Kardashians, Madonna, the Queen, and a Culture of Narcissism, with Andrew Sullivan
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- Megyn Kelly is joined by Andrew Sullivan, founding editor of The Weekly Dish, to discuss the cultural narcissism displayed by celebrities like Madonna and the Kardashians, the contrast to how Queen Elizabeth was portrayed in the media, being okay with aging, and more.
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There doesn't seem to be anything humbling in posing and parading adorned in jewelry and being bowed to. For humility, look into Mother Theresa and Albert Schweitzer, real humble, selfless service and agape love in action type of people.
YOU are right on target with Kim and that family @megynkelly
Meghan should know the I just feel wild about harry is created by Eube Blake a black American pianist song writer who broke down barriers for black artists in his time . His parents were former slaves . Also.that song was done by an all black cast on on Broadway it was a very first for that era
@@sereneserena8 - Mother Theresa, wasn't exactly a great person, tbh.
She a real life Barbie 🦋
Narcissism is the real pandemic
It is the essence of third Wave Feminism.
There seems to be an awful lot of them, or are we more aware now?
My thoughts exactly BJ
Wow. So true.
Absolutely!!!!
Queen Elizabeth was once interviewed and asked how she sees herself. Her reply, "I see myself as a servant." What a role model.
World's richest servant
I know she meant serving her people, but in practice she never served anyone, she had endless servants herself, ladies maids, cooks, chauffeurs, secretaries, hairdressers, etc… to say she was a servant is an insult to all the women and men who spend their entire lives looking after other people in very difficult circumstances at the expense of their own needs and happiness.
Lmfao. She got you fooled
@@lizdavies264 exactly
Who is our master our god who killed humans during the flood and thecten plagues of egypt
Narcissistic people are literally EVERYWHERE. I've noticed a rise of this personality disorder as well. It's very disturbing.
Agree, yet they act like they are just queen, or too nice and too kind, or coz they are smart or successful so others are jealous of them 😬 I think they mistook self-love and self-respect with mean, ultra-selfish and self-serving bias. I couldn't help but link and correlate narcissism with silliness and self-delusional.
Funny how some prople are ‘so great’ at identifying and calling-out supposed ‘narcissistic’ people.
Hm.
Wonder what that could mean?
@@ecr-9341It could mean that they are projecting their own covert narcissism or it could be that they are just a good judge of character. Depends on context.
My grandmother had the most gorgeous wrinkles because she was a happy woman. She smiled genuinely much of the time. Her wrinkles were a map of that. She was gorgeous, natural looking, and I never heard her berate her appearance. She was a great role model. It was her spirit that gave her beauty. That kind of beauty can never be bought. This reality-phobia that he speaks of is spot on.
Beautiful 😍
😊
Bring back wrinkles, jowels and turkey necks. They are natural and beautiful because of that fact.
You chose the right word there Elizabeth. She was GORGEOUS. It is entirely different because it does not rely on a contemporary interpretation of beauty. It is about the personality-- something that most 'celebrities' seem to be entirely lacking.
I bet your grandmother was absolutely ravishing. But what does that have to do with what someone else chooses to do with their body and appearance? Why do we judge others for that. I'm not a fan of the Kardashians. Not by a long shot. But I don't get the hate for Madonna and how she's choosing to age how she wants. It's extreme but Madonna's never been known for subtlety.
“Fame is the most overrated thing in our civilization.” Amen to that!
Kiddos ❤
yeap, followed by 'philanthropy'.
100%🎉
I think it could be a curse to be famous when you are young.
I would never want to be famous rich yes but not famous😂
I feel hopeful with the reaction the crowd gave to Kim Kardashian. This family is despicable. They’ve destroyed young women for more than 20 years. I think it’s time for a massive revolution against them.
E! network and now Hulu definitely hold some blame. Kardashian family self-promotion on media is big but these networks keeping the series going when it should have been 3 to 5 seasons and done. If the Kardashians were to be canceled by Hulu, it would say a lot and begin to turn a corner especially for young girls and impressionable young people.
AGREED 👍
@@kellysnyder1405 agree!!
So we should burn these women on stake when it's US the WHOLE SOCIETY who built them? Does it really need to be always women who are blamed and hated for everything, yet it's us who are supposed to always look good. What can we do anymore?
keep dreaming you are delusional
Im 61 years young, grateful to be alive, ive earned my laughing, crying,frowning ect lines. Ive had my prime days and have no desire to look like my daughters..substance,intelligence,confidence and love for life has replaced my outer beauty. Faith and empathy for others gives u so much🥰🥰
believe it or not I went to a plastic surgeon for a consult when I was about 50, he said no, and pointed out, the lines forming and said this is your life, do you want to erase all you experienced ?come back when your 60, I never did, love that man,
I am 68 now and I have always tried to look my best and always dyed my long hair dark auburn but the older I got it didn’t make me look younger just made it look more fake so me and my sister “who also has long hair” decided to go gray together about 6 years ago. My hair has never been more beautiful and full! It’s naturally streaked in beautiful shades of dark and light gray and down to my waist now I LOVE IT! Just always try and look your best naturally
❤❤❤
I’m 56 with hair down to the bottom of my butt. I was just telling my husband that I’ll always have long hair. Somehow people think they have to cut it when they reach a certain age. I’m glad you and your sister haven’t caved in.
It's hard to let it go gray with dark hair. I want to let it go gray because it's EXPENSIVE to color and highlight. I just can't get there with half white and half brunette hair 😩
She said: “So, I believe the reason they booed Kim Kardashian is because the country’s getting sick of narcissistic, vain, self-promotional, ‘rules do not apply to me’ type of people.” YES, and not just your country! I've ALWAYS hated this behavior on social media and it truly has become a pandemic. It's why Instagram makes me vomit, for example. These girls state in their Instagram that they are "models", simply because they make selfies with a cellphone and showing excessive skin. They behave incredibly arrogant and entitled too. It's all about empty appearances to them. What's on the inside does not count.
Really, what do these creatures contribute to society? NOTHING!
EXACTLY 👏🏻 this is WHY I HATE Instagram and don’t go on it’s all FAKE they call themselves MODELS MORE like ESCORTS I’ve noticed! plus I’m SICK of every girl wanting/OR looking like KIM K I’m SO over it!
...Nothing other than perhaps to attract viewers based on looks and an illusion to be "healthy ".
Exactly!
It would be a better world if everyone deleted Instragram and Tik Tok. You will be happier talking a walk outside looking at nature.
It has to do with her lying about the sextape! She signed the contract but blamed RayJ and for the last 15+ years ppl thought he was a bad guy, it was Kims moms idea, Kris watched the videos & had them shoot a 3rd video! Kim signed the contract for the sex tape with vivid, Kris was on a late nite show a few weeks ago & took a fake lie detector test & once again acted as if RayJ sold the tape on his own! RayJ went live on IG & showed the world kim signed the contract, showed the messages between Kim kris & RayJ, it also showed Kim & Kris DELETING the messages to him while he was live! So that family continues to use Black ppl for money! Kim wanted Kanye committed so she cld get control
Of his music catalog! When she couldn’t do that in Montana she flew back to LA & filed for divorce & has tried to keep his kids from him! The Kardashians are horrible ppl!
When Kim turned up in Marilyn’s dress at the Met Gala for me that was the final nail in her coffin!
How about when she ripped it?
Didn't even fit her! Next she will run for President
@@brendakoch501 Wow! against Ye and MM no doubt.
@@auntiesmarket4334 The getto backside didn't work in that circumstance.
TOTALLLLLLY
He's so right about this narcissist culture we live in now. It's all about selfies, look at me, me, ME! I'm the most important person on earth. Don't care about anyone but yourself. The self promoting, the phoniness, the self absorption. Young people are being brought up in this depressing culture and it's making them mentally unstable, comparing themselves to their Facebook friends constantly. No wonder suicide, depression and drug abuse is so pervasive.
I can't take it anymore. Wish I could go back to the 70's/80's generation (when I was a kid). Life seemed so simple looking back at it now. I don't like what this world has become.
And you NAILED it !!!
I really appreciate this! This is long overdue and I’m so happy we are all calling this out and equalizing power, beauty standards, and abundance for more people ❤
This topic is so long overdue!! Thank you for speaking for people like me who are so over these entitled jerks!!
Dis they mention Trump also?
@@pdcdesign9632about your apparent TDS? Nah
Some people need to bring up Trump everywhere they go... Is Donald Trump your ex lover or something, @@pdcdesign9632? Move on, dude.
Yep makes me wonder why Ms Megan didn't pin her colors to the mast 13 years ago.
@@misterwallace3479 He's the biggest fucking narcissist in the fucking world. I would put Megyn Kelly, host of the Megyn Kelly show, featuring a picture of Megyn Kelly at the beginning, on the list too.
When I'm 60, I'd rather just look like a 60 year old than look all weird.
60 year Olds look great when you care for yourself. That's why it's called growing old gracefully.....Linda carter..Jaclyn smith..look at our men... so handsome...60 is the new 40
Me too. People having so much work on their faces when they're only in their 20s. I think it ages people and makes them look like clowns.
Madonna, the female Michael Jackson
My mom is the same age as Madonna and still looks really good, without having any plastic surgery. My mom does what Megyn does: she gets a little Botox injected every 4 months, and she also does different laser treatments, takes very good care of her skin, exercises 4x per week, and never smokes or drinks alcohol. So you can still look great in your 60s without plastic surgery.
Amen! I just saw a women at the store late 60's with a missionary badge in Stretch Pants. I could see her cellulite through the fabric! She was thin but trying too hard to be young again.
I'm so glad someone is talking about this. Extreme narcissism is endemic in the U.S. and seriously leading to the hatred in this country. Everyone thinks they are the center of the universe (like Kim K.) and anyone who disagrees with -or differs from - them is the enemy. Kim K. and Madonna are really depressing because they have butchered themselves in the quest for so-called perfection. BUT, Madonna is not wearing a wig in that video - it's her own hair but dyed pink.
You nailed it, you nailed it!!
So glad now someone is talking up about this. Thanks Megyn ❤
Biiggest narcisist ever
Andrew Sullivan has my boundless respect🙏
He is a brilliant writer with an artful command of the English language.
I teared up when Andrew spoke about the Queen’s immense self control, humility,and sense of duty. Our society needs these values ASAP!
Agree with you 100% 😭🙏🏽🌹
Same!!
Yup
oh Lord that's media turning the royal institution into fairy tale again. she was a queen at a time where the native people would hang and be executed in their own countries across her former colonies.
Don' t buy into this late media frenzy!
30 years ago my mother said to me "This is the me generation. Everything is about me - me - me!" And she was so right. Ironically all this just reflects is miserable - depressed - and unhappy people. Like he said Madonna was amazing in her time but now she looks like a circus act. The shock value she introduced to us doesn't work when you are in your 60's. It's a different world. She needs to work on projects behind the scenes - bow out with grace - and wear classy age appropriate outfits. The pressure of fame and celebrity is way over rated and it's even more depressing knowing that none of them are at peace with themselves and live in this weird reality. Great conversation Megyn!
Before I came to Jesus Christ, I was a slave to the narcissist world view. I always felt like I couldn’t keep up. I had to buy the nicest things, look the best all the time, constantly seek validation, and yet I felt so empty. Now I’m a born again Christian and I’ve left that superficial life. I feel so free now. It’s something that I can’t even fully describe. I’m so grateful that I no longer am influenced by this broken world.💖
How come some Christian communities and suburbs in America are some of the most vain and “outwardly beautiful”?
@@bperez8656 Because they haven’t been Born Again. As a Christian you are valuable because of Christ. Superficiality only leads to more sin. There’s nothing wrong with taking care of yourself but the Bible says that focusing on your appearance too much can become idol worship. Idolatry is a sin against God and will keep you from the presence of the Lord.
@@Romans6_23 have a word with Megan kelly then
Andrew Sullivan is one of the most brilliant insightful individuals out there and needs far more airtime
"With the eyes that are furiously open," said Andrew.
"Hahahahaha!!!" laughed I.
@Grandmaster Key Lime Pancake That's his only good trait.
I agree. What a decent man!
Can you recommended something he's written to a first-time viewer of his? I see he's written a lot of books(so I don't know where to start lol) and I LOVED what he said here so I want to know more. Thank you!!
Literally never heard of him. But I suppose that speaks to his point, and his desire.
You cant go on social media without the Kardashians being shoved down our throats. Its sickening. Give someone else a chance.
A time will come when she will realize she can no longer keep up . Smh
Kloe follows me ..and gee looking more and more like me🤣💯💫💫💫
@@zannaglive3645 Thats a shame.
@@abitofeverythingbynastassi6273 Its coming.
Everytime I go down this path of being judgy what other people do with their faces and bodies...I think of Dolly Parton. She just owns her choices and image and remains kind, giving, and down to earth.
My 20 year old niece has had her cell phone glued to her hand for years. She won't stop checking Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. Constantly comparing her life and looks to that of people she's never even met. She's been on suicide watch way too many times for one who hasn't even lived life yet. Depressed, mentally unstable. No goals in life, no purpose, no aim. Living in her car, can't hold a job. But that cell phone is glued to her hand. She's on social media for hours and hours every day. Like her life depends on it.
😢💔 I truly feel grateful I didn’t grow up in this new generation and my heart cries for our children these days they are not living real lives and it’s really not their fault
That's so very sad, I wonder what her parents are like?
I believe all the Kardashians and Jenner's are too far gone with Vanity and believe that they are still believing that they are trend setters. To me they dress up for Halloween every day.
The funny thing young girls are thinking that they have to look perfect and if not it causes self esteem.problems depression if they think they're not fitting the trending beauty standards
Well said, vivi
they are "THE ADAMS FAMILY".
@@debeenanderson6834 I don't live in California my brother's do. They both said the mother's are actually getting Boob jobs for their teenage girls and wearing so much makeup. I live in a busy big city Houston and after visiting California I noticed how much makeup mother's day daughter's were wearing. The mother's were trying to dress as young as the daughter. I have many friends and asked them about getting Boob jobs make up. They mostly laughed because their daughter's were infatuated with Kylie's makeup. I took my daughter right before turning 16 to a makeup artist. She showed her the colors to use on her eyes and never clump eye lashes. My daughter had thick eyebrows and she waxed them. She actually called me from school and thanked me. She was noticed! Every since she has gone to the same makeup artist. She said they are noticing me because I look real. Thank goodness I did this before turning 16. Now she is in good cleanser. I feel lucky. After a few visits to her uncle's and they visited Hollywood, San Francisco and San Diego she noticed lots of makeup and she said kids with Boob jobs showing very low tight tops.
😂
A perfect role model for aging is none other than Monica Bellucci or Paulina Porizkova. Monica was gorgeous when she was young and is now aging in a beautifully natural way but at the same time showing that beauty is not forever and what matters is to accept it and be grateful. Aging sucks but we all know that no matter what we do we're still going to bite the dust in the very end.
You might rethink Paulina P. After investigating a bit, I found she is a supreme narcissist ... particularly after what she did to Rick Ocasek.
yet they still feel compelled to publicly pose to show off their bodies...
Ha they are a bunch of rich women anyone can age well if they have loads of money.celebrities are no role models
Paulina is amazing!!! My fav.
@@dm-jf5uu You are missing the point. There are plenty of Instagram "influencers" pumped with botox and filters on top of that, have no real money but millions of followers. Monica Bellucci is the epitome of natural beauty. She shows that a very beautiful woman can age naturally, look her age, no plastic surgery, looks after herself, and be ok with wrinkles and the gravity that does not forgive the face or other parts of the body. You don't need to have loads of money to be healthy and age well, that is the idea you put in your head with the help of social media and the internet. People have looked after themselves before in remote places and somewhat managed to look even better than what we do today ;).
I grew up in the 70's and 80's. I've never been so proud of my age and what knowledge I've accumulated in those years. Yeah we wanted to be just like our idols, but we knew who we are, we knew that that was a fantasy, we had to be what we currently saw in the mirror and live life the way we knew how to live. I've also survived a worldly disastrous issue such as Aids, drug addiction, depression/anxieties, bulling (when it wasn't a well known thing) and not to mention race wars, terrorists etc. Though it all, I had to remember who I was, I had to live and deal with the realities of life, all without therapy or medications. I'm still dealing with issues today but I deal with it face on and stronger. Never having to take my own life.
You are right, what a bright example of values, humility, service and dedication Queen Elisabeth is!❤️
I was having an in-depth conversation with my 17 yo daughter on the lead up yo her psychology exam. We were discussing parenting and the affect of children only being positively praised and not being made to be accountable for their behaviour growing up to be narcissists. I work with two narcissists and they cause havoc. I feel we need a huge swing back to some old school parenting and values to change this.
@@Diana-yn2ho They ARE special and unique. But they have no self-esteem at all and feel unworthy, and therefor they try to prove the whole world wrong. This is nearly the definition of narcissism.
@Tee Mac Totally with you on that.
Diana, boys have been narcissistic for decades so let the girls be!
@@mentaldisease5193 not everyone is special and unique. That's part of the problem. Everyone today gets a participation medal for just being alive. You have to work and earn to be special. Part of the problem is that every girl has been told they deserve the world and everything they desire. Go on any dating site and you'll see average, overweight girls with nothing to offer except their vagina, yet they demand a man who's 7ft tall, a millionaire with the body of a Greek god and the face of a model. That's why people are the loneliest they've ever been. Women's expectations are incredibly unrealistic, and most men can't even come close to matching it, so men are just either staying single or dating whoever's left. Social media and third wave feminism has convinced women they deserve everything, when all it's done is failed women entirely by lying to them.
@@Lovegun. I AM on a dating site and I can confirm what you say. Maybe I should clarify my statement. They are special and unique, when they are born. School and imposed social behavior and authorities make them what they are today. Indoctrination, crazy theories and false history affect everyone who is exposed to it for years. But if you can see under the skin, there are lots of insecurities and fears. This is not normal behavior for young people. It should only be during puberty when hormones are going crazy anyway. These people have been insecure all their lives and guilt has been instilled in them. And because of that, they have a tremendous lack of self-esteem. THAT leads to them having all the negative mannerisms you mention. Sure, it happens to most of us all, but today it has taken on unprecedented proportions. This is going on for decades.
Ughhhh ... as for Madonna, she's at least 15 years beyond the prime of her career. When you look back at it, most of it was about exploiting sex and her obsession with self centeredness and superficiality.
I liked her music. I agree with you though about the whole message she has put out. Plus she takes herself so seriously. It's like get over yourself. Human just like everyone else.
What is wrong with sex. You exist because of it.
15 years? i'd say more 30 years past her prime career.
15 you mean 80 she is self loathing
@@bigceazer21 I'm sure she is STD riddin
All so true: I think one reason why so many were moved by the Queen’s death is that she reminded them of a less superficial/materialistic, kinder & ethical, more self-sacrificing time
No American leader has nor ever will reach Queen Elizabeth II’s toes. The maturity, grace, sophistication, and elegance that only the queen has shown is unmeasurable. I can’t think of one president or politician that has ever come close to someone like Queen Elizabeth II. She will forever be missed. 😢
"...they're not faces they're masks..." The more you think about that one statement the more profound it becomes.
True mask
Megyn Kelly’s mask is also becoming quite plastic. Just saying.
@@fillipfrance7403 at least she looks good tho
From the time my granddaughter was 11 years old, the K Family influenced her through even as a senior in high school as all her friends were possessed with selfies and "likes" and cosmetics and sexual clothes. Girls ditched school to be in line when Kylie opened her cosmetic store in California. Their parents supported it thinking it was no big deal. I feel the K Family has ruined self-image and lifestyle for GenZ
Agree
If girls skip schools to buy expensive cosmetics then its must been very easy to pass exam and get a good job without much effort in states. We as Asian kids can't even think about it. Here people can loss a college seat or a good job for 0.01 marks.
We could say that about anyone Jayne Mansfield, Marilyn Monroe, Madonna, The film Rockey Horror picture show. Elizabeth Taylor and her cosmetic surgery. Unfortunately, it's not society's issue to instill your family's moral values of self worth ect. If that's the case we are all screwed!
Spot on! So glad that someone has actually addressed this. Thank you so much!
Congratulations dear Megyn for your excellent TH-cam show. ❤ Finally someone brave like you, speaking with knowing and intelligent. Also bringing up important issues like values and family, that the society worldwide has been losing since the past 30 years, changing that for money, vulgarity, superficially and decadence.
Kardashian is teaching her daughter that her self worth comes from her body and by instagram likes. Instead she should be teaching her worth comes from her creator and how we serve others.
Yes they talk about women being exploited by men but all their time and energy is put into Plastic Surgery, Botox and selfies and how to attract men with money who can help them with the costs of keeping young. We need to be teaching our daughters that life is wonderful and that using your brain and your abilities to become someone who benefits the human race by their deeds not by how many selfies, or appearances on game shows, or being famous for being seen with rich men
@K Mcy. Amen!!🙏
That’s not true you know
Amen!
Can’t wait to see what those kids are going to turn into
I’m 71 and I would much rather have people say, “she looks great for her age” than “ her face is frozen and she looks like an alien.” No thanks. You can have the surgery, I’ll stick with God’s plan.
I enjoyed this conversation between these two people so much. There was such a sincerity in this whole approach to life. Just to state the facts, because they are facts. People sometimes mess up their appearance it becomes an obsession. I mean there uis no harm in trying to look good, but rather try to enjoy the life that is given to you.
Well said about the queen, always a lady, never did she give up on her duties, her whole life was an example to many. Thank you guys.
This was a great conversation, I'm in agreement with the plastic surgery message. During quarantine, several in my friend group used their "stimulus" funds (and free time with no work) and went down to Mexico to get plastic surgery... I was so, so tempted, too, but I'm generally ok with my decision not to.
Wow. The stimulus money huh..
Fun Fact´ Kim Kardashian tried to get into the UK palace and they refused to let her in. lol
The Picture of HMTQ holding out her hand to greet Liz Trust our New Prime Minister with a beaming smile on her face..whilst she must have been in so much pain ..the day before she Died ..That is Service....
Also, there is nothing wrong with beauty, with complimenting beauty, it’s when it becomes a fixation or perfectionism and narcissism. We need to compliment and enjoy our *unique* beauty
and what exactily would that be
Thanks Megyn, you’re so right. We’re sick of it!
I am a electrical test engineer that tests offices all over the UK. When I began my career in the 1990's every desk had photos of the persons family, pets, or locations across the world they had visited. Now when I visit an office all I see are pictures of themselves on their desks.
I've had that conversation with family & friends for years. That describes many of my female co-workers cubicle walls for the past 10 years or so. Not so much the men, they have a variety of interests. Sports, movies, toys, etc. What's even more cringe worthy is when I see people open their phones and there is a lone picture of that person staring back at themselves, no spouse, partner, kid(s), friend, dog, etc. Just brings to mind Narcissus of Greek mythology, who was in love with his own image reflected in a pool of water. Just a whole lot of people obsessed with their own image. True narcissists.
I refer to them as selfie indulged.
Wow. Insightful. Makes one think.
Madonna, Kim Kardashian etc. represent ego/narcissism on steroids. Unfortunately they have huge audiences, many of whom cannot see beyond the superficiality of what they represent. But I think the tide is turning and the booing of KK is perhaps a sign of same. We can only hope! Madonna is embarrassing herself, sad! Likely she is struggling mentally and will continue to refuse to grow old gracefully. I agree with Andrew, these people are not happy and are to be pitied.
KARMA!
I won't pity anyone who has loads of money.
@@JW-kh9bm ????? Jealous or what ?
They don't know God. They think they are Gods. Some day it will be too late for them. They live superficial lives that don't matter. You have to feel feel bad for their kids. KIds are only objects to them. Othwerise, if they truly loved theor kids, they wouldn't behave like they do and be such poor examples for them.
Madonna had/has talent.
Go girl love your podcasts. Love the stories and especially how you present them. Thank you Megyn love from Durban South Africa xxx
I just love the way Megyn explains everything. Totally agree
Megyn you nailed the huge problem created by the Kardashian’s. Narcissism and materialism to the millionth degree. I have no issues with success but these people’s desire to flaunt wealth and owning six million pairs of shoes, different cars for each day and endless clothing is truly distasteful.
It's not the death if the queen, most of us have noticed this extreme narcissistic society for a long time now.
Exactly
In the UK it seemed start with a number of fairly privileged people we had never heard of who became famous for saying unutterably stupid things that showed they were out of touch with reality. That was long before reality shows and such like garbage appeared.
@@petegarnett7731 I hated when reality shows began couldn’t stand them I agree that really is when the narcissism starting taking off exponentially
Bravo, Megyn for speaking up.
Megynnie is one ☝️
This is an absolutely fantastic interview! Extremely well-said and on point. So refreshing to hear wisdom. Thank you 🙏
Losing the beauty of youth is a price that one pays for more time. The most valuable currency of them all!! In so many cultures and societies, old age has been and is revered. I think it's disgusting how deranged our collective attitude towards the elderly is as though there's not a good chance we won't find ourselves there one day.
best comment on this entire thread by far
So well said. Grace and service are understated virtues.
Yes and we ignore those who do it, the ordinary people getting no money or perks or credit for doing so. We do forget that.
Grace might be my fav word. ❤
oh yeah this is a wonderfully virtuous conversation gossiping about people you don't like virtuous
I remember a lot of celebrities yrs ago when asked "have you met Kim Kardashian" and they all said "Kim who? What has she accomplished in this business? What movie was she in?" I remember when Hollywood snubbed the family. They should have continued to snub them.
what a great interview. So much wisdom from Mr. Sullivan!
Madonna doesn’t look at all like herself. She looks like a completely different person! I want to age like the queen. REAL!
If you're sick of all the media, and glamorizing of all of these narcissistic characters, stay out of social media, don't follow these tick tock, twitter, and Facebook and any other insta-poop social network sites, where all that matters is what you put out there for people to see. It is not the real world. Turn it all off, and connect with real people, get together and spend time with friends, family.
Well said
Yes well said I agree completely
I'm afraid that type of life disappeared after the 80s it's just gone me, me obsessed ever since.
This is wonderful thanks for the great chat, couldn’t agree more
I absolutely loved this, thank you
Madonna to me was an icon and inspired women to be strong, explorative and vocal. Look at Express Yourself. What a message! Today I think she’s absolutely bonkers and tragically clinging on to youth. Sad how lost she is.
So true. It's sad how out of touch with reality She is
@@annetteurdaneta5687 What is more punk/ controversial than being a 60 year with a body that rivals a 30 yr old? She still releases art that is a social commentary on power. Madame X (she released in 2019) was art. I can see ppl thinking what she is doing is cheap. But many ppl love to put Madonna in a box. Go view her interviews with Letterman, she was never about conforming to your ideal of convention.
It appears u put Madonna into a box. Go listen to Human Nature, and tell me she has changed. She is the same as she has always been. Unaffected by ppl's opinion about what femininity is. She is complicated, most artists that produce noteworthy art & have something to say are in fact complicated. The worst thing is now she is being compared to talentLESS stains like the Kardashians that have done nothing good in this world.
@@jonathanse8977 I do think your missing the point here my friend. Nobody is slating Madonna for her artistry, but her statue in society that is clearly representing facial dysmorphia to young influential fans. The bigger message here is the influence these celebrities have on our children. Madonna has and always been controversial which is why we love her. She aces that. But if you look at how much she’s damaged her face and body - she’s been very hard on both throughout her career - mainly body through intense and extreme exercise, now her face. Society really needs to return to what we have be grateful for instead of always wanting more or what someone else has. Happiness comes from within and if these celebs were truly content, they would age gracefully.
@@Curlymcgurk That is a fair point, Madonna is responding to the beauty standards of the day. Plastic surgery has definitely become a psycho-pathaology & we shouldn't be valuing it like we do in society today.
But something to note. Artist's go on journey's in life to discover inspiration, look at how many journey's Madonna has gone on over the yrs.
Have u heard Madame X she released in 2019? It's art.
Take me back to the 60’s and 70’s! 😩
I’m coming with you !! Halcyon years x
Natural beautys
I totally agree. Thank you Megyn for taking your platform to speak thereof
George Orwell: "By The Age Of 40, Everyone Has The Face They Deserve." Truer words have never been more spoken.
I just wish Madonna would grow up and realize she is no longer 21 yrs old! Its embarrassing! She looks ridiculous and acts ridiculous!! For heavens sake!
That's the problem they can't and she thinks she looks good because her minions to scared to tell her otherwise.
I bet she looks better than you.)
Yup, we are soooo tired of narcissism. Very tiresome.
God bless you both. Thanks Megyn. 🕊
I remember a local celebrity know for her gossip talk show once said "there is great strength in saying whay you feel". The Queen reminded me how there is much greater strength and discipline that comes with keeping fivolous things in.
Cher looks like a cartoon character but her 90 something year old mother is gorgeous
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Megyn Kelly listens intently. This is the core reason she is able to stick to conversation like a train on tracks. She is not perfect by any means, but is someone for whom sincerity for moment of interaction matters.
Well said. Great observation for people who love to stay on topic
You are so right. I was never Meghan K. fan, especially how she treated President Trump in one of the presidential debates, but I’ve come to like and watch her shows. She’s always patient, smart, and very informative.
WOW!! I LOVE YOU Megyn Kelly. I completely agree with EVERYTHING you and Andrew have said. Hi from Australia.
Thank you for this topic!
In consideration to the booing of Kim K, I think you have to consider where she was and the interests of the people in the stands… bring her to a rap concert or some Hollywood club and she’d be praised like royalty 🤮 not booed. I wish the booing would trigger something within her to seek help but nothing will change. It just keeps getting worse with tick tock etc. it’s disgusting
What do you think she should be so she can please everyone
@@jescaanatory6121 a better human being. A less Vain human being. A better role model to our children. She deserves to be booed.
@@jescaanatory6121 I agree 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
"They're just haters cause they wanna be me."
@@D-Fens_1632 who are you talking about? I do not strive to be anything like Kim. Not everyone thrives for those kinds of lives. Sorry
I would be horrified if my daughter looked up to the kind of Kim Kardashian and megaliar.
I am so HAPPY I found this channel!!!!
Breath of fresh air Megyn! ❤
I noticed the photo of the crucified Christ behind Mr. Sullivan. Humility. Sacrifice. Service. Truth. Love. The Queen never forgot who she was truly serving.
Good Observation ☝️
What did Jesus sacrifice?
His life
If you honour Jesus don't have a crucifix of him(would you have a photo of a beloved beheaded in an accident?)
@@Fullyautomagic Morning, Dylan. Jesus was not just the Messiah for Christians, but a historical figure. It's best you seek to answer this question yourself with an open mind and heart. Read C.S. Lewis, Henri Nouwen, The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel, The Cost of Discipleship by Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Jesus Before Christianity by Albert Nolan and of course, the New Testament.
Good luck, Dylan. Thank you for responding to my comment.
"There's nothing tragic about being fifty. Not unless you're trying to be twenty-five." Joe Gillis - Sunset BLVD
Norma Desmond was deluded and narcissistic and mentally frail, past her prime, the studio only wanted to borrow her car for a film and she was thinking her glory days were going to be revived up to the end, ready for her close-up. I love the movie. It's relevant in 2022!!!
Thank you for saying what we are ALL THINKING!!!!
You guys are great.I will now watch Megyn more regularly.I’m sold
I like this conversation, people should talk more about this on talk shows
True overdue
Candace Owens is amazing too. Can’t get enough of her and Megyn.
I'll go first. 3 raging narcissists DONALD TRUMP, Herschel Walker, Tucker Carlson. But that would require deep introspection.
Love this conversation! The selfie taking, self- obsessed social media culture reminds me of the scripture...in the end times, people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud.
Yes the capital in the Hunger Games this is really what we are dealing with
Absolutely
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@@Gforu81 I thought the same thing! After watching the Hunger Games Movies, which were great btw, I said to myself that the districts were us (society) and President Snow and his minions were our government. 💯💯💯
I’m glad Kelly that you do your own show 👏👏👏👏👏🤝👏👏
100% agree...lovely said
Speaking of the topic of plastic surgery and the late Queen Elizebeth II, can we please just stop to highlight the fact that she was beautiful in her younger years and had access to priceless jewels, gowns, castles and clothing. Although she had access to wealth most celebrities aspire to have, she allowed herself to age naturally. As a person who has grown up in Australia, a Commonwealth country of Britain, I noticed the coins, which feature the now late Queen's head varied depending on the date the coin was produced. I always questioned why they didn't just keep using your younger side profile portrait. But now as a woman myself now in my early 40s, I absolutely appreciate the fact our late Queen allowed her aging appearance to be depicted all over the world. As funny as it sounds, I wonder how Kim Kardashian would chose to feature on coins as she ages in her life? Would we constantly see the depiction of taught perfect plastic beauty standards?
Personally, I admire the fact, whilst our Queen enjoyed the privileges and the lifestyle of royalty, she did in fact embody the most realistic natural beauty standards for women. She celebrated beauty in her youth, her middle age years, her senior years and her late senior years. Let's ensure beauty standards for all stages of life are celebrated and not constantly nipped, tucked, pulled, injected and photoshopped.
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When we say we hate people and highlights their weakness on and on.... Make name and money of it. What does that make us?????
This is beautifully said. Hollywood especially sells this idea that women have an expiration date where they are no longer beautiful or desired yet men age like fine wine. The Queen could’ve done plastic surgery to hold off time but she didn’t. William could’ve tried to have surgery to keep his hair but he didn’t, they are embracing time and seem far happier then those clinging to youth
The Queen wasn't a celebrity was a leader, her career didn't depend on her looks..she didn't struggle being wealthy, its generational and the whole country pay for her lifestyle she didn't have to change a thing they would pay anyway. In beauty related business and celebrity carrier its a hard pay..the younger you look the longer you stay on the game..surgery wasn't invented by Kim..almost all Hollywood careered have surgery way before Kim was a baby. Most ladies on TV even news enchor has procedures done..the Queen had a safe career.
@@jescaanatory6121 the queen didn’t bother about politics? Rofl…. Are you American?
Thank you for always having the most wonderful guest on your show ......Andrew Sullivan is amazing.....great channel 🇨🇦
Love this conversation
Thank You🫀
Andrew is spot on here, especially re Madonna . She is surrounded by yes men/women
Madonna doesn't even look human anymore & that breaks my heart cos always been a massive fan. Surrounded by kiss ass yes people who tell her how amazing she looks. Her ego has made her lose her sense of reality, what the hell does she c when she looks in the mirror?!
@@lolabelle4959 such a shame. My sister and I were fans from 80s and I've seen her in concert countless times. Appears to have gone downhill after the split from Guy.
Aren't they all
*"we need Role Models of 'Aging' instead of Role Models of 'Panicking'"* #barz 🎤🖐
Hi from Peru, I love Megyn, she’s such a smart and brave woman. I agree with her and Andrew, the mental damage narcissist celebrities do to young women is starting to be noticed by the whole world. It needs to stop.
Well said Andrew you was spot on with everything you said
Queen Elizabeth was an amazing woman. 🇨🇦
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She is loved around the world by so many. ❤️❤️❤️🇺🇲
What about the indigenous children of Canada 🧡
@@colleen2671 if you want to make a point about her late Majesty the Queen, just do so don't hide behind a comment that is abstract and does not make a specific point, and if you are making a claim in what way was the Queen responsible for the actions of politicians?
Nancy Pelosi PERMANENT STARTLED LOOK!!! 🤣👏🏻😂👏🏻🤣💯💣💥👍🏻👍🏻 I LOVE IT !!!!
I have a drunk Auntie with dementia. That’s the look.
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Love Pelli she done so much for the people. Who cares what she looks like. Why judge…why?
Pelosi I mean
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Done SO MUCH for the people??!? Riiiiiight 🙄 smh
Role models of aging and not role models of panicking... brilliant! These people are hurting inside. Yes.
Miss Megyn you are sensational ! Thank you for speaking the truth !
My wife and I just divorced. She turned into a different person once she got a job making 100k. Every aspect of her life has to be documented on Instagram. Every meal, trip, and everything else. She is obsessed with herself.
I'm sorry you had to suffer through this rage of the narcissist. Now let us pray 🙏. Thanks
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We should pray for her. All these things are all vanity. God wants us to be close to him. A righteous Godly woman is someone that her heart is close to God. She pleases her husband and she turns to him for everything. Money really changes a person a lot. I hope God will take care of you and give you a rightful partner❤️
One thing that NEVER changes about Madonna, she will do anything to get our attention. And it worked again, didn’t it……
She's a LEO. jlo same...
It's timely that someone finally discussed the preoccupation with looking youthful when you reach 40+. There is no way ro turn back the clock, and the quest to remain young usually ends up with a person looking freaky, like a wax museum figure or a mannequin. It's great to present one's self as the best version one can be, but that is not accomplished by succombing to surgical procedures. The most beautiful people are the ones who still look like real people .
What I find really disturbing is how young people are getting these procedures long before they get their first wrinkle, in order to prevent wrinkles. If people start botox and fillers before they are 20, what are they going to look like by the time they are 60? They are playing with fire. I think Megyn Kelly looks very good because she hasn't gone too far with this. She looks younger than she is but in a natural way.