@@electricisbetter nope ... this is for sale ... true is that you have a voltage drop if you pull hard .... if you put 7k w you are at ca. 120a you can do a log with the nuc also 😉
Question,.... I had mine bypassed for about 500 miles. Flawless , worked textbook perfectly. Now I have the 72/42 so I have this extra bypassed battery. I want to UN -Bipass it so my wife's stock surron can use it. I assume there's no issue but I'm inquiring anyway. Cheers
Thanks for reaching out! Yes, you can un-bypass it. I've done it. You literally just do the steps in reverse and it should work like normal again. You can solder the wires back together, or they make heavy duty crimps for 8 gage wires too. I've done both without issue. Just make sure the connections are very solid!
Having your battery bypassed will allow it to produce higher power and be used in mode1-2 -3 with our “Enduro” Package. It will also free up anpther 6V or range equivalent to about 46% more: HVC 67V - LVC 54V, to a new HVC 67v - lvc48v
@@JC-zn3qs The RC world has 100wh packs with less fire risk and this pack is an explosion waiting to happen. I don't want to be a "BMS" because I am not an engineer, I would rather sleep good at night knowing my BMS was designed by a qualified engineer and is doing all the work for me!
Hello I just installed my bac4000 with an original battery with bypass. Is it normal that the display always shows 100 percent even after driving because the Egg Rider says something else.
Hi, my battery of my Segwas X260 was dead ,I have a standard battery and controller . Measuring the battery , I still had 60V , so the problem had to be in the BMS controller. I did the BMS controller by-pass , not for more power but to get my bike running again and it worked ! Do I need to take care of something special when charging the battery ?
You shouldn't have to do anything special when changing it, because you do not do anything to the charge side of the system. Only when dischaging, don't let it get below 54v
Hello, I'm Renaud and i'm building my own batterry for Sur-Ron Street Legal with Sintech Controller and i plan to keep the original screen and connector to battery. According to the wiring diagram there is 2 wires flagged as "COM" the first one, the purple one, is not connected to battery BMS so i suspect this is for diagnostic/programming. The second one is blue/black can you have the information about what is it for? how it is connected to BMS (UART COM RX? TX?)? and is that a "must have" cable or can i delete it from my new BMS?
I don't know why people rather do this than buying a higher amperage bms. The bms is what keeps your battery safe and also keeps the cells balanced without it you can dangerously imbalance the cells and that wouldn't be good for the long term.
He bypassed the discharge not the charging my dude the bms is still doing its job balancing the cells it just won't cut off if he ever pulls more than 95 amps when at full throttle
@@MotorcyclesGalore Yep... sure the battery will be pushed harder and its life affected accordingly but that is no where near as bad as not balancing the cells. Some of us are on a tighter budget than others so we tend to do our upgrades in stages, my first power upgrade is going to be a Nucular 24f and the BMS bypass, It will only offer a relatively small performance boost until I've saved up for a 72v battery... but as the stock controller cant do 72v its the only possible upgrade sequence.
The cells in the Sur Ron battery are design to supply 10Amps per cell continuously and with its 11P configuration is designed to give 110Amps or 6600W continuous or bursts much higher.
Let’s you run 7kw, with the stock battery. The obvious next step is go 72v, 10-15kw but that battery is a bigger outlay. This mod gives a good power boost without the new battery cost.
@@uhjyuff2095 you are right, these cells are pretty safe though, and limiting the power to 7Kw keeps the discharge within the manufacturers spec for the cell.
@@danielbellis2769 LOL... The manufacturer doesn't test ride in hot or cold climates... The tests are done in a lab at 25C. Do you always ride in a lab like the Manufacture tests in?
I want to do this I’m just worried even if I heat shrink the other cable the one u cut then hot glued. The end that u covered with electric tape is what if I comes undone idk is there a better way to cover? Heat shrink? Or a wire cap?
Liked and subscribed would you be able to upload a video of testing the new 60 V bypass battery and what your opinions are over the standard unbypassed battery
Just curious if I understand this correctly, because I am in the process of building my Sur Ron with just the frame, I would only need to do this if mine was stock correct? Because I bought a frame with the Nucular 24F Controller and I am in the process of making my own battery. I would much rather buy stuff already, but where I live they don't ship complete Sur Ron. Thank you.
I personally would recommend a bigger battery to go with your controller over bypassing a stock one. Bypassing a stock battery comes with a lot of problems
If I am using a bypassed battery with a stock controller will my percentage display be accurate or will I have to check the voltage. I bought a used bypassed 60v battery but I don’t want it to be bypassed. From my understanding I can run the bypassed battery on my stock controller with no issues so I just want to make sure my display will be accurate. If not can I reverse a bypass?
You can reverse the bypass but its risky. If the batery is bypassed, the battery charge status will be delayed. So if you were to use 25% of your battery, it would take a couple hours for the battery to show that you used that 25%
@@electricisbetter Why is it risky. From my understanding I just remove the bypass harness and reconnect the negative wire with a large butt connector and it should run just like before.
@@bslothed3211 I reversed my bypass about half a year ago as described above and it’s working fine 1000 miles later. No issues at all just have to seal all the terminals with silicon
Since you bypassed the BMS... you should monitor the lowest cell while discharging and the highest voltage cell while charging for safety. I wonder why you didn't mention this in the video?
@@danielbellis2769 I don't know if the balancing is working or not, so I will assume so since you said... Overcharge protection and undercharge protection is controller by the BMS, a cell balancer is not a replacement for a BMS!
These packs can get ugly real quick when ya start messing with them, over charging individual cells and to much discharge on a single cell. This can brick the whole pack or flame on a recharge from unbalanced cells. Just purchase a 72 and sell the 60
Just buy the wires and connectors or if you want to be extra safe you can buy one of those super fancy Bluetooth controlled 150amp bms but for some odd reason no one ever does this so I'm not sure why there might be a reason but as someone that has built batteries in the past when I get mines I'm going to look into if I can replace the bms with a higher amp output one instead. I have a feeling if you remove the stock on there will be enough room it's just harder to do vs this bypass and that is likely why more people do this I assume.
So you can run more power "7kw", you can't do this with a stock controller as you can't set the power level but with a nuclear, BAC, etc you can set the power for the battery. All it is, is a free power upgrade without buying a new battery.
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6600w is the max 😉 110a the panasonic can handle ... relook your calculator . But nice Video 👍
True, however the numbers I gave are for the 'high end' voltage. So the bike at it's volt max is 67v. So 67vx110=7.3kw.
@@electricisbetter nope ... this is for sale ... true is that you have a voltage drop if you pull hard .... if you put 7k w you are at ca. 120a you can do a log with the nuc also 😉
Looks better if you tell 7kw vor sale controllers and bypass and don t care whats happen with client battery ... 😉 But do what you want .
@@electricisbetter Oh i forgot ...long time ago with 24F... NUC you select the Battery A .Then 110 is good. ASI works with Watt so you set the Power.
normal chargin work?
Good watch! So tossed up between a nuclear 24f and a bac 8000 for a 72v set up 🙃
Question,.... I had mine bypassed for about 500 miles. Flawless , worked textbook perfectly. Now I have the 72/42 so I have this extra bypassed battery. I want to UN -Bipass it so my wife's stock surron can use it. I assume there's no issue but I'm inquiring anyway. Cheers
Thanks for reaching out! Yes, you can un-bypass it. I've done it. You literally just do the steps in reverse and it should work like normal again. You can solder the wires back together, or they make heavy duty crimps for 8 gage wires too. I've done both without issue. Just make sure the connections are very solid!
Thanks I figured it would be fine just wanted to be sure it wouldn't mess up the BMS or something
What did you set the amp discharge as ?
is there a difference for the install if it’s a panasonic or a samsung battery
What is the lowest volt you recommend not going past after bypassing the battery?
If I put a bolt on power booster(+800W), I don’t need to make bypass? It can damage something ?
Does it matter that my kit has two wires instead of three, I was told it doesn't matter but I'm nervous I may not get full power now.
GLE bypass only sends 2 wires with the kit. I was wondering the same thing ..
Having your battery bypassed will allow it to produce higher power and be used in mode1-2 -3 with our “Enduro” Package. It will also free up anpther 6V or range equivalent to about 46% more: HVC 67V - LVC 54V, to a new HVC 67v - lvc48v
How do you monitor the individual cells? 48 volts is the full pack voltage... I hope the cells are not getting too low!
@@uhjyuff2095 ya can't monitor cell, the nucular display has volt reading, just keep an eye on that, don't go too low
@@sur-ronrides If only there was a device that could monitor individual cell voltages...
@@uhjyuff2095 you could create a balance lead and monitor indiv cells like we do in rc lipo applications
@@JC-zn3qs The RC world has 100wh packs with less fire risk and this pack is an explosion waiting to happen. I don't want to be a "BMS" because I am not an engineer, I would rather sleep good at night knowing my BMS was designed by a qualified engineer and is doing all the work for me!
Sick video, but what about voltage sag below 52v does that damage the battery or is it only the idle battery voltage that matters?
Voltage sag matters, but you really can ride this battery as low as 48v. I said 52v, beause at 52v the voltage sagging right around 48v.
You can fully fully discharge it to even less than 48v but keep in mind you'll have like no power at all 😂
What’s safe amps to push with bypassed battery 110a or can I push 120a?
do you know if this bypass works for a Electro & Co's QS138 with the EM-150/2 (14kw controller?
Hello I just installed my bac4000 with an original battery with bypass. Is it normal that the display always shows 100 percent even after driving because the Egg Rider says something else.
Yes. The battery % on the battery pack will be delayed. It takes about 2 hours to show what it's actually at.
@@electricisbetter Thanks, I was worried
Hi, my battery of my Segwas X260 was dead ,I have a standard battery and controller . Measuring the battery , I still had 60V , so the problem had to be in the BMS controller. I did the BMS controller by-pass , not for more power but to get my bike running again and it worked ! Do I need to take care of something special when charging the battery ?
You shouldn't have to do anything special when changing it, because you do not do anything to the charge side of the system. Only when dischaging, don't let it get below 54v
Hello,
I'm Renaud and i'm building my own batterry for Sur-Ron Street Legal with Sintech Controller and i plan to keep the original screen and connector to battery.
According to the wiring diagram there is 2 wires flagged as "COM" the first one, the purple one, is not connected to battery BMS so i suspect this is for diagnostic/programming.
The second one is blue/black can you have the information about what is it for? how it is connected to BMS (UART COM RX? TX?)? and is that a "must have" cable or can i delete it from my new BMS?
What display is that?
I don't know why people rather do this than buying a higher amperage bms. The bms is what keeps your battery safe and also keeps the cells balanced without it you can dangerously imbalance the cells and that wouldn't be good for the long term.
Cheaper 😝
My thoughts exactly. If your battery can't handle the amps as it was made, then the battery should be upgraded the right way!
He bypassed the discharge not the charging my dude the bms is still doing its job balancing the cells it just won't cut off if he ever pulls more than 95 amps when at full throttle
@@MotorcyclesGalore Yep... sure the battery will be pushed harder and its life affected accordingly but that is no where near as bad as not balancing the cells.
Some of us are on a tighter budget than others so we tend to do our upgrades in stages, my first power upgrade is going to be a Nucular 24f and the BMS bypass, It will only offer a relatively small performance boost until I've saved up for a 72v battery... but as the stock controller cant do 72v its the only possible upgrade sequence.
The cells in the Sur Ron battery are design to supply 10Amps per cell continuously and with its 11P configuration is designed to give 110Amps or 6600W continuous or bursts much higher.
can someone help, my surron battery percentage as just suddenly stopped showing? what is the cause
I have the same problem , did you solved it ?
Just wondering why you want to bypass oem BMS and use an aftermarket controller?
Let’s you run 7kw, with the stock battery. The obvious next step is go 72v, 10-15kw but that battery is a bigger outlay. This mod gives a good power boost without the new battery cost.
@@danielbellis2769 The mod should be to install a bigger BMS instead of a bypass. Harder to do, but way way safer also!
@@uhjyuff2095 you are right, these cells are pretty safe though, and limiting the power to 7Kw keeps the discharge within the manufacturers spec for the cell.
@@danielbellis2769 LOL... The manufacturer doesn't test ride in hot or cold climates... The tests are done in a lab at 25C. Do you always ride in a lab like the Manufacture tests in?
@@uhjyuff2095 it works it tested and on a shit load of bikes with no issues, so do what you want if you so scared. Lmfao
why do you have to leave the other end of the ground wire off? what would happen it it also was reconnected?
Yeah, idk what would happen... probably make it run with even more power!
If it did that, the BMS would be back. That's all lol
How is it that this worked without turning the key to the ON position?
Because of the Nucular controller I have installed on it. That controller can be turning on by hitting a button on the bottom of the screen
I want to do this I’m just worried even if I heat shrink the other cable the one u cut then hot glued. The end that u covered with electric tape is what if I comes undone idk is there a better way to cover? Heat shrink? Or a wire cap?
Yes and yes.
Liked and subscribed would you be able to upload a video of testing the new 60 V bypass battery and what your opinions are over the standard unbypassed battery
Yes! Next video will be on that.
Just curious if I understand this correctly, because I am in the process of building my Sur Ron with just the frame, I would only need to do this if mine was stock correct? Because I bought a frame with the Nucular 24F Controller and I am in the process of making my own battery. I would much rather buy stuff already, but where I live they don't ship complete Sur Ron. Thank you.
I personally would recommend a bigger battery to go with your controller over bypassing a stock one. Bypassing a stock battery comes with a lot of problems
If I am using a bypassed battery with a stock controller will my percentage display be accurate or will I have to check the voltage. I bought a used bypassed 60v battery but I don’t want it to be bypassed. From my understanding I can run the bypassed battery on my stock controller with no issues so I just want to make sure my display will be accurate. If not can I reverse a bypass?
You can reverse the bypass but its risky. If the batery is bypassed, the battery charge status will be delayed. So if you were to use 25% of your battery, it would take a couple hours for the battery to show that you used that 25%
@@electricisbetter Why is it risky. From my understanding I just remove the bypass harness and reconnect the negative wire with a large butt connector and it should run just like before.
@@danielw1750 Nah not exactly that easy, sounds like thats what needs to be done but once you bypass, it's hard to go back
@@bslothed3211 I reversed my bypass about half a year ago as described above and it’s working fine 1000 miles later. No issues at all just have to seal all the terminals with silicon
Any issues with your battery after the bypass? I bought a bac8000 and have a talaria. Debating weather or not to bypass
Not with the surron batteries. I haven't bypassed by Talaria packs.
Update ? I just got a bypassed mx3 battery
Id recommended doing it when the battery is at 0%
The battery will be ok down to 48volts i think
Since you bypassed the BMS... you should monitor the lowest cell while discharging and the highest voltage cell while charging for safety. I wonder why you didn't mention this in the video?
The discharge is bypassed not the BMS for balancing
@@danielbellis2769 I don't know if the balancing is working or not, so I will assume so since you said... Overcharge protection and undercharge protection is controller by the BMS, a cell balancer is not a replacement for a BMS!
Tutorial about removing swing arm
why not just buy the cable from a store for a few bucks
These packs can get ugly real quick when ya start messing with them, over charging individual cells and to much discharge on a single cell. This can brick the whole pack or flame on a recharge from unbalanced cells. Just purchase a 72 and sell the 60
Nice...
It says out of stock on E-Moto bros website , how can u be out of stock of wire and connectors 🤯😅 I smell laziness
Me buying 2 of the kits must of put them out of stock?! 😂 I'm sure they'll be back in stock soon. They were good to work with.
Just buy the wires and connectors or if you want to be extra safe you can buy one of those super fancy Bluetooth controlled 150amp bms but for some odd reason no one ever does this so I'm not sure why there might be a reason but as someone that has built batteries in the past when I get mines I'm going to look into if I can replace the bms with a higher amp output one instead. I have a feeling if you remove the stock on there will be enough room it's just harder to do vs this bypass and that is likely why more people do this I assume.
@@electricisbetter I ended up just making my own , was simple enuf lol
why would you want to bypass the bms? been pondering this for a while and havent found the answer on google
So you can run more power "7kw", you can't do this with a stock controller as you can't set the power level but with a nuclear, BAC, etc you can set the power for the battery. All it is, is a free power upgrade without buying a new battery.
Run battery until it die then its will be safe or unplug bms battery isn't alive and put everything back
No , but will be slightly safer and less explosive if anything did go wrong , do it outside and go carful, it’s easy mate
@@ptescreen18 yes I'm was right run battery until it die and unplug bms ain't be alive
Instructions on how to burn down your house... never bypass the bms
Hasn't happened yet 🤷
@@electricisbetteryet... I us lifepo4 to do this mod, no fire, no explosion
@@electricisbetter Yet.
Lmfaoooo imagine buying a set of wires that cost 30 cents for 30 dollars 😂
Ur running it at 115amps if its 7000w bud do the math 🤣