TIG Butt Welding: Scout 800 Fender
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TIG Butt Welding: Scout 800 Fender
We finally made it back to the Scout Fender. In the last video, Wray spoke about two students who wanted to make some patch panels so they used the Scout fender we were working on. At the end of the 4 day class, the patch panels had been tac welded into place. This video starts off with Wray, cleaning the butt join with a wire wheel and then grinding the tac welds down. Using a soft body dolly and body hammer Wray made sure that there was no peak where the two panels met. After it's been sufficiently worked, Wray uses the Everlast tig welder we have, but instead of the foot pedal, he used the on off button which acted as a pulse. For some reason, our microphones would cut out the second he touched the button. We initially wanted to have the panel all finished but we ran out of time due to our sound issues. The next video Wray will grind the weld, planish the panel and then use the shrinking disc to make sure we have a smooth transition.
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Wray! I enjoy the Scout 800 series you are creating! I want to see more Scout 800 projects!
I like what Mark is doing with the editing out of the tool noise. Not sure why this is not a standard YT practice. 39.2k subs! Cheers!
Perfect. Thanks for posting this. This is exactly what I needed to see. I'm in too much of a hurry.
Hi Wray
I thought my shrinking disc was out of whack but yours is worse LOL. About time for me to pay a visit and get a new disc. Been some time since you were in Stafford Springs CT.
Nice work! I like to start welding where the tightest gap is and work towards the more open gap. This allows the metal to expand and help close the gap.
“That’s not what she says “ I about blew milk through my nose. Thanks for the humor Wray. 😂
I’ve been watching Bad Chad, and I love his show and his vision, but the rough fabrication and slathering of body filler approach he uses is anathema to me. He says that “this is how it’s done in the custom car world”, and sadly, it’s probably true. At one time, skim coats of “Bondo” over the whole car was considered hackery. Still feel that way. Hard to get that out of your head. This is top-level work right here.
My rule is "designer's intent" no designer of a car sees bondo filler making his surfaces. Bondo work is corner cutting because of lack of budget or more likely lack of skills. Anybody can put frosting on a cake.
Bad Chad is too f'n much man. He's like watching a dude that's forever searching for his pencil and its behind his ear. Try this channel instead... th-cam.com/video/kaIrNzF5WSQ/w-d-xo.html
If you want every panel and gap perfect then filler of some kind is the only way to get perfection, because no cars panels line up perfect no matter who makes it
He wants to build it fast and if someone wants to build the CAR and is not a millionare, the bondo is the way to go. Especilly if the metal and paint is considered boring,
If the metal work is the central part of the build, then do it to the no bondo level.
The bondo is not the thing that chrink, its the high build primer that chrink over time. If the bondo crack, it can absorb water and you have to fix that.
I am not for the bondo way and think its better, dont in any way, but i dont want the ammont of bondo to stop some build being built. It is considered a good build to me even if it has bondo ontop of it. 99.9% of the builds in this world is done that way so no way around it.
Thank you for the tips. I have the latest miller welder that you can mig-tig-stick weld. I haven't tried tig welding yet, I used to gas weld. I have some Ron Covell videos on tig welding, I will be practicing tig welding this winter.
I would rather have a little spot Putty Them to fill any imperfection with primer even a scratch I love your videos keep them up I learned a lot from you
Ps the guys in “international scout owners” fb group posted this so you are helping 7000+ people whenever you post about scouts!!
Thanks, there will be a lot more Scout videos. I love Scouts. I have 5 and half of them. 800s and Scout IIs
I'm going to have to watch this a few times, there are so many great little tips hidden within. Thank you so much.
When I used my Miller Tig welder in my machine shop, during the winter the furnace blower would shut down the second I hit the pedal. LOL. Thanks for the video.
Great videos. I have a 69 Scout 800. These videos are very helpful! I'm excited to see you fix the mess behind the fender
Nice to see you back Wray!
Probably the hf start. A lot of electro rubbish is coming from a welder. Very nice video
Yes, once I clicked the on off button on the torch the wireless sound kicked out. Never did it before with the foot pedal.
Another awesome video, love the amount of detail you share, including personal preferences and the reason behind them it's invaluable, great to have you back Wray, thanks for sharing as always, it's greatly appreciated 👍
good to have you back
Good job, Mike!
Thanks Wray. That helps me a lot for my R-R roof project. Looking forward to the next metal finishing episode.
Mike
Hi Mike! Are you still in Germany?
@@proshaper Yes Wray I'm still in Germany. Eleven years so far. And I'm still working on the R-R. Most of the metalwork is done except for the roof which is a a real nightmare.
Perfect timing. Doing this on a model A with my own patch panels. Please show the grinding and finishing as well. Excellent as usual!
Wray, so glad your back. I have replaced ready-made patch panels with the same welding procedure. Tack, align, weld about an inch, watch the heat. It is slow but, you can keep things from getting out of control. problem I run into is I purchase patch panels that are the wrong material thickness. (you can guess where they come from). I have had much better luck with panels I fabricate from the correct thickness of material. A couple of thousandths makes a big difference. Make sure your panels are the same thickness. it pays to measure.
My best suggestion for tig butt welding sheet is to use the pulse function if your machine has it. Most do not but I find it really helps. Also I really enjoy the results from using a purpose built tungsten grinder, the electric "dremel" style with a diamond wheel and drilled guide holes. Must cleaner consistant results vs a stone bench grinder. I also like using pyrex glass shielding cups, size number 10. And my last tip is actually one Wray said during the class, use a cheater lens inside your hood!
DieselPunk Cummins - do you have a particular brand of Tungsten sharpener that you'd recommend?
Stay healthy Mark. Love the videos
I also had to upgrade to the chief line but mine has a composite body. The hf cheaper ones kept destroying themselves after a week of heavy use unlike the older versions. Been happy with the chief though
I really appreciate the details on every explanation, thanks!
I like your thoughts. I haven't done any metal working, just trying to learn at this point. All I've ever heard is that you've got to use Bondo. They've told me you'll never be able to do this or that without Bondo. I always wondered why you needed it when you can remove dents and whatnot. Your approach is what, in my mind at least, is the right approach.
After 20 years you might get good enough
Much prefer tig or even torch on thin sheet. Much better heat control.
It looked like you were trying to make a Faraday cage for the torch using aluminum foil when doing your TIG welding. FYI, it's important for a Faraday cage to be grounded to be effective. You would probably need to also shield the torch all the way back to the machine. The frequency of the welding can also be important, as is the operating frequency of of the bluetooth (I'm assuming) microphone. If the bluetooth's frequency is a multiple of the machine's frequency, it will strongly affect the signal of the microphone.
Thanks Wray excellent video very helpful.
Thank you for making this video! I do autobody restoration for a living but recently transitioned from mig to tig on all my panel work. Its going well but struggle with planishing the welds perfectly so I will be following! Thanks again.
Runge is an influential brand in coach building, any relation? Cheers!
@@Pedroisanickname I get asked that alot lol. I don't think he is related to me
Great Video.
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I would like 👍 to see two a week
We're going to try to make another video on Thursday, publish it on Friday.
No doubt about it you are a top class tradesmen, but most couldn't afford to pay 7 or 8 hours labour on this small panel repair , a bit of filler never hurt anything, and the cars from the fifties are full of lead which was the bog off the day
Wray, one more point. I use an SSC (same people who make the high quality foot pedals) "touch 4" hand control. It has four settings via 4 micro switches under the trigger. Takes a little practice, but you get 4 heat settings just by applying more or less pressure. Here's a vid: th-cam.com/video/ckg6rVeu8FU/w-d-xo.html
Very good presentation as always!
Wondering, what about welding from the backside and having the seemingly nicer weld bead on the front?
Thanks, JIM
The weld was perfect on the outside, it just needed a little grinding. If you fusion weld there is little or no bead to grind but you might have to fill a few divots.
@@proshaper Thank you for the reply, but you did not answer my question.
Thanks, JIM
The sound knockout will be due to the RFI generated at the electrical arc.
We figured that out. It never happened before when using a foot pedal.
Wray, Thanks for really informative and high quality video's. I Can I ask what current setting do you use when TIG welding 19g/20g steel.
30 to 40 amps if you are using a foot pedal. In this case with the on off button control, I think I had 35 amps for 19 gauge.
Many thanks Wray@@proshaper
Don't bother buying the harbor freight led I have had two, and both died in 6 months. I did really like them while they lasted. Hoping Coast or Stream light come out with one similar to the HF
I have been using Harbor Freight air tools for 30 years. Lots of failures with the lower price air tools, the new upgraded Harbor Freight air tools are excellent.
@@proshaper Yes they are hit and miss, I really wished the Led lights were better quality as I really like them.
Hey Wray, where do you find is the best place to get clamps for welding?
I like the vise grips Praxiar welding supply sells I think they are Chinese but they are excellent.
How long does tig take to master enough to do this ? Does it use the same gas that I use with my mig?
You can tig weld as good as I can after a few hours of practice if you have a steady hand and good eyesight. Once you try it you will never go back to a mig. I have two migs, I use them for structural welding only.
Would stitch welding decrease warping?
There is no way to weld sheet metal and not have some heat distortion. Once you fully understand how to correct any issues from welding sheet metal, distortion is not a issue. The main goal should be to learn how to correct any distortion.
Thanks Wray, what brand tig switch do you use?
The torch came with both the finger switch and the footpedal, it came with the Everlast welder.
@@proshaper You mentioned an upcoming video about welding in a patch panel without access to the back side. Several years ago during a chat session, a metalshaper by the named of Clive Ross from Australia mentioned a method of pre stretching the edge of both patch panels before welding. I have never tried it, have you heard of it? or tried it?
Hello, what gas do you use for tig? THANKS
I use and Argon/ Helium mix 50%/ 50%.
@@proshaper Thanks, Is it possible to weld with pure argon?
But how much AIR do those HF grinders use? That's my complaint with all HF air tools, they are air hogs compared with quality US made air tools. Don't know about "chief".
Hi Ken, I run my compressor at 150 PSI. All of the harbor Freight "Chief" brand tools are very good. They now have three price point/quality levels for some of their products.
@@proshaper Hi Wray, Thanks for the reply, I like that LED light. I mounted an el cheapo light on my helmet but it eats up batteries and isn't too bright - too far away from the weld I guess? Think I'll try one of those, look to be $30.