I really like this format, where you try out someone's bow. It's fun, it's a different perspective, and it really shows that you're more than just that weird booth in the mall... Keep up the good work.
That bow is supposed to be able to shoot "ae gi sal" which are very short arrows shot with an overdraw attachment. It is going to like very light arrows. The "ae gi sal" for that bow would be about 35 to 40 cm long and would weigh about 3 grains/lb of bow weight. Should be leaving the bow at about 250 fps.
This is a modernized carbon bow. It is a bow replaced with carbon instead of the buffalo horn. The original horn bow is "C" shaped Auxiliary equipment should be used on the thumb of the right hand. Equipment = Pod? thimble? The horn bow needs to be prepared before practice (about 30 minutes to an hour). Use heat. The horn bow has good performance but is difficult to handle. I used Google Translator.
Vilhjalmr Edmundson it should be used to maintain consistency and if you go higher pounds it would be extremely painful to draw after you loose few arrows
Armin those Korean bow sleeve/quivers are supremely practical, imo. I can walk , run, ride a bike - all silently with arrows well secured to my hip bone. Slipping arrows out of the sleeve/belt and onto the string is incredibly natural because you don't have to change the spinal posture in between shots. If I could afford to send you one I would - they make shooting a better experience
I'm in process of making fully traditional ones (no plastic/modern glues/fiberglass/whatever) and I can't imagine why any1 would decide to start making them for a living. Such a challenging craft! And I'm pretty sure only one or two will survive the initial testing because I have noone to notice and fix mistakes I may be doing
맞는 말이고 전통 각궁은 C자로 완전히 굽어있죠. 근데 각궁이라는 말 자체가 뿔각자를 쓴거라 뿔 재질이 들어간거면 각궁이라고 할 수는 있어요. 다만 전통이냐 개량형이냐의 차이겠지요. 영상에 나오는 활의 판매처가 freddie archery라고 평택에 있는 국내 기업인데 거기서 이야기 주신 전통적인 각궁뿐만 아니라 같은 물소뿔이 들어가지만 좀 더 운용하기 편하고 좀 더 싼 개량형 각궁도 판매하는걸로 압니다. 영상에 나온 제품은 태극이고 영문 명으로는 TAEGEUK HORN BOW네요. 그리고 영문 카탈로그에는 전통 각궁도 각궁으로, 개량형도 각궁으로 표기가 되어 있어요.
전통 각궁은 일반인들(특히 저런 해외 거주자분들)이 살만한 유통경로도 없고, 가격도 비쌀 뿐더러 습기에 너무나도 취약해 관리가 정말정말 엄청 까다롭습니다. 구하기도 힘들고 비싼 물건이 조금만 삐끗하면 쓰레기통행이다? 회사 입장에서 이런 물건 팔고 싶지도 않고 소비자 입장에서도 이런 물건은 살 수가 없습니다. 한마디로 전통 각궁은 정말 문화유산으로 남겨야할 우리의 소중한 전통이지만 사람들이 막 사서 쓰고 할 수 있는 물건은 아닙니다
Hello I am pe teacher in South Korea. I think you know very well about archery like a professianal. But I want to tell you some. First, there is a tool for thumb which is called ggak gy. It may help you to getting power and protect your hand. And second left foot should toward to the target and right foot should toward 45degree about 2 o'clock direction. It calls 'by jung by pal', and last if the line(sy wie) should touch your right cheen and left chest then it will help you to shoot straight. Thank you for introducing Korean archery~
That was probably the fastest click on a TH-cam notification ever for me... 😂 Basically my thoughts: “Malta Archery new video” - cool. “Review” - nice! “Korean Hornbow” - YAAAAASSSSSSS
Horn bow is great powerful weapon but weak to weather specially hot and moisture, which could resolve glue. So in summer they needed different bow in Joseon army.
I've got one. Real fast and great maneuverable, light weight, but one thing about this korean bow is less forgiveness because of its siyah. 9/10 for me.
Some dude in my archery range had one of these in black, he shot it for three years and when he brought it out it was slightly twisted. Dude mentioned that the twist had to be fixed by bending the siyah in the opposite direction, which worked for the first few dozen shots before the bow completely exploded while he was drawing. Scary thing.
some people here complaining about it's not a genuine horn bow. Well, i don't know what genuine horn bow is, but to rethink that the horn layer is only 2,4 mm (as someone said here) creates an enormous difference (as Mr Hirmer experienced here), then the fact just speaks for itself.
Chiness called Korean=Bowman of East. Gakgung= buffalo horn bow price starts from $1000 above in general. In Gungdo (archery art), the target is placed at 100m-150m range.
I almost bought this bow. I decided to buy one from Thomas Duvernay instead. The one he sales has real birch bark on the back of the bow, I like that. I enjoy my Korean bow, but still my heart is with my Ottoman bows.
mine too :D and for the hwarang. i was in contact with Thomas and asked for resell prices, as I deal with bows. 15 USD off the normal price is not working, when you have a business like me. So I never got one, butI am sure it is an amazing bow
That's not true - do your fucking research before telling lies on the internet - especially lies that could potentially hurt someone's business. FACT Prof. Duvernay sells a higher quality product than all the others in this price range and lower. He's run a website and forum since longer than you've been alive, probably. My only relationship to him is that I bought one of his bows years ago and beat the shit out of it, and it never failed in any way. You won't read about genuine Hwarang bows failing like YGMs or Freddy's or pretty much all the others. Sorry for the language, Armin.
this is more "modernized manufacturing process" model to reduce cost. true "traditional" Korean hornbow is reflex bow, which will make "C" shape when un-strung.
@@Jake-dh9qk You tie it around you like a belt, and slide the arrows between you and the sleeve. Simple, but effective. You can see Armin put the arrows in his belt in some videos. The sleeve is wide so the arrows are held nicely. Thing is, you don't use the sleeve at all, unless you are transporting the bow. So this makes it more useful. And it's way quicker and more practical than a quiver in my opinion. But I would still wait for Armins reply on this, as he might have a better idea on the subject 😀
The handle is thick. A lot. Require users to make appropriate cuts That's how Korean users use it. Remove completely > Wrap the band and use a thin grip
Before I make any comments, I feel I should make clear where I'm coming from. I have been practicing traditional Korean archery now for 18 and a half years. In that time I have used a fair number of bows, both the carbon similarities of hornbows and real hornbows. I currently have eleven carbon bows from four bowyers. I have had 14 hornbows from six different bowyers. Over time, I have come to trust the bows from one particular bowyer. Whenever, I get a new bow, I visit him. We go over the bow, make adjustments to it, then go to his archery club to test it out. We usually finish up by going out to a duck restaurant for what else, but a Korean duck bbq. We do a lot of talking about hornbows, be it about making them orshooting them. I have used hornbows now for 15 of the 18 and a half years, so I think I have a little bit of knowledge about them. That said, I still have a lot more to learn about them. Aside from my own hornbows, I have seen a lot of bows owned by other archers made by other bowyers that I haven't purchased from. Now down to talking about the bow you received. I recognized the sticker on the bow. That particular bowyer used to have a booth at the competitions we have for Goongdoh here in Korea. That was about a dozen years ago. I haven't seen him now for about half that time. I looked over the bows he was selling and quickly rejected them as not ones to seriously consider compared to the quality of other bowyers' products. The point of this is this: he was selling those bows as carbon bows. They were not hornbows. And I really regret saying this, but that bow you received is not a hornbow! An unstrung hornbow has a C shape, not a more or less flat line like the bow you have. The horn on a hornbow will have a curved surface from side to side. Your bow is flat. A hornbow will have sinew on the other side of the limbs. The sinew will also be curved and it will be covered with birch bark. That is not the case with your bow. Sorry, but someone sold you a bill of goods. They may have called it a hornbow, but it is not. In any event, don't let my little comment here, discourage you form enjoying the pleasure of using your bow. Best and many hits.
It seems strange to be replying to one of my own comments, but several things have come to light in the past month that make it necessary to rethink a couple of the points I made. The first is to the recognition of the sticker placed on the bow. In checking the many bows that fellow members of our club have, I have found that two bowyers have similar stickers, so I may very well be talking about the wrong bowyer when I talked about one that was going to competitions many years ago. What I said may be true for one bowyer, but is not necessarily and may even be inaccurate/wrong for the other, that bowyer being the one marketing this hybrid hornbow. This brings me to my second point. I had the opportunity this past weekend to see and shoot one of these bows. Actual hands on far outweighs seeing the bow in a video. The background information about this bow may be informative. Another bowyer who is based here in Busan, Korea, brought one to our club. What the relationship is between him and the maker of these bows, I don't know, but he did provide a bit of information about the composition of these bows. They are a two layer laminate of carbon fibre and horn, with the horn of course being on the belly side. Visually, the birch bark covering the back appears real to sight and to touch. I've seen plastic imitation bark and this backing is not anything like that. The red, nock pads are the ones used on standard hornbows.. To the all-important component of the bow, the horn. The colour of the one I saw was a little light, tending towards the rarer white horn occasionally found on bows. The feel of the surface was that of horn. It is not the colour or texture of any carbon fibre I've seen on carbon similarities of hornbows. So, yes, I take back my comment that this is not a hornbow. I'd say this is a hornbow in that it has horn as a major part of its composition. However, for competition purposes here in Korea, it would still be classified as a carbon bow. To end on a lighter note, the bow we had was rated at 46 pounds. With my 30 inch draw, I was likely pulling 50-51 pounds. With my longer draw, it stacked a little towards the end of the draw. The bow I currently use shoots 45 pounds, so using the aim point for my 50 pound bow, I immediately was getting hits. A friend's bow is 55 + pounds. Using his normal aim point, he shot long. In fact, he should have been shooting short of the target. I can't think of any credible explanation for this. However, I can say it is a nice bow to shoot. Whether the bowyer will be able to sell many here in Korea, I don't know. The price is 350 000 won, that being 100 000 won more that a premium carbon bow and 300 000 won less than a standard hornbow. It can't be used in hornbow competitions as it lacks the sinew backing. The bow we had didn't have either the Association-approved carbon bow number sticker or the hornbow sticker. This may only be a case of the bowyer not bothering to put one on. Usually the bowyers put these stickers on at time of sale. Now this reply is far too long so I'll end it. However, I liked this bow after having handled and shot one and I hope anyone with one has an enjoyable, good time using it. Best and many hits.
A question for Chris about this bow. How is it holding up over this time? Any issues with the horn? Thinking of getting one but there are not many reviews, let alone long term reviews out there. Thank you.
I saw a Korean horn bow for $1000 that looked a little more authentic than this one, it made a full C shape when unstrung. I'd love to see a review for that bow, it would be a bargain at that price if it's as good as it looks.
I bought that bow. It exploded the first time I strung it. Never even got to draw it. It comes with an explicit disclaimer, so I'm having issues with Freddie. The bowyer says it's my fault. Freddie says he will send me a KTB instead. I'm still waiting. I have had two other Freddie bows, they are great
You need to be very knowledgeable to use that bow. It's quite a hassle to string it properly, unless you learned it from a korean master archer and have a proper tools to do it. For me, it's not worth it. Just get a modernized Korean bow.
It is a thing of Great Beauty. I want one! EDIT: I've spoken of this before. Please use a thumbring. My empathy is too sensitive to enjoy your suffering.
I’m a S-Korean old man’ So l was born 1953 in Korea war Yeah l know about like that’s very strong and high quality Ana very expensive like that”--!!! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻👍👍👍 oh yes”
활은 개량형 복합궁인 것 처럼 보여지네요. 전통적인 복합궁보다 장력이 적은 것으로 보여집니다. 다만 처음에 활을 당기시는 분을 보니 동양궁으르많이 접하신 분인것 같습니다. 동양궁과 서양궁은 손파지가 다른데 엄지로 당기시는 것을 벌 수 있습니다. 서양의 대표적인 장궁은 검지 중지 파지를 하지만 동양에서는 엄지로 파지하고 살을 날립니다.
I have a white feather fairy bow , I just love it , but am wanting to get this " Korean " style of bow in a less factory made look , so this looks to fit my wants , are there any others I should check out , I can't afford a "real horn bow " but still looking like it was more hand made , or am I asking too much ?
I think that is Taeguk hornbow which has a horn back but modern material belly. Depending on where you are, you get a much better deal on a same product by asking a Korean friend to place a direct order to a bowyer.
Armin Hirmer aren't you in atarn or kta on fb? I'm sure some of them are in korea and willing to help you. If I lived in Korea, I'd help you myself. Once you know how much more expensive freddie archery sells the same product, you may have a whole new stance.
I am not overly interested in Korean bows and Chris the owner of this bow bought this one from Freddie and I understand, when you make a living, you need to charge some money for your service. of course one can get always everything somewhere cheaper and better. Up to everyone. We get now a bow for free from Freddie, so I don't mind :)
not a very kind person as it seems Ivar. I never said it is a real horn bow with sinew and all that shit. Even the owner told you what it is all about. So I don't get your problem now. Freddie did not pay me anything - you got my personal opinion of this bow and it is FULLY up to you to like that or not. But dude, never question me
So I haven't finished watching the video yet, but something that stood out to me: if this is a horn bow, doesn't the horn need to be made pliable by application of heat before stringing it? It seems that it was able to be strung without such a step. I had seen in a documentary that it was done with a hot plate in some instances.
Vellikos No you don’ t have to heat the bow before stringing it, they don’t glue an entire slab of horn onto the belly, only thin, even slices, it can flex similar to a thin piece of fibreglass; you only heat it when making the bow, to bend it to a preferred shape and after it cooled it would stay in that shape.
From what I understand, heating is applied if there is inconsistensy in bending of the bow. If one limb bends less than others, then heat is applied to make it more pliable.
A question about brace height if I may? After shooting my Kheshig for a bit over an hour I noticed the brace height got a bit off balance. Is this normal on a laminated bow? Do I just correct it like you do with the horn bow here?
@@ArminHirmer If I "wiggle" it a bit carefully in the opposite direction it goes back. But after shooting it more it goes off balance again. It's not much, but it's enough to be noticable. I'm nocking the arrow in the right place, but still... I will look into it more. Thank you for the answer.
@@ArminHirmer After just a few shots now the the upper tiller is 1 cm longer than the lower. The lower one IS under more stress, right? But seeing as how you have never had this happen on a laminated bow to you, could it be a manufacturing error? I mean, the bow is still amazing, shoots perfectly, but I'm a bit worried if this happens after only one month of shooting. Should I contact Alibow about it? Sorry if I'm a bit tedious, but I really love this bow 😄
It's modern laminated bow. they come from 3 different types, 1. carbon fiber bow belly. 2. bamboo bow belly. 3. horn strip bow belly. Its bow cores are made from bamboo and wood(handle), Bow backs are made from carbon fiber. the different is the materials used in belly. (In my opinion, the type with bamboo belly preforms best, horn is too heavy) It doesn't have any sinew or animal glue on it. If you don't mind you are welcome to have a test of my real horn bows, they are authentic real horn bows. fine my works and products in the FaceBook page "horn bows" or "taiwanhornbow". Thank you.
I don't think that's true Bak. Koreans used all types of bows and they could definitely make war bows as big as the ones in picture with incredible draw weight.
Just Me , according to the specs it does have sinew. So this bow is a combination of traditional materials and modern materials. But, all that apart. The bow is superb.
Really interesting contents!!! But hat is not real traditional Korean horn bow. That is laminated horn bow used in this video. Please make a review about real traditional horn bow after. Maybe very difficult to handle it.
For no misunderstood. Production method of Old Korean bow had lost a great amount of time ago. Their work is nice but what they made is refined modern bow not a something traditional.
Really? Did you get the order of hornbow - other bow (carbon?) - all-day-long - half-day out of place? Carbon bows don't need to be tuned,are left strung all-day long with no need to re-tune them. However, strung, Korean hornbows tend to lose their shape if left for any length of time. 보궁 (boh goong(s)) (loops of leather about ten cm long) is/are always placed on the limb(s)/string immediately after tuning and/or finishing a 순 (soon) (a round of five arrows). If the bows are not going to be shot for any length of time, say an hour or more, the 궁 대 (goong dae) (the bow cover/sash/belt-quiver) is wrapped around the upper and lower limbs to help the bow keep its shape. When removed, the bow's shape will be checked and re-tuned, if necessary. That was the case for me last Saturday. I strung and tuned my hornbow at my 종 (jeong/club), shot a couple of practice 순, then wrapped my bow for the drive to another 종 for a competition. After a two-hour drive, I unwrapped my bow and found the lower limb had lost some of its bowing. I had to re-tune the bow.
Korean bows shouldn't hang strings like that. The bow is so small that I walk in reverse. I'll show you how to hang strings on my channel later. Always watching well
Ahhaa AHHHAAAA !!!!!!! ^#@%$#"!!!! pornography and Archery, only Armin could pull this off. LOL!!! Armin great video that bow was made To KHAHHHTRAAAHHHAAAA!!!! aaahhh aah AHHHAAAA!!!!!
첫 번째 쏜 분은 시위를 놓을 때 안 좋은 버릇이 있네요. 최대한 당긴 지점에서 오른 손은 그 당긴 곳에서 그대로 손가락만 벌려서 놓아야 되는데 저 분은 5센치 이상 손을 앞으로 밀면서 놓네요. 저렇게 되면 파괴력 무지 떨어짐 활이 개량형이라 그 파괴력이 현저히 떨어짐. 제대로 된 각궁은 시위를 걸기 전에는 완전 C 자 형으로 휘어짐. 제대로 된 각궁으로 쏘면 깜놀랄 듯
Is this a horn bow or a horn/synthetic hybrid ? I ask because we keep hearing of "bio composites" etc and frankly its misleading. Can we call a bow a hornbow, just because it has horn, when the main power ( tensile) comes from some carbon/glass/polymer composite ? A little unclear.
@@ArminHirmer I accept innovation absolutely, but the problem here is that its fairly well acknowledged that a hornbow is a natural, tri-laminate made of at least 3 layers- one in tension, one in compression and one neutral plane- natural materials held together by a collagen glue and animal or plant binding. This basis has been the formula for many composite bows of various ethnicities. Its rather an important item really because it helps the understanding of what makes a bow. For this reason, its all the more vital that lay minds and beginner enthusiasts do not confuse the issues involved. Dont get me wrong, you are doing a great job introducing archery devoid of the technical trappings of today, but a bit of attention to technical detail will improve matters in some quarters. Apropos: Just an offhand observation: I watched you draw this bow with a white background: It seemed as if the syah or parts of the outer limbs, at full draw flexed a little, so perhaps added some "stack". Dont know if this is true.
Yepp sure thing, on the other side no beginner in archery will start most probably with a composite bow and until he is there he will own how to differentiate :) I don’t know anymore about this now, not mode did not shot it since then
Korea is a country that makes bows well and shoots well since ancient times
Thank you very much for filming this video as a Korean archer!
@@hyeoklife 아닙니다ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
딱 바도 사칭 인 걸 뭐하 로 물어 보나요??
본인 입으로 대위 라고 안하고 오로지 영상 참고 할때만 대위 씁니다. 연출에서요
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@@Jesus-lu5bm 음...사실은 저도 채널 프로필에 아무런 설명이 없어서 사칭이 아닐까 하는 생각이 들긴 했습니다...
이런류의 사칭 극혐.
사칭이면 대놓고 사칭인거 티나게 웃긴짤 같은걸로 올리면서 드립이나 치든가.
I really like this format, where you try out someone's bow.
It's fun, it's a different perspective, and it really shows that you're more than just that weird booth in the mall...
Keep up the good work.
That bow is supposed to be able to shoot "ae gi sal" which are very short arrows shot with an overdraw attachment. It is going to like very light arrows. The "ae gi sal" for that bow would be about 35 to 40 cm long and would weigh about 3 grains/lb of bow weight. Should be leaving the bow at about 250 fps.
Are you sure modern glue can take 3gpp? With traditional one, glue will repair itself every time it's reheated.
This is a modernized carbon bow.
It is a bow replaced with carbon instead of the buffalo horn.
The original horn bow is "C" shaped
Auxiliary equipment should be used on the thumb of the right hand.
Equipment = Pod? thimble?
The horn bow needs to be prepared before practice (about 30 minutes to an hour).
Use heat.
The horn bow has good performance but is difficult to handle.
I used Google Translator.
Good points.
A release aid/thumb ring "should be used" or *can be used? Personally, they irritate my joints more than they help.
It is buffalo horn.
Vilhjalmr Edmundson it should be used to maintain consistency and if you go higher pounds it would be extremely painful to draw after you loose few arrows
@@MiaogisTeas you will literally lose flesh on your thumb after 20 pulls apparently. so probably helps to wear one!
Armin those Korean bow sleeve/quivers are supremely practical, imo. I can walk , run, ride a bike - all silently with arrows well secured to my hip bone. Slipping arrows out of the sleeve/belt and onto the string is incredibly natural because you don't have to change the spinal posture in between shots. If I could afford to send you one I would - they make shooting a better experience
I'm in process of making fully traditional ones (no plastic/modern glues/fiberglass/whatever) and I can't imagine why any1 would decide to start making them for a living. Such a challenging craft! And I'm pretty sure only one or two will survive the initial testing because I have noone to notice and fix mistakes I may be doing
각궁이라 하시는분 많은데
카본재질의 개량궁 입니다
각궁은 저런형태 아니고
시위도 저렿게 걸지 않습니다~
맞는 말이고 전통 각궁은 C자로 완전히 굽어있죠.
근데 각궁이라는 말 자체가 뿔각자를 쓴거라 뿔 재질이 들어간거면 각궁이라고 할 수는 있어요. 다만 전통이냐 개량형이냐의 차이겠지요.
영상에 나오는 활의 판매처가 freddie archery라고 평택에 있는 국내 기업인데 거기서 이야기 주신 전통적인 각궁뿐만 아니라 같은 물소뿔이 들어가지만 좀 더 운용하기 편하고 좀 더 싼 개량형 각궁도 판매하는걸로 압니다. 영상에 나온 제품은 태극이고 영문 명으로는 TAEGEUK HORN BOW네요.
그리고 영문 카탈로그에는 전통 각궁도 각궁으로, 개량형도 각궁으로 표기가 되어 있어요.
전통 각궁은 일반인들(특히 저런 해외 거주자분들)이 살만한 유통경로도 없고, 가격도 비쌀 뿐더러 습기에 너무나도 취약해 관리가 정말정말 엄청 까다롭습니다. 구하기도 힘들고 비싼 물건이 조금만 삐끗하면 쓰레기통행이다? 회사 입장에서 이런 물건 팔고 싶지도 않고 소비자 입장에서도 이런 물건은 살 수가 없습니다. 한마디로 전통 각궁은 정말 문화유산으로 남겨야할 우리의 소중한 전통이지만 사람들이 막 사서 쓰고 할 수 있는 물건은 아닙니다
흑소각 이랑 자작나무로 만들어진 궁 이라고 했고요. 처음에 한 말 중에 일반적인 각궁들은 더 극단적으로 꺾여 있다고 이야기했어요. 현 무계가 낮은 궁인가봐요.
Hello I am pe teacher in South Korea. I think you know very well about archery like a professianal. But I want to tell you some. First, there is a tool for thumb which is called ggak gy. It may help you to getting power and protect your hand. And second left foot should toward to the target and right foot should toward 45degree about 2 o'clock direction. It calls 'by jung by pal', and last if the line(sy wie) should touch your right cheen and left chest then it will help you to shoot straight. Thank you for introducing Korean archery~
Hi thank you, I know the Korean style is a bit different to what we do. Thank you
Beautiful bow.
That was probably the fastest click on a TH-cam notification ever for me... 😂
Basically my thoughts:
“Malta Archery new video” - cool.
“Review” - nice!
“Korean Hornbow” - YAAAAASSSSSSS
Horn bow is great powerful weapon but weak to weather specially hot and moisture, which could resolve glue. So in summer they needed different bow in Joseon army.
True. Back then they have two sets of bow, one for summer and another one for winter
I simply love how you hold more arrows on your right hand when you're shooting, I should give it a try next time when my teacher is not around 😂👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
I've got one. Real fast and great maneuverable, light weight, but one thing about this korean bow is less forgiveness because of its siyah.
9/10 for me.
takes a few shots, yes
Really a nice bow...
ASMR. I cant get enough of that slinging sound.
Some dude in my archery range had one of these in black, he shot it for three years and when he brought it out it was slightly twisted. Dude mentioned that the twist had to be fixed by bending the siyah in the opposite direction, which worked for the first few dozen shots before the bow completely exploded while he was drawing. Scary thing.
이건 각궁이 아니고 개량궁 인거 같습니다. 각궁은 시위를 빼면 저렇게 모양이 잡히지 않아요. 공처럼 되요...
만곡궁 이라더군요 우리 전통각궁은.
맞습니다 각궁....
@@jsk6390 어딜 봐서 저게 각궁인지요? 아무리 봐도 각궁이 아니고 개량 궁인거 같습니다만... 조선각궁은 시위가 없을때는 공처럼 말려요. 그리고 각궁의 모양 자체도 다르구요... 저건 개량궁입니다.
sangyoung oh 그건아는데요 각궁 한번 펴지고 제대로 점화장에서 관리안하면 보통 저런 모습입니다. 개량궁은 저 오금쪽이 시위를 내렸을때 뽈록 튀어나오지 않아요....
@@jsk6390 유럽에서 만든 제품입니다...
some people here complaining about it's not a genuine horn bow. Well, i don't know what genuine horn bow is, but to rethink that the horn layer is only 2,4 mm (as someone said here) creates an enormous difference (as Mr Hirmer experienced here), then the fact just speaks for itself.
it's a fast bow, beautiful.
활의 매력은 직사 가 아닌 곡사이다.
곡사로 명중을 하면 이 영상에서 느끼는 희열 최소 10000배 느낄것이다.
곡사는 명중을 위한게 아닌데...
자기의 개인적인 취향을 정답처럼 말씀하시면 안됍니다.
I got excited, I thought the black shadow from freddiearchery came in. Lol
Wonderful looking bow, Armin.
Flaxen Saxon
유튜버 영상을 몇개 보았지만 각궁에 대해 지식이 전무한것 같다.
Chiness called Korean=Bowman of East.
Gakgung= buffalo horn bow price starts from $1000 above in general.
In Gungdo (archery art), the target is placed at 100m-150m range.
I almost bought this bow. I decided to buy one from Thomas Duvernay instead. The one he sales has real birch bark on the back of the bow, I like that. I enjoy my Korean bow, but still my heart is with my Ottoman bows.
mine too :D and for the hwarang. i was in contact with Thomas and asked for resell prices, as I deal with bows. 15 USD off the normal price is not working, when you have a business like me. So I never got one, butI am sure it is an amazing bow
Ernest Sheffield I also bought one from Thomas. About $400.00 American. Pretty sure mine may be fiberglass as his horn were ranging about $1000.00
if you contact YMG directly, you will get a better deal. Hwarang bow Thomas sells and YMG bow are identical.
I have three from Alibows and I love them!
That's not true - do your fucking research before telling lies on the internet - especially lies that could potentially hurt someone's business. FACT Prof. Duvernay sells a higher quality product than all the others in this price range and lower. He's run a website and forum since longer than you've been alive, probably. My only relationship to him is that I bought one of his bows years ago and beat the shit out of it, and it never failed in any way. You won't read about genuine Hwarang bows failing like YGMs or Freddy's or pretty much all the others. Sorry for the language, Armin.
Erst jetzt gesehen, geiler Bogen, Danke für das Informative Video.
this is more "modernized manufacturing process" model to reduce cost.
true "traditional" Korean hornbow is reflex bow, which will make "C" shape when un-strung.
You're so smart!
Yes indeed good sir
Not to mention a traditional korean horn bow takes a half hour to string.
@@Jesus-lu5bm 헐 여기서 뵙다니
You blew my mind with that concept of using a bow sleeve for a belt. Just tried it and I'm never using a quiver again 😁
tutorial on how to do it?
@@Jake-dh9qk Just tie it in a regular knot. Works just fine 😁
@@gizmonomono do I just put the arrows thru the knots??
@@Jake-dh9qk You tie it around you like a belt, and slide the arrows between you and the sleeve. Simple, but effective. You can see Armin put the arrows in his belt in some videos. The sleeve is wide so the arrows are held nicely. Thing is, you don't use the sleeve at all, unless you are transporting the bow. So this makes it more useful. And it's way quicker and more practical than a quiver in my opinion. But I would still wait for Armins reply on this, as he might have a better idea on the subject 😀
@@gizmonomono oh I see now, thank you for the expedient response!
The handle is thick. A lot.
Require users to make appropriate cuts
That's how Korean users use it.
Remove completely > Wrap the band and use a thin grip
Depends
Before I make any comments, I feel I should make clear where I'm coming from. I have been practicing traditional Korean archery now for 18 and a half years. In that time I have used a fair number of bows, both the carbon similarities of hornbows and real hornbows. I currently have eleven carbon bows from four bowyers. I have had 14 hornbows from six different bowyers. Over time, I have come to trust the bows from one particular bowyer. Whenever, I get a new bow, I visit him. We go over the bow, make adjustments to it, then go to his archery club to test it out. We usually finish up by going out to a duck restaurant for what else, but a Korean duck bbq. We do a lot of talking about hornbows, be it about making them orshooting them. I have used hornbows now for 15 of the 18 and a half years, so I think I have a little bit of knowledge about them. That said, I still have a lot more to learn about them. Aside from my own hornbows, I have seen a lot of bows owned by other archers made by other bowyers that I haven't purchased from.
Now down to talking about the bow you received. I recognized the sticker on the bow. That particular bowyer used to have a booth at the competitions we have for Goongdoh here in Korea. That was about a dozen years ago. I haven't seen him now for about half that time. I looked over the bows he was selling and quickly rejected them as not ones to seriously consider compared to the quality of other bowyers' products. The point of this is this: he was selling those bows as carbon bows. They were not hornbows.
And I really regret saying this, but that bow you received is not a hornbow! An unstrung hornbow has a C shape, not a more or less flat line like the bow you have. The horn on a hornbow will have a curved surface from side to side. Your bow is flat. A hornbow will have sinew on the other side of the limbs. The sinew will also be curved and it will be covered with birch bark. That is not the case with your bow. Sorry, but someone sold you a bill of goods. They may have called it a hornbow, but it is not.
In any event, don't let my little comment here, discourage you form enjoying the pleasure of using your bow.
Best and many hits.
It seems strange to be replying to one of my own comments, but several things have come to light in the past month that make it necessary to rethink a couple of the points I made.
The first is to the recognition of the sticker placed on the bow. In checking the many bows that fellow members of our club have, I have found that two bowyers have similar stickers, so I may very well be talking about the wrong bowyer when I talked about one that was going to competitions many years ago. What I said may be true for one bowyer, but is not necessarily and may even be inaccurate/wrong for the other, that bowyer being the one marketing this hybrid hornbow. This brings me to my second point.
I had the opportunity this past weekend to see and shoot one of these bows. Actual hands on far outweighs seeing the bow in a video.
The background information about this bow may be informative. Another bowyer who is based here in Busan, Korea, brought one to our club. What the relationship is between him and the maker of these bows, I don't know, but he did provide a bit of information about the composition of these bows. They are a two layer laminate of carbon fibre and horn, with the horn of course being on the belly side. Visually, the birch bark covering the back appears real to sight and to touch. I've seen plastic imitation bark and this backing is not anything like that. The red, nock pads are the ones used on standard hornbows.. To the all-important component of the bow, the horn. The colour of the one I saw was a little light, tending towards the rarer white horn occasionally found on bows. The feel of the surface was that of horn. It is not the colour or texture of any carbon fibre I've seen on carbon similarities of hornbows. So, yes, I take back my comment that this is not a hornbow. I'd say this is a hornbow in that it has horn as a major part of its composition. However, for competition purposes here in Korea, it would still be classified as a carbon bow.
To end on a lighter note, the bow we had was rated at 46 pounds. With my 30 inch draw, I was likely pulling 50-51 pounds. With my longer draw, it stacked a little towards the end of the draw. The bow I currently use shoots 45 pounds, so using the aim point for my 50 pound bow, I immediately was getting hits. A friend's bow is 55 + pounds. Using his normal aim point, he shot long. In fact, he should have been shooting short of the target. I can't think of any credible explanation for this. However, I can say it is a nice bow to shoot.
Whether the bowyer will be able to sell many here in Korea, I don't know. The price is 350 000 won, that being 100 000 won more that a premium carbon bow and 300 000 won less than a standard hornbow. It can't be used in hornbow competitions as it lacks the sinew backing. The bow we had didn't have either the Association-approved carbon bow number sticker or the hornbow sticker. This may only be a case of the bowyer not bothering to put one on. Usually the bowyers put these stickers on at time of sale.
Now this reply is far too long so I'll end it. However, I liked this bow after having handled and shot one and I hope anyone with one has an enjoyable, good time using it.
Best and many hits.
Can you share with me the name of your Korean Bowyer?
This review make me wish there is a archery club/range near and open on sunday.
It's been invented 3rd century A.D. in Korea.
와 유튜브에 이런 것도 있네. 대단함! 활 매니아들이 좋아할듯.
A question for Chris about this bow. How is it holding up over this time? Any issues with the horn?
Thinking of getting one but there are not many reviews, let alone long term reviews out there.
Thank you.
I saw a Korean horn bow for $1000 that looked a little more authentic than this one, it made a full C shape when unstrung. I'd love to see a review for that bow, it would be a bargain at that price if it's as good as it looks.
I bought that bow. It exploded the first time I strung it. Never even got to draw it. It comes with an explicit disclaimer, so I'm having issues with Freddie. The bowyer says it's my fault. Freddie says he will send me a KTB instead. I'm still waiting. I have had two other Freddie bows, they are great
@@rikcederstrom8525 sorry to hear that, have you researched how to string and exercise a horn bow?
You need to be very knowledgeable to use that bow. It's quite a hassle to string it properly, unless you learned it from a korean master archer and have a proper tools to do it. For me, it's not worth it. Just get a modernized Korean bow.
Really Want the Bow and Arrow
It is a thing of Great Beauty.
I want one!
EDIT: I've spoken of this before.
Please use a thumbring.
My empathy is too sensitive to enjoy your suffering.
I’m a S-Korean old man’
So l was born 1953 in Korea war
Yeah l know about like that’s very strong and high quality Ana very expensive like that”--!!!
💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻👍👍👍 oh yes”
활은 개량형 복합궁인 것 처럼 보여지네요. 전통적인 복합궁보다 장력이 적은 것으로 보여집니다.
다만 처음에 활을 당기시는 분을 보니 동양궁으르많이 접하신 분인것 같습니다. 동양궁과 서양궁은 손파지가 다른데 엄지로 당기시는 것을 벌 수 있습니다. 서양의 대표적인 장궁은 검지 중지 파지를 하지만 동양에서는 엄지로 파지하고 살을 날립니다.
Kann man den mit den biokompositbögen von Gròzer vergleichen? Oder würdest du einen gegenüber dem anderen vorziehen?
Ich würde immer einen biocomposite von Grozer nehmen
oh it's realthing!!! inside black horn It's called "GAK GUNG"
I have a white feather fairy bow , I just love it , but am wanting to get this " Korean " style of bow in a less factory made look , so this looks to fit my wants , are there any others I should check out , I can't afford a "real horn bow " but still looking like it was more hand made , or am I asking too much ?
@Alex Hakala 30" at 40# and above, would prefer a 32" at least
thank you
Hey Armin, have they increased the price for this bow? Or perhaps I am looking at the wrong one on their site?
I think that is Taeguk hornbow which has a horn back but modern material belly. Depending on where you are, you get a much better deal on a same product by asking a Korean friend to place a direct order to a bowyer.
always easier when you know someone in that country, but most of us do not :) thanks for watching
Armin Hirmer aren't you in atarn or kta on fb? I'm sure some of them are in korea and willing to help you. If I lived in Korea, I'd help you myself. Once you know how much more expensive freddie archery sells the same product, you may have a whole new stance.
I am not overly interested in Korean bows and Chris the owner of this bow bought this one from Freddie and I understand, when you make a living, you need to charge some money for your service. of course one can get always everything somewhere cheaper and better. Up to everyone. We get now a bow for free from Freddie, so I don't mind :)
not a very kind person as it seems Ivar. I never said it is a real horn bow with sinew and all that shit. Even the owner told you what it is all about. So I don't get your problem now. Freddie did not pay me anything - you got my personal opinion of this bow and it is FULLY up to you to like that or not. But dude, never question me
the owner describes the bow in the beginning and when some people think they get a totally natural made hornbow for 500 bucks....
So I haven't finished watching the video yet, but something that stood out to me: if this is a horn bow, doesn't the horn need to be made pliable by application of heat before stringing it? It seems that it was able to be strung without such a step. I had seen in a documentary that it was done with a hot plate in some instances.
it is horn mixed with modern materials, so it is not needed
Vellikos No you don’ t have to heat the bow before stringing it, they don’t glue an entire slab of horn onto the belly, only thin, even slices, it can flex similar to a thin piece of fibreglass; you only heat it when making the bow, to bend it to a preferred shape and after it cooled it would stay in that shape.
From what I understand, heating is applied if there is inconsistensy in bending of the bow. If one limb bends less than others, then heat is applied to make it more pliable.
for fully natural material made bows, yes. Here is a mix of natural and modern materials
Ah, I understand now! Thank you all for the replies!
It is very good bow
Beatyful bow... How much does it cost?
Good bow
Is the top limb looks weaker than the bottom limb? Seems to be curve more when draw the bow.
Arrow comic on the table nice lol
Unparalleled Bow.
A question about brace height if I may? After shooting my Kheshig for a bit over an hour I noticed the brace height got a bit off balance. Is this normal on a laminated bow? Do I just correct it like you do with the horn bow here?
you can try, never had that with a laminated bow
@@ArminHirmer If I "wiggle" it a bit carefully in the opposite direction it goes back. But after shooting it more it goes off balance again. It's not much, but it's enough to be noticable. I'm nocking the arrow in the right place, but still... I will look into it more. Thank you for the answer.
@@ArminHirmer After just a few shots now the the upper tiller is 1 cm longer than the lower. The lower one IS under more stress, right? But seeing as how you have never had this happen on a laminated bow to you, could it be a manufacturing error? I mean, the bow is still amazing, shoots perfectly, but I'm a bit worried if this happens after only one month of shooting. Should I contact Alibow about it? Sorry if I'm a bit tedious, but I really love this bow 😄
It's modern laminated bow. they come from 3 different types, 1. carbon fiber bow belly. 2. bamboo bow belly. 3. horn strip bow belly. Its bow cores are made from bamboo and wood(handle), Bow backs are made from carbon fiber. the different is the materials used in belly. (In my opinion, the type with bamboo belly preforms best, horn is too heavy) It doesn't have any sinew or animal glue on it. If you don't mind you are welcome to have a test of my real horn bows, they are authentic real horn bows. fine my works and products in the FaceBook page "horn bows" or "taiwanhornbow". Thank you.
that explains it... I thought it was an authentic hornbow.
small-siyah bow Korean bow. How does it measure against big-siyah Manchu bow?
시위 앉아서 거세요 더 쉽고 통(aim) 뒤틀리는것 예방효과도 있습니다. 개량궁은 그런쪽 배려가 되서 편한데 진짜 전통방식으로 만든거면 속이 쓰려요 비싸서
How length is that?
How much speed about?
I love korea horn bow , love to use horn thumb ring ... so I will get one.
By the way , dose it has to be heat treat????
this one not, as it is a mix of old and new materials, but some original made ones have to be heated
Thank you. ^^
On Amazon there is a company called longbow maker that makes horses bows do you have an opinion of this company
never tried one of their bows, but I guess the price is okay and the quality too. but as said, never had one in my hand
What is the draw length and stringing length of this?
I really want to start collecting Korean bows.. 😫 too bad I'm broke.
There is a way to grip and shoot Korean bow I think he should learn from Korean archer. Bow is made uneven for a reason
Find a U shaped korean horn bow and do an armour piercing test. That would something to see
Actually its a Practice(Normal) version.
Warbow(twice bigger than normal) is more bigger and stronger
Of course. Korean warbows had even a different design
I don't think that's true Bak. Koreans used all types of bows and they could definitely make war bows as big as the ones in picture with incredible draw weight.
wish i could afford a bow like this
me too :)
the korean bow version of this bow is also amazing and cheaper(but horn is replaced by carbon)
pretty sure its the same company
An old saying, "China : spear , Japan : sword , Korea : bow ."
china crossbow
I'm telling you the truth.
…is this from Age of Empires? 😅
@@HistoricalWeapons not quite as even Tang emperor wanted Korean cross bow
Kochigachi read about Han crossbow
Lovely bow. Does it contain fiberglass?
It has, horn ,sinew, glass fibre, wood, carbon, epoxy glue and birch bark. According to the specs from Freddy archery.
Thank you. So it basically has every material except sinew. Interesting.
Just Me , according to the specs it does have sinew. So this bow is a combination of traditional materials and modern materials. But, all that apart. The bow is superb.
This hybrid bow made from horn and fiberglass? Or horn and sinew?
Hybrid. Horn stripe like a layer of glass, wood and fibreglass
@@ArminHirmer thank you sir.. when you upload video real hornbow + sinew?
How do you buy these in the US?
I don't know if there is a reseller in the US, but you still can order directly from Freddy
Ok
the price is higher now...
4:10 탄력보고 따봉날리는 줄 ㅋㅋㅋ
Really interesting contents!!!
But hat is not real traditional Korean horn bow.
That is laminated horn bow used in this video.
Please make a review about real traditional horn bow after.
Maybe very difficult to handle it.
we mentioned that in the video a few times. if somebody will give me one, I will do a review. I really don't have the money to buy one :D
Armin Hirmer Actually Im amateur horn bow maker in Korea. I'll give you a support if I can!!!
Nice good job
Green Archer hi
Helo Miko how are you?
For no misunderstood. Production method of Old Korean bow had lost a great amount of time ago. Their work is nice but what they made is refined modern bow not a something traditional.
No thumb ring?
How much price of the bow?
traditional horn bow is over $6000
The difference between Korean horn bow and the other bow is that Korean bow can be used all day long, others just a half day.
Really? Did you get the order of hornbow - other bow (carbon?) - all-day-long - half-day out of place? Carbon bows don't need to be tuned,are left strung all-day long with no need to re-tune them. However, strung, Korean hornbows tend to lose their shape if left for any length of time. 보궁 (boh goong(s)) (loops of leather about ten cm long) is/are always placed on the limb(s)/string immediately after tuning and/or finishing a 순 (soon) (a round of five arrows). If the bows are not going to be shot for any length of time, say an hour or more, the 궁 대 (goong dae) (the bow cover/sash/belt-quiver) is wrapped around the upper and lower limbs to help the bow keep its shape. When removed, the bow's shape will be checked and re-tuned, if necessary. That was the case for me last Saturday. I strung and tuned my hornbow at my 종 (jeong/club), shot a couple of practice 순, then wrapped my bow for the drive to another 종 for a competition. After a two-hour drive, I unwrapped my bow and found the lower limb had lost some of its bowing. I had to re-tune the bow.
@@notapplicable531 he was probably referring to traditional authentic gakgung. It's very hard to get it.
세계 모든 전통활을 연구하시는분인듯.ㅎ~
국궁은 시위를 당길때 손가락이 아프니..깍지를 끼셔야 할텐데요.ㅎ~
16:00 best :> :D
Korean bows shouldn't hang strings like that. The bow is so small that I walk in reverse. I'll show you how to hang strings on my channel later. Always watching well
Very nice
I don’t understand why the luxurious material is necessary when the performance is not really getting better
like with expensive cars, sometimes they are not faster but maybe the feel is different
Hi Armin, its not a hornbow :) maybe some horn decoration layer was extra glued, but its looks like carbon belly :(
You look like the 007 guy
Mónus Archery Mónus József Kína 2012,Ergun 653m Flight Shooting- Nazca- Mhit
애기살도 한번 쏴보셔요~~^^ 신세계를 경험하실듯 합니다~~
편전은 외국 활마니아 사이에선 낮선것이 아닙니다. 거의 같은 무기가 비잔틴 터키 아랍 중국에 우리보다 먼저 등장했습니다.
nice
how much, and where to buy
link is in description
활에 대해 잘은 몰라서 궁금증이 생겨요.. 활시위를 걸기전 모습이 전통방식으로 제작된 활과 모습이 왜 다르나요?? 궁시장들이 만든 활을 보면 형태가 거의 원형에 가까이 말려 있던데..
쉽게 사용할 수 있게 만든 개량형인거 같애요. 활시위를 당기는 모습도 장력이 그리 크지 않은 것 같애요
개량궁
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What is the name of this bow?
“Gak-gung”
This takes one year to make each bow. $500 is not a bad price.
Actually a real traditional horn bow looks like a circle when it is unstringed FYI
We are fully aware of that :)
첫 번째 쏜 분은 시위를 놓을 때 안 좋은 버릇이 있네요. 최대한 당긴 지점에서 오른 손은 그 당긴 곳에서 그대로 손가락만 벌려서 놓아야 되는데 저 분은 5센치 이상 손을 앞으로 밀면서 놓네요. 저렇게 되면 파괴력 무지 떨어짐
활이 개량형이라 그 파괴력이 현저히 떨어짐. 제대로 된 각궁은 시위를 걸기 전에는 완전 C 자 형으로 휘어짐. 제대로 된 각궁으로 쏘면 깜놀랄 듯
Barby Bow !
Why do you think so?
Is this a horn bow or a horn/synthetic hybrid ?
I ask because we keep hearing of "bio composites" etc and frankly its misleading.
Can we call a bow a hornbow, just because it has horn, when the main power ( tensile) comes from some carbon/glass/polymer composite ?
A little unclear.
Like a laminated bow, just the belly is a thin strip of horn instead of glass
@@ArminHirmer I accept innovation absolutely, but the problem here is that its fairly well acknowledged that a hornbow is a natural, tri-laminate made of at least 3 layers- one in tension, one in compression and one neutral plane- natural materials held together by a collagen glue and animal or plant binding.
This basis has been the formula for many composite bows of various ethnicities. Its rather an important item really because it helps the understanding of what makes a bow.
For this reason, its all the more vital that lay minds and beginner enthusiasts do not confuse the issues involved.
Dont get me wrong, you are doing a great job introducing archery devoid of the technical trappings of today, but a bit of attention to technical detail will improve matters in some quarters.
Apropos: Just an offhand observation:
I watched you draw this bow with a white background: It seemed as if the syah or parts of the outer limbs, at full draw flexed a little, so perhaps added some "stack".
Dont know if this is true.
Yepp sure thing, on the other side no beginner in archery will start most probably with a composite bow and until he is there he will own how to differentiate :) I don’t know anymore about this now, not mode did not shot it since then
애깃살 쏴보면 더 색다르다는걸 느낄 수 있지~
If you are interesting the classical bow, learn one of other korean's Baby BOW!! our korean 's people said it, EA-GIT-SAL