Key to good and consistent Mooney Ovation Landings
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- How a Mooney Ovation differs from other Mooney models and how those differences affect keeping a good stabilized approach as well as holding a steady final approach speed. These are tips and techniques that I have adopted to maximize consistent and good landings in my Ovation.
Here because I own a Mooney in Flight Simulator 2020 :)
Me too fam it took me a minute to learn how land it smoothly
Juan Bonnett yep, second that.😂
Juan Bonnett also if you like reading www.softoutfit.com/static/refs/poh.pdf
@@845SiM you legend i was looking for this it makes for good reading btw do you have a link to the check list?
Me as well
Smooth landing! Nice
Thank you Wyatt!!
Great insight into the Ovation. I appreciate you taking the time to offer a run through applying the numbers as you let down.
You are welcome!
I really love this plane. Great for long trips running lean of peak in the mid to high teens for added range.
Thank you very much for the tips Chris! I am applying the techniques on Mooney Ovation from MSFS. I was having a hard time landing, as I got a little too fast, I ended up "eating" a lot of runways unnecessarily. I use a Logitech Yoke System with Throttle, Logitech Rudder Pedals and Radio Stack, it is very exciting to fly this beautiful aircraft ... You won a follower!
Yaaayyy!!!
The Mooney is a wonderful aircraft to fly.It's a pilots aeroplane and must be flown in all aspecs, especially landings. For those of us that have come off DH82 Tiger Moths or Beavers , its a lovely aeroplane to land and must be flown into the 3 stages of landing. A great aircraft. EN JOY.!!!!
Thank you!!
Great video. Thank you for your advice!
Welcome!
Great video Chris !
Thank you Teresa!
Great video thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Great help for Ovation pilots... even though sim pilots
Thanks, love flying my mooney on the new microsoft flight simulator, all this information was very relevant and i did notice that it does love to develop an insane sink rate if you get it to slow, but it is a true dream and i feel near over powered, maybe thats the video game!
Glad you can apply these techniques to the FS 2020 Jim!
What kind of yoke, throttle control, etc do you use to interface with FS?
I am goingnto practice tgis in the MSFS 2020 ! 😁 Great
Great video. I’ve got the Ovation for MSFS , but I learned to fly in the M20J. This video will help on the landings in the sim. Thanks for posting! 🙂👍🏼
Welcome!!!
@@chriskoppel3940 on a related note, do you think I will have any luck reaching someone out at Kerryville regarding a POH for the R? I’ve searched everywhere, can’t find one.
@@jimmyg.4055 I found one online that matches my 1995 model year and 280 hp engine. It is possible you could do the same for yours. Of course, the weight and balance would be different although it does not matter since you have yours anyway.
For me personally, once I pass the beginning of the runway on downwind I drop gear, 15 degrees flaps and cowls if they aren't already out. Turn base and final @80kts then slow it down to 75 right away, glide her down and get to 70 at the fence. Hold her 5 feet off the runway with no power as long as possible till she settles on her own. I've heard of people say to let the flaps out 5 feet off the runway and she'll settle down and stick real easy but I've never tried it.
There are several ways to achieve same goal.... :)
Since finding your channel, love it!!!
Would love to see something similar from decent, to IAF to FAF and then to landing.
That's coming very soon.... :)
Excellent video. I also have an Ovation LXJCO and it is exactly what my instructor made me do. Keep 80 on final, reduce progressively on short final and touch only when the stall alarm sounds. If I touch before, the plane bounces.
In addition, control speed by the pitch and the height by the throttle.
Looks like you got the technique perfected!
@@chriskoppel3940 It seems to me that you remove the flaps as soon as the wheels touch the ground? at 10:40 of the clip. 🤔
@@khangvutien2538 Yes, I do. No need for them once you have definitely landed. Remove extra lift so that if you need to brake the mains will have more weight on them. Yep, many instructors will tell you not to touch anything till off the runway....
Such a beautiful plane. Thank you for sharing! I am working on my PPL so perhaps one day lol!
Thank you!!
You'll get there. :)
I found your videos while researching to buy my own first aircraft, these 'Moonys' are definitely a top contender! I love the speed and flight design, now if I could only find one near me that's not over $300k
They can be found. 🙂
Look at the same year Bonanza as you are a Mooney I have owned both.I like the Bonanza better in every way,Landings are so much easier and more room.Go fly both good luck in your choice.
thanks for the numbers, only fly sim but valuable info.
Welcome!
Can I just say that I love the shirt? Go Navy! USNA 91
LOL!! Thank you!
I have a connection to the USNA as well. Go Navy!!!
Interesting that you seem to keep it at 2300 so long into the pattern. I tend to do my first GUMPS well short of the airport and adjust M and P full forward before reaching pattern altitude. 18” to get to gear altitude then 16” at pattern altitude. Another GUMPS on downwind with gear down. The 13”-14” on turning base with first notch of flaps (looking for around 90), last notch of flaps on final and I keep my finger on the trim button and manage sink with power adjustments. Like you it also needs back pressure to keep the nose up despite continuing on the trim button. Then I hold it off and listen for the stall horn. I always intend to look at airspeed but to be honest, I’m pretty busy from final to touchdown and never remember to look.
Great video, I enjoyed and will watch it again to look closely at your throttle control and airspeed on final. I may be keeping more power dialed in than I really need on short final.
Hi Donald,
There are obviously several ways to skin a cat. Continue doing what you do if you get good results and land well consistently. I aim to have descended to pattern altitude 2 - 3 NM from the airport with 18” MP and 2300 RPM with mixture rich of peak because that consistently gives me KIAS in mid 130’s by the time the plane slows down when reaching the airport. I find that lowering the gear prior to reaching the airport slows me down more than I want. Once I start throttling back I aim to continue doing so until I land. I will keep prop at 2300 because once you get to 16” or lower it has no effect on raising it above 2300. I go full prop on downwind with MP below 16”. Also 2300 is better for noise abatement that some communities like.
I will drop the gear as I turn crosswind or on a 45 deg leg to downwind and throttle back to 15-16” so that I am at flap speed as I enter downwind and there lower flaps to 10 deg. I will then throttle back some more as I come abeam the numbers and go to full flaps and adjust power around 12”-13” as I descend to turn base. I will adjust my pitch for speed and throttle for rate of descent so that I am eventually at ~75 KIAS on final. Once I have the pitch set I will usually only make slight adjustments with the throttle for descent rate as you do.
Does it always work out like that? Nope!!!!!! My goal though is a stable final approach at a speed close to 1.3 Vso plus any adjustments for gusts, crosswind, etc. Sometimes I have to deploy the speed brakes to help me slow down and/or descend if I didn’t “do it right”
thanks i get butter landing from my mooney on my msfs 2020
That is hard to do in a simulator. FS 2020 must be well tuned to the M20R's aerodynamics!
Thanks for the tips and demonstration. Curious to know where you got the model Mooney airplane. Would love to build an RC model of the Ovation?
Welcome roddraym. I got it from the original owner of my first Mooney (an '84 201) and he got it from the Mooney factory when he first bought the plane.
@@chriskoppel3940 Thanks Chris! There was a point in time when venders used to provide that kind of swag or gift when you purchased their products. Certainly cool to see and yours looks well preserved. Really enjoy your insightful videos and appreciate your well wishes to others regarding staying safe during this time. In return, very best wishes to you and your family...."United, We Stand!"
Chris is this a Mooney M20R that you are flying?
Yes it is. 1995 M20R (Ovation 1)
how did you fit inside that model!?! @0.32
It is a tight squeeze!!!😁
The key is to get away from stupid donut gear and get a plane with trailing link, the way it’s supposed to be done. Panthera or even Rockwell commander. Making excuses for nonsense year after year with one of these cramped planes. Ugh.
"Vive la différence".
Trailing link does smooth out landings with regular technique (more so on turf) while doughnuts need more "finesse" 😉
Panthera is a really nice plane though with great new technology coming up! Something to consider in the future.
I do like the older ('84) stick shift Porsche Carrera feel in the Mooney though 🙂 Taking curves and downshifting in that rear engine model always required skill. None of this easy semi-auto shift stuff that came out later along with more center mounted engines.
Anyway. Hope you do get a Panthera. Would love a ride in it!