@@crowman7191 Yes so the world that reads the Quran is the one that's authentic, your argument proves the authenticity of the Quran instead of caliph making his own, Like he doesn't have some magic button to make all of his companions forget the Quran, the oral tradition, learned as perfect as 2+2 and slide his own version of the Quran in theyre pockets Do your research before embaressing your self
Logic ? Mohammed flew on a winged unicorn to heaven for a few days to play with the angels then flew back down. He also split the moon in two and you’re talking about logic ?
It does make sense but y’all are foolish ignorant people and thank God i left Islam. Get into History and claims and Old Testament writings u will see the prophecy in ur eyes of Christ’s whole purpose and also a Trinity found in Genesis. Even Abrahamic religions all come from sumerian texts and mythology of Annunaki (something like that name) which inspires DIVINITY yet ur Quran never claimed anything about them yet they are the ones who involved the story of Abraham in another name also talked about Adamu
Hindus have always been monotheists, because there is only one omnipotent creator in Hinduism who is called Ishwar, without a shape or form, eternal, most just and most compassionate and most wise. All the worshipped beings that have shape and form are called Devatas and they are created by Ishwar. Ishwar encouraged them to be worshipped. The difference is unlike the Islamic depiction of God who is jealous, cruel and filled with egoistic huvris (no offense, same can be said of many Hindu devatas, and I love Allah anyways), Ishwar who is ACTUALLY, THE GOD... Doesn't care who you worship or don't worship, encourages you to worship whoever you want, because he says since everything in existence is dependent on him, worship out of true love and admiration always goes to Ishwar. Ishwar decides your afterlife based purely on how just and righteous you have been to other sentient beings all your life, not based on your worship. Ishwar is free from and beyond egoistic huvris, jealousy and cruelty of any kind. If Ishwar cared who you worship or don't worship, Ishwar would never be the most just and most merciful. So in other words, Devatas are worshipped, anything can be worshipped, but that doesn't mean we believe in an infinite amount of Gods. Because in Abrahamic sense, God means the creator, you can't separate the two.
@user-pd7vq7wt9q The Holy Quran revealed to the Prophet Muhammad in the form of revelations in stages through the angel Gabriel, then the Prophet Muhammad conveyed it to his companions, then the companions wrote and collected all the revelations conveyed by the Prophet Muhammad Well that's just a simple summary, you can find more on TH-cam, if you are really looking for the truth
Pagan god's exist too many to often the world is plagued with fallen wicked counterfeit's and false god's ☪️ ritical to determine demise fate death and hell the only ✝️ruth will set you free
@@OnlybyGrace-e57 Those are parts, not wholes. The shell is not an egg. The albumen is not an egg. The yolk is not an egg. All of them put together makes an egg.
“I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” (John 20:17). “...you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” (John 8:40). “...I live because of the Father...” (John 6:57). “By myself I can do nothing...” (John 5:30) The disgrace is when Jesus find that his message has been corrupted and his Followers now worship him as god when he was one of his truest and purest believer
Jesus knew that they were corrupt and hence he said, “I have many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now for he when the spirit of truth shall come he shall guide you into all truths.” Don’t worry, he knew.
@@kaden7374There is a difference between John's own words and the words of Jesus that John documented. John 1 means nothing's bc who cares what John has to say on the issue when Jesus himself makes it clear in John 17:3 who the only true God is.
@@WeAreGhuraba that’s called cherry picking to fit your worldview. However, Christ also says He is the Som of God who will come on the clouds at the right hand of power, He says Abraham saw Him and that He spoke to Moses, He claims to be the great I AM, and says He had glory with the Father before the beginning of the world. Doesn’t that sound like a claim at divinity to you?
@@kaden7374 No it doesn't, unitarians read the same verses and don't conclude the same doctrine, you know why? Many of the times it's bc you guys have no clue about the greek. If anything, you're trying your very best to show a contradiction.
@@LeviBarnorbut Christians believe God has three persons but they are one, so 3 equals to 1, the teacher teaching 3 subjects is not the same as the 3 persons. Remember Christians say Jesus is father and spirit in one, but then in the bible you find countless verses of Jesus seeking the father, so that alone refutes the trinity
@@tnfcapture7010 Jesus is the Father? Father is the holy spirit? Holy spirit is the Father? Holy spirit is Jesus? New update or what. A teacher who teach art and math, do they talk to each other?
Bible is corrupt. Church is corrupt. How can anyone with the right mind believes or follows what bible or breasts have to say with all that corruption.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? 26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose. 28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing. 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. 35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; 36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! 37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. 38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? 39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour. 40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. 42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone. 43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me. 44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. 45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. 46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. 47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! 48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
How can trinity make sense when Jesus was a Unitarian?! He said "You(Father) The Only True God" John 17:3 There is no concept of Trinity in the bible, nowhere, it was developed 300 years after Jesus in the council of naecea.
Not true. In the Bible, Jesus said I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last. In the Bible it says, the Word was God. In the Bible it says, we have one Lord Jesus Christ. And many more places where the divinity of Christ is shown.
@@Tex_155 Melchesedik was also said to have no beginning nor end. Moses was called elohim, David was called the begotten son, Jesus was only called theos a generic term for God. Notice how you couldn't refute the clear words of Jesus so reached for ambiguous verses that unitarians themselves read but don't come to your conclusions? Either you are admitting contradictions or you simply don't understand what the gospel accounts are saying bc you have no clue about the greek language.
God is not limited by space and time. God can be in the past in the present and in the future in whatever form he wants (person) at the same time and in a different place. this is how the holy trinity is explained so simply.
@@mmeessssiiaass that's new, although not my question. God exists beyond time, that's not the topic of contention here. God existing in any time does not even attempt to answer how there 3 beings in 1. If the Father is separate from the son and the holy spirit, but you still want them to be one, you are saying they 3 different Gods in 1. In the beginning I said, this is new, because every time a Christian tries to explain the trinity they all give a different answer. Ask any Muslim what Tawhid is, the oneness of God, you'll get a simple clear concise answer.
@@selfportrait8363 lying to one self is the worst. Kissing the kaba forgives your sins - so only God can forgive sin so God 1. ISA created life so GOd 2. Amd last Allah.
@@ericnjuguna8546 not only kissing the kaaba, but smiling at a stranger can forgive sins, being kind forgive sins, helping someone forgive sins, removing a stone from a path forgive sins etc etc. The point I'm trying to make is, anything you do with the intention of pleasing God, forgives sins. I have no idea what you said at the end there isa created life? So God 2? Please explain again
True, but can the same H2O, at the same time be in all three states? The analogy would work if there was a timeline, father then son and then spirit, but it claims they were coequal and contemporary "forms" 😅
@@Terminator95ableI mean you have each body part having a role and all of it makes up your body. It’s not useful arguing over faith based practices anyways. If you tell me your religion is the truth I know you are lying because you only say that based on faith.
@@thedailycheckpointI agree arguing just hardens the heart, but we can always come to terms with another, as Muslims we are to use our intellect to find truth. So we use logic and faith to determine the authenticity of out faith. The Qur'an always instructs us to open our minds and hearts.
I present to you the creed of St. Athanasius. Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith. Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally. Now this is the catholic faith: That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another, and that of the Holy Spirit still another. But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal. What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated. The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable. The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, the Holy Spirit is eternal. And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being. So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings; there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being. Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings; there is but one almighty being. Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Yet there are not three gods; there is but one God. Thus the Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, the Holy Spirit is Lord. Yet there are not three lords; there is but one Lord. Just as Christian truth compels us to confess each person individually as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords. The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son. Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons; there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits. Nothing in this trinity is before or after, nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other. So in everything, as was said earlier, we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity. Anyone then who desires to be saved should think thus about the trinity. But it is necessary for eternal salvation that one also believe in the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully. Now this is the true faith: That we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son, is both God and human, equally. He is God from the essence of the Father, begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity. Although he is God and human, yet Christ is not two, but one. He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself. He is one, certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person. For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human. He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire. This is the catholic faith: one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.
Cheap Catholic rhetoric. Catholics killed 68 million Bible believing Christians in dark ages. And countless Jews. Catholics are not Biblical. It’s the richest organization in the world. Christianity is not an organization. It is a relationship with Jesus, and the in dwelling of Gods Holy Spirit which makes us Christlike in nature, not with monks attire. And we believe only the Bible, not the Nicea council stuff
(Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted (James 1:13) God cannot be tempted (John 1:29) Jesus was seen (1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God (Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God (Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9) God is not a man (Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (lsaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus Died (1 Timothy 1:17) God cannot die (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation (Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation (John 4:6) Jesus grew weary (Isaiah 40:28) God cannot grow weary (Mark 4:38) Jesus slept (Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep (John 5:19) Jesus wasn't all powerful (Isaiah 45: 5-7) God is all powerful (Mark 13:32) Jesus wasn't all knowing (lsaiah 46:9) God is all knowina
The problem a slow being you can add more persons into the trinity and still can claim they are one. While they have many attribute that makes them different
@@HeadshotTBH nope, He literally didn't, I watched the entire video and all he said was "ok" and seconds later refuted his claim That's what thomist DIDNT show
Christianity logic does not make sense. For example 1) The Father = God and God = The Son ,but The Father ≠ The Son. 2) If Christianity truly belives in the concept of Trinity, then it cannot be a monotheist religion hence failing the criteria for being the true religion.
The Father is God .The Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God. My Muslim brother you have just acknowledged that Jesus is indeed God. Because Jesus said before He went to heaven . I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh In the Book of Acts in chapter 2 is written about the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. He gave His spirit to us. Before the outpouring , all nations where gathered in Jerusalem according to the Bible so that they could give an eyewitness account . They saw the spirit with their naked eyes. Jesus is God in the Flesh. He came as a man into the world so that He could identified with men .I know that is hard to understand because the natural man can not understand the things of the Spirit. The carnal mind will always try to find a way to reason. Christianity is about faith. Faith is the evidence of things hope for. There is only one God . Lastly if you acknowledge that the Holy Spirit is God than Jesus is God because it is His Spirit.
@@petruslouw2140 william lane craig says to the contradictions in the bible "as if the author of the bible didnt care" origen of alexandria, ONE OF THE BIGGEST SCHOLARS AND CURCH FATHERS, says in 'first principles' regarding the bible: WHAT MAN OF EDUCATION WILL BELIEVE IN THIS THING" THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN JESUS AND THE DECIPLES, NO CHAIN OF NARRATION jesus never claimed to be god, but all christians can do is repeating your doctrins. well done, great argument
@@petruslouw2140 dude just because the bible, which is riddle with changes, has a few verses that can be INTERPRETED as saying Jesus is God, the fact is incredibly simple- there is no verse in the entire book that says it explicitly. All 3 books, Torah Bible and Quran, state laws of doctrine clearly- worship God, you may never murder, etc, so if it really is such a clear and required part of God's way, why did he never say it directly and instead left us vague hints, while also claiming it is merciful to burn people eternally for not picking up these hints? it is utterly senseless.
@@polunity3903 Isaiah 55:8: "My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are my ways your ways." Confusion doesn't mean you don't understand every facet of something. There are aspects of God that are beyond our comprehension. And take a hard look at your own book if you think otherwise.
The trinity doesn't make sense at all. Even some of the smartest christians in the past rejected the trinitarian belief due to it not macking sense at all. And it's not just humans who can't understand it, even A.I will admit that the trinity is illogical.
@@NibCowler What part of the trinity doesn't make sense to you? Smart people are also Muslims and atheists, and some of them have to be wrong about these conflicting beliefs. As for A.I., and I swear this is true; the other day it got a basic math problem wrong when I was using it. You can lead A.I. to some odd conclusions, and it'll be inclined to agree with you too.
@@magicman9552 I know they're smart Christians too but when confronted with the trinity they just say the human mind can't understand it. My problem with the trinity is how can 3 distinct beings be 1?
Which one makes more sense is irrelevant, because God's omnipotence has no obligation to make sense to us mortals, who are limited in their knowledge, intellect and reasoning abilities at any given time. So I am not a big fan of the idea that a theology is correct only by virtue of making sense to us, because the most important variable here is God's omnipotence.
If god wants us to worship him he would enlighten us on who he is clearly, nowhere in the bible does it explicitly explain the trinity, so who are you worshipping really? Btw the co-equal co-eternal doctrine of the trinity was a conclusion made by nicea in 325 A.D so what did they mean?? The conclusion doesn’t make sense yet you say its fine because that’s god, you guys attributed this doctrine to god so shouldn’t you understand it?
A hindu polytheist can use your exact same argument in his favour. Just say that god is complicated and does not make sense to humans. Your argument is baseless.
Last time you were outragous for her twitter post about the prophet alehi salatu salam and now you are happy friends makes even less sense than trinity😂
Thats the best thing you can offer after many years while muslim proven that the bible contradicts itself the logic behind the trinity doesnt make sense and the original sin and the blood sacrifice thing isnt really convincing like your punished for something you didnt do and your rewarded for something you also didnt do
Everyone in the comment section calm down, I have three words for this clown, Can you explain why it's wrong without using liberatic traditions of the west and the present day of the era of hazrat Muhammad? Because Isaac married a 3 year old And Moses literally talks about slaying the men and women and told his soldiers to take "young children's that haven't laid with a man for yourselves"
Everyone in the comment section calm down, I have three words for this clown, Can you explain why it's wrong without using liberatic traditions of the west and the present day of the era of hazrat Muhammad?
I had a Christian once explain this to me as follows: it's like an apple. It has the outer red part, the inside, and the seed. And I said, that's true, but sometimes you have a worm inside the apple too, and all apples come from a much bigger thing called a tree with leaves and branches. He then proceeded to explain it differently: it's like water, it can be a liquid, gas, or solid. You see, 3 in 1? I said, "And sometimes the water is contaminated and has bacteria and other elements in it." I went on to ask him this: since when did we start comparing the Creator of the universe to water?! Needles to say, he didn't like me anymore. I wasn't "playing" along with BS reasonings of his. We never spoke again and I've been sleeping like a baby.
Bruce lee said be water my friend. Maybe theres different vessels for the same water. When youre rich you dont become the boat by stepping in, nor the car, nor the plane. Youre just the driver
Assalamualaikum. I have a question. What is 'ahad' mean in english ? For what i know there is difference meaning between 'wahidun' and 'ahad' Wahidun = one Ahad = ? Is there a word in English that can explain the meaning of 'ahad' ?
Theologian Walter Farrell in his book 'Companion To The Summa vol. 1 chapter 7' writes: The Trinity is a mystery; no doubt about it. 'Unless we had been told of its existence, we would never have suspected such a thing'. Moreover, now that we know that there is a Trinity, we cannot understand it. The man who attempts to unravel the mystery is in the position of a near-sighted man straining his eyes from the Eastern Shore of Maryland for a glimpse of Spain. We cannot probe the depths of the ocean of divinity with the foot-rule of the human intellect.
You need extraordinary patience when you know your talking to someone who isn't illogical but they choose to switch of their brain just to stick to what they want to believe
It can never make sense to canal minded people It takes a deep spiritual revelation of the Scripture and divinity of God Himself to understand the Trinity. I hope God opens their inner eyes to see the Ultimate truth.
@@Vivid8331 Every rational and logical minded person will say the trinity is illogical. It's impossible to prove the trinity makes sense without ruining into fallacies.
The trinity is like thinking of water, which can be found in three forms: liquid, solid (ice), and gas (vapor), but it's still water. Similarly, Christians believe that God is one essence, yet exists as three distinct persons. Each person of the Trinity is fully God, but they are not three separate gods; they are one God. It's a core belief in Christianity, emphasising the unity and diversity within the nature of God.
@@ltz8030 Islam isn't a belief, it's knowledge of god, Allah SWT isn't illogical nor is it out of logic infact, in the Quran he has given us 99 names, and wanna know something insane? Your hands! The Quran was revealed in Arabic, and when you read the Arabic number, you realize 81 is written on your left hand and 18 is written on your right hand in Arabic, if you add them together what do we get?? 99!! That's one of the smallest miracles Islam has
@@ltz8030he has given us 99 names to understand him, while I Christianity god is only called god, he hasn't given any names, infact, christianity isnt even WRITTEN in the holy scripture
@@Bumer_0_ All you did its just quote me something from your book. I asked for a proof. Let me make it simple to you, you can’t never prove it that why you believe.
@srs2283 1) I do not know as well . But i believe that was God. The evidence that made me end up believing that is for simplicity: there is no creation without a creator. 2) Before, there was nothing. This is my belief . I can not prove you with science, something that is beyond science. Scientists accept the existence of electron with out being able to prove its existence.
@srs2283 That's not a third grade argument, it screams you don't have logic. When have you ever come across information that wasn't created by something intelligent like a phonebook for example?
If you look at it from a sense of duality then yes they are all different. But in the eyes of those who are spiritually aware. There’s only one God who is all 3 at the same time. He is all 3 and 1 at the same time. This perspective of duality which perceives that God is seperate from the creation cannot comprehend such a concept
God is unlike anything in creation, so the best God that best fits that description is the triune God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We see unipersonality everywhere, so I would argue that he is the one putting constraints on God. Of course if we assume that God is just like us, then it will be difficult to accept.
It is easier to understand the trinity when you understand the “why?”. According to the Christian Bible, why did Jesus have to live life as a human being if he is God.? What about the prophecy by the prophet Isaiah that “The Lord himself shall give you a sign: Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call his name Immanuel (which means “God with us”)? Here it is saying that God is giving you a sign through the virgin birth, yet the one who is born will be called God as well. But the distinction is that he is with us
It makes more sense my friend, respectfully saying so as an Orthodox Christian this is my belief. It makes more sense because God is not an “ordinary” being like us, so He does not have to comply with the laws of the created world, nor should we expect that from Him
That's pure cope. Jesus never taught it and it breaks the number one rule, Your Lord is One! God had the time to say that but apparently it was hard for Him to explain the Trinity to you guys.
It doesn’t matter what makes more sense it’s about what is the truth, and there are also problems with Islam and Tawhid, but it would make sense for god, a being outside of the universe to eternally exist like nothing inside of the universe
Christian’s need to explain that if Jesus is eternal, meaning that he has no beginning and no end. Then where did the “Father” get the “Son” from before the creation of the universe? Note: The host Virgin Mary did not exist before the creation of the universe. She was born 13.7 billion years after the Big Bang. Some 2,000 years ago. And if the “son” came as the “flesh.”. Then WHERE did the “Sons” spirit come from before the creation of the universe? Where did the Father get the “ sons” spirit from without the host before the creation of the universe?
1×1×1 is still one easy way to understand it we aren't adding its one God but he can exist however he feels fit even if he is 3 in 1 thats the power of the God we serve
The Bible presents God as one Being, who exists in three distinguishable Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All three Persons in the one Godhead are coeternal, coexistent, and coequal. In other words, there are three "eternal distinctions" in the one divine essence.
It makes sense if you take Christian God as family constructed of Father Mother(holy spirit) and Child( Jesus) then the Family is God which would also reflect on Us being created in their image respectively
I always find it fascinating how Christians need to do a mental gymnastics to understand their own book eventhough according to their own Bible, there is only one God, God cannot be a human being and the concept of trinity is not in Bible unless you do a triple jump and 360 flip and misquote a quote or two (out of context) only then you can find the trinity.
Jesus said , I'm not good only the father is good. Pray to the one God only just as the old testament ie Father or Yahweh. God is not human nor will be every be. Numbers 23:19 19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
She knows very well it doesn’t make sense to her but she’ll continue to argue.
May God bless Hijab for his patience!
you know what else doesn’t make sense the 3rd caliph of uttham destroying all other versions of the Quran
*doesn’t make sense to you*
Each person in the trinity is an expression of God
1 being 3 persons
@@crowman7191 Yes so the world that reads the Quran is the one that's authentic, your argument proves the authenticity of the Quran instead of caliph making his own,
Like he doesn't have some magic button to make all of his companions forget the Quran, the oral tradition, learned as perfect as 2+2 and slide his own version of the Quran in theyre pockets
Do your research before embaressing your self
@@crowman7191your only evidence of proof aghainst Islam is twisting the words of Islamic texts, the coping is wild 😭
@@CJ-fq2cf oh so it's an EXPRESSION now, wild 😭
All three of them are believed to be equal yet according to the bible they're not
- Does that make sense?
- “kinda” 🤣
She’s internally convinced it doesn’t make sense, but christians prefer their ego over logic.
Everyone prefer ego on logic
@@3b7pa Not when it comes to He|| and heaven destiny.
nope@@3b7pa
Hey be nice. For Christians I know it's about culture and indoctrination, not ego. Though I'm sure for a lot of them it's ego
Logic ? Mohammed flew on a winged unicorn to heaven for a few days to play with the angels then flew back down. He also split the moon in two and you’re talking about logic ?
Thank you for making this video, I was Muslim before watching; now im still Muslim.
What? Isn't the point, to disprove Christianity?
@@ViperKing86 people just want to say anything
@@ahmadaldajani2059 Yeah 😆
Did you know Mohammed police be upon him, married six years old Aisha and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old?
Mohammed married six years old Aisha
I love the atmosphere of this conversation. it's still relaxed and at ease to watch and to hear even though the topic is hot and hard to talk about.
This is the power of BRAINWASHING. Repeat enough untill it is accepted.
Look how she presses her eyes while saying it’s like 3x1.. It says she’s not even convinced of that trinity BS.
It’s all nonsense. Non of the religions are true.
Don’t say that Trinity BS, have some respect
Don’t stoop to the hindooo and Christians level of disrespecting other religions. They are known to do that, not Muslims.
@@Artemi03 I'll agree that part shouldn't have been included, but it's still illogical.
It does make sense but y’all are foolish ignorant people and thank God i left Islam. Get into History and claims and Old Testament writings u will see the prophecy in ur eyes of Christ’s whole purpose and also a Trinity found in Genesis. Even Abrahamic religions all come from sumerian texts and mythology of Annunaki (something like that name) which inspires DIVINITY yet ur Quran never claimed anything about them yet they are the ones who involved the story of Abraham in another name also talked about Adamu
hindu can also claim they are monotheist if trinity can be accepted as monotheist
Trinity is Trimurti
@@Observer01-qn8egyou mean like Hinduism 3 face
Hindus have always been monotheists, because there is only one omnipotent creator in Hinduism who is called Ishwar, without a shape or form, eternal, most just and most compassionate and most wise.
All the worshipped beings that have shape and form are called Devatas and they are created by Ishwar. Ishwar encouraged them to be worshipped.
The difference is unlike the Islamic depiction of God who is jealous, cruel and filled with egoistic huvris (no offense, same can be said of many Hindu devatas, and I love Allah anyways), Ishwar who is ACTUALLY, THE GOD...
Doesn't care who you worship or don't worship, encourages you to worship whoever you want, because he says since everything in existence is dependent on him, worship out of true love and admiration always goes to Ishwar.
Ishwar decides your afterlife based purely on how just and righteous you have been to other sentient beings all your life, not based on your worship.
Ishwar is free from and beyond egoistic huvris, jealousy and cruelty of any kind. If Ishwar cared who you worship or don't worship, Ishwar would never be the most just and most merciful.
So in other words, Devatas are worshipped, anything can be worshipped, but that doesn't mean we believe in an infinite amount of Gods.
Because in Abrahamic sense, God means the creator, you can't separate the two.
@@mayukhsen8195 Blah Blah Blah 🙃🙃🙃
@@SamPathan_69What a brilliant argument 😂.
3 in 1 instant coffee
Head & Shoulders 🧴 3x1
@@sherifelbatawy
( وَلَا تَسُبُّوا الَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ فَيَسُبُّوا اللَّهَ عَدْوًا بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ ).
ما تتمسخروا عليهم هذا مش من تعاليم ديننا
Ah yesss Coffee, cream and sugar..
@@ysfjzn8538 احنا ما بنتمسخر عليهم .. هم اللي بيتمسخروا على أنفسهم وعلى دينهم
@user-pd7vq7wt9q The Holy Quran revealed to the Prophet Muhammad in the form of revelations in stages through the angel Gabriel, then the Prophet Muhammad conveyed it to his companions, then the companions wrote and collected all the revelations conveyed by the Prophet Muhammad
Well that's just a simple summary, you can find more on TH-cam, if you are really looking for the truth
Alhamdulilah for Islam
“3 in 1 shampoos exist🤓☝️”
Comparing God to shampoos now, you went from listening to church fathers to hair products
Fallacy comment.
@@mademan4life body, soul, spirit. One person.
Shell, albumen, yolk equal one egg
Pagan god's exist too many to often the world is plagued with fallen wicked counterfeit's and false god's ☪️ ritical to determine demise fate death and hell
the only
✝️ruth will set you free
@@OnlybyGrace-e57 Those are parts, not wholes. The shell is not an egg. The albumen is not an egg. The yolk is not an egg. All of them put together makes an egg.
“I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” (John 20:17).
“...you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” (John 8:40).
“...I live because of the Father...” (John 6:57).
“By myself I can do nothing...” (John 5:30)
The disgrace is when Jesus find that his message has been corrupted and his Followers now worship him as god when he was one of his truest and purest believer
Jesus knew that they were corrupt and hence he said, “I have many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now for he when the spirit of truth shall come he shall guide you into all truths.” Don’t worry, he knew.
You cited John four times. Now go read John chapter 1.
@@kaden7374There is a difference between John's own words and the words of Jesus that John documented. John 1 means nothing's bc who cares what John has to say on the issue when Jesus himself makes it clear in John 17:3 who the only true God is.
@@WeAreGhuraba that’s called cherry picking to fit your worldview. However, Christ also says He is the Som of God who will come on the clouds at the right hand of power, He says Abraham saw Him and that He spoke to Moses, He claims to be the great I AM, and says He had glory with the Father before the beginning of the world. Doesn’t that sound like a claim at divinity to you?
@@kaden7374 No it doesn't, unitarians read the same verses and don't conclude the same doctrine, you know why? Many of the times it's bc you guys have no clue about the greek. If anything, you're trying your very best to show a contradiction.
How is it so unbelievable that a supreme being cant be in more than one place?
By knowledge yes, not by physicality
But in the case of trinity, it doesn't make any sense. If you do further reading of the trinity you will come to it came from pagan origins
Why can't 2 Christians can't come to consensus if it's just that easy?
You won't see the same when it comes to us
Math teacher, science teacher, art teacher
How many teachers...
Some people: One
If it’s one person teaching all 3 yes
@@LeviBarnorbut Christians believe God has three persons but they are one, so 3 equals to 1, the teacher teaching 3 subjects is not the same as the 3 persons. Remember Christians say Jesus is father and spirit in one, but then in the bible you find countless verses of Jesus seeking the father, so that alone refutes the trinity
A teacher teaches science, maths and art. How many teachers are there? All your arguments just counter themselves
@@tnfcapture7010 Jesus is the Father? Father is the holy spirit? Holy spirit is the Father? Holy spirit is Jesus?
New update or what.
A teacher who teach art and math, do they talk to each other?
Bible is corrupt. Church is corrupt. How can anyone with the right mind believes or follows what bible or breasts have to say with all that corruption.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.
40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.
45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.
47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
It’s arrogance but sometimes prejudice, fear of being judged and ego don’t let you speak the truth.
"Kind of ..."
How can trinity make sense when Jesus was a Unitarian?!
He said "You(Father) The Only True God" John 17:3
There is no concept of Trinity in the bible, nowhere, it was developed 300 years after Jesus in the council of naecea.
Preach brother! 🙌🏽
Not true. In the Bible, Jesus said I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last. In the Bible it says, the Word was God. In the Bible it says, we have one Lord Jesus Christ. And many more places where the divinity of Christ is shown.
John 10:30
I and my Father are one
@ThePaahchan read John 10:30 and there are several verses to him claiming He was God. That’s why the Pharisees wanted to kill him
@@Tex_155 Melchesedik was also said to have no beginning nor end. Moses was called elohim, David was called the begotten son, Jesus was only called theos a generic term for God. Notice how you couldn't refute the clear words of Jesus so reached for ambiguous verses that unitarians themselves read but don't come to your conclusions? Either you are admitting contradictions or you simply don't understand what the gospel accounts are saying bc you have no clue about the greek language.
Too much manipulation since childhood age ....then things don't make sense 😁
May Allah guide this sister Aameen ❤
very mature of her to come to a respectful debate ❤
You know how to prove trinity doesn't make sense? Let Christians try to prove it is true. They'll eventually confuse themselves.
God is not limited by space and time. God can be in the past in the present and in the future in whatever form he wants (person) at the same time and in a different place. this is how the holy trinity is explained so simply.
@@mmeessssiiaass that's new, although not my question. God exists beyond time, that's not the topic of contention here. God existing in any time does not even attempt to answer how there 3 beings in 1. If the Father is separate from the son and the holy spirit, but you still want them to be one, you are saying they 3 different Gods in 1.
In the beginning I said, this is new, because every time a Christian tries to explain the trinity they all give a different answer. Ask any Muslim what Tawhid is, the oneness of God, you'll get a simple clear concise answer.
Good point!
@@selfportrait8363 lying to one self is the worst.
Kissing the kaba forgives your sins - so only God can forgive sin so God 1. ISA created life so GOd 2. Amd last Allah.
@@ericnjuguna8546 not only kissing the kaaba, but smiling at a stranger can forgive sins, being kind forgive sins, helping someone forgive sins, removing a stone from a path forgive sins etc etc. The point I'm trying to make is, anything you do with the intention of pleasing God, forgives sins.
I have no idea what you said at the end there isa created life? So God 2? Please explain again
Water-Steam-Ice it’s all one thing H20 baby
True, but can the same H2O, at the same time be in all three states? The analogy would work if there was a timeline, father then son and then spirit, but it claims they were coequal and contemporary "forms" 😅
@@Terminator95ableI mean you have each body part having a role and all of it makes up your body. It’s not useful arguing over faith based practices anyways. If you tell me your religion is the truth I know you are lying because you only say that based on faith.
@@thedailycheckpointcan water, ice and steam exist at the same time in one state
@@thedailycheckpoint the point is, Jesus never claimed equal partnership with God, he seeks God, prayed to God, cried to God, Acts 2:22
@@thedailycheckpointI agree arguing just hardens the heart, but we can always come to terms with another, as Muslims we are to use our intellect to find truth. So we use logic and faith to determine the authenticity of out faith. The Qur'an always instructs us to open our minds and hearts.
I present to you the creed of St. Athanasius.
Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.
Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally.
Now this is the catholic faith:
That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.
What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has.
The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.
The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.
The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.
And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.
Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.
Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.
Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.
Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.
The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.
Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.
Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.
So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity.
Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.
But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.
Now this is the true faith:
That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.
He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.
Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God's taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
so too the one Christ is both God and human.
He suffered for our salvation;
he descended to hell;
he arose from the dead;
he ascended to heaven;
he is seated at the Father's right hand;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people will arise bodily
and give an accounting of their own deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.
This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.
I'm confused...
Absolutely agree. Bless you 🙏
Cheap Catholic rhetoric. Catholics killed 68 million Bible believing Christians in dark ages. And countless Jews. Catholics are not Biblical. It’s the richest organization in the world. Christianity is not an organization. It is a relationship with Jesus, and the in dwelling of Gods Holy Spirit which makes us Christlike in nature, not with monks attire. And we believe only the Bible, not the Nicea council stuff
@@Moira-v8e he's wrong
Unbiblical
(Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted
(James 1:13) God cannot be tempted
(John 1:29) Jesus was seen
(1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God
(Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent
by God
(Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9) God is not a
man
(Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and
learn (lsaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need
to learn
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus Died
(1 Timothy 1:17) God cannot die
(Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation
(Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation
(John 4:6) Jesus grew weary
(Isaiah 40:28) God cannot grow weary
(Mark 4:38) Jesus slept
(Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep
(John 5:19) Jesus wasn't all powerful
(Isaiah 45: 5-7) God is all powerful
(Mark 13:32) Jesus wasn't all knowing
(lsaiah 46:9) God is all knowina
The problem a slow being you can add more persons into the trinity and still can claim they are one. While they have many attribute that makes them different
How many times does Hijab need to be refuted 😂. Lets see him bring up that point to knowledgeable Christians at speakers corner
He did recently and got so confused and lost in the conversation @CriticalThomist if you wanna see it.
He hasn't gotten refuted ONCE
@@HeadshotTBH nope,
He literally didn't, I watched the entire video and all he said was "ok" and seconds later refuted his claim
That's what thomist DIDNT show
@@HeadshotTBH imagine getting your religion refuted so many times you have to cope by lying about someone who isn't even a Muslim scholar lmao
@@Bumer_x_x Bruv what are you talking about he got schooled. go watch it again.
May Allah guide her to islam. Very nice conversation with an intelligent lady.
He guided the prophet Mohammed who's a pedophile lol
Christianity logic does not make sense. For example
1) The Father = God and God = The Son ,but The Father ≠ The Son.
2) If Christianity truly belives in the concept of Trinity, then it cannot be a monotheist religion hence failing the criteria for being the true religion.
@@Hærryß you know what william.lane craig said about the contradictions.
"as if the author of the bible didn't care that there was a contradiction"
@@Hærryß brother youll get a seizure trying to explain the trinity pipe down
The Father is God .The Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God.
My Muslim brother you have just acknowledged that Jesus is indeed God.
Because Jesus said before He went to heaven .
I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh
In the Book of Acts in chapter 2 is written about the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
He gave His spirit to us. Before the outpouring , all nations where gathered in Jerusalem according to the Bible so that they could give an eyewitness account .
They saw the spirit with their naked eyes.
Jesus is God in the Flesh.
He came as a man into the world so that He could identified with men .I know that is hard to understand because the natural man can not understand the things of the Spirit. The carnal mind will always try to find a way to reason.
Christianity is about faith.
Faith is the evidence of things hope for.
There is only one God .
Lastly if you acknowledge that the Holy Spirit is God than Jesus is God because it is His Spirit.
@@petruslouw2140 william lane craig says to the contradictions in the bible "as if the author of the bible didnt care"
origen of alexandria, ONE OF THE BIGGEST SCHOLARS AND CURCH FATHERS, says in 'first principles' regarding the bible:
WHAT MAN OF EDUCATION WILL BELIEVE IN THIS THING"
THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN JESUS AND THE DECIPLES, NO CHAIN OF NARRATION
jesus never claimed to be god, but all christians can do is repeating your doctrins. well done, great argument
@@petruslouw2140 dude just because the bible, which is riddle with changes, has a few verses that can be INTERPRETED as saying Jesus is God, the fact is incredibly simple- there is no verse in the entire book that says it explicitly. All 3 books, Torah Bible and Quran, state laws of doctrine clearly- worship God, you may never murder, etc, so if it really is such a clear and required part of God's way, why did he never say it directly and instead left us vague hints, while also claiming it is merciful to burn people eternally for not picking up these hints? it is utterly senseless.
It absolutely makes sense when you know the three “R’s”.
One has to, got to sleep, and another has a nature to become spiritually deprived. Mortal and immortal please we cannot compare.
Mind, body, spirit on a man. Are there 3 different entities or 1 unity?
Oh I know! It's complete garbage and lies!
A person shouldn't confuse their inability to understand with something not making sense
Bible: “god is not the author of confusion”
@@polunity3903 Isaiah 55:8: "My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are my ways your ways." Confusion doesn't mean you don't understand every facet of something. There are aspects of God that are beyond our comprehension.
And take a hard look at your own book if you think otherwise.
The trinity doesn't make sense at all. Even some of the smartest christians in the past rejected the trinitarian belief due to it not macking sense at all. And it's not just humans who can't understand it, even A.I will admit that the trinity is illogical.
@@NibCowler What part of the trinity doesn't make sense to you?
Smart people are also Muslims and atheists, and some of them have to be wrong about these conflicting beliefs. As for A.I., and I swear this is true; the other day it got a basic math problem wrong when I was using it. You can lead A.I. to some odd conclusions, and it'll be inclined to agree with you too.
@@magicman9552 I know they're smart Christians too but when confronted with the trinity they just say the human mind can't understand it. My problem with the trinity is how can 3 distinct beings be 1?
Which one makes more sense is irrelevant, because God's omnipotence has no obligation to make sense to us mortals, who are limited in their knowledge, intellect and reasoning abilities at any given time.
So I am not a big fan of the idea that a theology is correct only by virtue of making sense to us, because the most important variable here is God's omnipotence.
I'm not religious, but this seems correct to me
Omnipotent how ? So God can create another ? !!
If god wants us to worship him he would enlighten us on who he is clearly, nowhere in the bible does it explicitly explain the trinity, so who are you worshipping really? Btw the co-equal co-eternal doctrine of the trinity was a conclusion made by nicea in 325 A.D so what did they mean?? The conclusion doesn’t make sense yet you say its fine because that’s god, you guys attributed this doctrine to god so shouldn’t you understand it?
If God wanted us mortals to follow him, the he will not be the author of confusion
A hindu polytheist can use your exact same argument in his favour.
Just say that god is complicated and does not make sense to humans.
Your argument is baseless.
Last time you were outragous for her twitter post about the prophet alehi salatu salam and now you are happy friends makes even less sense than trinity😂
1900+ years later -- folks still confused. That aint right
She does not have a thought in that head.
Any logical person will tell you 1+1+1 equals 3 except for those with blind faith logic literally goes out the window😂😂😂
Marriage of 6 year old to 55 how's that😂😂
Justice for baby rukmini 😓
Thats the best thing you can offer after many years while muslim proven that the bible contradicts itself the logic behind the trinity doesnt make sense and the original sin and the blood sacrifice thing isnt really convincing like your punished for something you didnt do and your rewarded for something you also didnt do
Everyone in the comment section calm down, I have three words for this clown,
Can you explain why it's wrong without using liberatic traditions of the west and the present day of the era of hazrat Muhammad?
Because Isaac married a 3 year old
And Moses literally talks about slaying the men and women and told his soldiers to take "young children's that haven't laid with a man for yourselves"
Everyone in the comment section calm down, I have three words for this clown,
Can you explain why it's wrong without using liberatic traditions of the west and the present day of the era of hazrat Muhammad?
She was 9
Your point?
Like you can't explain to me why the marriage of hazrat Ayesha and hazrat Muhammad is wrong without using liberatic traditions
I had a Christian once explain this to me as follows: it's like an apple. It has the outer red part, the inside, and the seed.
And I said, that's true, but sometimes you have a worm inside the apple too, and all apples come from a much bigger thing called a tree with leaves and branches.
He then proceeded to explain it differently: it's like water, it can be a liquid, gas, or solid. You see, 3 in 1?
I said, "And sometimes the water is contaminated and has bacteria and other elements in it." I went on to ask him this: since when did we start comparing the Creator of the universe to water?!
Needles to say, he didn't like me anymore. I wasn't "playing" along with BS reasonings of his. We never spoke again and I've been sleeping like a baby.
Teach me the ways of sleeping like a baby i've been trying for ages now.
May Pearl's heart be opened to Islam - Ameen
Falsehood cant stand cross examine questions.
SubhanAllah ❤
Bruce lee said be water my friend. Maybe theres different vessels for the same water. When youre rich you dont become the boat by stepping in, nor the car, nor the plane. Youre just the driver
Is it just me or he is more calm and gentle with women.
Nah not rlly, look at his other podcasts
He only sounds rough in debates
Easy! Body soul and spirit - one person. Yolk, albumin,shell but one egg
I mean it's God, if it's confusing for us that's because we're human and can't comprehend the essence of God. You know it's God and he's one.
Not according to the not so holy biblr
“Kinda” 😂
Assalamualaikum. I have a question. What is 'ahad' mean in english ? For what i know there is difference meaning between 'wahidun' and 'ahad'
Wahidun = one
Ahad = ?
Is there a word in English that can explain the meaning of 'ahad' ?
Is it that it doesn’t make sense or the fact that you can’t comprehend it.
Theologian Walter Farrell in his book 'Companion To The Summa vol. 1 chapter 7' writes:
The Trinity is a mystery; no doubt about it.
'Unless we had been told of its existence,
we would never have suspected such a thing'.
Moreover, now that we know that
there is a Trinity, we cannot understand it. The man who attempts to unravel the mystery
is in the position of a near-sighted man straining his eyes from the Eastern Shore of Maryland
for a glimpse of Spain. We cannot probe the depths of the ocean of divinity with the foot-rule
of the human intellect.
You need extraordinary patience when you know your talking to someone who isn't illogical but they choose to switch of their brain just to stick to what they want to believe
Bro her heart is without ego😮
The thing is that they're EACH completely God (so not partialism) but also distinct entities.
The trinity literally contradicts the bible
God is no author of confusion
Now explain those flying muslim horses.
It is not confusing, also Jesus says to disciples they are brothers so it makes 15. They are 15 but also they are 1. It is perfectly normal 😂
It can never make sense to canal minded people
It takes a deep spiritual revelation of the Scripture and divinity of God Himself to understand the Trinity.
I hope God opens their inner eyes to see the Ultimate truth.
“Little g god” 💀💀
Yes it does ❤!!!!!!
I think during their bible studies, they study the bible while drinking nescafe 3in1. Every sip for every 'gord' word.
It does makes sense people just can't comprehend it
One day you will leave this life and you’ll know the truth there , even if you regret won’t help you in hereafter
@@Mnzmanzmz I'll be in heaven my friend jesus is god
@@Vivid8331 Every rational and logical minded person will say the trinity is illogical. It's impossible to prove the trinity makes sense without ruining into fallacies.
@@NibCowler the Bible is the god honesty truth
its 3 in 1
its nescafe coffee
The trinity is like thinking of water, which can be found in three forms: liquid, solid (ice), and gas (vapor), but it's still water. Similarly, Christians believe that God is one essence, yet exists as three distinct persons. Each person of the Trinity is fully God, but they are not three separate gods; they are one God. It's a core belief in Christianity, emphasising the unity and diversity within the nature of God.
It’s a belief that wasn’t accepted by most church fathers until the 4th century.
We all have God within us that are part of the whole.
pearl has had some work done, very interesting
That’s why they called it faith, It’s not logical it’s a belief and doesn’t have to make sense.
That's called blind faith
Islam has nothing like that
@@Bumer_x_x prove it
@@ltz8030 Islam isn't a belief, it's knowledge of god, Allah SWT isn't illogical nor is it out of logic infact, in the Quran he has given us 99 names, and wanna know something insane? Your hands! The Quran was revealed in Arabic, and when you read the Arabic number, you realize 81 is written on your left hand and 18 is written on your right hand in Arabic, if you add them together what do we get?? 99!!
That's one of the smallest miracles Islam has
@@ltz8030he has given us 99 names to understand him, while I Christianity god is only called god, he hasn't given any names, infact, christianity isnt even WRITTEN in the holy scripture
@@Bumer_0_ All you did its just quote me something from your book. I asked for a proof. Let me make it simple to you, you can’t never prove it that why you believe.
If this guy come to debate with me and my bro he going like a roasted turkey
Avoid Antichrists
Aka Jesus Christ
Allah have 2 right arms 😂
Thanks for letting us know you can't read
Just look his smile 😁😁😁
Whats even more confusing is why make up a God to begin with, when there is no evidence
The proof is all around you. You are confused. If you have evidence that there is no God prove it.
@srs2283 Find me the beginning of the world and tell me what was before that.
@srs2283 so the point zero is 4 or 9 billion years? What was before that?
@srs2283
1) I do not know as well . But i believe that was God. The evidence that made me end up believing that is for simplicity: there is no creation without a creator.
2) Before, there was nothing. This is my belief . I can not prove you with science, something that is beyond science. Scientists accept the existence of electron with out being able to prove its existence.
@srs2283 That's not a third grade argument, it screams you don't have logic. When have you ever come across information that wasn't created by something intelligent like a phonebook for example?
If you look at it from a sense of duality then yes they are all different. But in the eyes of those who are spiritually aware. There’s only one God who is all 3 at the same time. He is all 3 and 1 at the same time. This perspective of duality which perceives that God is seperate from the creation cannot comprehend such a concept
God is unlike anything in creation, so the best God that best fits that description is the triune God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We see unipersonality everywhere, so I would argue that he is the one putting constraints on God. Of course if we assume that God is just like us, then it will be difficult to accept.
Allah azza wa Jal guide her
It is easier to understand the trinity when you understand the “why?”. According to the Christian Bible, why did Jesus have to live life as a human being if he is God.? What about the prophecy by the prophet Isaiah that “The Lord himself shall give you a sign: Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call his name Immanuel (which means “God with us”)? Here it is saying that God is giving you a sign through the virgin birth, yet the one who is born will be called God as well. But the distinction is that he is with us
Most important thing to enter heaven is belief in ONENESS of God and Christians broke that covenant.
Let me ask you this. Does it make more sense that God should conform to our minds or as scripture says, He is above us in every possible way?
It makes more sense my friend, respectfully saying so as an Orthodox Christian this is my belief. It makes more sense because God is not an “ordinary” being like us, so He does not have to comply with the laws of the created world, nor should we expect that from Him
That's pure cope. Jesus never taught it and it breaks the number one rule, Your Lord is One! God had the time to say that but apparently it was hard for Him to explain the Trinity to you guys.
@@WeAreGhurabait’s not “pure cope” literally every Christian believes this
Even if every christian believe trinity is not in the bible
I also find water h2o💧🌊♨️❄️ confusing
Divinity doesn't make sense. Doesn't mean that Trinity is false
I got that 3 in 1 body wash very good highly recommend
Bro got that religious rizz
You have water in liquid form, vaporized and solid as ice. But is it not the same thing?
no it isnt, and that's modalism.
It doesn’t matter what makes more sense it’s about what is the truth, and there are also problems with Islam and Tawhid, but it would make sense for god, a being outside of the universe to eternally exist like nothing inside of the universe
God is infinite so he can be anything
Christian’s need to explain that if Jesus is eternal, meaning that he has no beginning and no end. Then where did the “Father” get the “Son” from before the creation of the universe? Note: The host Virgin Mary did not exist before the creation of the universe. She was born 13.7 billion years after the Big Bang. Some 2,000 years ago. And if the “son” came as the “flesh.”. Then WHERE did the “Sons” spirit come from before the creation of the universe? Where did the Father get the “ sons” spirit from without the host before the creation of the universe?
Lets make it a parliament
1×1×1 is still one easy way to understand it we aren't adding its one God but he can exist however he feels fit even if he is 3 in 1 thats the power of the God we serve
The Bible presents God as one Being, who exists in three distinguishable Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All three Persons in the one Godhead are coeternal, coexistent, and coequal. In other words, there are three "eternal distinctions" in the one divine essence.
she felt in love with him 😂dont be surprised if she get married to a Muslim man
Her expression says she agrees with hijab😂
It makes sense if you take Christian God as family constructed of Father Mother(holy spirit) and Child( Jesus) then the Family is God which would also reflect on Us being created in their image respectively
I always find it fascinating how Christians need to do a mental gymnastics to understand their own book eventhough according to their own Bible, there is only one God, God cannot be a human being and the concept of trinity is not in Bible unless you do a triple jump and 360 flip and misquote a quote or two (out of context) only then you can find the trinity.
3 in 1 ?? Bruh that's a Shampoo 💀
Which one makes more sense if you actually read your prophets?
Islam is the objective truth
So can they differ ???🤣🤣🤣
Jesus said , I'm not good only the father is good. Pray to the one God only just as the old testament ie Father or Yahweh. God is not human nor will be every be.
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
He could have asked
So would u get married to 3 persons but they are actually one or marry one person.
Which one makes more sense and is simpler.
So your God is like a man? Interesting.
Hijab once again takes on a renowned religious scholar. 😂