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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- Using basic mechanics knowledge, this video explains a tech you can use to maximize damage on dazed and stunned enemies. With this tech, you can deal as much damage as possible efficiently on those said enemy states.
Timestamp:
00:00 | Disclaimer
00:09 | Mechanics Introduction
01:32 | Maximizing damage on Dazed State
06:15 | Maximizing damage on Stunned State
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Topics:
Daze and Stun
Chain Attacks
Swap Mechanic
Reactive Assist
Counter Attacks
Maximize your Damage
Efficiently deal damage on dazed and stunned enemies
Pre-release gameplay
Tips and Tricks
Guide and Tutorial
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i have things to correct and add related to this and I explained the tech better in the new video, I also shared some of the other techs that is really useful if you know how to use them.
check the video here th-cam.com/video/ls6W5uSxEuc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=D_dpub_NNFK-jkGF
Just be careful because enemies can still "Happy Birthday" and "Merry Christmas" you for all you fighting game nerds.
Do they got stunlocked for that long?
Looking at you, mvci
Wow, I was quite familiar with these mechanics but seeing you go into them in depth like this made me learn more about them! This guide was easily understandable and in depth which I really love. Thanks for the amazing content as always and hope to see more of it when ZZZ releases!!
Man, the combat in this game may seem simple at first, but it actually has a lot of depth.
Easy to learn, hard to master
Even pokemon have so much in depth...it's just how you interpret it.
After i learnt how there was so much stuff going on in pokemon i just went to a simpler turn based persona or hsr
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Yet I see a lot of people saying "the combat is too shallow/easy compared to wuwa" and getting tired of it.. Just play that game then
@@thex4541Yeah, I find it actually quite hard to pull the Stylish Combo off. Sometimes you’re too focused and forget about combos. It is easy to learn but also have high skill ceiling. Hmm…. I wonder I heard that before. *cough* Devil May Cry
Anyway, you can button mashing to the end of the game is fine. Or you can be stylish and do more damage. A lot of people who gives out critic on the game combat doesn’t realized the potential of the Stylish Combat is. They said combat is too easy and water down version of Honkai. Then I tried to play and see. Sure, it’s way easier to learn stuff in ZZZ compare to Honkai, but god damn I can’t see the ceiling when I plays it. I felt like all Gacha characters in ZZZ have very high skill ceiling despite how simple it is.
WOw, such an indepth video. Great job.
Once again this video is very helpful 👍
Glad it was helpful for you! 🙏🏻
Thx, really good explanation and easy to understand. And no way this channel not 1k subs yet
Good stuff, except for the using swapping to extend the daze state
The longer you wait to trigger the chain attack during the daze state, the shorter the stun state is, have been testing this a lot myself (ik the vid is CBT footage so they might have changed it)
Which means you could have just done the chain attack immediately as soon as daze procs, then have way longer time to spend to wail on them stunned with your damage character
That being said, knowing how to not trigger the chain attack with the swapping is still great knowledge so you don't start it on the wrong character
@@Samosnighht its seems that it still works for me when I tested on Rally, the stunned state seemed in normal duration as well. i think its a matter of how fast you do the pre chain attack combo so dazed duration do not reduced much.
I might be wrong though, and need to test it properly. but thanks for the insight!
@@ilis_roa go into training and trigger the chain attack during daze immediately versus waiting till the last second of daze, the stun state will be drastically shorter
just did it again myself and can post a video
I'm almost certain both states share a timer of 15 seconds
as a further thing I just recorded myself triggering a chain attack and stun on two targets at the same time, but one had been dazed longer
the one that was dazed longer had a shorter stun state
@@Samosnighht that duration information is really useful, thanks for the correction man
This makes more sense, it seems too obvious to “abuse”. Shared timer makes more sense
Wow! Can't believe I'm doing already doing this! But still thanks now I know I'm not just doing random experimental stuff!
that last tip is so good
thank you for this!
Wow this mechanic tip actually improve my stun mechanic understanding and it's so simple. I first thought that taking long time in stun state would decrease time in daze state thx so much!! But if I were to go to such extent switching char for light atk before stun state end for that lil extra dmg I'd say nah I'll just mean your build still need lot more attention.
great explanation. heres a new sub. hope this channel gets big. cheers mate
i appreciate it!
thanks to goddamn koleda showing up twice in my pulls, i learnt about this a lot earlier than my friend
Thx useful info, keep going
Thanks!
I know there is an option to turn off immediately starting chain attacks, and being able to manually start it by holding the button longer if i recall?
I honestly dont know yet about this, thank you for mentioning it i'll try to look it up
That was in the first beta iirc, seems like it got removed
Eu não sei falar inglês e sempre sofro pra ver vídeos nesse idioma, mas os seus valem a pena!
Fico contente por ter sido útil para si, obrigado por ter assistido~!
This works, thanks men
would love a video exploring all the anomalies, especially Disorder
video about team building is on the work, it involves a little part about disorder. i will note down about anomaly explanation for next video, thank you for the suggestion!
Kelass 🔥🔥🔥
Truly wanted to focus on your video but Zhu yuan's gyaat surely diverted my focus😂..
man.. im having hard time editing the video as well LOl
Can you Cc chain? Ie: build up frost to x point, then daze, damage, apply last of frost for a freeze shortly after daze or is there an icd on cc?
There are no icd of anomaly from which I tested, you can make them go into the same anomaly right after the previous one ends. So yes, cc might still applied when you do chain attack
Yes there is an element icon now that shows the anomaly build up of the element. Ice and shock is good for this
@@thetruestar6348 Time to make a Shock Freeze team, then.
So we want to put our dps at the last slot so we change to them after chain attack? Pretty good video thanks for the info! 😁
Hey, genuine question here, is there a setting where the Bangboo goes/selectable first in the Chain Attacks sequence? Or changed after CBT3 to be selectable only at the last chain?
theres change in the release game, they always comes with the last agent. i notice they only showed up on boss type enemy chain attack, i might need to test more
@@ilis_roa I see, that sucks, I guess? From what I can see currently, triggering the Bangboo in the chain takes somewhat of miliseconds off the next character (if main DPS is part of the last attack chain it's [-]dps) so it might not be even worth it? Unless it's necessary for the anomaly build-up which is almost the main reason to have specific Bangboos' too begin with.
@@jdrm3710 hmm i guess youre somewhat right in case like the 2nd agent proccing buff or debuff, couple miliseconds will be wasted on bangboo instead of go directly to the last agent on chain attack
@@ilis_roa The best example I can give for now is my current team with Soldier 11. During the boss stun duration, I can fit ULT + Skill + 2 full string of Basic attack with the stun multiplier active, whilst using the Bangboo in the attack chain, the stun duration ends at the last part of her Basic attack string (which has the highest multiplier by the way) which ends half-way and does not benefit the stun dmg multiplier.
Talking about damage, DISORDER was dealing some crazy damage. Do you think we should still build our team around DISORDER even after the attacker’s build is set?
@@user-qv8tl8il5w disorder is very good and opens new way of building team around anomaly units. I will make a video about this next time along with team building guide
When you trigger chain attacks at the very last second of the Daze state, does it reduce the time of the Stun state?
I remember I had several cases when I couldn't finish all 3 chain attacks in time because the duration of Daze/Stun ended.
That is most likely the case of being late triggering the chain attack on dazed state, chain attacks happens throughout the dazed state period, the stunned duration state should be the same. Unless you were in hollow zero where there are modifiers affecting their durations and etc
The only thing that stops the daze duration is Freeze. Otherwise, it keeps going down at all time, even during an Ultimate (not counting the fancy cutscene before the actual Ult)
Yes, the idea of delaying the stun state is bad. You are better off going straight to chain, using your support, then chain assisting into your DPS. The daze state and stun state last the same amount of time, and stack together, it is roughly 12 seconds. So if you daze someone, and wait 10 seconds to stun them, the stun will only last 2 seconds. If you daze someone and stun them 1 second later, the stun will last 11 seconds.
Basically, do not delay the stun, go into chain and then choose whether you want to actually use chain attacks, or if you want to not so you can maximize your uptime. It is almost always beneficial to use a support and then instantly assist out your dps.
wait did you mention that light enemies trigger chain attack once, heavy enemies twice and bosses (the ones with a hp bar on hud) thrice so that you can chain support last with less confusion
@@lingeprune2373 i didnt mention that, maybe ill make it into different video. but you are correct about the numbers of chain attack on different enemies
The dazed state is the perfect time for your main attacker to use their ultimate, outside of that dealing normal damage is the more efficient way.
if you can activate buff or debuff before enemy being dazed then yes it is good to ultimate on dazed state
So if I’m doing a chain attack with a support on my team, I should save that for the final chain attack and then reactive assist with my dps? Then let’s say I’m not running a support character, I’d end the final chain attack with a dps instead?
@@RoppyToppy yes, if theres no support you can end the chain attack with the dps right away. its all good 👍🏻
you can check the new video in the pinned comment where i explained more about the benefit from support being the last chain attack if youre still confused
Is the damage truly higher if you use normal attacks during the dazed state instead of chains, what I understood from the tutorial of the game is that chain attacks have a higher multiplier than normal attacks meaning you'd always wanna use them when possible.
I saw a couple chinese streamers never trigger or swap from Ellen just doing her normal chains and was wondering why, guess your video answers that, but it does seem kinda weird that you'd rather attack with normals instead of triggering chainattacks whenever you can.
My questions might be really dumb, because I ask from a point of only taking the information I got from the game so far, hope its not too dumb to ask haha.
@@oniprincess thats not what I was trying to deliver, it seemed i had pretty messy explanation. what i meant in the video is that you can delay triggering the chain attack too soon by avoid hitting with heavy hit attack and use the swap to other agent and deal more light attack before you eventually hit them with heavy hit and trigger chain attack. Which mean you are dealing more damage throughout their dazed state duration
light hit doesnt mean you can only go with basic attack, ex special attack also have light hits if you paid attention to the video.
if you wanna see the actual use of this tech, you can go to my piper video and check the pinned comment for the timestamp
Does it actually work tho, because i feel like if you delay the “rainbow gauge” the “grey gauge” after you use chain attacks feels a lot shorter
Unless combined rainbow gauge length is longer than intended length?
@@yesno1085 you arent suppose to delay chain attack too long. but yes, it does. I'm working on a new video about it
So which part in the video that says there's something I shouldn't trigger?
Based on my understanding, don't trigger chain attack that will lead to stun phase because you're not utilizing dazed phase to do dmg to the fullest.
Instead, when enemies are in a dazed state, just do light attack until the dazed timer is close to end, when it almost finish, do the heavy attack to trigger chain attack, then triggering stun phase.
Really helpful video. Good to know that there is a bit more to the combat of ZZZ.
Any advice on meta pic for 1.0? Ellen vs Zhu Yuan.
@@sabotagge9155 Try to get Lycaon first, then Ellen is way to go since soukaku on her banner. Her team comp is really strong
@@ilis_roa I was thinking about the same, Im just worried that I want Miyabi (the fox girl) and she was an ice dps just like Ellen on CBT1.
Im not sure that a few extra light attacks are worth the extra time/focus. It's cool that it's an option though.
@@MrJdronin it might matter more than you think, the explanation will be in my next video i am working on. Might upload tomorrow if everything goes smoothly
I love all this. But do the bosses actually move and do they keep attacking?
@@user-kun2147 if youre trying to compare it with WuWa enemies then, I can say WuWa's enemies are more active than ZZZ's. This game has slower tempo because the difficulty lies on the numbers of enemies and the unavailability of a healer unit. Higher level enemies are more active and has more difficult attack pattern but they still less active and aggresive than WuWa's
I am already level 40 and there is a lot I do not know about yet
I still think that it would be better if we had the freedom to just choose a character with a number and call it a day :/, ty for the video, I'll use this mechanic as a blueprint since I hate the auto swap
"Wow this was so helpful!" Is what I WOULD have said if I didnt have the IQ of a dung beetle and couldnt understand anything in the video. Cool to watch though hopefully I understand eventually
i really wish the Ultimate meter is not shared to all 3 character and have it individualy, i mean sometimes i will just waste my ulti to my support or stunner just to see them use it, and in boss fight it is wise to use it on your dps, i mean why give them ulti when players wont really use it
Aren't the ults almost the same animation as the chain attacks? I think that's why there's a lower emphasis on ulting compared to other games.
Do ranged characters have damage dropoff in this game?
Not that I notice, I might need to test it more if they really have drop off
@@ilis_roa please do! I'd really like to know if a long-ranged playstyle is viable with characters like Grace, Billy or Zhu Yuan.
video is cool i learned a lot but damn the music is loud imo
i have the video in the background doing smtg else and i cant concentrate on wtf you're saying😥maybe it's just me tho
I'll try to adjust it better next time, thank you for the feedback!
Seriously tho, when I played ZZZ during people complains about the game have shallow combat when in reality, it designed to be easy to learn but have to master those combat in the long run. I bet people who complains about ZZZ have shallow combat are usually those who button mashing the whole game. When in reality it is actually how to use the right combo for the right damage. Sometimes you have to parry to pull off combos. After playing the game till Lv20 I have to say, I felt like the combat has higher skill ceiling than I expected. Sure, it is simple. But it does takes a lot of timing and right combo in certain characters.
8:18 You're not dealing more damage here. You're trading your DPS' chain attack for their quick assist + your support's chain attack. Taking a look at multipliers, quick assists deal significantly less damage with chain attacks often dealing 3-5x more damage than quick assists.
thats not the thing i tried to deliver, you are misunderstanding my whole point of the setup since you are looking specifically at some part. I could be wrong or maybe my deliverance are bad, but your take is important either way. so thank you for the feedback!
I believe the idea is, you use your DPS' chain attack, then a support chain attack, then a DPS' assist tag in. In a triple chain you'd do the same thing but with a secondary dps so basically just end it on the support again and tag in your main dps with the assist.
For single chain attacks go straight to your dps, unless you want to use a specific ability to gather enemies, such as Nicole's chain assist, or you want to inflict stun on an adjacent target. This usually wont matter though because those enemies generally die in one stun combo regardless.
For example, you have Anby, Nicole, Nekomata. You stun the enemy with Anby and trigger a chain assist, you chain in Nekomata, then you chain in Anby, then you chain in Nicole, you then assist tag back out Nekomata. The only downside to this is Nicole does do defense shred so it might be better to end on Nekomata, so Nicole, Anby, Nekomata.
@@ilis_roaThe main thing I was criticising is the footage at that point of the video. Nicole started the chain, into Anby, then back into Nicole - quick assist onto ZY which misses ZY's chain attack.
@@Manslayer2009I do get his idea but the example you provided does get tricky with Nekomata's passive giving dmg% on quick assist.
As someone using her, I've just decided on using her chain attack without the debuff, prioritising on activating her passive at the end of the chain so that there is a smooth transition to her ex special and ultimate so that both benefit from the damage from her passive. It might be wrong, but it is what I'm doing on my chains currently.
The music is too loud and can't hear sh*t sadly
@@AleeWiksa ill make sure to check it next time!
TL:DR the game is fun, just spam and have fun
@@craboo0 LOL just have fun, exactly!
So basically 9 minutes of what's already in the tutorial. A true waste of your damage is not using the ult of an attacker during the stunned state.
Feel free to give a feedback if it isnt that useful to you, I am just sharing my knowledge and experience into this video 👌🏻
Since when did the tutorial ever go in depth with any of this stuff?
@@naurhank7103 Play the tutorial and you'll find out. I played the beta and from watching this video, nothing new was learned.
So basically brainrot comment.
@@senelclark101 not sure why people getting mad about facts, but ok. Title is misleading.
9 minutes to over complicate an incredibly simple system.
@@JayZenVII thanks for the feedback