My M2 is a GI Rock-Ola conversion and is a '68 Amnesty Registered martial arm. It has been very reliable with GI magazines. Only concern has been a broken extractor (what do you expect after over 70-years of service). Even I'm starting to break down. The M1 Carbine is one of the great American manufacturing stories.
I agree in full with you they are great guns and have such a great story behind them! Thank you for sharing and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
You are very welcome I know I speak for Mike as well when I say thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! We greatly appreciate your continued support of this series. I love the Carbine as well it certainly is a great rifle! --Jeremiah
That is a really neat little tidbit of history thank you for sharing that! It seemed like the guys who carried these rifles loved them. Thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
Still have my Mom's M-1 Carbine, with some of my Dad's hanloads. Never got to a M-2, but you guys have proved there great little rifles. I am going to purchase Mike V's book right now. Thanks.
That is awesome!! I do love the M1 Carbine it really is a great little rifle at some point I will be doing a full load development on the cartridge. I know I speak for Mike as well when I say thank you. Your purchase and support helps us keep the videos coming! --Jeremiah
Ha Ha well first off let me thank you for taking the time to watch and comment we greatly appreciate it! It is because of good folks like you that subscribe not only here but to the magazine as well that we are able to produce videos like this! It is in the queue I I imagine we are getting close to it now but to be honest I think it will be a little while before we get to it! I know there are a ton of videos still to come. We are pushing them out as quickly as we can while keeping our uploads consistent! Thank you again for all the support! --Jeremiah
I envy your opportunity to shoot all of these iconic firearms. My own experience with full auto weapons is very limited so they are always a little awe inspiring. I am particularly looking forward to your review and impressions of the M2 Grease Gun. A model that I find uniquely fascinating. As always, keep up your extraordinary work
It really was a dream come true, the amount of knowledge I gained through all of this is something I will carry with me the rest of my life. It was extremely informative and will be something I can take with me for the rest of my life! We actually posted a video on the M3 Grease gun already and I will post a link to it at the end of this comment. Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch and comment we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah th-cam.com/video/aNgS7Q-hvIU/w-d-xo.html Video on the grease gun
The "Grease gun" was the M3/M3A1. There actually was, however, an M2 submachine gun developed by Gorge Hyde and adopted by the US military as a replacement for the M1928 and M1 Thompson submachine guns. Inland Manufacturing was given a contract for production but they couldn't meet the contract as they were focused on M1 Carbine production. The government gave the contract to Marlin Firearms to complete, but Marlin's production guns did not meet the performance standards and the contract was cancelled when the M3 "grease gun" was adopted and only about 400 M2s were made. None of the M2s were ever issued to the military. Ian with Forgotten Weapons did a video on them in 2019.
@@garyK.45ACP Ah yes I am familiar with the M2 Submachine gun I did not know that it was actually adopted though as I knew the production numbers were relatively low. I would love to get my hands on one day and conduct some testing and evaluation on it. Sadly there was not one in Mike's collection. Hopefully one day though! I do love Forgotten Weapons and I would love to do some collaborations with him in the future! I know we are a small channel compared to him but I think it would be a lot of fun to work on some things together! --Jeremiah
I personally am a big fan of the .30 Carbine and the XTP in general, my experience is limited with the 90 grain XTP in the .30 Carbine, I have only shot them in an M1 Carbine but I got good results and performance from that rifle. I do plan on doing a load development video in the future on that cartridge. Thanks for watching and great question! --Jeremiah
I have a Ruger Blackhawk. the .30 carbine round has given me fits to handload. They either don't fire (light strikes) or they will not eject very easily very frustrating. I trim all the cases
Trimming and or crimping are probably the root of your problem. At one time, I shot thousands of rounds from a ruger 30 carbine, and properly loaded it was very accurate and reliable. Back off from max loads, do not crimp, and do not trim cases unless they rub on the recoil shield! The case headspaces on the mouth of the case, so if you trim it too much you will get FTFs
@@Lckeefer1 I agree. My first efforts and even with factory rounds the cases would rub the recoil shield and after even a few rounds if any they cyl would lock up. So I overdid and then using cast bullets after trimming the round would not chamber. Like a dummy I figured I did not have enough crimp.
@@doranmaxwell1755 the factory loads are a little hot for the Ruger. Because the case is tapered, not straight, they tend to back out of the cylinder slightly. Reloads slightly under max do not have that problem. Also, an oily chamber can aggravate the situation.
@@Lckeefer1 Yes... thank you I am learning on this round. My loads are a grain or so under for #9 I do keep the chambers dry tho Because we take out the taper I have noticed a very slight off center hit on the primers most of the time
Reliability with the 30 round mags for the M1 or M2 depends a great deal on who manufactured them. Even from one mfg., there seems to be a great deal of variation. When I have trouble with the 30's, it's usually the first three rounds, so to start with, I just load 27, and call it good. Realistically, if I NEED full 30 round capacity, I'll go to the AR. Dad, a Korean War infantry vet (45th Infantry Division, Oklahoma NG before it was called up) wasn't impressed with the carbine. Most likely the biggest bitch that most guys had was that they over-lubricated the things, and in the super cold winters of 50-53, the guns ran sluggish, if at all. When they'd get around to just running the guns 'dry', they functioned a lot ,more reliably. The fellas that whined about 'killing power' most often will immediately cite a story about hitting an enemy squad, and a hit from a Garand would put them down with one shot, but the carbine didn't do the same damage, so the carbine round got 'bad press' at every re-telling of the event. Me? Well, I figure a .30 caliber hole, made from any device, into living tissue is a bad thing. BTW, we (the wife and I) keep loaded carbines, a .45 and one .38 revolver, and twelve gauge pumps at each end of the farmhouse. Go to sleep each night feeling mighty safe and secure.......
Honestly that makes a lot of sense, I have heard a lot of complaints about the magazines over the years and have always wondered about that. I must have good ones in my collection because I do not seem to have the issues that others do but perhaps I just do not shoot enough! At any rate I appreciate the information and you taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
My dad was a late comer to Korea in spring '53 to 7th Inf Div. Couple things were already learned on lubrication and carbines. M2 with 30 rd mags were THE GUN for night patrols, anything else was extra pounds and little use. No reputation of 30 rd mag problems. My own experience the past 45 years of having two of them is>> stay away from after-market 30rd mags and Korean made mags(although better than comm made junk). Carbines were highly preferred by those who had to do a lot of walking. If you sat around in a parapit for days then the Garand wasn't so bad to carry. LOL Lubrication of any infantry weapons during COLD weather was by pencil "lead"(graphite). NO liquid lube used if you wanted your guns to work. The rifle and carbine up at the front were really secondary weapons. Primary weapons to halt Red attacks was artillery with airbursts & white phosphorus and crew served machineguns. Along with artillery would be mortars, 3.5" bazookas and recoil-less 105 rifles. The bazooka was the most worthless weapon in his opinion because of its horrible humped trajectory. The recoilless rifle was excellent when the bigger/newer 105 was available. Rifles/carbines would be used right after you tossed your grenades into the melee coming at you. That's generally the order it went with usage at the front and of course there will be plenty of examples of exceptions. There is really not much to go wrong with an M1 Carbine IMHO except maybe a broken firing pin. Very rugged little rifle. I still see them being used by opposition forces in South East Asia like northern Laos where the Comm govt can't wipe them out.
@@LuvBorderCollies That is very interesting thank you for taking the time to share that info in the comments section. I feel that stuff like that really adds a lot of value and helps set our comments apart from others. That is very interesting come to think of it I don't think I have had any issues with the 30 round magazines either. The graphite being used for lubrication also makes a lot of sense. My neighbor across the street growing up was in Korea as well and he carried a recoil-less rifle, I remember looking at his purple heart and bronze star contained in a small wood box. I wish I would have talked to him a lot more growing up and paid more attention to his stories and the little bits of information he would share at dinners. No doubt the Carbine served quite well throughout the conflict though. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
Sorry fella's. Its not a sub-machine gun. The cartridge is NOT a pistol cartridge but a variation of the .32 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge, which has nothing to do with handguns. It is a PDW (Personal Defense Weapon) that became more useful as a medium-range combat carbine rather than a close-quarters SMG. Nice video. Enjoy Mike's books. Fun to watch but ya'll are not machine gunners.
I see where both you and Mike are coming from, the 30 Carbine's parent case was the 32 WSL, and it had nothing to do with handguns is correct as far as I know. However the 30 Carbine was chambered in handguns although it was later on after the M1 Carbine. But who is to say the pistol caliber has to be developed in the pistol prior to the carbine? I know they are two very different things and I admit I am playing devils advocate here a little bit and I am a stickler for definitions as much as the next guy but looking at the definition of a sub-machine gun I would say this M2 carbine can fit in that box albeit it's not a perfect fit. I will say it certainly fits the PDW concept better and fills in that box nicely and that is what the M1 Carbine was originally designed for. Having shot the M2 Carbine it handles very similar in full auto to the Thompson and is capable of utilizing 30 round magazines. The PPSH uses a 30 caliber projectile in a bottleneck pistol cartridge and we never question that. Yet we question the carbine with it's straight wall pistol sized cartridge. The round is pistol sized being the same length as a 357 Magnum. It is an interesting concept and provides food for thought like those that say the Select fire Winchester 1907 self loading rifle was the first "assault rifle". Sometimes early on these definitions we have now were not clearly defined back then. I will admit my experience with machine guns is rather limited. I have the most time and rounds behind Thompsons, M16s and AK-47s. So I am not completely ignorant but I have a lot of learning to do on this subject and part of the reason behind this video series. Mike has a lot of experience in this area and owns more machine guns than anyone I know so by default I would say he is a machine gunner with an opinion. Anyways I appreciate your insight into the video and the feedback it is always appreciated and I hope this comment comes through in a cordial manner I am not trying to argue with you but rather provide food for thought and insight into where Mike is coming from. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
RIP, Mike Venturino! I will always remember shooting that M2 Carbine with you.
My M2 is a GI Rock-Ola conversion and is a '68 Amnesty Registered martial arm. It has been very reliable with GI magazines. Only concern has been a broken extractor (what do you expect after over 70-years of service). Even I'm starting to break down. The M1 Carbine is one of the great American manufacturing stories.
I agree in full with you they are great guns and have such a great story behind them! Thank you for sharing and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Thanks Jeremiah and Mike for this great video. I like the looks of the Carbine. Thanks Slim.
You are very welcome I know I speak for Mike as well when I say thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! We greatly appreciate your continued support of this series. I love the Carbine as well it certainly is a great rifle! --Jeremiah
My father served in the Korean War and carried an M2 Carbine. He doesn't talk much about the war but I remember him saying that he loved his carbine.
That is a really neat little tidbit of history thank you for sharing that! It seemed like the guys who carried these rifles loved them. Thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
Still have my Mom's M-1 Carbine, with some of my Dad's hanloads. Never got to a M-2, but you guys have proved there great little rifles. I am going to purchase Mike V's book right now. Thanks.
That is awesome!! I do love the M1 Carbine it really is a great little rifle at some point I will be doing a full load development on the cartridge. I know I speak for Mike as well when I say thank you. Your purchase and support helps us keep the videos coming! --Jeremiah
Been a handloader magazine fan for many years now so I have been very pleased with this channel. Now upload the dang stg/mp44 video already!
Ha Ha well first off let me thank you for taking the time to watch and comment we greatly appreciate it! It is because of good folks like you that subscribe not only here but to the magazine as well that we are able to produce videos like this! It is in the queue I I imagine we are getting close to it now but to be honest I think it will be a little while before we get to it! I know there are a ton of videos still to come. We are pushing them out as quickly as we can while keeping our uploads consistent! Thank you again for all the support! --Jeremiah
I envy your opportunity to shoot all of these iconic firearms. My own experience with full auto weapons is very limited so they are always a little awe inspiring.
I am particularly looking forward to your review and impressions of the M2 Grease Gun. A model that I find uniquely fascinating.
As always, keep up your extraordinary work
It really was a dream come true, the amount of knowledge I gained through all of this is something I will carry with me the rest of my life. It was extremely informative and will be something I can take with me for the rest of my life! We actually posted a video on the M3 Grease gun already and I will post a link to it at the end of this comment. Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch and comment we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
th-cam.com/video/aNgS7Q-hvIU/w-d-xo.html Video on the grease gun
The "Grease gun" was the M3/M3A1. There actually was, however, an M2 submachine gun developed by Gorge Hyde and adopted by the US military as a replacement for the M1928 and M1 Thompson submachine guns. Inland Manufacturing was given a contract for production but they couldn't meet the contract as they were focused on M1 Carbine production. The government gave the contract to Marlin Firearms to complete, but Marlin's production guns did not meet the performance standards and the contract was cancelled when the M3 "grease gun" was adopted and only about 400 M2s were made. None of the M2s were ever issued to the military.
Ian with Forgotten Weapons did a video on them in 2019.
@@garyK.45ACP Ah yes I am familiar with the M2 Submachine gun I did not know that it was actually adopted though as I knew the production numbers were relatively low. I would love to get my hands on one day and conduct some testing and evaluation on it. Sadly there was not one in Mike's collection. Hopefully one day though!
I do love Forgotten Weapons and I would love to do some collaborations with him in the future! I know we are a small channel compared to him but I think it would be a lot of fun to work on some things together! --Jeremiah
Well done! Love to meet Duke one day!
I know I speak for Duke as well when I say thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch we both greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
What do you think of Hornady's 90 EXP bullets for the 30 carbine.
I personally am a big fan of the .30 Carbine and the XTP in general, my experience is limited with the 90 grain XTP in the .30 Carbine, I have only shot them in an M1 Carbine but I got good results and performance from that rifle. I do plan on doing a load development video in the future on that cartridge. Thanks for watching and great question! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV great
I have a Ruger Blackhawk. the .30 carbine round has given me fits to handload. They either don't fire (light strikes) or they will not eject very easily very frustrating. I trim all the cases
Trimming and or crimping are probably the root of your problem. At one time, I shot thousands of rounds from a ruger 30 carbine, and properly loaded it was very accurate and reliable. Back off from max loads, do not crimp, and do not trim cases unless they rub on the recoil shield! The case headspaces on the mouth of the case, so if you trim it too much you will get FTFs
@@Lckeefer1 I agree. My first efforts and even with factory rounds the cases would rub the recoil shield and after even a few rounds if any they cyl would lock up. So I overdid and then using cast bullets after trimming the round would not chamber. Like a dummy I figured I did not have enough crimp.
@@doranmaxwell1755 the factory loads are a little hot for the Ruger. Because the case is tapered, not straight, they tend to back out of the cylinder slightly. Reloads slightly under max do not have that problem. Also, an oily chamber can aggravate the situation.
@@Lckeefer1 Yes... thank you I am learning on this round. My loads are a grain or so under for #9 I do keep the chambers dry tho Because we take out the taper I have noticed a very slight off center hit on the primers most of the time
I remember a line from M*A*S*H where Corporal Radar O'Reily says "That's the rifle that shoots 30 corporals a second!" or something close to that.
Ha Ha, I do remember that show I watched that as a kid growing up. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Reliability with the 30 round mags for the M1 or M2 depends a great deal on who manufactured them. Even from one mfg., there seems to be a great deal of variation. When I have trouble with the 30's, it's usually the first three rounds, so to start with, I just load 27, and call it good. Realistically, if I NEED full 30 round capacity, I'll go to the AR. Dad, a Korean War infantry vet (45th Infantry Division, Oklahoma NG before it was called up) wasn't impressed with the carbine. Most likely the biggest bitch that most guys had was that they over-lubricated the things, and in the super cold winters of 50-53, the guns ran sluggish, if at all. When they'd get around to just running the guns 'dry', they functioned a lot ,more reliably. The fellas that whined about 'killing power' most often will immediately cite a story about hitting an enemy squad, and a hit from a Garand would put them down with one shot, but the carbine didn't do the same damage, so the carbine round got 'bad press' at every re-telling of the event. Me? Well, I figure a .30 caliber hole, made from any device, into living tissue is a bad thing. BTW, we (the wife and I) keep loaded carbines, a .45 and one .38 revolver, and twelve gauge pumps at each end of the farmhouse. Go to sleep each night feeling mighty safe and secure.......
Honestly that makes a lot of sense, I have heard a lot of complaints about the magazines over the years and have always wondered about that. I must have good ones in my collection because I do not seem to have the issues that others do but perhaps I just do not shoot enough! At any rate I appreciate the information and you taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
My dad was a late comer to Korea in spring '53 to 7th Inf Div. Couple things were already learned on lubrication and carbines. M2 with 30 rd mags were THE GUN for night patrols, anything else was extra pounds and little use. No reputation of 30 rd mag problems. My own experience the past 45 years of having two of them is>> stay away from after-market 30rd mags and Korean made mags(although better than comm made junk). Carbines were highly preferred by those who had to do a lot of walking. If you sat around in a parapit for days then the Garand wasn't so bad to carry. LOL
Lubrication of any infantry weapons during COLD weather was by pencil "lead"(graphite). NO liquid lube used if you wanted your guns to work.
The rifle and carbine up at the front were really secondary weapons. Primary weapons to halt Red attacks was artillery with airbursts & white phosphorus and crew served machineguns.
Along with artillery would be mortars, 3.5" bazookas and recoil-less 105 rifles. The bazooka was the most worthless weapon in his opinion because of its horrible humped trajectory. The recoilless rifle was excellent when the bigger/newer 105 was available.
Rifles/carbines would be used right after you tossed your grenades into the melee coming at you.
That's generally the order it went with usage at the front and of course there will be plenty of examples of exceptions. There is really not much to go wrong with an M1 Carbine IMHO except maybe a broken firing pin. Very rugged little rifle. I still see them being used by opposition forces in South East Asia like northern Laos where the Comm govt can't wipe them out.
@@LuvBorderCollies That is very interesting thank you for taking the time to share that info in the comments section. I feel that stuff like that really adds a lot of value and helps set our comments apart from others. That is very interesting come to think of it I don't think I have had any issues with the 30 round magazines either. The graphite being used for lubrication also makes a lot of sense.
My neighbor across the street growing up was in Korea as well and he carried a recoil-less rifle, I remember looking at his purple heart and bronze star contained in a small wood box. I wish I would have talked to him a lot more growing up and paid more attention to his stories and the little bits of information he would share at dinners. No doubt the Carbine served quite well throughout the conflict though. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
Sorry fella's. Its not a sub-machine gun. The cartridge is NOT a pistol cartridge but a variation of the .32 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge, which has nothing to do with handguns. It is a PDW (Personal Defense Weapon) that became more useful as a medium-range combat carbine rather than a close-quarters SMG. Nice video. Enjoy Mike's books. Fun to watch but ya'll are not machine gunners.
I see where both you and Mike are coming from, the 30 Carbine's parent case was the 32 WSL, and it had nothing to do with handguns is correct as far as I know. However the 30 Carbine was chambered in handguns although it was later on after the M1 Carbine. But who is to say the pistol caliber has to be developed in the pistol prior to the carbine? I know they are two very different things and I admit I am playing devils advocate here a little bit and I am a stickler for definitions as much as the next guy but looking at the definition of a sub-machine gun I would say this M2 carbine can fit in that box albeit it's not a perfect fit. I will say it certainly fits the PDW concept better and fills in that box nicely and that is what the M1 Carbine was originally designed for. Having shot the M2 Carbine it handles very similar in full auto to the Thompson and is capable of utilizing 30 round magazines. The PPSH uses a 30 caliber projectile in a bottleneck pistol cartridge and we never question that. Yet we question the carbine with it's straight wall pistol sized cartridge. The round is pistol sized being the same length as a 357 Magnum. It is an interesting concept and provides food for thought like those that say the Select fire Winchester 1907 self loading rifle was the first "assault rifle". Sometimes early on these definitions we have now were not clearly defined back then. I will admit my experience with machine guns is rather limited. I have the most time and rounds behind Thompsons, M16s and AK-47s. So I am not completely ignorant but I have a lot of learning to do on this subject and part of the reason behind this video series. Mike has a lot of experience in this area and owns more machine guns than anyone I know so by default I would say he is a machine gunner with an opinion. Anyways I appreciate your insight into the video and the feedback it is always appreciated and I hope this comment comes through in a cordial manner I am not trying to argue with you but rather provide food for thought and insight into where Mike is coming from. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah