I agree with Murray's point, All men are created equal, NOT identical Intelligence is but one attribute! Leadership, persistence, ingenuity, honesty, compassion, bravery, common sense, theyre all just as important. A good, healthy and successful society needs all the above
It's too bad that this video is chopped off at 10:39. I'd like to hear the rest of the talk. I guess I'll just have to borrow the public library's copy of the book!
One problem he does not mention is that some children lag behind in brain development, but catch up later. I was one of those. I could not score well on intelligence and achievement tests because my fifth grade brain was really a third grade brain. I was classified as having "low average intelligence" and tracked accordingly. I was informed that I was not college material and not to even try for that. But a few years later, my brain caught up and I actually became intellectual. It was too late to shine in the public school system, but later when I took some college courses I aced them. Never judge a "dumb" kid as being in a permanent, unfixed state.
+Sara K I was one of those. Only I was in middle school when I was basically told I am dumb. I didn't come out of my intellectual shell until half way through high school. Mr. Murray does tangentially address this point in his book. He frequently discusses in this book and also in The Bell Curve that the numbers are great for understanding groups and for helping to shape policies that affect groups. However, as he warns, the numbers should not be used to judge or presume anything about an individual.
There certainly is a value for a society to educate its populace. This is however not synonymous with more lucrative pay and benefits packages for unionized teachers and a union-controlled monopoly on elementary and secondary education.
It's ridiculous this self-esteem crap. Children are special until they reach adults... then you aren't so special are you? Some people have larger feet... so why not smarter? It's not that hard... That 50% is spot on, of 4 of my friends, 2 of us went. It does setup for failure. I think high school and college need to figure this out soon. I didn't go for many reasons (debt and this). I went for like 3 months and felt it wasn't what they said it was. I thought it would be more Greek-like.
not sure I agree with his approach of " well some people are not smart enough" I think this is controversial for a reason, but he does hint at something that is an ugly truth-- you cannot reach in and make someone change and do what you want. Education maintains the illusion that you can, which is why his approach is controversial, but it also is controversial because people have miraculously changed, but the problem is the rationalization of that by both sides of the argument.
Hmm...I don't like what Murray says about race but there very well may be differences b/w individuals. But it's hard to tell, very hard to tell. I think it's easy for someone to stand on a stage and tell Bobby over there he's too stupid to go to college. Maybe Bobby is or maybe Bobby has other issues. I was terrible in Algebra in 8th grade. Yet when I got to college I skipped a few math classes. America is endeavoring on educating more people than it ever has before. Im with the liberals on this
For most Americans and the lives they hope to live, a college degree is neither necessary nor beneficial. The learning skills required to speak and think and write and calculate and acquire needed knowledge throughout most people's lives can be inculcated before the end of adolescence. High school can and should do the job completely. The only thing preventing this has been America's system of education, and the whole utterly damnable "educationalist" teaching establishment.
This is such a clueless tslking point, of course not everybody can do everything. But it is not for the greater society to limit an individual potential,hopefully in time an indivdual and his or her imediate society begeins to realize thier limitations, and begains to wake up for the fact that they are not kings and queens as their childhood has nievly told them. But that is for them to realize not society to strong arm into. And for DrCruel yes it is the unions and not the one percent who is really runing our once examplary American society. Way to put the blame on the weak,and see the bigger picture you're a fucking genius, mater a fact let me say it here I think everybody in this youtube channel sees the forrest for the trees, and is brilliant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+mathew idicula He is not advocating for limiting people's potential. He is advocating for a realistic approach where we don't set people up for disappointment and failure; where we recognize that people have abilities other than a high intellect that may make them valuable to society and foster those abilities. Instead we have geared our society so much to push people into college that there is now a stigma associated with people who don't go or drop out. All it does is continue to foster the elitist mentality that is dividing our country.
I don't understand why societies always lean towards social strata. Why does someone always have to do what's in the "best" interest of society? What happened to freedoms. I'm not going to tell a person what to do or when to do it. Go your own way!
I agree with Murray's point,
All men are created equal, NOT identical
Intelligence is but one attribute!
Leadership, persistence, ingenuity, honesty, compassion, bravery, common sense, theyre all just as important.
A good, healthy and successful society needs all the above
It's too bad that this video is chopped off at 10:39. I'd like to hear the rest of the talk. I guess I'll just have to borrow the public library's copy of the book!
Dr. Murray summed it up very well.
#CharlesMurray good work my friend
One problem he does not mention is that some children lag behind in brain development, but catch up later. I was one of those. I could not score well on intelligence and achievement tests because my fifth grade brain was really a third grade brain. I was classified as having "low average intelligence" and tracked accordingly. I was informed that I was not college material and not to even try for that. But a few years later, my brain caught up and I actually became intellectual. It was too late to shine in the public school system, but later when I took some college courses I aced them. Never judge a "dumb" kid as being in a permanent, unfixed state.
+Sara K I was one of those. Only I was in middle school when I was basically told I am dumb. I didn't come out of my intellectual shell until half way through high school. Mr. Murray does tangentially address this point in his book. He frequently discusses in this book and also in The Bell Curve that the numbers are great for understanding groups and for helping to shape policies that affect groups. However, as he warns, the numbers should not be used to judge or presume anything about an individual.
Sadly, human beings have a tendency to make these judgements.
We don't believe you. You lie.
There certainly is a value for a society to educate its populace. This is however not synonymous with more lucrative pay and benefits packages for unionized teachers and a union-controlled monopoly on elementary and secondary education.
It's ridiculous this self-esteem crap. Children are special until they reach adults... then you aren't so special are you? Some people have larger feet... so why not smarter? It's not that hard... That 50% is spot on, of 4 of my friends, 2 of us went. It does setup for failure. I think high school and college need to figure this out soon. I didn't go for many reasons (debt and this). I went for like 3 months and felt it wasn't what they said it was. I thought it would be more Greek-like.
hello #BookTV and long-term friends..
Wow, this is very interesting. I always thought college was too easy - even boring, just memorizing crap.
So true, so true.
not sure I agree with his approach of " well some people are not smart enough" I think this is controversial for a reason, but he does hint at something that is an ugly truth-- you cannot reach in and make someone change and do what you want. Education maintains the illusion that you can, which is why his approach is controversial, but it also is controversial because people have miraculously changed, but the problem is the rationalization of that by both sides of the argument.
Hmm...I don't like what Murray says about race but there very well may be differences b/w individuals. But it's hard to tell, very hard to tell. I think it's easy for someone to stand on a stage and tell Bobby over there he's too stupid to go to college. Maybe Bobby is or maybe Bobby has other issues. I was terrible in Algebra in 8th grade. Yet when I got to college I skipped a few math classes. America is endeavoring on educating more people than it ever has before. Im with the liberals on this
Kids going to college today is like a cow with a blindfold around its head running in the direction of the slaughterhouse.
For most Americans and the lives they hope to live, a college degree is neither necessary nor beneficial. The learning skills required to speak and think and write and calculate and acquire needed knowledge throughout most people's lives can be inculcated before the end of adolescence. High school can and should do the job completely.
The only thing preventing this has been America's system of education, and the whole utterly damnable "educationalist" teaching establishment.
Speaking of education...
..."'its' populace."
@awrezy
black 85
latino 90
white 100
far east asian 110
european jew 114
The problem is bigger than just blacks.
This is such a clueless tslking point, of course not everybody can do everything. But it is not for the greater society to limit an individual potential,hopefully in time an indivdual and his or her imediate society begeins to realize thier limitations, and begains to wake up for the fact that they are not kings and queens as their childhood has nievly told them. But that is for them to realize not society to strong arm into.
And for DrCruel yes it is the unions and not the one percent who is really runing our once examplary American society. Way to put the blame on the weak,and see the bigger picture you're a fucking genius, mater a fact let me say it here I think everybody in this youtube channel sees the forrest for the trees, and is brilliant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+mathew idicula He is not advocating for limiting people's potential. He is advocating for a realistic approach where we don't set people up for disappointment and failure; where we recognize that people have abilities other than a high intellect that may make them valuable to society and foster those abilities. Instead we have geared our society so much to push people into college that there is now a stigma associated with people who don't go or drop out. All it does is continue to foster the elitist mentality that is dividing our country.
I don't understand why societies always lean towards social strata. Why does someone always have to do what's in the "best" interest of society? What happened to freedoms. I'm not going to tell a person what to do or when to do it. Go your own way!