever breaking the enemy
@@henricristian6199 Just because Acheron can still do big damage regardless of weaknesses speaks about how good she is, but it's still a disadvantage to fight against the bugs, meanwhile Dan Heng needs all Imaginary weakness to stand a chance. Firefly only applies Fire weakness for 2 turns, if the fight is longer than that and you don't have other characters that can break the boss effectively, good luck doing any damage. This is the point of my comment. Acheron can perform well with AOE or single target and with any weaknesses. Meanwhile, Firefly and Dan Heng are reliant on breaking the enemy or Imaginary weakness
@@frogct1000 no its not the same. because he instantly popped dhil's ult the moment it became available, he was only able to do ULT + 3EBA when he couldve done 3EBA + ULT + 3EBA, that was a huge misplay by him
Just an advice. I do think running Gepard with trend LC would be better than Gallagher because of his high taunt value, he can provide a lot of stacks for acheron ult. But gallagher can only provide two with his ult.
Your Acheron has too much critic rate, yes, it has 70, but if you add the effect of the set it is 86 cr plus Sparkle is 96 cr, but with eidolon 1 it is 114 critic rate!!!
The stat for archeron in this video is too unrealistic anyway . 76 crit rate and 291crit dmg is so impossible never see anyone got that good stat to hit 200 crit dmg with archeron while balancing crit rate at 70+ is already hard
@@peak407 the stats are definitely kind of insane, but it’s not that hard to get 70 crate and 200+ cdmg, though I definitely think something like 240 would be the realistic cap with 70+ crate
Not trying to say that the gameplay is bad but as a dhil main my first 5 star and built team if you add ruan mei instead of tingyun I guarantee that you will hit 250-300k every single time but tingyun is a good alternative if you don’t have ruan mei. Otherwise GREAT GAMEPLAY
Oh I know there's a lot of mistakes in the gameplay, a lot of people have pointed it out already xd. I was thinking that tingyun+huohuo would be better because more ults = more turns but I don't know any of the calcs so I'm going off pure theory here. I'll probably redo this at some point. Thanks for watching :)
@@GachaKricis np thx for the quick reply I actually use the same exact team but with Loucha. I plan on getting ruan Mei for dhil so yeah but thx for the gameplay
@@GachaKricisi dont see any significant mistake, it is really a good gameplay tbh, if you want to you can use robin, with team of robin (with signature) + sparkle (bronya signature) + huohuo (with 140+ err) and dhil (err rope). my dhil is 80/200 crit ratio and can deal consistenly 400k to 500k, i hope you can give this team a try, it is rally a fun team cuz huohuo act as a battery and with high err you can get her ult in like 3 turns so robin can cast her ult immediatly after she finish singing also if you notice, (in my opinion) acheron and firefly team have many sub dps pela can besome sub dps while hmc gallager and ruan mei also become dps after enemy toughness gets depleted so yeah my point is, if you have robin huohuo can deal like 40 to 50k which is not to large in number but can support the overall team so yeah tbh your video is great though tq for making that comparison, i want to make hypercrit dhil team and hyperbreak firefly team
Bro, ruan mei is broken 💀 she's the only harmony that is hard to powercreep she buffs the new break meta,dual dps and hyper carry teams i even use her with acheron e0 ciz bru she can fill up the two nihility requirements she is ultra -brok☠️
i think firefly's e2 is the strongest even though acherons e2 is cracked we will get Jiaoqiu soon so if both pela and him can provide really fast debuff for acheron her e2 will slightly down a little
@@pisithchung5938I think what they're saying is running acheron with jiaoqiu means you don't need an abundance or preservation on her team, so you can use harmony instead. one of acheron e2's best additions is lowering the nihility requirement for her passive
yes but if you had a dream on jiaoqiu, you would run Acheron-jiaoqiu-Sparkle-Bronya. Not saying Firefly is weak, she is great but the benefits he provide to support acheron is more benefical than Firefly.
well its a dps showdown lol. With a few months farming for relics you can get it pretty comparable too, my acheron has 70cr with 230 cd. All comes down luck and how dedicated you are to farming them.
you all also have to realize, Acheron and Firefly have literally tailor made cavern AND SU sets while DHIL does not. FF and DHIL have their BiS supports. FF also has fire weakness implant which negates the non-weakness a bit. The bugs exploding provides Acheron tons of stacks and allows her to finish faster than against usual enemies. This comparison has so many inequalities it's nigh impossible to really measure them all, esp when it goes against user data that shows how the past 2 MOCs DHIL has actually been out-cycling acheron. Take all this with a grain of salt, they're all great dps.
Firefly weakness implant does not impact the eff res of enemy so firefly was dealing 20% less damage to the enemy . If the enemy had 20 eff res. Acheron was getting stacks a bit too quickly Dan hang had a significant advantage bcz the enemy was weak to img .
Interesting comparing Video! :D I think you found the right enemy's for testing these 3, Acheron needs to fight them without any Electro weakness but has the bonus of getting a lot of Stacks from these bugs. She also does a lot of Aoe and Single Target Dmg so don't actually know what she isn't strong against. ^^ Dan Heng or Feng or what ever is older but gets the Bonus that everyone has his weakness what gives him a big Bonus in fight but still you can see that hes struggling even with that much weakness. He takes quite long if you consider all the attacks he does. xD Yeah, Firefly does SAM things while trys to break the Meta.
But with dang heng you could do a 0 cycle in the first try waiting to the sparkle turn to buff dang heng and then that 4% of hp left shouldn't exist In the Acheron round you should wait to the swarm to spawn him minions bcz they put a debuff when they die if im not wrong
Acheron and Firefly on top, and both are not in full potential yet, Jiaoqiu will benefit both of them for be debuff and fire, and a super break T5 support is coming for FF
@@Geovane-SundayE6S2there no normal healer these day they have to be atleast half harmony for people to pulls like Gallagher benefit break dmg and can help break enemies
this is so rigged for acheron. Bugs give her so much stacks for her ult yet she performed same to dhil and FF lol. and dont say "ooh dhil had imaginary advantage" acheron already has a pen boost on her ult that makes her deals the same damage as if they had lightning weakness break same thing for FF that applies fire to the enemies. Dhil is 1 year old yet he is still competetive what a goat. (yes i know if all of them are e0 acheron is better )
@@gosudrone20not with Ruan's ultimate that increases penetration by 25%, I don't really get how the element penetration works but that should increase her damage right?
Dhil mentioned, Jingliu Stans approached.you will always be famous, our little dragon 😢 no specific relics, no dedicate support that can utilize his sp consumption and still thriving
DHIL’s dmg and team can be improved so much. He still doesn’t have a dedicated relic set to him yet and Tingyun can be replaced with a better 5 star energy support in the future
How is it possible for Acheron to start with 6 charges? 3:53, she gets 4 at the beginning for her passive ability, another one for any technique(debuff) of any character, it would be 5 how did you get 6???
For a guy whose banner first released 7 patches ago, him still being top 3 speaks volumes about how strong the guy is even after all the competition. Then again, him being a deuteragonist and representative of China for HSR (with Jing Yuan) does help his case a lot, as Hoyo would never let him get obsolete in any way if they don’t want backlash from CN.
@@raddifsheikh1736DHIL isn't top 3 anymore. It's Acheron, Firefly, and KafkaSwan. Yes, KafkaSwan is better, as they're more consistent in MoC, actually usable (even one of the best) comps in PF. KafkaSwan comps are also consistently faster than IL + Sparkle in average clears.
Imo, E2 Bronya is better for Acheron than Sparkle if you give Gallagher and Pela enough spd. Her dmg per ult will be slightly lower but she'll charge her ult way faster (3 extra stacks per turn)
Umm firefly cannot compete...you can run Gallagher, pela,any nehality you have , acheron and she will clap . Firefly , HMC , Gallagher, any harmony you have. She can't complete with acheron without ruan mei.
I think DHIl is actually more consistent and stronger than Firefly ngl. Firefly has her downtime, if the enemy isn't broken she goes to 10k from 200k. While DHIL on the other hand consistently hits 200-300k as long as you know how to manage SP(which you don't need if you have sparkle lol).
What i've notice in this video is 1. Acheron Dmg is 1M+ From 93% to 50% ( I know it's because The Boss true sring spawn Minion) 4:53 2. Firefly Damage is 400k+ From 98% to 47% 8:05 So This super break damage amount is small, because, enemy broken but the damage comes in is more painful. And for acheron, That because the enemy is not broken the damage amount is big but damage comes in is not really painful than firefly So for Damage amount is Acheron and for damage more painful but the amount is small, was firefly
@@therealdrdave he is basically saying acheron damage is overflowing and not dealing damage to actual enemies . She is over killing the dead enemies and wasting her damage . Firefly and dhil are not doing that
Keep in mind, FF weakness implant is different from SW, that fire weakness is only there to break, the element resistance is still there. She is basically bruteforcing enemies this comparison.
Bro!!! The différence beetween DHIL and Acheron team mate vs Firefly is just unbeliveable!!! Look your Sparkle in front of Ruan mei and Trialbliezer! U give DDD to her ??? Why! Ruan mei have not her lightcone when sparkle have her! And FF still arrive to make the same Time… she is probably better with her E2
the effect of firefly's technique is absolutely huge too she has big disadvantage on enemies that either her tech doesn't work or aren't fire weak e2 mitigates it a bit but still
7:13 if you wait the enemy to act first, u probably can get HTB ult first, then FF ult after that so that turn is not a waste of damage, or you just can use skill on gallagher so he can ult in the first turn and break the enemies so HTB can her ult. you have so much skill point anyway.
As a Danheng IL main, I’m so proud of him that he can still be a good hypercarry dps despite being a very old dps among those new chars with the self apply or ignore weakness mechanisms 🥹❤️
Cool video, still I think that it’s too biased as a showcase between these different teams. The main reason is obviously that all the enemy had Imaginary weakness, so IL had no problem, while both firefly and Acheron had to deal with the 20% dmg decrease from not matching weakness type. Maybe a stage with a boss with lightning, fire and imaginary weakness would be better, or even a stage where the enemy doesn’t have these three types of weakness. (The argument that firefly would have an edge in the situation the enemy’s weakness type doesn’t match to either dps’ is irrelevant because all firefly can do is implant fire weakness, meaning the 20% dmg decrease from not matching weakness type is still there)
the reason it was kinda fine is that ff implants, and acheron gets stacks when bugs are killed. There wasn't a single boss fits all kind of thing for these 3 and I don't have too much time rn to fight multiple bosses in one video. also just looked it up, weakness implant does remove the 20% dmg resist
I thought u were just talking about their stats in battle but yeah ur right those relics are not real at all. Nobody will ever have godlike stats like this.
what the other guy said. this is a concept showcase, all of them are built with pretty godlike pieces to compare. but because theyre all at a godlike level, theyre all "equal" in terms of stats.
7:39 Idk , i maybe wrong but when ff slash break enemies first then the explosion she deal both break damage and super break damage while if you break the enemies in the explosion only break damge for her
After compare the break damage between the fire robot and the horse ,her damage sure is double if you break the right time , it doesn't affect that much cause it only in that moment but if someone try 0 cc it can be important
Yes, her enhanced skill has 2 phase: a slash and a burst (you can see in her animation). If you break with the slash, the burst will cause superbreak. However, if you break with the burst, you won’t get the superbreak.
I can't wait to get Firefly, she'll be my first powerhouse DPS on my roster, whilst I have JingLiu, she doesn't hit into the 100K's for me. I don't have DanIL or Acheron.
@@isokenosahon6562 I have her signature LC, ice relics, decent crit, Bronya to help her. She just does around 50-60K for me against groups who are weak to ice.
Jingliu is a powerhouse dps, ur probably just building her wrong or not investing. I constantly hit 200k+ ults and I dont even have signature light cone
@@rezaabiyoso1855 Yeah. If u really know how these characters and relics value works. FUN FACT: you can easily reach that 300BE threshold with sig LC, sig relic, traces, sig planar with ZERO BE substats. Does acheron can reach those abnormally high crit ratio with zero crit substats? Oh hell nah. 2800 is normal since you are running these mainstat atk%, speed, atk%, BE. Your seele can even reach 3000k attack with crit body, speed, dmg%, atk% mainstat. That 2800 atk is mid considering you have two atk% mainstat 151 speed, you think this is impressive. Considering that ff only really needs spd and be, that pretty mid. Even my supports have more optimize speedstats than this lmao. TLDR if you dont understand. Those ff relics value is equivalent to a 58/164 crit ratio acheron. Let that sink in
if you played better and saved dhil's ult at 3:03 after bringing him up via sparkle, it'll be 3EBA ULT 3EBA instead, then he could have easily 0 cycled that, well compared to the other two braindead dps i cant really blame common folks for not playing him right
All 3 of them have advantages in those showcase. The Swarm and the Elite have Imaginary Weakness, The small swarms can apply debuffs for Acheron when they die and Firefly is the only one can apply weakness. And e2 of all of them really crazy :v
for dh il and Acheron it's because the enemy favours them but for firefly it's her kit you are comparing. Wouldn't say it 'gives her a advantage' it's her own kit
Look at those stats 88/250 3.5k DHIL 169 268 sparkle @@ 70/291 4.4k acheron How do I achieve this Does anyone achieved this kinds of statline, teach me your secrets please. And please dont tell me its luck, I have none of those.
@@MissPinkElfy Ah my real acheron build on main server is only like 70 cr 230 cd. nothing extreme lol. 2 months of farming and you can get any character to good stats.
The thing is, for the best experience, ruan mei is wanted for firefly and sparkle for dhil but acheron doesn't really have a dedicated limited support (until jiaoqiu ofc) but then again her ln is also way too busted instead so it's fair between all of them for f2ps and low spenders
@@ghouldiablo he got less vuln for changing his burn to dot. Pretty much just sucks for acheron now. Def shred would still give a better dmg yield than him and we just got his final version that keeps him like that.
LOL. You're not meant to relate to them because they're more concept focused. Everyone has broken gear so everyone is equal type of shenanigans for this comparison.
@@IamTheNayoit’s better to have high crit rate on Acheron rather than high crit damage doing the math. Missing a single crit on your ult is quite more detrimental than you think
dont forget that while DHIL and Acheron E2 is a major power spike (DHIL e2 is like 58% DPS increase and Acheron 33%) I dont think Firefly one is that high, and im pretty sure her sig LC is not that good compared to the S5 Aeon
@@gym4379 the dmg difference its still kinda low tbh i dont think her lc is worthy 66-80 pulls is better pick e1 or ruan mei if you dont have her besides lingsha that probably gonna be gallagher powercreep
@@zerk343 well the dmg difference is there more like 20% but visually it's almost the same clears that why it looks like a small difference but yeah better going for E1 if aiming for e2
The difference also comes to the team. While Acheron and DHIL are hypercarries, Firefly is not. In fact she makes everyone in the team deal more dmg since every character can be a dps in a super break team.
Still very good performance on all 3 dps, all 3 are competitive and if you have the free Ratio and E0 Bronya selector + pela/jiaoqiu depending if your main team is Acheron, you will also have a secondary team. That Ratio was too goated I'm afraid, it's too good with pela and bronya which you can get over time, and even without them, bronya topaz aventurine all work with him. I like how the video is not even about him and I'm here glazing him, lmao.
Interesting run but this Shows without Imaginary weakness DHIL is not keeping up. Also I'm surprised how close it was with FF and Acheron but that being said ya made a few misplays with FF and her team that gave you trouble at the end there.
Yeah I gave these like 3 runs each at best. Def not perfect runs and I haven't bothered going into the insanly nitty gritty part of rotations to make her absolutely perfect. Her doing pretty good despite that says a lot though.
@@GachaKricis ya I completely agree ya can't be here all day but it definitely did her a little bit dirty. But that being said I think Acheron and FF are = one is better at 1/2 and the other with 2+ but in the end its so close that they end up with the same Cycles anyway...
@@GachaKricis she boosts damage more than tingyun, even if tingyun gives more ults that only compensate for her giving little damage boost, so i rather have overall more buff than needing to use more skills after his ult to do more damage, then again this is E2, at E0 mei is still way better
Thank you for the showcase... that's truly economic build indeed XD. I can't afford to lose her again, NO!! not again. So regardless her dmg i still pull for her
Honestly dhil just need one more support that increases an ally's damage depending on their skillls consumed, and also increases their basic attack, basically we need a propagation path character in the game.
@@reizshfelonia6471 yeah and sparkle overlaps some aspects of bronya as well. In the future of course they're be more characters that takes inspo from simulated universe blessings such as the propagation path.
I hate it when they make sparkle skill from 2 turn to 1 turn. If you use Dhil E2, you got damage loss cus buff skill from sparkle just 1 turn. Its better to pair Dhil E2 with Bronya E6.
You played DHIL and Acheron well but the FF E2 optimization was not it. Also if the bosses were different resistances the results would obv be different, would love to see those as well.
its not any moc, just random mobs with imaginary weakness at lvl 95, and they feel squishy because these guys are e2 with pretty insane stats in their best teams (to my knowledge).
@@GachaKricisff stat seem normal tho ? For speed she just need new relic spd boots and ruanmei to get to her spd break points so it no point giving her 151 base spd since it go to a waste
Imo ff is a little bit better than acheron. Here are the reasons- 1. FF is universal where u wont be using sw with acheron if she's e2. This causes her to loss her universality. Though still she does pretty big dmg. 2.FF has still window to improve. As of now only Htb can provide super break buff. But in future new harmony super break buffer will come. And im pretty sure he/she will skyrocket ff dmg to another lvl. Also new 5* fire abundance coming in 2.5, that healer might buff break effect team(ff buff) 3. FF is more F2p friendly. U can run su lc with her and she will do the same dmg. 4. Her super break dmg is a bit higher than acheron ult
but on the other side is much easier for the enemies to counter break dps, and we will see in pure fiction at least with E2 and/or himeko she could do some things
I’m disagree with the 4th point, total super break dmg from FF in 1st wave did sth like ~900k in total while Archeron single ult reach 1mil (in this video)
@@asoret u can apply fire weakness with ff ult and it's universal. Even if an enemy has fire resistance, she will apply fire weakness and can do big super break DMG. Ff is not made for pf btw. She's very good for moc and apocalyptic shadow.
@@ultrakhaicraft2594 both of them has almost similar DMG. But if u consider universality ff is slight better. Ofc against electro weakness enemy Acheron does more dmg
@@WhiteHairSupremacy They dont because Firefly breaks enemies and Ruan Mei prolongs it. So long as you can break or kill the enemy a sustainer is just a waste of a team slot.
DMG boost, crit dmg boost are both useless, the only thing useful about bronya is her action fastforward and attack buff, but Honestly you're better off using Asta or Hanya.
She can still compete, its just that the flashy high cost high damage units appear better even though they cost more skill points and turns to deal damage which justifies their damage. Like, obviously acheron ult will appear better but then you see a several turn downtime which justifies that damage. Its same with jingliu. She can do that 1 million acheron does in her entire spectral transmigration form, it just appears like less since you're doing 200-300ks each hit
As many tc or meta cucks knew, even back then she was less damage than DHIL but far friendlier on investment, she reached a lot of breakpoints and if you didn’t do the tingyun speed boost shit with DHIL she kinda just was better for 0 cycling. Now Sparkle is just nuts so
@@zlPoplzhe not showing her here is because he showing best dps at e2 and dhil e2 dmg output is a little higher than jingliu e6 so yea she underwhelming compared with e2 but if it e0 she is better than dhil.
Non of the new supports suits her, while characters like Seele and DHIL gets Sparkle. Her self buff in itself is a blessing and a curse. Free crit value means at lower investment she’s great even without sparkle in your account, but the better your relic gets and if you have sparkle or Robin for other dps, crit starts to get diminishing returns.
Yep alot of people don't understand that BH and FF weakness implant does not reduce element resistance like SW. Meaning their dmg is butchered and is pretty much bruteforcing.
I just realized these runs had a lot of skill issue Dhil run: he could've used sparkle first then 3ba ult 3ba for a 0 cycle Acheron run: e2s1 bronya with perfect speed tuning is a lot better than sparkle Firefly run: they didn't utilize e2 properly and lost out on extra turns Runs could be polished more for a better showcase Thanks for your time
great run man, but there is a little miss play in 2nd phase on firefly run, so actually u can another turn by killing the already broken elite then after that go after the swarm little minion to kill it after fire implant and get another turn and after that go the swarm boss to implant to maximize her e2 Tbh, all them finish in 1 cycle, quite surprisiing cos i tot e2 acheron will 0 cycle this as she is the best dps so far
the thing with acheron is that she has everything you could ever want from a dps a ult that's easy to get huge single and aoe damage and the ult is a massive middle finger to anyone not on your team
Well the artifacts on the video seems to be this broken and unrealistic to show the maximum potential of the characters but yeah I agree that seeing this is crazy
@@Avrgpantheonenjoyer That is what I tried to say, i could not explain it in That way but relicd got maximum damage value as possible to compare characters as their maximum possible damage (i think thats fair since trying to balance relics while the characters build different)
Not unless you're lucky. This is a theory concept and just a fun video comparing the 3. My other videos have more realistic relics after a couple months of grinding.
Firefly is so much better than these two, Acheron was absurdly shilled by insect debuffs, broken build also dhill with fully elemental advantage, but Firefly did as much as them with worse build and no elemental advantage (natural) Dont get me wrong, but just look the video... its okay to accept Firefly is the top dps rn, not the Emanator pre Jiaoqiu, and yet and after that, Firefly gonna be the most powerful in lower investment, she the cheapest along side boothill
Atk shoes and good rolls. On the main server I'm on 200% BE with fall of aeon. Had around 3k resin from reserves and fuel. Enough resin and theoretically everything is possible.
BTW!! DHIL has a massive advantage over everyone because they all have imaginary weakness.
From what I've tested, the ranking of who's better at e2 (imo) is:
1. Acheron
2. Firefly
3. DHIL
Also I wanted to thank all of you for getting my last video to 20k views in 2 DAYS! Never thought that would happen and I am pretty thankful that you guys managed to do this. Anyway leave a comment down below and I'll see if I can do it in the next video! (btw if I don't do yours either I have it planned or forgot to do it, so just ask for it again in the comments so it catches my attention).
Edit: Just found out from you guys that I had a few errors in making the builds and runs with the chars. Completely my fault. I'll try to figure them out next time.
all can 0 cycle ye
@@zxcentsensei.sunder if you run no sustain yeah they can all 0 cycle easily. I like my runs to be a bit more comfy for these videos though so I just run a sustain.
Not the most truthful statement, the insects bursting are providing Acheron a lot of free ult stacks.
@@gregoryzeng9901 indeed every vulnerability counts as stack so its huge for acheron get her ult faster
dhil is far better with ruan mei then tingyun
DHIL: Consistency
Acheron: Damage scaling
Firefly: Speed
Consistently killing my skill points (I need sparkle I can't manage sp)
@@rockzisofficial2445 should've pulled while you had the chance
i've used her in every moc 12 with dhil except for this one cuz svarog 3 cycled argenti like the chad he is
Tried to get hanabi for DHIL but lost to Bronya tf
@@Honksy be honored getting her bc what if you got yanying
@@zalox12 i already have yanqing and his 2 lc goddammit and e2 bronya
A little crazy how DHIL, although a very old DPS, can still compete, albeit slightly worse. Not the best DPS but goddamn bro still does a lot of damage otherwise.
Edit: My brothers in Christ omfg why did this turn to a mfing warzone
Yep, bro sent poor jingliu into oblivion, right now he is the only hypercarry to compete with acheron debuff team and firefly superbreak
Probably one of the only dpses with no downtime, as long as you have sp, once his turn comes always deal 100k to 200k damage.
@@djampoucheukap1742 Nah hes not
@@quockhanhle6262 yes he has, sorry to inform jingliu mains, but he is better than her in any scenarios, and tbf at e0, depending on the enemies lineup he can even be better than firefly, sure he is not acheron level but he is no short of insane dps
@@djampoucheukap1742 He only surpass her in E2, in E0S1 they're the same level of dmg but jingliu can go faster and cost less SP
All the ppl fighting in chat on who's top dps meanwhile...
here i am still with my blade hyper carry
👁👄👁💧
Hahah stay strong, blade support soon
I feel you. My blade still my better dps while doing just 80k at his peak💀
I'm hoping for FireFly to help me
Me with jing yuan 😌
@@mihakolesa6688верим, что Яшма усилит Блейда
Absolutely freaking based. Blade is so fun to play with
its always the E2 that skyrockets their performance
to attract dolphins yea. its probably the reason e4 is almost always garbage.
and firefly E2 is her powerspike, all 5* units have at E6 powerspike ( whale territory ) they put firefly at e2 bc they know people would spend money and its better to try get e2 then e6
@@VindenciThat paired with ruan mei being Soo broken, this banner sale revenue gonna be nuts…
meanwhile jingliu painn
@@legendredux1291 Isnt jingliu's e2 kinda mid? It seems relatively inconsistent to me.
Quick reminder that DHL doesn't actually has a relic set that ment for himself
Damn you are right. We will truly be winning the moment he gets a set that buffs you based on SP consumption.
not yet (hopefully)
What bro is saying 🙄
He has his planar set and the Muskateer set. He has imaginary too that he can use
@monkeydspider8203 they mean he doesnt have a relic set that minimizes his cons or boosts his kit the imaginary and musketeer sets are generalized sets that dont specifically do much to buff the pros of his kit nor does he has one that would minimize the negatives of his kit being so sp draining every other dps after him and jingliu does have a relic set that highlights their kits
If they add a relic set that is meant for him pretty sure qingque will benefit from it aswee this 2 characters almost gets buffed if one of them got a buff
I saw a pretty interesting post on the SamMains reddit posted by Swords-2-Plowshares calculating Firefly's E0S1 performance during v3 and since then she's recieved an incredibly minor nerf. The calculations suggestee Firefly in her best team deals on average 3014 per AV in a single target scenario. For anyone who doesn't know AV is how action order is calculated. By comparison, Acheron dealt 2559 damage per AV, meaning Firefly had 18% higher damage per AV.
Interesting to note is that the 3014 figure is ignoring the super break damage you get from your other party members as well as their help in breaking the enemy. It also factored in the downtime and damage against non-broken enemies. The calculations were done against an enemy with 450 toughness and 158 speed and would be significantly increased against an enemy with less toughness and speed and would be further increased factoring in the damage from HMC and Gallagher. As you all know they can both deal quite significant super break damage.
This seems to indicate Firefly in v3 was far and away the strongest dps in the game, and in v4 her damage was nerfed by only a few percent.
Here’s Hunterkee’s calcs which are more in depth. It should be noted that even at e2 Acheron has a ult bottle neck where she will rarely if ever get 2 ults per 100AV (1 boss 1 elite won’t change that even with JQ who probably can’t be run fast). FF who can always act at least twice per 100AV has a significant advantage in comparison. Essentially the longer the fight the more Acheron loses.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N8G8zQ4VYNVQBuZb6ZiceW6O3ioTSULxCdlcYEFx8XU/htmlview#
She is still bes dps and the one that csn be used against every moc....since uts si isvyo apply the fire weakness
For now. Until the next powercreep of course.
It’s mostly bc Acheron can only ult at 1-per cycle (100AV) under most conditions, while FF will act at least twice. Meaning that longer fights will give greater benefit to FF than Acheron.
Lastly, Hunterkee has some good spreadsheets if you want to see more detailed break downs (simulations).
Nope, some leaker said Acheron and Feixiao(future character) are the best dps in patch 2.?,they don't mention Firefly,but we will see
Meta is constantly changing and all characters will eventually be powercrept. That being said, Dan Heng is eternal, and I will always brute force my way through all content with him lmao
Img weak enemies will never go extinct, and Sparkle will stay permanently so yeah he should be pretty eternal
Imagine him getting dedicated relic set like firefly.. bro will be busted
@@Ariessss11103he already is.
@@Ariessss11103 nah I'd bust 🗣️🗣️
The only character can't be powercrept is Kafka if they ever make a powercrept Kafka it will just add more power to her team more dots = stronger Kafka gets
this insects give so much acheron ult stacks, but its ok, everyone is nice
yeah its not a fair ground tbh
She still doesn't have Jiaoqiu and we won't even mention the fact that she's overcapping on crit rate by like 20%, but fair, those bugs are really good for her ult though admittedly quite a few bosses and enemies generally are
You mean it's not fair that the insects don't have Lighting weakness. Try to use Firefly against an enemy without Fire weakness and see her damage be 10-20k without ever breaking the enemy
@@Gennosuke1983 acheron dont care that much about weakness and firefly implant fire weakness in enchanted skills, she dont cara about that too
@@henricristian6199 Just because Acheron can still do big damage regardless of weaknesses speaks about how good she is, but it's still a disadvantage to fight against the bugs, meanwhile Dan Heng needs all Imaginary weakness to stand a chance. Firefly only applies Fire weakness for 2 turns, if the fight is longer than that and you don't have other characters that can break the boss effectively, good luck doing any damage.
This is the point of my comment. Acheron can perform well with AOE or single target and with any weaknesses. Meanwhile, Firefly and Dan Heng are reliant on breaking the enemy or Imaginary weakness
2:59 maybe if you waited for sparkle advance and then used dhil ulti, you would get a 0 cycle clear with him
good catch
Not really, his ult it still buffer by Sparkle and e2 advance make him lost Sparkle buff anyway
@@frogct1000 no its not the same. because he instantly popped dhil's ult the moment it became available, he was only able to do ULT + 3EBA when he couldve done 3EBA + ULT + 3EBA, that was a huge misplay by him
Just an advice. I do think running Gepard with trend LC would be better than Gallagher because of his high taunt value, he can provide a lot of stacks for acheron ult. But gallagher can only provide two with his ult.
That's only if rng is good
yep, or even adventurine for less taunt value but his ult cdmg multiplier
If you saw the game play almost no enemy was attacking against Acheron and FF compared to DHIL. If they're not many hits trend is useless
@@Clutchassassinmore than half of the time gepard gonna get hit cuz tanks usually have higher agro than other path
@@Clutchassassin gepard has increased aggro with his trace and based on experience he takes most of the hits
wth, the Danil stat is absolute cinema
I am just looking at those crit stats and wondering how they even found another 40cv over my dhil who is using rainbow pieces to scrape more cv.
Your Acheron has too much critic rate, yes, it has 70, but if you add the effect of the set it is 86 cr plus Sparkle is 96 cr, but with eidolon 1 it is 114 critic rate!!!
At least she has 291 cdm..
@@alfathsetyoaji395my acheron reaches 100cr 392cdm with e0s1 sparkle and e1s1 fu xuan. 270 cdm is nothing
The stat for archeron in this video is too unrealistic anyway . 76 crit rate and 291crit dmg is so impossible never see anyone got that good stat to hit 200 crit dmg with archeron while balancing crit rate at 70+ is already hard
@@peak407 the stats are definitely kind of insane, but it’s not that hard to get 70 crate and 200+ cdmg, though I definitely think something like 240 would be the realistic cap with 70+ crate
@@peak407 fr. my account acheron got 70/200 crcd
Isn't 4piece messenger on Pela a waste since her ult is used on enemies instead of allies?
Yes
pela better use 4pc wind instead
thank you for the showcase at the end a lot of youtubers tend to skip the support stats but its always helpful to know
Not trying to say that the gameplay is bad but as a dhil main my first 5 star and built team if you add ruan mei instead of tingyun I guarantee that you will hit 250-300k every single time but tingyun is a good alternative if you don’t have ruan mei. Otherwise GREAT GAMEPLAY
Oh I know there's a lot of mistakes in the gameplay, a lot of people have pointed it out already xd. I was thinking that tingyun+huohuo would be better because more ults = more turns but I don't know any of the calcs so I'm going off pure theory here. I'll probably redo this at some point. Thanks for watching :)
@@GachaKricis np thx for the quick reply I actually use the same exact team but with Loucha. I plan on getting ruan Mei for dhil so yeah but thx for the gameplay
@@GachaKricisi dont see any significant mistake, it is really a good gameplay tbh, if you want to you can use robin, with team of robin (with signature) + sparkle (bronya signature) + huohuo (with 140+ err) and dhil (err rope). my dhil is 80/200 crit ratio and can deal consistenly 400k to 500k, i hope you can give this team a try, it is rally a fun team cuz huohuo act as a battery and with high err you can get her ult in like 3 turns so robin can cast her ult immediatly after she finish singing
also if you notice, (in my opinion) acheron and firefly team have many sub dps pela can besome sub dps while hmc gallager and ruan mei also become dps after enemy toughness gets depleted so yeah my point is, if you have robin huohuo can deal like 40 to 50k which is not to large in number but can support the overall team
so yeah tbh your video is great though tq for making that comparison, i want to make hypercrit dhil team and hyperbreak firefly team
Bro, ruan mei is broken 💀 she's the only harmony that is hard to powercreep she buffs the new break meta,dual dps and hyper carry teams i even use her with acheron e0 ciz bru she can fill up the two nihility requirements she is ultra -brok☠️
@@declanakaba8013Watch Hoyo create enemies that cannot be guard broken no matter what next patch. Thats when Ruan Mei is powercreeped 💀
i think firefly's e2 is the strongest even though acherons e2 is cracked we will get Jiaoqiu soon so if both pela and him can provide really fast debuff for acheron her e2 will slightly down a little
Do you understand what you are saying? it kinda funny.
@@pisithchung5938I think what they're saying is running acheron with jiaoqiu means you don't need an abundance or preservation on her team, so you can use harmony instead. one of acheron e2's best additions is lowering the nihility requirement for her passive
@@yofukashidayo Jiaoqiu's heal is extremely small, so it would be better to take the classic sustain with him
yes but if you had a dream on jiaoqiu, you would run Acheron-jiaoqiu-Sparkle-Bronya. Not saying Firefly is weak, she is great but the benefits he provide to support acheron is more benefical than Firefly.
@@br0k3n84 no need Acheron will kill the enemy before they touch her
oh yes my acheron also have 4k4 atk 70 cr 290 cd lmao
relatable build fr
Best I could do is 4.2k atk, 76 cr and 173 cd
@@Mythos66best I could do was losing her to himeko
best I could do is 4.2 atk 72 cr (with diver and izumo passive) and 219 cd and someone called it trash
well its a dps showdown lol. With a few months farming for relics you can get it pretty comparable too, my acheron has 70cr with 230 cd. All comes down luck and how dedicated you are to farming them.
you all also have to realize, Acheron and Firefly have literally tailor made cavern AND SU sets while DHIL does not. FF and DHIL have their BiS supports. FF also has fire weakness implant which negates the non-weakness a bit. The bugs exploding provides Acheron tons of stacks and allows her to finish faster than against usual enemies. This comparison has so many inequalities it's nigh impossible to really measure them all, esp when it goes against user data that shows how the past 2 MOCs DHIL has actually been out-cycling acheron. Take all this with a grain of salt, they're all great dps.
Can confirm... DHIL is literally stuck with 1.0 relics. Not to mention, his sig lc isn't that good compared to Acheron and FF sadly.
weakness implant doesnt remove fire resistance. Only silver wolf that can do it
Firefly weakness implant does not impact the eff res of enemy so firefly was dealing 20% less damage to the enemy . If the enemy had 20 eff res.
Acheron was getting stacks a bit too quickly
Dan hang had a significant advantage bcz the enemy was weak to img .
that has nothing to do with weakness implant. only silver wolf can reduce resistance
@@Bos_MeongWeakness implant means decreased resistance for said element. Every enemy has innate 20% resistance and it goes to -20% with weakness.
No way man, now I want to get for my DHIL even more Eidolons...
What have you done? 😂
Interesting comparing Video! :D
I think you found the right enemy's for testing these 3, Acheron needs to fight them without any Electro weakness but has the bonus of getting a lot of Stacks from these bugs. She also does a lot of Aoe and Single Target Dmg so don't actually know what she isn't strong against. ^^
Dan Heng or Feng or what ever is older but gets the Bonus that everyone has his weakness what gives him a big Bonus in fight but still you can see that hes struggling even with that much weakness. He takes quite long if you consider all the attacks he does. xD
Yeah, Firefly does SAM things while trys to break the Meta.
But with dang heng you could do a 0 cycle in the first try waiting to the sparkle turn to buff dang heng and then that 4% of hp left shouldn't exist
In the Acheron round you should wait to the swarm to spawn him minions bcz they put a debuff when they die if im not wrong
Acheron and Firefly on top, and both are not in full potential yet, Jiaoqiu will benefit both of them for be debuff and fire, and a super break T5 support is coming for FF
It's not a supporter, it's a healer, and no, it won't work with super break, it just break.
I’m assuming you mean there’s another support coming out that does super break, in which case who?
@@Geovane-SundayE6S2there no normal healer these day they have to be atleast half harmony for people to pulls like Gallagher benefit break dmg and can help break enemies
@@Geovane-SundayE6S2def shred increases super break and break damage
In 2.5 will be 5☆ fire healer with break mechanics
If you play on PC you can press "V" key for autobattle and "B" key for X2 speed combat experience
this is so rigged for acheron. Bugs give her so much stacks for her ult yet she performed same to dhil and FF lol. and dont say "ooh dhil had imaginary advantage" acheron already has a pen boost on her ult that makes her deals the same damage as if they had lightning weakness break same thing for FF that applies fire to the enemies. Dhil is 1 year old yet he is still competetive what a goat. (yes i know if all of them are e0 acheron is better )
They have so many things going on in their kits and my king can keep up with much less, truly the goat and I love him sm
Actually FIrefly E0 is on par with Acheron E0 unless the enemy has weakness lock of course
Fire weakness doesn't reduce their fire resistance, it simply allows them to be weakness broken, so Firefly is doing 20% less damage.
@@gosudrone20not with Ruan's ultimate that increases penetration by 25%, I don't really get how the element penetration works but that should increase her damage right?
@@SmashTheAdam With innate fire weakness and RM ult you'd be dealing 125% damage while with implanted weakness and RM ult you're dealing 105%.
Dhil mentioned, Jingliu Stans approached.you will always be famous, our little dragon 😢 no specific relics, no dedicate support that can utilize his sp consumption and still thriving
How did you get your Acheron to 291.4% Crit Damage, mine only 215% Crit Damage
Test servers can make their own relics.
Mine's 190 🥹🥹🥹🥹
Mine's 50/277
Its almost perfect rolls, failed 4 or smt like that
Mine is 70/260
i have 275 cd and 62 cr
DHIL’s dmg and team can be improved so much. He still doesn’t have a dedicated relic set to him yet and Tingyun can be replaced with a better 5 star energy support in the future
How is it possible for Acheron to start with 6 charges? 3:53, she gets 4 at the beginning for her passive ability, another one for any technique(debuff) of any character, it would be 5 how did you get 6???
she starts with 5, not 4
When you enter the battle in these test runs it pops everyones technique. I personally don't know how to stop it so this is the best I can do.
Dude...she starts with 5 stacks and then when enemies get debuffed at the start of the round she gets 1 which makes it a total of 6
How are you getting 5? I get 6 charges
I find it funny that auto battle with Acheron ult is faster than normal.
Dan heng il really still is one of the Titans
For a guy whose banner first released 7 patches ago, him still being top 3 speaks volumes about how strong the guy is even after all the competition. Then again, him being a deuteragonist and representative of China for HSR (with Jing Yuan) does help his case a lot, as Hoyo would never let him get obsolete in any way if they don’t want backlash from CN.
@@raddifsheikh1736DHIL isn't top 3 anymore. It's Acheron, Firefly, and KafkaSwan. Yes, KafkaSwan is better, as they're more consistent in MoC, actually usable (even one of the best) comps in PF. KafkaSwan comps are also consistently faster than IL + Sparkle in average clears.
@@LauderIXKafka swan isn’t even a fair comparison since it’s basically the most complete comp in the game not a hyper carry.
@@newtonnjuguna894 How is it not fair comparison? Dhil+sparkle & firefly+rm are just as expensive for having 2 limited units.
That DHIL could've zero cycled tbh if he let the Sparkle push up DHIL first before using his ult on the last moment.
Although DHL2 dmg have lowest compared to the other two, if you played better you could have gotten 0 cycle, but sick cracked relics
lowest dhil is doing more dmg then firefly and now you put downtime to midflys ult
@@TokitoRen5633brudda no way you’re here too
You’re on every YT video I come across fighting firefly 💀
@@sev559 who tf r u kid huh why don't you go stalk ur mom before I block and mute u
@@sev559 lol how sad is ur life kid 😂😂😂😂😂 i don't remember the name of no life stalkers enjoy the block and mute
@@TokitoRen5633 The irony is crazy
Imo, E2 Bronya is better for Acheron than Sparkle if you give Gallagher and Pela enough spd. Her dmg per ult will be slightly lower but she'll charge her ult way faster (3 extra stacks per turn)
E0S0 FF vs E0S0 Acheron. Both without any limited teamate. Please?
ff doesnt really work without ruan mei
Umm firefly cannot compete...you can run Gallagher, pela,any nehality you have , acheron and she will clap .
Firefly , HMC , Gallagher, any harmony you have.
She can't complete with acheron without ruan mei.
@@elysialvershe does but her damage is down by so much it’s something
@@vegitoblue6969 Prove it
@@NotSamaXD thats why im saying she dont rly work sorry if i dididnt word it right i just meant that shes not a very good dps without her
I think DHIl is actually more consistent and stronger than Firefly ngl. Firefly has her downtime, if the enemy isn't broken she goes to 10k from 200k. While DHIL on the other hand consistently hits 200-300k as long as you know how to manage SP(which you don't need if you have sparkle lol).
What i've notice in this video is
1. Acheron Dmg is 1M+ From 93% to 50% ( I know it's because The Boss true sring spawn Minion) 4:53
2. Firefly Damage is 400k+ From 98% to 47% 8:05
So This super break damage amount is small, because, enemy broken but the damage comes in is more painful.
And for acheron, That because the enemy is not broken the damage amount is big but damage comes in is not really painful than firefly
So for Damage amount is Acheron and for damage more painful but the amount is small, was firefly
Acheron overkills mobs in aoE
Firefly and Dhil have more concentrated blast damage
I had a stroke reading this
@@therealdrdave he is basically saying acheron damage is overflowing and not dealing damage to actual enemies . She is over killing the dead enemies and wasting her damage . Firefly and dhil are not doing that
@@iamhappyno1 oh I see
Keep in mind, FF weakness implant is different from SW, that fire weakness is only there to break, the element resistance is still there. She is basically bruteforcing enemies this comparison.
Bro!!! The différence beetween DHIL and Acheron team mate vs Firefly is just unbeliveable!!! Look your Sparkle in front of Ruan mei and Trialbliezer! U give DDD to her ??? Why! Ruan mei have not her lightcone when sparkle have her! And FF still arrive to make the same Time… she is probably better with her E2
Thanks for the showcase, Also did Firefly technique bug or something? Isn't It's suppose to reduced enemies toughness bar?
Yep first wave ff tech should dmge and deplete toughness
Acheron tech bugged too coz it overlapped with pela def reduce
@@lurkera7351 its not a bug. Private servers program techniques to proc at the same time when entering combat. So in reality, this wont be happening.
@@AristineSilvanus wouldn’t this mean that Acheron has consistently been over performing on private servers in a way that’s impossible on Live?
@@JohnDoe-si4eg yes, Acheron was getting benefit from this bug, while FF was loosing the effect of her technique.
the effect of firefly's technique is absolutely huge too
she has big disadvantage on enemies that either her tech doesn't work or aren't fire weak
e2 mitigates it a bit but still
7:13 if you wait the enemy to act first, u probably can get HTB ult first, then FF ult after that so that turn is not a waste of damage, or you just can use skill on gallagher so he can ult in the first turn and break the enemies so HTB can her ult. you have so much skill point anyway.
A shame Jingliu wasn't included but good comparison 👍
Bc Jingliu isn't that strong
@@DarkBlade__ right, because she wasn't the top dps till now...what are you saying?
@@thedaggerist5313 i ve both of them and good stats with LC, Hyper Carry teams and im srry but Jingliu is overrated af ^^
@@DarkBlade__ well that's your own perception because it has already been demonstrated she's not.
@@thedaggerist5313since sparkle Dihl was simply better tho still at equal level at E0
But E2 vs E2 dihl is straight up better
As a Danheng IL main, I’m so proud of him that he can still be a good hypercarry dps despite being a very old dps among those new chars with the self apply or ignore weakness mechanisms 🥹❤️
yup me too my boy kicking strong I mean even if he didn't I would still use him !
Hu Tao of hsr
@@Tam-lv1mp*Xiao
Is it me or does HYV gives zero f about hsr leaks as opposed to their other games? Maybe this is free advertising for them.
seems so, ive seen so many people on yt doing this so I just followed lol.
Cool video, still I think that it’s too biased as a showcase between these different teams. The main reason is obviously that all the enemy had Imaginary weakness, so IL had no problem, while both firefly and Acheron had to deal with the 20% dmg decrease from not matching weakness type. Maybe a stage with a boss with lightning, fire and imaginary weakness would be better, or even a stage where the enemy doesn’t have these three types of weakness. (The argument that firefly would have an edge in the situation the enemy’s weakness type doesn’t match to either dps’ is irrelevant because all firefly can do is implant fire weakness, meaning the 20% dmg decrease from not matching weakness type is still there)
the reason it was kinda fine is that ff implants, and acheron gets stacks when bugs are killed. There wasn't a single boss fits all kind of thing for these 3 and I don't have too much time rn to fight multiple bosses in one video.
also just looked it up, weakness implant does remove the 20% dmg resist
How tf that danil reach 88% / 250%
It looks unreal
Mine only 78 / 203 and its really hard to reach with danil
And how tf that Acheron Reach 70% / 291%
Mine only 39% / 272%
Those relic sets is unbelievable.
I thought u were just talking about their stats in battle but yeah ur right those relics are not real at all. Nobody will ever have godlike stats like this.
Bro, my DHIL is 79/159, what set are you using 😳
what the other guy said. this is a concept showcase, all of them are built with pretty godlike pieces to compare. but because theyre all at a godlike level, theyre all "equal" in terms of stats.
Me with 81/120 🫠
(91/263 with Sparkle buffs)
is that stat even achievable? 88/250 or 71/291, never in my life i see this kind of stats with only being e2s1.
7:39 Idk , i maybe wrong but when ff slash break enemies first then the explosion she deal both break damage and super break damage while if you break the enemies in the explosion only break damge for her
Not too sure myself. I think it does superbreak damage regardless unless you are breaking the toughness bar exactly.
After compare the break damage between the fire robot and the horse ,her damage sure is double if you break the right time , it doesn't affect that much cause it only in that moment but if someone try 0 cc it can be important
Yes, her enhanced skill has 2 phase: a slash and a burst (you can see in her animation). If you break with the slash, the burst will cause superbreak. However, if you break with the burst, you won’t get the superbreak.
The thing that makes ff on one of the top dps is her speed, which allows her to torture enemies constantly
Why not put ruan mei to Danil team?
Yeah she's way stronger than tingyun
This is E2 DHIL. Ulting for him means extra turns.
@@AristineSilvanusThus Ruan Mei becomes more favourable for her uptime.
The frames where you can see Firefly locking in make up the flair so much
If you change Tingyun with Ruan Mei, result will much better
I can't wait to get Firefly, she'll be my first powerhouse DPS on my roster, whilst I have JingLiu, she doesn't hit into the 100K's for me. I don't have DanIL or Acheron.
Hmm what lc are u using?
@@isokenosahon6562 I have her signature LC, ice relics, decent crit, Bronya to help her. She just does around 50-60K for me against groups who are weak to ice.
Jingliu is a powerhouse dps, ur probably just building her wrong or not investing. I constantly hit 200k+ ults and I dont even have signature light cone
Do you have pela in your JL team ? If no, I recommend trying her out, she makes a huge difference.
@@Notmayonez I got an E6 pela but who hasn't. I'll try her out on the team next time.
This is crazy. Acheron and dhil has way too much investment in their relics but firefly is not. 300 BE and 151 speed? This is like bare minimum lol.
almost as if break damage isn't braindead and the hyperbloom of hsr or anything like that...!!!
@@owowonn Fr 😂
Wym???? 300 BE, 151 spd, with 2,8k atk is a bare minimum????
@@rezaabiyoso1855 Yeah. If u really know how these characters and relics value works. FUN FACT: you can easily reach that 300BE threshold with sig LC, sig relic, traces, sig planar with ZERO BE substats. Does acheron can reach those abnormally high crit ratio with zero crit substats? Oh hell nah.
2800 is normal since you are running these mainstat atk%, speed, atk%, BE. Your seele can even reach 3000k attack with crit body, speed, dmg%, atk% mainstat. That 2800 atk is mid considering you have two atk% mainstat
151 speed, you think this is impressive. Considering that ff only really needs spd and be, that pretty mid. Even my supports have more optimize speedstats than this lmao.
TLDR if you dont understand. Those ff relics value is equivalent to a 58/164 crit ratio acheron.
Let that sink in
@@fartfacedrenzyy513I like how you speak utter nonsense with complete confidence lol
This brother right here has the most relatable ruan mei build but apart from that every single character is busted. Icl this guy's acc is stacked
These damage numbers made me second guess if I cut too many corners on what I consider acceptable relics lol.
@@neurofiedyamato8763ong💀🙏
if you played better and saved dhil's ult at 3:03 after bringing him up via sparkle, it'll be 3EBA ULT 3EBA instead, then he could have easily 0 cycled that, well compared to the other two braindead dps i cant really blame common folks for not playing him right
All 3 of them have advantages in those showcase. The Swarm and the Elite have Imaginary Weakness, The small swarms can apply debuffs for Acheron when they die and Firefly is the only one can apply weakness. And e2 of all of them really crazy :v
for dh il and Acheron it's because the enemy favours them but for firefly it's her kit you are comparing. Wouldn't say it 'gives her a advantage' it's her own kit
If he replace Gallagher with another harmony midfly wont stand a chance against Acheron.
Look at those stats
88/250 3.5k DHIL
169 268 sparkle @@
70/291 4.4k acheron
How do I achieve this
Does anyone achieved this kinds of statline, teach me your secrets please. And please dont tell me its luck, I have none of those.
You're not meant to. This is mainly a theory concept xd
@@GachaKricis Makes sense, but damn my Sparkle who I think is well built is 147 Spd, 225 CD
@@GachaKricis Oh I see, that makes me feel a little bit better about my acheron I guess. Mine deals like potato damage compared to yours.
@@MissPinkElfy Ah my real acheron build on main server is only like 70 cr 230 cd. nothing extreme lol. 2 months of farming and you can get any character to good stats.
The thing is, for the best experience, ruan mei is wanted for firefly and sparkle for dhil but acheron doesn't really have a dedicated limited support (until jiaoqiu ofc) but then again her ln is also way too busted instead so it's fair between all of them for f2ps and low spenders
@@ghouldiablo jiaoqiu is still not good if you haven't seen leaks. Its the most skippable new character in the game right now.
@@GachaKricis did he get nerfed? Cuz it's been a week or so since I last saw his kit
@@ghouldiablo he got less vuln for changing his burn to dot. Pretty much just sucks for acheron now. Def shred would still give a better dmg yield than him and we just got his final version that keeps him like that.
even pokke can't relate to these builds
LOL. You're not meant to relate to them because they're more concept focused. Everyone has broken gear so everyone is equal type of shenanigans for this comparison.
How will i have fun if no funky number
@@GachaKricis with this archeron 70 to 290 crit ratio... and mine with 48 to 230... and i considered my archeron to be good... oh well
@@IamTheNayoit’s better to have high crit rate on Acheron rather than high crit damage doing the math. Missing a single crit on your ult is quite more detrimental than you think
Best waifu vs kitchen finder vs that one quite kid whos somehow powerful
"best waifu" and its just the 299th most basic and generic cardboard cutout anime girl ever
@@owowonnhe called dhil the best waifu. He is not a girl
@@iamhappyno1 that sounds more reasonable then.
@@owowonn which is according to you 199th most basic husbando (since waifu are more) and generic cardboard cutout anime boy ever
@@iamhappyno1 ew…dont ever associate dhil with those mid waifu bait hoes again
dont forget that while DHIL and Acheron E2 is a major power spike (DHIL e2 is like 58% DPS increase and Acheron 33%)
I dont think Firefly one is that high, and im pretty sure her sig LC is not that good compared to the S5 Aeon
They changed her kit to make aeon way worse than her signature lol
@@gym4379 the dmg difference its still kinda low tbh i dont think her lc is worthy 66-80 pulls is better pick e1 or ruan mei if you dont have her besides lingsha that probably gonna be gallagher powercreep
@@zerk343 well the dmg difference is there more like 20% but visually it's almost the same clears that why it looks like a small difference but yeah better going for E1 if aiming for e2
@@zerk343 her sig is at least 20% stronger than herta shop lc, not counting spd debuff
its 17% counting all things. Stop talking out of your ass will you.
The difference also comes to the team. While Acheron and DHIL are hypercarries, Firefly is not. In fact she makes everyone in the team deal more dmg since every character can be a dps in a super break team.
Still very good performance on all 3 dps, all 3 are competitive and if you have the free Ratio and E0 Bronya selector + pela/jiaoqiu depending if your main team is Acheron, you will also have a secondary team.
That Ratio was too goated I'm afraid, it's too good with pela and bronya which you can get over time, and even without them, bronya topaz aventurine all work with him. I like how the video is not even about him and I'm here glazing him, lmao.
The good thing with firefly that she has multiple turns specially when you get her to E2, she does a lot of damage in total
Yeah a dream scenario of skill/basic > break/kill > skill/basic > burst > skill > break/kill > skill sounds pretty fun to pull off
Interesting run but this Shows without Imaginary weakness DHIL is not keeping up.
Also I'm surprised how close it was with FF and Acheron but that being said ya made a few misplays with FF and her team that gave you trouble at the end there.
Yeah I gave these like 3 runs each at best. Def not perfect runs and I haven't bothered going into the insanly nitty gritty part of rotations to make her absolutely perfect. Her doing pretty good despite that says a lot though.
@@GachaKricis ya I completely agree ya can't be here all day but it definitely did her a little bit dirty. But that being said I think Acheron and FF are = one is better at 1/2 and the other with 2+ but in the end its so close that they end up with the same Cycles anyway...
They could have used mei instead of tingyun in DHIl run tbh....
@@sorashizen5130 imo tingyun was better because he'd get more ults off, which meant more turns.
@@GachaKricis she boosts damage more than tingyun, even if tingyun gives more ults that only compensate for her giving little damage boost, so i rather have overall more buff than needing to use more skills after his ult to do more damage, then again this is E2, at E0 mei is still way better
Thank you for the showcase... that's truly economic build indeed XD. I can't afford to lose her again, NO!! not again. So regardless her dmg i still pull for her
Honestly dhil just need one more support that increases an ally's damage depending on their skillls consumed, and also increases their basic attack, basically we need a propagation path character in the game.
50% of your description is literally Sparkle.
Her passive grants a ramping DMG bonus based on SP consumed.
@@reizshfelonia6471 yeah and sparkle overlaps some aspects of bronya as well.
In the future of course they're be more characters that takes inspo from simulated universe blessings such as the propagation path.
I hate it when they make sparkle skill from 2 turn to 1 turn. If you use Dhil E2, you got damage loss cus buff skill from sparkle just 1 turn. Its better to pair Dhil E2 with Bronya E6.
You played DHIL and Acheron well but the FF E2 optimization was not it. Also if the bosses were different resistances the results would obv be different, would love to see those as well.
What MoC is this? Why do the enemies here feel like they are made of paper lol. Current MoC has goddamn tanks lol, the robot duo are so spongy.
its not any moc, just random mobs with imaginary weakness at lvl 95, and they feel squishy because these guys are e2 with pretty insane stats in their best teams (to my knowledge).
@@GachaKricis ah I see, MoC has had insane hp inflation so I was surprised.
@@GachaKricisff stat seem normal tho ? For speed she just need new relic spd boots and ruanmei to get to her spd break points so it no point giving her 151 base spd since it go to a waste
btw im pretty sure it has been tested before, ruan mei + dhil is better than tingyun + dhil
Imo ff is a little bit better than acheron. Here are the reasons-
1. FF is universal where u wont be using sw with acheron if she's e2. This causes her to loss her universality. Though still she does pretty big dmg.
2.FF has still window to improve. As of now only Htb can provide super break buff. But in future new harmony super break buffer will come. And im pretty sure he/she will skyrocket ff dmg to another lvl. Also new 5* fire abundance coming in 2.5, that healer might buff break effect team(ff buff)
3. FF is more F2p friendly. U can run su lc with her and she will do the same dmg.
4. Her super break dmg is a bit higher than acheron ult
but on the other side is much easier for the enemies to counter break dps, and we will see in pure fiction at least with E2 and/or himeko she could do some things
I’m disagree with the 4th point, total super break dmg from FF in 1st wave did sth like ~900k in total while Archeron single ult reach 1mil (in this video)
@@ultrakhaicraft2594 to be fair acheron Ult goes once while firefly has multiple turns
@@asoret u can apply fire weakness with ff ult and it's universal. Even if an enemy has fire resistance, she will apply fire weakness and can do big super break DMG. Ff is not made for pf btw. She's very good for moc and apocalyptic shadow.
@@ultrakhaicraft2594 both of them has almost similar DMG. But if u consider universality ff is slight better. Ofc against electro weakness enemy Acheron does more dmg
Can u show ur build? Like how did u get almost 300 crit damage and 70 crit rate how's that possible?
Why not run Bronya on Firefly's team instead of Gallagher?
Her E1 makes it viable doesnt it?
All the teams have sustain, he would attempt a 0 cycle clear if that was the intention
@@WhiteHairSupremacy Lunae and Acheron have a good chance of dying without it.
Firefly doesn't.
@@arcadius3257 They all deal with the same rng except Firefly is easier to manage
@@WhiteHairSupremacy They dont because Firefly breaks enemies and Ruan Mei prolongs it.
So long as you can break or kill the enemy a sustainer is just a waste of a team slot.
DMG boost, crit dmg boost are both useless, the only thing useful about bronya is her action fastforward and attack buff, but Honestly you're better off using Asta or Hanya.
*These 3 have succeeded 120% of their damage potential*
funny how nobody talks about jingliu no more, just proves that she always was mid and overhyped
She can still compete, its just that the flashy high cost high damage units appear better even though they cost more skill points and turns to deal damage which justifies their damage. Like, obviously acheron ult will appear better but then you see a several turn downtime which justifies that damage. Its same with jingliu. She can do that 1 million acheron does in her entire spectral transmigration form, it just appears like less since you're doing 200-300ks each hit
As many tc or meta cucks knew, even back then she was less damage than DHIL but far friendlier on investment, she reached a lot of breakpoints and if you didn’t do the tingyun speed boost shit with DHIL she kinda just was better for 0 cycling. Now Sparkle is just nuts so
She still a monster if you know how to use her
@@zlPoplzhe not showing her here is because he showing best dps at e2 and dhil e2 dmg output is a little higher than jingliu e6 so yea she underwhelming compared with e2 but if it e0 she is better than dhil.
Non of the new supports suits her, while characters like Seele and DHIL gets Sparkle. Her self buff in itself is a blessing and a curse. Free crit value means at lower investment she’s great even without sparkle in your account, but the better your relic gets and if you have sparkle or Robin for other dps, crit starts to get diminishing returns.
Idk how your Acheron does more damage, I have crit stats from LC and she STILL does little damage for me
Support's planar?????
Ok yall didnt notice their build ??? WHAT IS THAT 70/290????
I’ve put at least 5k trailblaze power into pioneer and I can’t get past 68/188 😢
@@justicejustus77 fr i used like 6k for 55/227
One thing to keep in mind is they all were enemies weakness except for firefly.
Yep alot of people don't understand that BH and FF weakness implant does not reduce element resistance like SW. Meaning their dmg is butchered and is pretty much bruteforcing.
@@SpedRockt which enough for me, I just need the brute force to feel the real destruction 😂. Despite the number.
nah that was an easy 0 cycle with dhil if you just advanced him with sparkle attacked and then used the ult
I just realized these runs had a lot of skill issue
Dhil run: he could've used sparkle first then 3ba ult 3ba for a 0 cycle
Acheron run: e2s1 bronya with perfect speed tuning is a lot better than sparkle
Firefly run: they didn't utilize e2 properly and lost out on extra turns
Runs could be polished more for a better showcase
Thanks for your time
How's it possible to have 70 crit and almost 300 crit damage? Did you do crit damage all? Like how? Can u please show it?
Dhil ❤️
great run man, but there is a little miss play in 2nd phase on firefly run, so actually u can another turn by killing the already broken elite then after that go after the swarm little minion to kill it after fire implant and get another turn and after that go the swarm boss to implant to maximize her e2
Tbh, all them finish in 1 cycle, quite surprisiing cos i tot e2 acheron will 0 cycle this as she is the best dps so far
Thank you my goat
Bro your acheron build is insane how is that possible
the thing with acheron is that she has everything you could ever want from a dps a ult that's easy to get huge single and aoe damage and the ult is a massive middle finger to anyone not on your team
There is this, and then you have my Welt hypercarry-
Well i guess prydween put DHIl on T0.5 tier on MoC for a good reason..
Well i got him e2s1 and sparkle as well so this absolutly a valid comparassion
Acheron e2 with sparkle is better lol
my eyes are on Dan Heng's dragon mustache lmao, for some reason its gone
IL > Acheron > FF, in E2
E2 FF is the strongest dps in the game btw
How do you have those stats 😮can you show the artefacts too?
Yeah is like impossible to reach 4400 attack and crit rate at 70% and crit damage almost 300% which is I never reach.
70 crit rate??? 291 crit dame????
Well the artifacts on the video seems to be this broken and unrealistic to show the maximum potential of the characters but yeah I agree that seeing this is crazy
@@PolarisOwO look at the id screen, he is on private server, which means unrealistic broken relic set
@@Avrgpantheonenjoyer That is what I tried to say, i could not explain it in That way but relicd got maximum damage value as possible to compare characters as their maximum possible damage (i think thats fair since trying to balance relics while the characters build different)
I’m more impressed by your build than anything else. How the hell did you do that
its test run
It's customised build . Unrealistic builds
are those stats even achievable
Not unless you're lucky. This is a theory concept and just a fun video comparing the 3. My other videos have more realistic relics after a couple months of grinding.
Yooo dhil same cycle clear as acheron and that dmg yooo he is still my boy hypercarry
dhil>
Acheron>>
PeakFly >>>
Sparkle>
Enemies has imaginary weakness on them so not accurate actually
@@battlerofficial526 dhil could have done 0 cycles if not for the author's mistake, while acheron and firefly weren't even close to 0 cycles, so dhil>
It is almost impossible to get such stats on DHIL , private server I'm guessing.
Firefly is so much better than these two, Acheron was absurdly shilled by insect debuffs, broken build also dhill with fully elemental advantage, but Firefly did as much as them with worse build and no elemental advantage (natural)
Dont get me wrong, but just look the video... its okay to accept Firefly is the top dps rn, not the Emanator pre Jiaoqiu, and yet and after that, Firefly gonna be the most powerful in lower investment, she the cheapest along side boothill
How you get 300% BE on firefly man, my firefly stuck with 200% with LC also that attack stat is impressive
Atk shoes and good rolls. On the main server I'm on 200% BE with fall of aeon. Had around 3k resin from reserves and fuel. Enough resin and theoretically everything is possible.