While I agree, this strikes me as a bit of "take what you can get" moment. Let's be real: The most common use, by far, for the USB-C connector is just power delivery. While the connector is aging (and IMO not as nice as Lightning), an iPhone with USB-C would instantly mean that I could plug my MacBook Pro's brick, or my Nintendo Switch brick into my phone in a pinch and juice it up. The Lightning connector has increasingly become the odd-connector-out among my devices, and it's getting correspondingly increasingly annoying to accommodate.
For sure, the best part of USB C is the universal charging compatibility. I now only wish they improved their naming schemes and was better with data transfer speeds as well (making it more clear).
This! I don't get the "USB-C is such a mess" hysteria. It's fine! Most of the times its demonstrably fine. If you have a special usecase where you need a thunderbolt cable, then you can get your branded Apple cable and be fine.
Also, for all the talk of data this and that, they can pretty much all transfer data at lightning speeds or above. And with USB 4, if you need that ultra fast data transfer and or video output, without the ultra high Thunderbolt price tag, there you go! I Oh and those Androids with proprietary fast charging usually still charge faster than an iPhone when using a standard USB C PD cable.
USB-C port on my Windows Laptop is also my display for external monitor as it bypass the iGPU, it's direct to the NVDA discrete GPU. You are right about having that weird cable. I wish I could just have a bunch of USB-C cables and be done with USB-A and Lightning.
Personally, the only things I actually use lightning for are my AirPods (regular, Pro and Max) and my Magic Trackpad, none of which require charging particularly frequently. I use wireless charging for my iPhone, MagSafe for my MacBook and the Apple Watch's own charger for it. Really the only thing I actually use USB-C to charge on a regular basis is my iPad. So for me, the advantage of USB-C in power delivery isn't on the power receiving end, it's on the power giving end, because I can plug any of my cables (MagSafe, Lightning, USB-C, Apple Watch charger, USB micro-b...) into either any of my USB-C power bricks, or my MacBook, and charge the appropriate device.
The main reason I don't buy the "what about new connectors" thing, mostly because for the past decade it doesn't look like anyone's actually been working on it. Apple argued that this might mean that they can't put a better connector on in future, but if there's some supposed replacement for Lightning that Apple would be prevented from producing by this new regulation, where has it been for the past decade? The Lightning form factor dates from 2012.
@@jansix4287 No, USB-C was not developed by Apple. Apple is a member of USB-IF, but that's it. Not only did they not develop USB-C, they argued to USB-IF that it should have been smaller.
the regulation doesn't prevent multiple connectors though, so you can start with larger devices like Tablets and Laptops, which can have the USB-C plus the new connector, and if your new connector is better adoption will rise, then you can propose the new connector to be the next standard.
@@himagainstill Be fair, I do agree that USB-C are unnecessarily large due to, just like other USB form factors, it's shielded male connector. A form factor similar to the current lightning connector but with more receptacles can achieve the same functionality as the current USB-C connector, while using less space on the female side. More importantly, due to the current shielded male connector design of USBs, the female connectors always have a "center" piece that can be easily broken(usually by forcing unwanted object into the port). And repairing such would always be much harder than simply replacing the cable.
Hi guys, myslf a big Apple fan and decades on macOS and iOS. Now honestly when i heard from Apple that they didn't was so happy about the new law in Europe i had to shake my head. Bcs myself are waiting since years that i finally can get an iphone with a usbC port in my hands. My MacBook Pro has it, my iPad has it but when i travel i always have to hsve my lightning cable or at least an ausbc to lightning adapter with me. I think its a joke from apple to complain about this new law in Europe now bcs the already are working with usbC port on theire other devices. And like Richi said, just get a usbC thunderbolt4 cable and everything is fine. I dont buy either that this caple is higher in price bcs you need actually only one of those in the future instead of usbC, lightning and mybe a usbC thunderbolt 4. or help me, what i‘m missing here? Cheers from Switzerland
I’m not a big fan of the EU, but this is one of the moments I agree with its actions. Apple has had Lightning for a decade. If they wanted to make it the new standard, they could have. They instead made it proprietary and then essentially stopped developing it beyond 3.0 to accommodate faster charging and data speeds, resulting in iPads to necessarily switch to USB-C. Then they start to introduce all these amazing ProRes video stuff on the iPhone, but stubbornly refuse to switch to a faster port. At this point, Apple is insufferable regarding Lightning, which is why I’ve been committed since 2020 to not invest in anything with a Lightning port. The Lightning port must die, even if some future USB-D will look like it. Who knows how long that will take.
No, they couldn't have made it the new standard, they could have licensed it but USB-C was on the way. They knew this as they contributed the largest group of engineers outside of Intel. They should have switched iPhone Pros to USB-C already because of video transfer so that should happen but take non-Pro iPhones portless like Watch - MagSafe + local wireless/optical. The EU forcing devices to have a dated USB-C connector is nonsense - as usual.
Every USB-C cable and charger are compatible with each other, even if not at the fastest speeds. There are hundreds of millions of people in the world who cannot afford the highest spec phones with highest speed chargers etc. At least it all works.
The USB-C standard includes PD, so any brick with USB PD compliance will charge any device, up to 65W currently and going forward 100W and above. There is also provision for the decision to be reviewed every 5 years, to ensure that USB-C is still the best way to go forward, if there is a better standard out there, it can replace USB-C after a certain date (E.g. USB-C is the standard now, but in 2028, they might review and say, from 2030 on it will be SuperConnector(tm)... I use a single, smalll 65W GAN charger with 3 USB-C and 1 USB-A port. I have a USB-C Lighting, USB-C Apple Watch Puck and an USB-C cable, plus a USB-A - microUSB for my torch and camera. The Lightning is for my iPhone and AirPods, the puck is for the watch, the USB-C is for everything else I have, apart from my torch and my 2016 camera. The other thing is, the EU told the industry in 2010 to sort their own house out, sort out a standard and stick with it, that didn't happen, so they did it for them.
I do not agree with Rene's conflation of the web standard consortium's mis-adoption of HTML rendering engines with the EU's adoption of the engineering spec for USB-C. They're different animals. Further, has anyone mentioned that USB-C systems have their spring portion inside the cable, not the device. It is much easier and cheaper to replace a cable when the spring fails.
@@JJohnson313 Hmm. I agree with the data transfer conundrum, but charging devices will be *way* better. Apple suffers from hubris, thinking they're better than everybody else. Happy to see them get chastened a bit. I like Apple products as well.
@@paulbarnett227 The problem is the government invents nothing and should dictate nothing. If Europeans don't buy iPhones with Lightning, the problem will fix itself. But so far, the free market doesn't care. The EU's track record is ZILCH. This is just a flex and planting the seeds for a future tax. Apple makes more profit than some entire countries in the EU and they are going for a piece of it. You go ahead and let the government create great tech rules but for me, no Fing way.
@@TheThaiLife I have no problem with requiring USB-C connectors on phones. I already have lots of USB-C cables I can share between PCs, Macs, iPad Pros, and non-iPhone phones.
@@JBoy340a What if China wants us all to use USB-A? There are by far the most cables for that out there. What is to say Africa wants us to use mini-USB? You honestly don't see a problem with a government dictating your tech? Do you own a badass Soviet vehicle? See my point?
5:00 - No, that does *NOT* mean you only have to travel with one type of plug. What you just said here can easily be missunderstood as one individual cable, which is not true as wire gage can be thiner than required to carry power like 100W, some USB-C plugs are missing data lanes, some are only wired for audio. The shape of the connector does not mean the same type of plug. As soon as just one contact is changed, that's a completely different plug.
While I agree with the sentiment, the vast majority of users only use their connectors to charge their devices and, once in a blue moon, transfer some photos. USBC is not perfect but it is the standard everyone agreed to.
EU law only mandates charging form factor of charging plugs and it will change if technology advances. It is a small step forward IMO. Think how convenient it will be if all countries use one type of power plug.
Yes, but multinational conglomerates and practicality won't allow for that to be easily implemented. Travels must use adapters and power converters or borrow appliances locally. Doubt we'd ever get a global 110 or 220 standard barring a catastrophic, planet-wide event or a new Napoleon who successfully conquers every nation. Heck, even NTSC vs PAL and SECAM would likely not be unified.
yea it's pretty much the same idea as our power outlets. The charger is just an extension of that. I'm no fan of the EU, but they got it right this time.
This is all under the assumption that Apple will ship it's devices with type C outside of Europe. They are already shipping iPhone 14s with physical Sims outside of N. America while only we get the eSIM iPhones. They might do the same in the Americas to keep that lightening money rolling in.
I don’t believe there’s a world where the cost of producing 2 models of iPhone with different ports is significantly lower than the amount of money Apple gets through lightning.
I want the style of the lightning port but all the functionality of USB-C. But at this point it would just make things more complicated. And Apple would get all the royalties so, that's not going to happen.
I hate the EU. They constantly got to dictate and people wonder why the U.K. voted to leave this bloc. It should have remained solely a trading bloc but it grew into a political monster.
@@Michal_Sobczyk Keep coping lol. Led's don't flicker and also don't damage eyesight, i don't have anything else. Meanwhile lightbulbs just waste energy like crazy. If you want wasteful lamps you can still get hallogene bulbs. And we need the eu, and I really hope they will become a superpower with a unified army, more governmental power and federal states one day, as a rival to china and the failing US. Because otherwise we're doomed.
Apple’s iPhone lightning implementation is stuck on usb2.0 speeds. Apple adopted usb-c on its macs and iPads so it’s unclear why iPhone is still lightning. I for one will be happy when I no longer need to bring two cables on vacation, a usb-c for almost everything, and lightning only for iPhone/AirPods. It’s time to abandon lightning and to move on.
Sorry Rene, but this sounded like a really stereotypical thing for a guy from US to focus on :D In the EU we usually don’t worry about lost opportunnities, but about making life easier for the consimer. the reality is that gdpr forced entire industries to behave differently in the eu, it forced google’s hand, apple’s hand and facebook’s hand. even small companies now legally have to offer the ability to delete your data. The companies have to prove where data is hosted and openly state the tracking methods they use. Gdpr was a success, apart from having a loophole that allows for dark UX practices in cookie windows. While i love lightning, having a single simple cable that works with everything will make consumers everyday easier, and thats the only thing that matters.
The power delivery and transfer speeds could be solved by simply printing the standard tier on the actual cable. Most cables for industry work do. Apple could do what they did with Thunderbolt 3 and simply used the USB-C port for a Lightning 2, thereby establishing two different tiers and data transfer speed and power delivery. Then consumers are more likely to adopt awareness of the branded tiers.
Despite the issues with USB-C, it still is a pretty solid standard and literally every device I have other than my iPhone uses it. All of the new EVs have USB-C ports. When I remodeled my house this past year, I had USB-C in the wall outlets. Future proofing here. Overall, it works well, and it's not nearly as painful as having to bring along lightning ports. Granted, I charge my iPhone 95% of the time with a MagSafe charger on my nightstand, or the clamshell duo Apple charger when I travel, but there are a few times when I have a rental car or I'm on a plane when a cable still makes sense. I actually wish TVs would move to USB-C and we could ditch HDMI!
Even my Explorer ST has a USB-C port. That's what I use for my Apple Car Play. USB-C to Lightning. I just want everything to be USB-C, no more Micro-USB nor lightning.
Right? I mean even in the Apple ecosystem, at this point only the AirPods and iPhone use Lightning, basically every other Apple device minus the newer MacBooks and such on MagSafe (which I know also offer USB-C charging) have USB-C.
I'm very much for it because it's a pain to have to remember to bring special cables (and spares) for the iPads and iPhones in the family, each one being unnecessarily expensive and not very reliable to start with. There's no technical reason for Lightning, I think we can all agree. I'm sure Apple will try to somehow proprietize USB-C now to extract money from its users via periphery manufacturers, but your point about having to bring "the" power brick is moot. You need to bring "a" power brick, and you can choose any of the thousand available ones. You can have a charging brick with 6 ports. You can have one with wireless charging for your iWatch. You can have one that's light and expensive for travel, or one that's heavier and cheaper for home. You can have a charger that's also a power bank. You can borrow any charger and have it charge any of your devices. That's the point, _not_ having to bring _the_ charger. It's not much different from when EU forced phone manufacturers to use USB instead of proprietary plugs back in the dumbphone era. It wasn't perfect, MicroUSB is still very bad, but it was certainly an improvement.
Let's face it: _Apple is _*_NOT_*_ going to implement on the iPhone 15 the multiple standard USB Type C port found on its MacBook Air and MacBook Pro laptops_ . It's far more likely the USB Type C port will be the same as the one found on the current iPad Air and iPad Mini models: up to circa 40 watts initial charging rate per USB-IF Power Delivery 3.0 standard and Thunderbolt 3/USB Certified 10 Gbps data transfer speeds.
USB 4 (Thunderbolt) I/O controllers take more power than USB 3 controllers, as do USB 3 controllers take more power than USB 2 controllers, and they also cost more, that's why some Android phones still ship with USB-C which still only supports USB 2.0, the same as lightning.
I'm sorry what is your problem exactly? I watched the entire video and all I heard was whining and rambling about easily fixable issues. And a few seconds of "but all my Lightning stuff!" I guess it's about that in the end. Don't worry, Apple will come up with a dongle. It's what they do.
One thing - compare prices of USB C and Lightning. Now look which functionality USB C you can buy for the same price. You may see plug allowing to charge AND stream - not like that 3$ you mentioned (whilst lightning costs 20...)
Why don't they regulate cable specs instead? such as HDMI's horrible and frequently misleading nomenclature. The lightning port is a standard of it's own, it makes no sense to force them to change.
I have my iPad Mini and iPhone on my bedside table. I have to have 2 different cables to charge them both. I have several Apple devices and all but the iPhone and wireless charger use USB-C. It's absurd to me that my iPhone is the only Apple device that needs the Lightning connector.
You imagine they pull regional iPhone type. USB-C in EU and Lightning in US. For the people that say this will not happen. They already have different hardware in China
Nah, Apple will do their own thing. When the EU mandated that phone chargers must be USB Micro-B, Apple just incorporated the fine as a cost of doing business in the EU and carried on with Lightning.
USB C regulation is only for smartphones and not laptop. As laptops from HP and ASUS might use propriety based chargers not USB C. So EU rules doesn't make sense as they say they will reduce cables but we will still have laptop charger, magsafe charger and USB C and one more thing making USB C for every laptop is not possible.
It was mentioned that AirPods may not be covered, in fact they are part of one of the main groups already defined, see list below. The way EU regulations work (having dealt with them for 30+ years) is not related to key issues such as the technical aspects of 'nerds' or even the educated consumer, in this case the main issue was environmental savings. So your points are interesting but from a EU perspective not really that relevant to them (sorry about that), many people in my profession are not so keen on what the EU is doing as it will mean no innovation any time soon and the environmental savings will in fact not be as large as the EU commission is predicting, it will also lead to issues over cheap cables that may comply with the regulations but indirectly (due to quality) may result in quality issues to the main item (phone, tablet) . My aim with this comment was really to clarify you uncertainty over AirPods being included, so I hope this helps. The new requirement will cover a range of portable electronics, according to the EU, including: - mobile phones - tablets - e-readers - mice and keyboards - GPS (global positioning system) devices - - digital cameras - handheld videogame consoles - portable speakers
Apple doesn't even use lightning on all of its devices so apple ecosystem users don't just have to use lightning but have to use USB as well, that's just silly imo
@@daviddaaannggg it doesnt need to be the exact same connector but the general shape of the lightning plug is just more durable and solid USB-C slots still have this tongue inside the port wich can easily break
@@Nystoke Garbage. I have had several devices that use USB-C and have yet to break on me. I usually have devices on me when I am doing work around the car, home, and when I worked in a warehouse in the past. I have had no durability issues.
Watch out! The EU plans to standardise wireless charging next which could well mean the end of MagSafe. And while MagSafe supports Qi charging (weirdly), no Android phone is going to be able to use MagSafe charging stands without magnets.
Your point is very valid. USB C cables are confusing, to the point where I have to look up a manufacturer’s specs before I truly know what power/data speeds it can handle. I just want a USB C iPhone and AirPods 😅
USB D is just an april fools joke. Not far from the arguments you've put down here. They made it mandatory, because making it optional did not help to cover all the companies. Standardization is a way forward. Imagine you would have a different pump nozzle for every car brand and they would randomly change it after 10 or so years. What about wheels, tires, what about an electrical outlet and appliances. 99% of the market chose USB C as their standard, until we get something better (and it isn't USB D as of now). Furthermore, all small electronics should be covered by the regulation, including headphones. I agree, they should keep closer eye on the real implementation, like with the cookies, this is however already implemented and used. it has quite broad compatibility, at least for charging, that this is targeted to. Of course even charging is not as universal as it cold be, I expect that the manufacturers will step up their game and not make device like my thinkpad 2021 that can't charge itself using samsung's 45W brick.
Just take out the charging port and use that extra real estate for battery. I hope they take away the SIM tray for international iPhones so they can put that real estate to use too.
It looks as if the whole video was about an old man complaining for adopting a better standard and losing money that was invested in a closed ecosystem like apple. You should have been ramping to apple for not adopting type c on iPhone as they did years ago for Mac n ipad pros. And what you call a decade old plug, Android manufacturers have been giving type c since that time. It's been standard and an open ecosystem which by far only hurts apples business only about the MFI chips. Another knowledge for you is earphones can be charged wirelessly as well considering the amount of money youtubers spend for showing off stuff which is adopted by other after 1 or 2 or 3 years later. I may be critising much but this is the truth and you should have said it so as well. Hope you agree 👍
One of the main reasons I don't own an Apple is because all my devices use type C cable. And that phone cost more then 20 000. And comes with no charger. That's daylight robbery.
Usb-c ports are problematic. They break easily. I never had problem on iphones lightning ports to break, the female port on the phone. But on android phones they break after a year or two. Especially if you use wired headphones daily.
well, that is a broad statement, I may well be tempting fate now so if I have to get a repair done but that's on me. Yes, I have had to have a USB replacement on an android phone, not on a USBC one though, but not on my S7 (used for 3 years) or my S10plus which I still use. I have however had to replace a power connection on a laptop. I am not convinced by this "on android phones they break after a year or two" and I have always used wired headphones every day, so, come on, that may be based on your experience but not mine or anyone else I know. Oh, and I am typing this through my macstudio so not an apple hater on the whole.
On a tangential point: I do so wish tech reporters would actually read the EU legislation before commenting. There's been so much fud going about. I also think it's very sad to see, particularly American, tech pundits, declare as fact, that EU officials /Parliamentarians haven't any sort of technical background or knowledge on what they're legislating on. In reality, as is almost always the case, they've had plenty of technical advice and endless discussions with groups - industry and consumers - over the years. It's just dumb ignorance to say we don't know what people in the various committees, panels etc, have been legislating. This decision hasn't been taken without understanding the issues. I say this as somebody who used to work in the European Parliament.
We in Europe take standardization very seriously And you have to start from something, this time it's usb c, that's how we do it in Europe, it doesn't bother us... I fully support the EU directives banning 8K due to excessive consumption and the standardization of phone charging cables
Watching this on my new Pixel 7 Pro. I thought about getting an iPhone 14 but I really being able to charge my phone, my Kindle, and my iPad with a single cable. Maybe by the time I am on the market again Apple will have upgraded.
Yeah, I’ve been burned on the USB-C cables multiple times, luckily not physically, though from what I understand that was a major issue during the early days of it. As someone who likes having all USB-C only devices, I don’t care for it being government mandated at all. Especially under the guise of reducing e-waste. I’ve thrown out so many USB-C cables just because they were garbage. It’s gonna continue to be a problem because as mentioned in the video, the standards only affect the plug/port and not the wires. And in my experience when buying cheaper cables on Amazon, you get way more duds on USB-C than on lightning.
That's because most lightning cables are Made For iPhone. Another reason Apple might not want to switch to USB-C on iPhones is because people tend to go through phone charging cables much faster than those for tablets and laptops, so Apple doesn't want people buying cheap (not Made For iPhone) third party USB-C cables, having a bad experience but misinterpreting why, and blaming Apple. e.g. thinking "my iPhone charges really slowly, this must be one of Apple's limitations" when in actual fact its the cable limiting the charging speed.
When you think about the physical durability of cables, the apple lightning must be down there at the bottom. It is an achievement to get active use of one for more than 12 months.
As a reminder; Apple designed and holds the patent on the USB-C connector. Clearly there’s reasons they aren’t using it on the iPhone. Also this law isn’t stopping the use of multiple chargers. All USB chargers are the same. This is about cables. And look at USB cables… I have a drawer filled with A-B, B-B, B to mini, B to micro, B to C. Is this law eliminating those? My tablet used a mini connector, not C. So I need one of those cables, etc. All my audio devices use A or B connectors. So I need those cables. Is this law really changing all of that? Apple was the driving force behind USB with the original iMac. Before that PCs had USB but there were no peripherals that used it. They also had USB-C on a produce before anyone else… just a couple of months after the standard was finalized (since they designed it). Then everyone else followed suit. So the iPhone needs a different cable? I always have several Lightning to USB cables laying around. And then which flavor of USB? B or C? Some people had to buy new cables anyway. This law isn’t going to eliminate extra cables one tiny bit.
I dunno even tho usb c is technically a old design company’s are still slowly adapting it like Xbox controllers and headphones etc that were still using micro b for decades flashlights and other stuff also still haven’t all adopted usb c
What Apple products released in 2022 uses USB C and doesn’t at least use usb 3? Honest question, I have no idea. It’s possible, but I doubt they’ll go under Thunderbolt 2.
@@mikem2132 Lol, no doubt, yes! I saw some US people moan about that space being filled with a plastic square - well clearly, because us non-US folk can still use SIMS so they need to leave the space for us as we're special ;)
@@chriswilcox8977 That was definitely a strange decision, but I’d still rather get the US model because of the cost. Verizon is giving me $800 trade in value for my XS Max with a cracked screen and 36 interest free financing towards a new iPhone. So my phone bill is going up $15 a month and I’m getting the 14 Pro Max 512 gb with unlimited 5G plus a Disney/Hulu/ESPN package is included. I lived in Germany for a few years. Very nice country, but I don’t know why iPhones are so expensive over there.
what issues are there with the physical connector of usb c you said it yourself that that is just the connector not the cable. it also doesnt stop OEMs from putting alterntive charging methords on to a device so for example dell laptops can still have a barrel plug charger as long as they can charge by usb c too. iphones and macbooks can still charge by magsafe as long as they have usb c too its not about limiting options its about making sure theres at least one common connection even if its just wired for power and nothing else. on top of this 9 years is nothing for a usb connection standard while usb C is encroaching on dominance in the usb connection market share usb A is still the king connector and that is a 26 year old connection still used on the lionshare of PCs laptops and even consols like xbox and playstation. this doesnt impose limits but rather common ground you may have decades of lighting cables but someone wanting to buy an iphone for the first time might have almost a decade of usb c cables cables they use for everything from laptop to controller to phone in the car at work and at home that they now also have to go and buy lighting cables to sit along side them in their work back and on their nightstand because apple is too stubborn for whatever reason with the iphone and only the iphone. considering they have moved every other product to usb c at this phone even the apple watch ships with a usb c cable now i have to thing the only reason the 14 series is still on lighting is out of spite there is no reason why a 1tb $1600 iphone 14 pro max should have to transfer footage at usb 2.0 speed. even the ipad mini a device that costs less than 1/3 of the highest end iphone uas at least usb 3.1 5gbps.
With all the dissertations about the pros and cons of this new law as well as what and when Apple should do or should have done, there’s only one thing that’s certain… there is a cost (design, tooling, mfg, etc.) associated with meeting this mandate and the consumers will foot the bill that will be buried with higher iPhone prices. It’s quite naïvely of anyone that believes the EU regulators are actually saving their constituents money in the long run.
My friend, the e-waste argument is ridiculous. Your decade worth of lightning cables will only become instantly obsolete if you are a person who switches to new apple products every year. If that is so, you are already generating a big heap of e-waste every year. Otherwise, you can continue to use your "amazing" apple products with your "innovative" apple cables. EU hasn't said that the older apple products have to made defunct.
true, the cables itself still have a lot of work to be done, but at least the connecter type was standardized. not ideal, sure, but in the right direction.
The original reason for this was because the old dumb phones all had different power plugs with difference sized holes and power that didn't work from one phone to another even the same brand. Now its all USB, even Apple. I can charge my iPhone with a Samsung USB brick. Its the cable that matters and as all the power bricks are USB with a port I don't see why it even matters any more. In addition, I still need a lightening to USB A or the future USB C to USB A so I can plug into my car which is going to be stuck with its USB A port for many years to come as I am not replacing the car any time soon. Having a BRICK + Cable works and what that is doesn't matter, not any more.
Usb-C need to be reglated as a tech....on power delivery, transfer speed etc....Amazon is a perfect example to many options to confuse customers .. if it's usb 3 or 4 or what ever it need sot be the same....
The EU was right to do it. Apple was never going to budge. The next thing for the EU to do is to order that all PC's sold in Europe must have a RISC-V CPU. 😆
People who loved this law definitely only seeing the trees instead of the forest. That MagSafe cable switch definitely showed that people are sometimes too dumb to know what they want until they no longer have it.
it seems the main point was missed. the usb-c connector is mandated for the sake of having charging opportunity fallback with PD. Thats all. No one cares what the given manufacturer will decide to encapsule into that connector. Just having the same connector to charge any modern smartphone. So yes the Apple will HAVE to adopt it on the next iphone sold in EU. theres no speculation you can throw at it and the dream of having a totally wireless phone would be just a fail. it’s proven you cant reach the same efficiency and affordability and you’d be stuck with something you can charge in one spot only where you have the right tool. plus lots of diagnostic procedures require cables. please lets surrender to the idea theres no way out. I personally dislike the usb-c for being huge and I always preferred the lightning but yet I must admit that the uncovered pins gets oxided quickly and shows off badly compared to the usbc caged
I am not living in the U.S. So, I do not understand what seems to be the big issue here. In the States they can continue with the lightning port, or adapt the USB-C as they did with the iPad, and nobody complained about it, or they can push up the wireless charging, ditching up the charging port, and sell everyone a portless iPhone. What is this fuss about it? For someone like me, an European having a general port to charge everything is quite alright, no need to take chargers for your tablet, earbuds, smartwatch, camera, and so on. Iphone customers should wake up a little bit and try to see other alternatives, and avoid taking everything as granted.
I don’t mind the lightning connector itself, I just hate the USB 2.0 speeds. In my opinion, Apple should’ve made the Lightning connector run at usb 3.0 when the iPhone X came out in 2017 and 3.1/3.2 speeds when the iPhone 13 came out.
Vote with your wallet and find the correct cable. Don't buy the cheapest USB-C cable. C to C will at least give you some guarantee. USB-PD is standard since the Pixel. Earpods will be covered by the EU.
I'm not opposed to connector innovation but the lightning connector is really getting frustrating. Apple should have come up with something better at this point or switched to USB. I also think that rendering diversity for the web is overrated. Diversity in web development software makes the job of developers needlessly harder.
Agreed. While USB C is nice, and Apple should have done so a long time ago, but they should have consulted all the major players and then make a decision on what the true standard should be
They were in on USB C from the beginning, but guess it was such a cluster with too many cooks in the kitchen that they came out with their own USB C plug that we know as lightning.
@@mendodsoregonbackroads6632 Lightning isn’t equivalent of USB-C though. I saw someone show that it was quicker to sync a video over iCloud Drive than lightning. It’s USB 2 speeds.
@@cinnamonrage It’s slower, but the standard at the time was micro USB. The Lightning connector was introduced on September 12, 2001? The USB C 1.0 version was finalized by USB Implementers Forum August 2014, almost 13 years later. So it was as I said. USB C, before there was consensus on USB C. At this point USB C is better than lightning, especially with the newer Thunderbolt capabilities. But Lightning isn’t a bad connector. The search for one cable to rule them all is basically the USB C form factor and if you can spare a little money, buying Thunderbolt 4 cables eliminates much of the confusion about what device does what.
Apple has people on the executive, engineering and other levels of the USB-IF foundation. These are the people that defined the requirements and implement of USB-C. So Apple did work on USB-C in consultation with people from other companies, like Intel, AMD, Microsoft, ...
The fact that Apple added USB-C to the iPad Air 4 in 2020 (a non-pro device) but are still clinging to lightning plus on the 2022 standard and pro iPhones is just idiotic.
I feel like the USB C argument here in the United States is a non issue, because Apple is just going to do the same thing here as they did with the 14 Pro's and eSim. They'll manufacture phones for countries under the EU and then for all the other countries they'll continue to manufacture iPhones with Lightning, or delete corded connection all together.
Sim trays are one thing but I think if a USB-C iPhone gets made it’ll be made everywhere. There’s too many other type-C apple products already that it’ll just make the most sense.
It took you five minutes to get to why most of us want it. If my iPhone has USB-C, I *can* live in a one cable world. Besides...I don't want every cable with a USB-C end to be a Thunderbolt 4 cable; that would be RIDICULOUSLY expensive. Let me choose which cable is the right blend of power, length, and data transfer speeds for me and I will carry that. As for the Apple Watch...I'll say what I always say "Dear Apple, reverse charge my airpods and my watch!" There...problem solved.
I understand why some people might want only usb-C cables, but do you really need them ?! Let‘s say I go to work and take my iPad, iPhone and Macbook Pro with me. I bring one charging brick for my iPhone and iPad with one lightning and one usb-c cable. For the Macbook i bring the Magsafe cable and the charging brick. That‘s 2 bricks and 3 cables for 3 completely different devices and enabling me to charge 2 devices simultaneously or even all of them when charging one device over the macbook usb-c port. Making the iphone usb-c will give me the option to only bring 2 cables for the 3 devices but that also means i can’t charge all of them at the same time and is it really so much of a hassle to fit the 50gram cable for the lightning port in my Backpack ?! Do you have a specific need for it all to be usb-c ?
@@mariuswickli3206 One I can list of the top of my head is that Lightning has never supported usb 3 and it is very useful for file transfer for it to not take extremely long
While I agree, this strikes me as a bit of "take what you can get" moment. Let's be real: The most common use, by far, for the USB-C connector is just power delivery. While the connector is aging (and IMO not as nice as Lightning), an iPhone with USB-C would instantly mean that I could plug my MacBook Pro's brick, or my Nintendo Switch brick into my phone in a pinch and juice it up. The Lightning connector has increasingly become the odd-connector-out among my devices, and it's getting correspondingly increasingly annoying to accommodate.
For sure, the best part of USB C is the universal charging compatibility. I now only wish they improved their naming schemes and was better with data transfer speeds as well (making it more clear).
This!
I don't get the "USB-C is such a mess" hysteria. It's fine! Most of the times its demonstrably fine.
If you have a special usecase where you need a thunderbolt cable, then you can get your branded Apple cable and be fine.
Also, for all the talk of data this and that, they can pretty much all transfer data at lightning speeds or above. And with USB 4, if you need that ultra fast data transfer and or video output, without the ultra high Thunderbolt price tag, there you go! I
Oh and those Androids with proprietary fast charging usually still charge faster than an iPhone when using a standard USB C PD cable.
USB-C port on my Windows Laptop is also my display for external monitor as it bypass the iGPU, it's direct to the NVDA discrete GPU. You are right about having that weird cable. I wish I could just have a bunch of USB-C cables and be done with USB-A and Lightning.
Personally, the only things I actually use lightning for are my AirPods (regular, Pro and Max) and my Magic Trackpad, none of which require charging particularly frequently. I use wireless charging for my iPhone, MagSafe for my MacBook and the Apple Watch's own charger for it. Really the only thing I actually use USB-C to charge on a regular basis is my iPad.
So for me, the advantage of USB-C in power delivery isn't on the power receiving end, it's on the power giving end, because I can plug any of my cables (MagSafe, Lightning, USB-C, Apple Watch charger, USB micro-b...) into either any of my USB-C power bricks, or my MacBook, and charge the appropriate device.
The main reason I don't buy the "what about new connectors" thing, mostly because for the past decade it doesn't look like anyone's actually been working on it. Apple argued that this might mean that they can't put a better connector on in future, but if there's some supposed replacement for Lightning that Apple would be prevented from producing by this new regulation, where has it been for the past decade? The Lightning form factor dates from 2012.
Lightning and USB-C were both developed by Apple. Meanwhile the PC industry invented all those variants of micro and mini USB who are the problem.
@@jansix4287 No, USB-C was not developed by Apple. Apple is a member of USB-IF, but that's it. Not only did they not develop USB-C, they argued to USB-IF that it should have been smaller.
the regulation doesn't prevent multiple connectors though, so you can start with larger devices like Tablets and Laptops, which can have the USB-C plus the new connector, and if your new connector is better adoption will rise, then you can propose the new connector to be the next standard.
@@himagainstill Be fair, I do agree that USB-C are unnecessarily large due to, just like other USB form factors, it's shielded male connector. A form factor similar to the current lightning connector but with more receptacles can achieve the same functionality as the current USB-C connector, while using less space on the female side.
More importantly, due to the current shielded male connector design of USBs, the female connectors always have a "center" piece that can be easily broken(usually by forcing unwanted object into the port). And repairing such would always be much harder than simply replacing the cable.
Hi guys, myslf a big Apple fan and decades on macOS and iOS. Now honestly when i heard from Apple that they didn't was so happy about the new law in Europe i had to shake my head. Bcs myself are waiting since years that i finally can get an iphone with a usbC port in my hands. My MacBook Pro has it, my iPad has it but when i travel i always have to hsve my lightning cable or at least an ausbc to lightning adapter with me. I think its a joke from apple to complain about this new law in Europe now bcs the already are working with usbC port on theire other devices. And like Richi said, just get a usbC thunderbolt4 cable and everything is fine. I dont buy either that this caple is higher in price bcs you need actually only one of those in the future instead of usbC, lightning and mybe a usbC thunderbolt 4. or help me, what i‘m missing here?
Cheers from Switzerland
I’m not a big fan of the EU, but this is one of the moments I agree with its actions.
Apple has had Lightning for a decade. If they wanted to make it the new standard, they could have. They instead made it proprietary and then essentially stopped developing it beyond 3.0 to accommodate faster charging and data speeds, resulting in iPads to necessarily switch to USB-C.
Then they start to introduce all these amazing ProRes video stuff on the iPhone, but stubbornly refuse to switch to a faster port.
At this point, Apple is insufferable regarding Lightning, which is why I’ve been committed since 2020 to not invest in anything with a Lightning port.
The Lightning port must die, even if some future USB-D will look like it. Who knows how long that will take.
No, they couldn't have made it the new standard, they could have licensed it but USB-C was on the way. They knew this as they contributed the largest group of engineers outside of Intel.
They should have switched iPhone Pros to USB-C already because of video transfer so that should happen but take non-Pro iPhones portless like Watch - MagSafe + local wireless/optical. The EU forcing devices to have a dated USB-C connector is nonsense - as usual.
I'm sure the EU is grateful for your approval!
Every USB-C cable and charger are compatible with each other, even if not at the fastest speeds. There are hundreds of millions of people in the world who cannot afford the highest spec phones with highest speed chargers etc. At least it all works.
The USB-C standard includes PD, so any brick with USB PD compliance will charge any device, up to 65W currently and going forward 100W and above.
There is also provision for the decision to be reviewed every 5 years, to ensure that USB-C is still the best way to go forward, if there is a better standard out there, it can replace USB-C after a certain date (E.g. USB-C is the standard now, but in 2028, they might review and say, from 2030 on it will be SuperConnector(tm)...
I use a single, smalll 65W GAN charger with 3 USB-C and 1 USB-A port. I have a USB-C Lighting, USB-C Apple Watch Puck and an USB-C cable, plus a USB-A - microUSB for my torch and camera. The Lightning is for my iPhone and AirPods, the puck is for the watch, the USB-C is for everything else I have, apart from my torch and my 2016 camera.
The other thing is, the EU told the industry in 2010 to sort their own house out, sort out a standard and stick with it, that didn't happen, so they did it for them.
I do not agree with Rene's conflation of the web standard consortium's mis-adoption of HTML rendering engines with the EU's adoption of the engineering spec for USB-C. They're different animals.
Further, has anyone mentioned that USB-C systems have their spring portion inside the cable, not the device. It is much easier and cheaper to replace a cable when the spring fails.
The correlation was that they stepped in thinking they were doing one thing and something totally different happened.
@@JJohnson313 Hmm. I agree with the data transfer conundrum, but charging devices will be *way* better.
Apple suffers from hubris, thinking they're better than everybody else. Happy to see them get chastened a bit. I like Apple products as well.
Agree that Apple should have done this a long time ago. I hate having to having to have a Lightning cable.
Yea, but you are ok with Europe MAKING you use it?
@@TheThaiLife They are making APPLE use it. We use it for everything else so what's the problem?
@@paulbarnett227 The problem is the government invents nothing and should dictate nothing. If Europeans don't buy iPhones with Lightning, the problem will fix itself. But so far, the free market doesn't care. The EU's track record is ZILCH. This is just a flex and planting the seeds for a future tax. Apple makes more profit than some entire countries in the EU and they are going for a piece of it. You go ahead and let the government create great tech rules but for me, no Fing way.
@@TheThaiLife I have no problem with requiring USB-C connectors on phones. I already have lots of USB-C cables I can share between PCs, Macs, iPad Pros, and non-iPhone phones.
@@JBoy340a What if China wants us all to use USB-A? There are by far the most cables for that out there. What is to say Africa wants us to use mini-USB? You honestly don't see a problem with a government dictating your tech? Do you own a badass Soviet vehicle? See my point?
5:00 - No, that does *NOT* mean you only have to travel with one type of plug. What you just said here can easily be missunderstood as one individual cable, which is not true as wire gage can be thiner than required to carry power like 100W, some USB-C plugs are missing data lanes, some are only wired for audio. The shape of the connector does not mean the same type of plug.
As soon as just one contact is changed, that's a completely different plug.
While I agree with the sentiment, the vast majority of users only use their connectors to charge their devices and, once in a blue moon, transfer some photos. USBC is not perfect but it is the standard everyone agreed to.
EU law only mandates charging form factor of charging plugs and it will change if technology advances. It is a small step forward IMO. Think how convenient it will be if all countries use one type of power plug.
Yes, but multinational conglomerates and practicality won't allow for that to be easily implemented. Travels must use adapters and power converters or borrow appliances locally. Doubt we'd ever get a global 110 or 220 standard barring a catastrophic, planet-wide event or a new Napoleon who successfully conquers every nation. Heck, even NTSC vs PAL and SECAM would likely not be unified.
yea it's pretty much the same idea as our power outlets. The charger is just an extension of that. I'm no fan of the EU, but they got it right this time.
This is all under the assumption that Apple will ship it's devices with type C outside of Europe. They are already shipping iPhone 14s with physical Sims outside of N. America while only we get the eSIM iPhones. They might do the same in the Americas to keep that lightening money rolling in.
I don’t believe there’s a world where the cost of producing 2 models of iPhone with different ports is significantly lower than the amount of money Apple gets through lightning.
but inside an iphone14 for the US market there is an empty space for at the spot of the sim slot, instead the USBc will request a totally new case
It's only the US, Canada and likely Mexico still has the physical sim tray.
You know, the irony here is that the USB-D plug will probably look just like the lightning plug.
Wait till we see the USB-F featured as a data port on the Enterprise J!😁😁
Probably to increase its waterproof rating...
I want the style of the lightning port but all the functionality of USB-C. But at this point it would just make things more complicated. And Apple would get all the royalties so, that's not going to happen.
USB-C is still expanding.
USB-F is the future of data transfer. It will be here soon!
I hate the EU. They constantly got to dictate and people wonder why the U.K. voted to leave this bloc. It should have remained solely a trading bloc but it grew into a political monster.
Agree. I can't buy normal lightbulbs anymore, just the LED ones which flicker and damage eyesight.
@@Michal_Sobczyk Keep coping lol. Led's don't flicker and also don't damage eyesight, i don't have anything else. Meanwhile lightbulbs just waste energy like crazy. If you want wasteful lamps you can still get hallogene bulbs.
And we need the eu, and I really hope they will become a superpower with a unified army, more governmental power and federal states one day, as a rival to china and the failing US. Because otherwise we're doomed.
I am from the UK. I voted for Remain in 2016. Brexit is great, when you see how EU had become. I love MagSafe, don't want that to be replaced by USB-C
Apple’s iPhone lightning implementation is stuck on usb2.0 speeds. Apple adopted usb-c on its macs and iPads so it’s unclear why iPhone is still lightning. I for one will be happy when I no longer need to bring two cables on vacation, a usb-c for almost everything, and lightning only for iPhone/AirPods. It’s time to abandon lightning and to move on.
Sorry Rene, but this sounded like a really stereotypical thing for a guy from US to focus on :D In the EU we usually don’t worry about lost opportunnities, but about making life easier for the consimer. the reality is that gdpr forced entire industries to behave differently in the eu, it forced google’s hand, apple’s hand and facebook’s hand. even small companies now legally have to offer the ability to delete your data. The companies have to prove where data is hosted and openly state the tracking methods they use. Gdpr was a success, apart from having a loophole that allows for dark UX practices in cookie windows. While i love lightning, having a single simple cable that works with everything will make consumers everyday easier, and thats the only thing that matters.
The power delivery and transfer speeds could be solved by simply printing the standard tier on the actual cable. Most cables for industry work do.
Apple could do what they did with Thunderbolt 3 and simply used the USB-C port for a Lightning 2, thereby establishing two different tiers and data transfer speed and power delivery. Then consumers are more likely to adopt awareness of the branded tiers.
yea it's quite an easy fix. the guy in this video doesn't know what hes talking about.
Despite the issues with USB-C, it still is a pretty solid standard and literally every device I have other than my iPhone uses it. All of the new EVs have USB-C ports. When I remodeled my house this past year, I had USB-C in the wall outlets. Future proofing here. Overall, it works well, and it's not nearly as painful as having to bring along lightning ports. Granted, I charge my iPhone 95% of the time with a MagSafe charger on my nightstand, or the clamshell duo Apple charger when I travel, but there are a few times when I have a rental car or I'm on a plane when a cable still makes sense. I actually wish TVs would move to USB-C and we could ditch HDMI!
Even my Explorer ST has a USB-C port. That's what I use for my Apple Car Play. USB-C to Lightning. I just want everything to be USB-C, no more Micro-USB nor lightning.
Right? I mean even in the Apple ecosystem, at this point only the AirPods and iPhone use Lightning, basically every other Apple device minus the newer MacBooks and such on MagSafe (which I know also offer USB-C charging) have USB-C.
i havent used a cable to charge my iphone since i got it. wirelss charging works fine for my usecase.
I hope the EU doesn’t decide to standardize on a single phone OS. Mandating Android would simplify everything. Right?
I'm very much for it because it's a pain to have to remember to bring special cables (and spares) for the iPads and iPhones in the family, each one being unnecessarily expensive and not very reliable to start with. There's no technical reason for Lightning, I think we can all agree. I'm sure Apple will try to somehow proprietize USB-C now to extract money from its users via periphery manufacturers, but your point about having to bring "the" power brick is moot. You need to bring "a" power brick, and you can choose any of the thousand available ones. You can have a charging brick with 6 ports. You can have one with wireless charging for your iWatch. You can have one that's light and expensive for travel, or one that's heavier and cheaper for home. You can have a charger that's also a power bank. You can borrow any charger and have it charge any of your devices. That's the point, _not_ having to bring _the_ charger.
It's not much different from when EU forced phone manufacturers to use USB instead of proprietary plugs back in the dumbphone era. It wasn't perfect, MicroUSB is still very bad, but it was certainly an improvement.
Let's face it: _Apple is _*_NOT_*_ going to implement on the iPhone 15 the multiple standard USB Type C port found on its MacBook Air and MacBook Pro laptops_ . It's far more likely the USB Type C port will be the same as the one found on the current iPad Air and iPad Mini models: up to circa 40 watts initial charging rate per USB-IF Power Delivery 3.0 standard and Thunderbolt 3/USB Certified 10 Gbps data transfer speeds.
I think given the larger files they may will have a USB-C BUT I suspect it will be USB4/thunderbolt.
USB 4 (Thunderbolt) I/O controllers take more power than USB 3 controllers, as do USB 3 controllers take more power than USB 2 controllers, and they also cost more, that's why some Android phones still ship with USB-C which still only supports USB 2.0, the same as lightning.
I'm sorry what is your problem exactly? I watched the entire video and all I heard was whining and rambling about easily fixable issues. And a few seconds of "but all my Lightning stuff!" I guess it's about that in the end. Don't worry, Apple will come up with a dongle. It's what they do.
They don't fking work, after few months they don't charge anymore.
One thing - compare prices of USB C and Lightning.
Now look which functionality USB C you can buy for the same price. You may see plug allowing to charge AND stream - not like that 3$ you mentioned (whilst lightning costs 20...)
MagSafe be like: bro I am also there some one recognise me😂
Why don't they regulate cable specs instead? such as HDMI's horrible and frequently misleading nomenclature. The lightning port is a standard of it's own, it makes no sense to force them to change.
Why are you so sure EU didn't consult the major players before taking this decision? Do you have any proof to sustain this?
I have my iPad Mini and iPhone on my bedside table. I have to have 2 different cables to charge them both. I have several Apple devices and all but the iPhone and wireless charger use USB-C. It's absurd to me that my iPhone is the only Apple device that needs the Lightning connector.
You imagine they pull regional iPhone type. USB-C in EU and Lightning in US. For the people that say this will not happen. They already have different hardware in China
Nah, Apple will do their own thing. When the EU mandated that phone chargers must be USB Micro-B, Apple just incorporated the fine as a cost of doing business in the EU and carried on with Lightning.
USB C regulation is only for smartphones and not laptop. As laptops from HP and ASUS might use propriety based chargers not USB C. So EU rules doesn't make sense as they say they will reduce cables but we will still have laptop charger, magsafe charger and USB C and one more thing making USB C for every laptop is not possible.
It was mentioned that AirPods may not be covered, in fact they are part of one of the main groups already defined, see list below. The way EU regulations work (having dealt with them for 30+ years) is not related to key issues such as the technical aspects of 'nerds' or even the educated consumer, in this case the main issue was environmental savings. So your points are interesting but from a EU perspective not really that relevant to them (sorry about that), many people in my profession are not so keen on what the EU is doing as it will mean no innovation any time soon and the environmental savings will in fact not be as large as the EU commission is predicting, it will also lead to issues over cheap cables that may comply with the regulations but indirectly (due to quality) may result in quality issues to the main item (phone, tablet) . My aim with this comment was really to clarify you uncertainty over AirPods being included, so I hope this helps.
The new requirement will cover a range of portable electronics, according to the EU, including:
- mobile phones
- tablets
- e-readers
- mice and keyboards
- GPS (global positioning system) devices
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- digital cameras
- handheld videogame consoles
- portable speakers
Apple doesn't even use lightning on all of its devices so apple ecosystem users don't just have to use lightning but have to use USB as well, that's just silly imo
Get a high power charging brick with 2 cables attached, one usb c one lighting. Problem solved, for now
I think it’s kinda sad that USB-C is not the ideal form factor. I would love all USB-protocols but with the lightning form factor
you have Apple to blame for that then by making it proprietary
@@daviddaaannggg it doesnt need to be the exact same connector but the general shape of the lightning plug is just more durable and solid
USB-C slots still have this tongue inside the port wich can easily break
@@Nystoke Garbage. I have had several devices that use USB-C and have yet to break on me. I usually have devices on me when I am doing work around the car, home, and when I worked in a warehouse in the past. I have had no durability issues.
You guys really think lightning is the best option 😂😂😂
@@techopedia5888 definitely don’t. I like the form factor and that’s about it. The data rate of lightning is a joke
As long as I won’t have to feel around in the dark, accidentally grab my iPad charger and try to plug it in my iPhone anymore I’m happy.
Use a flashlight
I use 3 in 1 MagSafe charger and I have never been happier….. my phone , Watch and AirPods all at the same time
Watch out! The EU plans to standardise wireless charging next which could well mean the end of MagSafe. And while MagSafe supports Qi charging (weirdly), no Android phone is going to be able to use MagSafe charging stands without magnets.
It’s scary to think that governments will be interfering with product design and dictating to manufacturers what they can and can’t use.
The eu is out of Touch and really do not have the right to tell other companies what they should be putting on their iPhones.
Your point is very valid. USB C cables are confusing, to the point where I have to look up a manufacturer’s specs before I truly know what power/data speeds it can handle.
I just want a USB C iPhone and AirPods 😅
Lol, what "manufacturer specs"?
There's PD2.0, PS3.0, that's it.
No, they shouldn’t of switched to USB C earlier. It’s not as water resistant as the lighting port. Who the heck would want that trade off?
USB D is just an april fools joke. Not far from the arguments you've put down here. They made it mandatory, because making it optional did not help to cover all the companies. Standardization is a way forward. Imagine you would have a different pump nozzle for every car brand and they would randomly change it after 10 or so years. What about wheels, tires, what about an electrical outlet and appliances. 99% of the market chose USB C as their standard, until we get something better (and it isn't USB D as of now).
Furthermore, all small electronics should be covered by the regulation, including headphones.
I agree, they should keep closer eye on the real implementation, like with the cookies, this is however already implemented and used. it has quite broad compatibility, at least for charging, that this is targeted to. Of course even charging is not as universal as it cold be, I expect that the manufacturers will step up their game and not make device like my thinkpad 2021 that can't charge itself using samsung's 45W brick.
Just take out the charging port and use that extra real estate for battery. I hope they take away the SIM tray for international iPhones so they can put that real estate to use too.
It looks as if the whole video was about an old man complaining for adopting a better standard and losing money that was invested in a closed ecosystem like apple. You should have been ramping to apple for not adopting type c on iPhone as they did years ago for Mac n ipad pros. And what you call a decade old plug, Android manufacturers have been giving type c since that time. It's been standard and an open ecosystem which by far only hurts apples business only about the MFI chips. Another knowledge for you is earphones can be charged wirelessly as well considering the amount of money youtubers spend for showing off stuff which is adopted by other after 1 or 2 or 3 years later. I may be critising much but this is the truth and you should have said it so as well. Hope you agree 👍
One of the main reasons I don't own an Apple is because all my devices use type C cable. And that phone cost more then 20 000. And comes with no charger. That's daylight robbery.
There's no reason for lightning to exist in 2022
power cables are not going wireless anytime soon. Inductive charging is not there yet or for another decade.
This dude has Apple so far up all his holes. No excuse for USB 2.0 speeds in 2022.
Usb-c ports are problematic. They break easily. I never had problem on iphones lightning ports to break, the female port on the phone. But on android phones they break after a year or two. Especially if you use wired headphones daily.
well, that is a broad statement, I may well be tempting fate now so if I have to get a repair done but that's on me. Yes, I have had to have a USB replacement on an android phone, not on a USBC one though, but not on my S7 (used for 3 years) or my S10plus which I still use. I have however had to replace a power connection on a laptop. I am not convinced by this "on android phones they break after a year or two" and I have always used wired headphones every day, so, come on, that may be based on your experience but not mine or anyone else I know. Oh, and I am typing this through my macstudio so not an apple hater on the whole.
On a tangential point: I do so wish tech reporters would actually read the EU legislation before commenting. There's been so much fud going about.
I also think it's very sad to see, particularly American, tech pundits, declare as fact, that EU officials /Parliamentarians haven't any sort of technical background or knowledge on what they're legislating on. In reality, as is almost always the case, they've had plenty of technical advice and endless discussions with groups - industry and consumers - over the years. It's just dumb ignorance to say we don't know what people in the various committees, panels etc, have been legislating. This decision hasn't been taken without understanding the issues. I say this as somebody who used to work in the European Parliament.
We in Europe take standardization very seriously
And you have to start from something, this time it's usb c, that's how we do it in Europe, it doesn't bother us...
I fully support the EU directives banning 8K due to excessive consumption and the standardization of phone charging cables
You cables won’t become useless… they’ll still work
Watching this on my new Pixel 7 Pro. I thought about getting an iPhone 14 but I really being able to charge my phone, my Kindle, and my iPad with a single cable.
Maybe by the time I am on the market again Apple will have upgraded.
I'm waiting to see how they implement it
Yeah, I’ve been burned on the USB-C cables multiple times, luckily not physically, though from what I understand that was a major issue during the early days of it.
As someone who likes having all USB-C only devices, I don’t care for it being government mandated at all. Especially under the guise of reducing e-waste. I’ve thrown out so many USB-C cables just because they were garbage. It’s gonna continue to be a problem because as mentioned in the video, the standards only affect the plug/port and not the wires. And in my experience when buying cheaper cables on Amazon, you get way more duds on USB-C than on lightning.
well that is the age old argument of cheaper cables v expensive ones and has nothing at all to do with mandated connection types.
That's because most lightning cables are Made For iPhone. Another reason Apple might not want to switch to USB-C on iPhones is because people tend to go through phone charging cables much faster than those for tablets and laptops, so Apple doesn't want people buying cheap (not Made For iPhone) third party USB-C cables, having a bad experience but misinterpreting why, and blaming Apple. e.g. thinking "my iPhone charges really slowly, this must be one of Apple's limitations" when in actual fact its the cable limiting the charging speed.
@@ggproductions7078 so you agree that changing the port won’t actually fix or change anything. Just the EU trying to flex power.
@@thebuddercweeper Apple can make Apple branded USB C cable if they are worried about that
When you think about the physical durability of cables, the apple lightning must be down there at the bottom. It is an achievement to get active use of one for more than 12 months.
As a reminder; Apple designed and holds the patent on the USB-C connector. Clearly there’s reasons they aren’t using it on the iPhone. Also this law isn’t stopping the use of multiple chargers. All USB chargers are the same. This is about cables. And look at USB cables… I have a drawer filled with A-B, B-B, B to mini, B to micro, B to C. Is this law eliminating those?
My tablet used a mini connector, not C. So I need one of those cables, etc. All my audio devices use A or B connectors. So I need those cables. Is this law really changing all of that?
Apple was the driving force behind USB with the original iMac. Before that PCs had USB but there were no peripherals that used it.
They also had USB-C on a produce before anyone else… just a couple of months after the standard was finalized (since they designed it). Then everyone else followed suit.
So the iPhone needs a different cable? I always have several Lightning to USB cables laying around. And then which flavor of USB? B or C? Some people had to buy new cables anyway.
This law isn’t going to eliminate extra cables one tiny bit.
I dunno even tho usb c is technically a old design company’s are still slowly adapting it like Xbox controllers and headphones etc that were still using micro b for decades flashlights and other stuff also still haven’t all adopted usb c
Better names for the USB types:
USB-C --> Serial Bus type C
USB-A --> Universal Serial Bus
What Apple products released in 2022 uses USB C and doesn’t at least use usb 3? Honest question, I have no idea. It’s possible, but I doubt they’ll go under Thunderbolt 2.
Apple probs just make their phones MagSafe only and give everyone a free MagSafe charger just to piddle off the EU 😂
They’ll probably put a piece of plastic where the lightning port goes in the EU.
@@mikem2132 Lol, no doubt, yes! I saw some US people moan about that space being filled with a plastic square - well clearly, because us non-US folk can still use SIMS so they need to leave the space for us as we're special ;)
@@chriswilcox8977 That was definitely a strange decision, but I’d still rather get the US model because of the cost.
Verizon is giving me $800 trade in value for my XS Max with a cracked screen and 36 interest free financing towards a new iPhone.
So my phone bill is going up $15 a month and I’m getting the 14 Pro Max 512 gb with unlimited 5G plus a Disney/Hulu/ESPN package is included.
I lived in Germany for a few years. Very nice country, but I don’t know why iPhones are so expensive over there.
what issues are there with the physical connector of usb c you said it yourself that that is just the connector not the cable. it also doesnt stop OEMs from putting alterntive charging methords on to a device so for example dell laptops can still have a barrel plug charger as long as they can charge by usb c too. iphones and macbooks can still charge by magsafe as long as they have usb c too its not about limiting options its about making sure theres at least one common connection even if its just wired for power and nothing else. on top of this 9 years is nothing for a usb connection standard while usb C is encroaching on dominance in the usb connection market share usb A is still the king connector and that is a 26 year old connection still used on the lionshare of PCs laptops and even consols like xbox and playstation. this doesnt impose limits but rather common ground you may have decades of lighting cables but someone wanting to buy an iphone for the first time might have almost a decade of usb c cables cables they use for everything from laptop to controller to phone in the car at work and at home that they now also have to go and buy lighting cables to sit along side them in their work back and on their nightstand because apple is too stubborn for whatever reason with the iphone and only the iphone. considering they have moved every other product to usb c at this phone even the apple watch ships with a usb c cable now i have to thing the only reason the 14 series is still on lighting is out of spite there is no reason why a 1tb $1600 iphone 14 pro max should have to transfer footage at usb 2.0 speed. even the ipad mini a device that costs less than 1/3 of the highest end iphone uas at least usb 3.1 5gbps.
Finally seeing a tech TH-camr call out the madness of the unelected bureaucrats of at the EU.
With all the dissertations about the pros and cons of this new law as well as what and when Apple should do or should have done, there’s only one thing that’s certain… there is a cost (design, tooling, mfg, etc.) associated with meeting this mandate and the consumers will foot the bill that will be buried with higher iPhone prices. It’s quite naïvely of anyone that believes the EU regulators are actually saving their constituents money in the long run.
Also making TONS more e-waste by making existing lighting cables obsolete
I wasn't aware there's different USB-C cables, they all just seem to to charge my phone just fine, until they don't then they go to recycle land.
My friend, the e-waste argument is ridiculous. Your decade worth of lightning cables will only become instantly obsolete if you are a person who switches to new apple products every year. If that is so, you are already generating a big heap of e-waste every year. Otherwise, you can continue to use your "amazing" apple products with your "innovative" apple cables. EU hasn't said that the older apple products have to made defunct.
true, the cables itself still have a lot of work to be done, but at least the connecter type was standardized. not ideal, sure, but in the right direction.
No, we don't need usb D. We already have a bunch of devices with usb c
The original reason for this was because the old dumb phones all had different power plugs with difference sized holes and power that didn't work from one phone to another even the same brand. Now its all USB, even Apple. I can charge my iPhone with a Samsung USB brick. Its the cable that matters and as all the power bricks are USB with a port I don't see why it even matters any more. In addition, I still need a lightening to USB A or the future USB C to USB A so I can plug into my car which is going to be stuck with its USB A port for many years to come as I am not replacing the car any time soon. Having a BRICK + Cable works and what that is doesn't matter, not any more.
I’m really sad that Edge got dumped. It was after Firefox my favorite browser.
with so many devices out there people will be using lighting for years to come (mouse, keyboard, airpods etc)
Usb-C need to be reglated as a tech....on power delivery, transfer speed etc....Amazon is a perfect example to many options to confuse customers .. if it's usb 3 or 4 or what ever it need sot be the same....
The EU was right to do it. Apple was never going to budge. The next thing for the EU to do is to order that all PC's sold in Europe must have a RISC-V CPU. 😆
whats next after usb-c?
People who loved this law definitely only seeing the trees instead of the forest. That MagSafe cable switch definitely showed that people are sometimes too dumb to know what they want until they no longer have it.
it seems the main point was missed. the usb-c connector is mandated for the sake of having charging opportunity fallback with PD. Thats all. No one cares what the given manufacturer will decide to encapsule into that connector. Just having the same connector to charge any modern smartphone. So yes the Apple will HAVE to adopt it on the next iphone sold in EU. theres no speculation you can throw at it and the dream of having a totally wireless phone would be just a fail. it’s proven you cant reach the same efficiency and affordability and you’d be stuck with something you can charge in one spot only where you have the right tool. plus lots of diagnostic procedures require cables. please lets surrender to the idea theres no way out. I personally dislike the usb-c for being huge and I always preferred the lightning but yet I must admit that the uncovered pins gets oxided quickly and shows off badly compared to the usbc caged
EU is a huge market 450 million, Apple can’t ignore that.
Apple should have switched to USB-C a long time ago. The Lightning connector is inferior and it's getting embarassing at this point.
I am rocking an iPhone 8, I better start collecting lighting cables
earbuds are covered. the law states “all small to medium sized electronics”
I am not living in the U.S. So, I do not understand what seems to be the big issue here. In the States they can continue with the lightning port, or adapt the USB-C as they did with the iPad, and nobody complained about it, or they can push up the wireless charging, ditching up the charging port, and sell everyone a portless iPhone. What is this fuss about it? For someone like me, an European having a general port to charge everything is quite alright, no need to take chargers for your tablet, earbuds, smartwatch, camera, and so on. Iphone customers should wake up a little bit and try to see other alternatives, and avoid taking everything as granted.
I don’t mind the lightning connector itself, I just hate the USB 2.0 speeds. In my opinion, Apple should’ve made the Lightning connector run at usb 3.0 when the iPhone X came out in 2017 and 3.1/3.2 speeds when the iPhone 13 came out.
They will just get rid of the plug and go full MagSafe.
So glad you’re back and looking so healthy post Covid. Love the haircut too Rene. Looking awesome as always. ❤❤
Yet another reason why legislation is rarely the answer.
Apple will remove the lightning for iPhones next year
yep and i'll be upgrading from my iphone 13 pro max then !! there may also be a new camera design
We can only hope.
Still better than lightning
Apple should just slap thunderbolt on everything and call it a day.
I've missed your rants, Rene. Nice job as always.
Apple will have to certify a standard for differing USB C cables..... The USB C Pro The USB C Max and the USB C Ultra. 😆
Vote with your wallet and find the correct cable. Don't buy the cheapest USB-C cable. C to C will at least give you some guarantee. USB-PD is standard since the Pixel. Earpods will be covered by the EU.
I'll just keep my iPhone 13 mini for another 5 years. I will have to say that it is smoother putting in the Lightning plug than USB-C.
Can only blame apple for sticking with ancient snail-speed tech, just so they can keep raking in the $$$
“The thing that I love about standards is that there are so many to choose from.” - Erik Spiekermann
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I'm not opposed to connector innovation but the lightning connector is really getting frustrating. Apple should have come up with something better at this point or switched to USB. I also think that rendering diversity for the web is overrated. Diversity in web development software makes the job of developers needlessly harder.
As per EU regulation, will apple once again abandon MagSafe on Mac & comes with thunderbolt instead?
Nope. MacBooks have USB-C today AND Magsafe. The rules don't restrict a second type of connector.
Agreed. While USB C is nice, and Apple should have done so a long time ago, but they should have consulted all the major players and then make a decision on what the true standard should be
They were in on USB C from the beginning, but guess it was such a cluster with too many cooks in the kitchen that they came out with their own USB C plug that we know as lightning.
@@mendodsoregonbackroads6632 Lightning isn’t equivalent of USB-C though. I saw someone show that it was quicker to sync a video over iCloud Drive than lightning. It’s USB 2 speeds.
@@cinnamonrage It’s slower, but the standard at the time was micro USB. The Lightning connector was introduced on September 12, 2001? The USB C 1.0 version was finalized by USB Implementers Forum August 2014, almost 13 years later. So it was as I said. USB C, before there was consensus on USB C. At this point USB C is better than lightning, especially with the newer Thunderbolt capabilities. But Lightning isn’t a bad connector. The search for one cable to rule them all is basically the USB C form factor and if you can spare a little money, buying Thunderbolt 4 cables eliminates much of the confusion about what device does what.
Apple has people on the executive, engineering and other levels of the USB-IF foundation. These are the people that defined the requirements and implement of USB-C. So Apple did work on USB-C in consultation with people from other companies, like Intel, AMD, Microsoft, ...
The fact that Apple added USB-C to the iPad Air 4 in 2020 (a non-pro device) but are still clinging to lightning plus on the 2022 standard and pro iPhones is just idiotic.
Came for the cogent tech discussion. Passable Sly Stalone impression thrown in free!
so, can you get to the actual issue?
I feel like the USB C argument here in the United States is a non issue, because Apple is just going to do the same thing here as they did with the 14 Pro's and eSim. They'll manufacture phones for countries under the EU and then for all the other countries they'll continue to manufacture iPhones with Lightning, or delete corded connection all together.
Sim trays are one thing but I think if a USB-C iPhone gets made it’ll be made everywhere. There’s too many other type-C apple products already that it’ll just make the most sense.
Remember Apple still has space on their boards for the sim tray in US iPhone 14s. It is just unused. And iPhones for a while have eSim capability
It took you five minutes to get to why most of us want it. If my iPhone has USB-C, I *can* live in a one cable world. Besides...I don't want every cable with a USB-C end to be a Thunderbolt 4 cable; that would be RIDICULOUSLY expensive. Let me choose which cable is the right blend of power, length, and data transfer speeds for me and I will carry that.
As for the Apple Watch...I'll say what I always say "Dear Apple, reverse charge my airpods and my watch!" There...problem solved.
Exactly
I understand why some people might want only usb-C cables, but do you really need them ?!
Let‘s say I go to work and take my iPad, iPhone and Macbook Pro with me. I bring one charging brick for my iPhone and iPad with one lightning and one usb-c cable. For the Macbook i bring the Magsafe cable and the charging brick. That‘s 2 bricks and 3 cables for 3 completely different devices and enabling me to charge 2 devices simultaneously or even all of them when charging one device over the macbook usb-c port.
Making the iphone usb-c will give me the option to only bring 2 cables for the 3 devices but that also means i can’t charge all of them at the same time and is it really so much of a hassle to fit the 50gram cable for the lightning port in my Backpack ?!
Do you have a specific need for it all to be usb-c ?
@@mariuswickli3206 One I can list of the top of my head is that Lightning has never supported usb 3 and it is very useful for file transfer for it to not take extremely long
And no this doesn't have to be c but apple has never in lightning supported it so switching to c would probably at least on some iPhones fix that
@@ChristophHowardYeah, i give you that point. Transfer speeds are ridiculous on the iPhone in the year 2022.