I have heard of it too but never actually seen it, only now I have so thanks for sharing this rare experience. I presume, if they are both mated and laying, that one of them will take off with a swarm once it warms up and new brood has boosted the strength of the colony? I will be looking forward to hearing/seeing what happens. The forecast says frost on Monday night, so the winter hasn't quite let go yet it seems.
Great video, I am new this year to beekeeping, Started with 2 hives and have now done a controlled swarm and put an old queen in a new hive. all looking great so far, I will be an avid follower and learn as much as I can.
Yes I have had the same experience of having a daughter and mother mated queens in one of my hives. I thing when a supersede happens sometimes it will appear. Daughter virgin just maybe convinces the worker not to push her out. Funny I know a long time well respected commercial beekeeper who has said he had a daughter, the mother of that and a grandmother in a hive once, a very rare occurrence. Three mated queens tolerating eachother. Would have liked to have seen that! Plus a few times I have had two virgins hatch during a cold weather front and the workers isolating them to each of the opposite sides keeping them from fighting and one killing the other. I noticed this because I was checking for swarm cells and could here piping going on between them, like two clusters in 10 frame double deep and someone put an invisible division board between them? 🐝
@@gwenyngruffydd discussions with various university bee researchers in the US. Some see as low as 9‰ while others see as high as 12‰. Mother daughter hives are typically a transitory state during the spring going into early summer. These hives are often the explaination for mysterious reqeening acceptance problems.
There seems to be a lot of drone comb on one of the frames. Is one of the queens just laying drones? It that is the case the queen that is laying normally may not see the drone laying queen as a threat. I wonder if this happens more often than we think, because personally when I find a queen in the hive I don't look for another one. Nice video and I'm going to have a decent look at my bees next time.
We had 2 queens in one hive this spring and decided to leave both in one hive. The bees swarmed a week ago, and now we have one queen in one hive as normal.
Good video Gruffy. I wonder if you could tell if they were both laying or which one was, obviously the first marked Queen would, but maybe both were. I'd have been thinking to immediately rewmove one, untill I heard your explanation. Amazing creatures indeed. Keep us posted how it ends up. Cheers
I've seen this in one of my own hives a few years ago. One marked queen and one unmarked queen. I believe it was a supersedure happening. A week later the marked queen was nowhere to be found.
Opened a double deep hive yesterday in my bee yard that had almose 30 queen cells in it 10 days ago. Couldnt find the queen at that time so I decided to see what happens. Yesterday I found and marked 3 new queens one of which was quite fat and then would you know it I found the original marked queen. Never even lioked in the bottom deep. It is November here in the north east and quite cold so I cant wait to see what transpires with this hive.
That is totally aweseome I know for a fact you are not doing tricks. Two queens in one hive is rare but not as rare as most people think, There is a reason why they are often missed. When bee keepers go looking for the queen. Soon as they find a queen they say "Yep there is the queen" then immediatley close the hive and not even look in the other boxes, So many youtube vids like that lol . If I told you how many times over the years I have seen two queens on rescue jobs from under floor boards and in my own hives you would not believe me lol They seem to be more common in the bigger hives, or langstroth sized warre hives.
Interesting. I found the same about 3 weeks ago.The only difference to you is that the older queen was bought in about May last year. Checked yesterday and mother and daughter are still there. Intrigued to see what will happen!
I have heard of it too but never actually seen it, only now I have so thanks for sharing this rare experience. I presume, if they are both mated and laying, that one of them will take off with a swarm once it warms up and new brood has boosted the strength of the colony? I will be looking forward to hearing/seeing what happens. The forecast says frost on Monday night, so the winter hasn't quite let go yet it seems.
Il keep an eye on their progress! 😊
Great video, I am new this year to beekeeping, Started with 2 hives and have now done a controlled swarm and put an old queen in a new hive. all looking great so far, I will be an avid follower and learn as much as I can.
Thanks for watching 😄 glad your finding the videos useful
Yes I have had the same experience of having a daughter and mother mated queens in one of my hives. I thing when a supersede happens sometimes it will appear. Daughter virgin just maybe convinces the worker not to push her out. Funny I know a long time well respected commercial beekeeper who has said he had a daughter, the mother of that and a grandmother in a hive once, a very rare occurrence. Three mated queens tolerating eachother. Would have liked to have seen that! Plus a few times I have had two virgins hatch during a cold weather front and the workers isolating them to each of the opposite sides keeping them from fighting and one killing the other. I noticed this because I was checking for swarm cells and could here piping going on between them, like two clusters in 10 frame double deep and someone put an invisible division board between them? 🐝
Around 10% of hives have mother and daughter queens.
Where did you get that statistic from?
@@gwenyngruffydd discussions with various university bee researchers in the US. Some see as low as 9‰ while others see as high as 12‰. Mother daughter hives are typically a transitory state during the spring going into early summer. These hives are often the explaination for mysterious reqeening acceptance problems.
Very interesting. Thanks so much, look forward to the updates🤩
Thank you 😊
There seems to be a lot of drone comb on one of the frames. Is one of the queens just laying drones? It that is the case the queen that is laying normally may not see the drone laying queen as a threat. I wonder if this happens more often than we think, because personally when I find a queen in the hive I don't look for another one. Nice video and I'm going to have a decent look at my bees next time.
Do you think it is possible to introduce two queens at the same time, side by side in push in cages?
Probably not…
New bee keeper here and enjoying the content! What brand bee suit is that, looks very funky 😎
The orange one is from BJ Sheriff 😊👍🏻
We had 2 queens in one hive this spring and decided to leave both in one hive. The bees swarmed a week ago, and now we have one queen in one hive as normal.
If you planned on them swarming they wouldn’t have, they would silently superseded.
Thanks bees. 👍
Good video Gruffy. I wonder if you could tell if they were both laying or which one was, obviously the first marked Queen would, but maybe both were. I'd have been thinking to immediately rewmove one, untill I heard your explanation. Amazing creatures indeed. Keep us posted how it ends up. Cheers
Thank you 😊 will do 👍🏻
I still suspect 'slight of hand' lol
Keep up the great work!
Thank you 😊
Only seen it on video rarely, it must be a Welsh thing. But Laurence put a video up on Friday with exactly the same situation.
Yea I saw it! 😅 what are the odds!!?
fantastic, definitely worth keeping an eye on those!
Sure is 😊
Very interesting. Are the 2 queens still together?
No, one just disappeared
Totally normal. That happens when the hive is superseding the old queen.
You and Lawrence spending to much time together 😂
What are the odds! I had no idea he had the same and same week release time! 😅
I found the same issue in one of my colonies and split them it has to be the season for it
I've seen this in one of my own hives a few years ago. One marked queen and one unmarked queen. I believe it was a supersedure happening. A week later the marked queen was nowhere to be found.
Interesting
I've seen a few beekeepers speak of this :) And if the hive stays like that for enough time the population REALLY explodes heheh
😅🤞🏻🤞🏻
Looking forward to updates
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Opened a double deep hive yesterday in my bee yard that had almose 30 queen cells in it 10 days ago. Couldnt find the queen at that time so I decided to see what happens. Yesterday I found and marked 3 new queens one of which was quite fat and then would you know it I found the original marked queen. Never even lioked in the bottom deep. It is November here in the north east and quite cold so I cant wait to see what transpires with this hive.
3 queens!! 🤯
Great stuff once again mate
Thank you 😊
Have you ever trie 5 frame nucs as honey production hive?
No, only 6 frames
@@gwenyngruffydd gow did it go? Did you havest honey from them?
Not yet…
That is totally aweseome I know for a fact you are not doing tricks. Two queens in one hive is rare but not as rare as most people think, There is a reason why they are often missed. When bee keepers go looking for the queen. Soon as they find a queen they say "Yep there is the queen" then immediatley close the hive and not even look in the other boxes, So many youtube vids like that lol . If I told you how many times over the years I have seen two queens on rescue jobs from under floor boards and in my own hives you would not believe me lol They seem to be more common in the bigger hives, or langstroth sized warre hives.
Haha do welsh bees do the same thing at the same time. 😂 or you and Lawrence sharing hives
😂😂
Where is his accent from? I’m sorry I have never heard it before.
From wales 🏴 in the U.K. 🇬🇧
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@@gwenyngruffydd THANK YOUUUU!!
Split them using a double screen board !!!
Easy hive increase .!!!!
That’s a good method
Is it possible they don’t even know about each other?
No I’m pretty certain they know their there because of the pheromones
Whatever happened to that hive??
It eventually went down to one Queen.
@@gwenyngruffydd did she fly or was killed I wonder what would happen if you had queen excluders on the entrances
@samsungtvmail I’m not sure. Just one day she wasn’t there. They didn’t swarm so she was probably killed
@@gwenyngruffydd interesting, any more plans with experimenting,, seems like the principle makes sense especially if you have lots of queens
you should graft from it and see if it happens again
Not a bad idea. But I’m pretty sure the first queen is faulty
I had exactly the same this year. Two queens in the hive living in the peace.
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Interesting. I found the same about 3 weeks ago.The only difference to you is that the older queen was bought in about May last year. Checked yesterday and mother and daughter are still there. Intrigued to see what will happen!
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1 queen + 1 queen = 2 queen getting condusing Results
One could be faulty!
@@gwenyngruffydd keep up the great content
Thank you 😊
Is this where we find out you and Laurence have lost track of apiaries and are both inspecting the same site?
😂😂
What language is it? Translate late please or substitutes .
Thank you
It’s English but with a strong Welsh accent 🏴