Best intermediate telescope mount for astrophotography in 2020?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- Hi folks,
In this video I compare various intermediate mounts (advanced mounts) that are on the astrophotography market today. This comparison includes the skywatcher eq6 pro; skywatcher eq6-r pro; atlas eq-g; atlas II eq-g; celestron CGEM II and the Ioptron CEM40. It is my sincere hope that this comparison video helps you to narrow down your list of mounts you want to buy.
Clear skies!
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Yes, the Skywatcher mounts and the Orion mounts ARE the same mounts. The same mounts are also available under the name of Saxon. They are made by Synta. The difference is the paint colour and the brand label. The slightly earlier model of the Skywatcher was black like the Orion models but had lower quality bearings and a different Hand Control interface socket. When Skywatcher released the Pro version they painted it white and upgraded the bearings, and for the following year the standard black model was still available. Synta is the same company that makes all the ED80 Telescopes we are familiar with, painted different colours and labelled Skywatcher, Orion, and Saxon.
Despite your irresistably good looks, I still would have liked to see the information you so desperately hid from us with your cameraframe in the right bottom.... Having said that; thanks for the info, I think I will start to save up for the iOptron. Keep up the good work!
Haha, yes, I've heard that before. I'll take it into account next time. Thanks for watching.
Skywatcher, Orion and Celestron mounts are all made by Synta company. However, they are not exactly the same, but are extremely similar. Differences are mostly driven by requirements from respective "brands".
In any case, it is nice to have a video with such line-up, especially for many people who are moving up in astrophotography.
Based on the level of commitment to astrophotography (emotional, time-wise and finance-wise) - there are three mounts on three levels (broadly) on the market:
1. Start: Celestron AVX - first "real" mount for many many astrophotographers.
2. Improve/develop: Skywatcher EQ6R-Pro - proven mount with now years on the market, better than any on the list (from some significantly, from some marginally).
3. Close the loop: 10Micron GM1000HPS - first and last among premium mounts which closes the loop. From this one - the only way is "up" in terms of payload, price, remote observ/photo... and accuracy (Planewave, ASA etc...).
I've participated in many many discussions, back & forth's, analyses, informed and uninformed conversations - and met many people (owners) and talked to vendors who maintain and repair and improve mounts. After enough time in seemingly endless discussions - conclusion was always as stated above. Those who own Astro-Physics will argue, those with Software Bisque will argue, those with iOptrons will argue etc etc. Anyway, I moved from AVX to EQ6R-Pro and one day, if I'm not bored by then or whatever with astrophotography, I may find I'm committed enough to justify 13,000 USD for 10Micron.
One more thing - I agree on portability, but w/o absolute encoders or a dome - lighter mounts will be susceptible to issues due to the wind. One of the reasons I gave up on iOptron CEM40 (and CEM60 for that matter) and stuck with EQ6R-Pro.
Hi there, thanks a lot for your detailed analyses, and thanks for the info on the CEM40. I tend to agree with your thoughts. Beginner mounts world be AVX/HEQ5 and intermediate mounts will then be either cgem2, Eq6r-pro, atlas2, mainly because of the upgrade to heavier telescopes. Cheers and clear skies.
Thanks for all your research on this subject. I was planning on buying the atlas 2 for a 115 triplet. Do you think this would be a good set up? Is the eq6r pro have any differences you can identify? Thanks in advance.
@@Alohachett Until AstroForum answers, my 2 cents would be - on paper the Orion Atlas II EQ-G and SkyWatcher EQ6R Pro - are the same mounts in different color and with different labels. In fact, the Atlas was upgraded to Atlas II to match the Skywatcher EQ6R Pro. They've aded belts to the drive system of the original Atlas and dual-saddle (Vixen and Losmandy). In theory, they should perform the same. In practice, SkyWatcher EQ6R Pro with belt drive has been on the market for a while now and there is a lot of information and experiences shared online. Parts are easier to come by (from manufacturer) - not so sure about the Orion. One thing no one knows if Orion just asked Synta to re-paint EQ6R Pro - but it seems like it :)
I would check Cloudynights forum - there have been topics discussing this.
One thing I'm not sure also is - if Orion Atlas II uses EQ MOD (then again, some people don't use this at all). Same load capacity so you should be fine with Atlas II.
Why not SkyWatcher EQ6R Pro anyway?
I feel that the 9 people who disliked this video did it because of the crooked photo frame..
And they would be completely in their right to do so. LOL :-).
@@AstroForumSpace ,Omg..Im Just Watching For The 1st Time,Yeah..Thats Crooked😂😂😂
Lol.....I wondered if someone noticed.
Thanks for another video... I have the NEQ6 Pro (Atlas Pro), as indicated by others are twin sisters with same genetics just wearing different dresses.
The improved altitude adjuster on the EQ6-R/Atlas II and the handle are probably the two external significant upgrades ergonomically. The internal belt drive and slight added capacity are of less overall importance for those who have to transport and setup their mounts.
The advantage of a belt drive is two-fold, quieter slews(no real difference just running at sidereal) and no backlash issues with gears. This second part advantage is seen when guiding and when PPEC is engaged. The mount changing directions (moving faster or stalling(moving slower) under a belt drive improves the rate of change without inducing the lag that backlash normally causes when changing the rate/direction for guidng via programs like PHD2.
For PPEC you train the drive to know the shape errors in the worm gear(that's where the main repeatable error occurs in a 3 minute cycle). With gears vs a belt there are more induced errors during corrections using gears so the PPEC can be much smoother with belts. Rowan belt modifcations for the NEQ6/EQ6 are good but due to belt sizing vs gear sizing some have seen minor issues after DIY installation. Having a competent mount service upgrade it may be best for those not mechanically inclined.
The iOptron mount with iPolar is new and iPolar is supposed to be as good as a Polemaster, which is perhaps the most popular accessory for these mounts. While GPS is nice, everyong carries phones which have highly accurate locators and the extra few seconds to input the coordinates really is nothing in the scheme of hours of operation.
BTW, I believe my NEQ6 is heavier than 16kg, I haven't weighed it yet but I think it's closer to 20kg, at least it always seems much heavier than 35lbs.
Thanks for the detailed feedback, highly appreciated! I'm considering the Eq6r-pro as mentioned. I'm still on the fence though. Some state that we should take 60% of the max capacity as rule for accurate guiding... As I'm planning to have about 12kg on the mount, perhaps I should consider alternatives (most of them more expensive...). Thanks again and clear skies!
YES! I've been reading into my next mount and this video helped a ton. Thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Great to hear that, thanks!
If the mount has a USB it can be added on to your Wi-Fi via a USB Wi-Fi plug in for example a linksys AC 600 USB network adapter. Plug it in and link it to your network.
Wow it's amazing how much the prices have changed on these mounts. They are now almost double there prices on here.
Yes, higher transportation and fuel costs, and less astrogear available unfortunately.
@@AstroForumSpace it's gotten kinda crazy to what they were priced at just a year ago. Hopefully they will start going back down some. Looking for a new mount. Maybe the eq6 or something like that. But there just so high right now.
Hi. Very excellent analysis. To me the Skywatcher eq 6 r is the way to go for you. I am in the US so I’ve had the Orion ATlas clone . I can tell you it’s very reliable. (Yes you are correct they are exactly the same functionally speaking, disregarding the colors. ).
After you master the mount, you can always purchase the pole master and then it do extreme PA. Then you have comparable to the ioptron.
But recently, I’ve added the EQMOD usb direct cable, and did away with the hand controller, and I’ve purchased the ZWO ASIAIR device for total wireless control of both mount & cameras. Plus, you can do precise polar alignment using the ASIAIR that performs plate solving very efficiently.
Good luck.
Dino
Thanks Dino!
Some comments. Orion and Skywatcher, and some Celestron mounts are all made by Synta. The Skywatcher and Orion mounts are cousins.
Both of those mounts can also be run from EQMod, the Celestron can not.
The ioptron iPolar is similar to the Polemaster device and also the SharpCap part alignment routine. Honestly, if you're going to have a guide camera, use SharpCap and use the guide scope for polar alignment.
The CEM40 also, at more cost, comes in the CEM40EC version, which has enhanced encoders or better tracking, but it costs more.
The recommendation that I've always been told is for astrophotography, no more than 60% of the rated capacity of the mount for payload. So, with any of these, you're going to be limited to 20-22 pounds of payload.
It's more money, but I would look at the ioptron CEM60 with the TriPier mount.
About $2,700 USD, but if you wanted to put something like a 10" or 12" R.C. on it, the Carbon Fiber truss types are weighing in at. 34 and 44 pounds respectively.
Even the 8" Carbon Fiber tube version is 17 pounds, and that's before you start adding cameras, guide scopes, guiding cameras, filter wheels, etc. Very easy to push right up against that limit of 60% of 42 pounds.
At astroshop.Eu, you can get the iOptron CEM60 for 2190Euro, without the tripod (just the head) and the TriPier for 690 Euro. You could lap get the iPolar for 289Euro.
Sure, it's more expensive, but it will last a long time, offers great reviews by users, and supports your future growth.
Explore Scientific offers a 152mm Achromat for under 800 Euro, but it's a beast at close to 30 pounds (web site says 11 kg.) You still are going to need a good mount if you want to put that on there (with a Baader Semi-APO filter) and shoot with it.
From the stuff you've mentioned, I would go with the CEM 40, but the Skywatcher EQ6R Pro would be my next choice. I too have a Celestron AVX, and I'll never buy another Celestron mount again.
Want wireless? I would suggest the Losmandy G-11 with the PMC-8 wireless control system, but it's 4,000 Euro.
You Could get the Explore Scientific EXOS-2 mount with the PMC-8, and that's only 700 Euro, but is only rated for 28 pounds.
Do look for the PMC-8 videos here on TH-cam though to see the loading demo they did to it, sixty or seventy pounds worth of weights on it. Pretty Amazing.
Thanks a lot for the detailed info. I'm thinking about the Eq6r-pro (as said in the video) with a TS Richey Cretien 8 inch (about 9kg) to capture smaller DSO's (galaxies, globular clusters). With guiding and camera would be at about 12kg I think. But you're probably right that the more expensive options provide more accurate guiding... Do you have any experience using a RC? Thanks again, clear skies.
@@AstroForumSpace I have a 6“ GSO with an AVX mount. I had to tear the AVX apart and clean all the grease and crap out of it to get it to work right. Unfortunately, right about that time my life hit a major snag and I lost almost everything. I have not been in a position for the last three years to do anything in astrophotography, so I can't really speak to your question. I'm sorry.
@@GaryMCurran hi Gary, I'm sorry to hear that. Hope you are doing better now and thanks for all the info.
Not to mention the cem40 is a beautiful mount its not black or white like every other mount on the market.
Pretty counts. It bothers me that attractiveness is a big factor in my equipment decision, but if the functionality is close, "pretty" can swing the decision.
For me the tracking accuracy and polar alignment requirements could be relaxed. They can both be replaced with with an additional tracking scope and free (or inexpensive) software. What I think matters more is both RA and Dec motor control so that software can have full control of positioning and capturing. I would expect that from an advanced mount.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I love the CEM40. On top of everything else it has through the mount cabling and usb/ 12v/ and guiding port on the saddle, options I have only seen on more expensive mounts. The weight is a lifesaver.
The main hard thing for a student to get the money for starting this hobby 😞😞😞 for students like us this hobby is just a dream.
Otherside there are many people who hv 4, 5 diff types of mounts 🙃. And the only thing i can just watch their videos . The pain is when you want something deeply from heart but haven't the capacity to buy.
Good review. The more I am researching, the more I think that the EQ6-R is the vest option.
Great video and great series so far, you deserve more subscribers for sure. However anyone else triggered by the crooked frame in the background?!
Haha, yep. I noticed during editing :-) Thanks for the positive feedback.
Ah yes, missed half the video because of it :P
If i look at the Ioptron CEM40 it is more expensive then the rest in the comparison. However, it has a build in iPolar that comes with it, which is basically a Polemaster from iOptron. If you factor in the price of a separate polemaster with the other mounts the prices are comparible again.
Yes, a lot has to do with the budget you are willing and able to spend. Thanks Remco.
I have the CEM 40. The determining factor for me was the weight of the mount. My only reservation was the minimum operating temperature of -10 which is no longer a concern because when it actually gets that cold, I'd rather be inside anyway. Tracks beautifully. The only thing I don't like about it are the knobs on the saddle. They are cheap and I find the USB and power on the deck to be pretty much useless. I'll probably take it out to make more room for cables running down the center which is great. Cable management is superb.
Thanks for sharing your experience a with the CEM40. good to know cable management is very good. You also mention that the usb is useless, can you explain why if you have the time? Thanks again, clear skies!
@@AstroForumSpace It's a single USB2 up on the saddle. It's not sufficient so I ended up attaching a powered USB3 up onto the scope and running the cables to the USB hub down the center of the mount. I think most people will do this. It's not really a complaint of the mount. I think it's a great mount.
@@ChrisTardif_ thanks for the clarification!
i use the CEM40 non EC version with no guide camera and Ipolar alignment I am able to get 3 minute unguided subs with no elongated stars, the included tripod for the CEM will be a little wobbly when you place a larger heavier OTA.
Thanks for sharing! How heavy is the payload of your gear?
@@AstroForumSpace I would say less than the 20lbs (80mm refractor, 50mm guide scope, DSLR camera) although need to get a longer dovetail hard to balance it with the dovetail that i have.
I'm back to add a little to the thread. I've had lots of time to test the Meade LX-85 and thought I'd drop my experience here. Regarding the ASCOM drivers esp. Right now I'm running Stellarium thru a third party RS232 to USB and the "Direct serial port connection" option in the software. For PHD2 I have a QHY-5 2 mono and I have to use "On camera" in PHD2. The old school method of direct connection via the QHY and the guide port on the mount. There are two heavily discussed ASCOM drivers for use with this mount. One is the "Meade universal" and the other is the "Meade Generic." Before I continue I must add that Ihave purchased third party wires and also the Meade #505 connector set. The first problem I encountered was the COM port not being recognized. The Meade USB to COM has a driver available that creates a virtual COM port. That failed. I am able to connect the mount to PHD2 in this way but it throws up a "Guide pulse error" when you try to manually guide in the menu. I have tested the wires and I'm convinced that there are no full working ASCOM drivers for the LX-85. Included my work-around to help others. As far as tracking goes I had consistent RMS error of 1.2 off of a very lazy polar alignment. The gearing is such that it will track very accurately over long periods of time. What I was concerned with was consistency. It passes. Ispoke with Katorella Astro and he assures me that his mount is connected thru ASCOM and not thru the guide port of the mount. He is using the "Meade Generic" ASCOM driver. This could all be a WIN 10 error and beyond my understanding. This is my experience after many long hours of research. I basically gave up and for everyone out there: I have a degree in Info Systems Tech. This mount gave me a lot of trouble. I still love it but it's sad to have to use third party wires to accomplish minute tasks. Would I recommend it? Yes and no. If you plan to automate STAY AWAY. If you want a solid mount that's light, and you can accept on camera guiding, grab one. It is possible that a future ASCOM driver will be developed. To me personally, we are in 2020.....all mounts should be USB. Furthermore ASCOM is important enough that the companies providing mounts should be supplying drivers. I hope this reaches anyone it may help. Clear skies.
Highly appreciated!!! Thank you so much for sharing such a detailed review. This review will really help people who are considering the Meade lx85. Would you mind if I shared your review on my website as well? Just to inform people who are considering this mount about your experiences? Anyway, thanks a lot.
AstroForum sure. Hopefully it will reach folks
Thanks!
I did get the EQ6-R in 2018. At that time it had no USB connection but there are cables like the Lynx EQ-direct cable and similar cables from pegasus astro. This way I can also connect it to my Raspberry Pi. Anyway, the EQ6-R was the best mount I was able to afford and it was a good choice.
Thanks for sharing your experience with your eq6-r! The raspberry pi is an interesting option... Do you have it on the mount? Would it be able to run SGpro? Clear skies!
@@AstroForumSpaceThe RaspPi is on the pier (I didn't like the tripod). You are limited to Linux but Radek Kaczorek has compiled the AstroberryServer which is a complete system for Raspberry Pi using INDI (similar to ASCOM) and KStars. It is an awesome solution and it is free.
Since Christmas, the weather was really bad so I really do hope for some clear nights.
Clear Skies.
Whenever mechanical accuracy is required, heavy is better. You want it heavy but to come apart for transport. Also, due to the arrangement of the legs, the Skywatcher Pro wins out for anyone observing near the equator. The counter weight easily clears the legs. I had heard that there have been lots of complaints about the iOptrons, so much so people won't even buy their ota's now because of the reputation of their mounts.
Nice video! Though higher price, I think the iOptron has more value for the money.
I still haven't made my final decision, I like the price of the Eq6r-pro and the weight of the ioptron :-)
@@AstroForumSpace I found a used CEM40 from a reputable dealer for a very good price.
Preamble finishes around 9:00.
Thanks, I'll look into adding timestamps to all my videos so it will be easier to skip to the section of your personal interest. Clear skies.
Hi,
Thank’s for all your tutorials and your informations. I like you and your Chanel.
The SkyWatcher AZ-EQ6 is also a very good one...
Jean-Marc from Nice (France).
Merci beaucoup Jean-Marc! I've been to Nice a couple of times, beautiful part of France! Az-eq6 is probably also an excellent choice. I didn't include az-eq, maybe I should have. Clear skies!
It's the same thing as the one he mentioned, it just has the option of Alt Az control and a couple other features.
So it's basically the one he mentioned with a few upgrades for $500 more.
Great as usual.
I would recommend the Sky-watcher EQ 6 R pro.
For gps there is a device that can be used for it.
For direct connection to pc or laptop there is an eqmode cable that works great even in apt software and others.
For great polar alignment also you can used the polemaster and it is very easy and handy.
I believe for meridian flip apt can handle it, didn't try but heard others did it.
The waight is the only thing that we have to live with it, though it is not too heavy but it is heavy.
So i do recommend for the SW eq 6r pro.
Thanks for your feedback! I ended up buying the Eq6r-pro. Clear skies.
AstroForum Hi, as you mentionned you had an AVX for a couple of years before, do you miss anything from Celestron’s ecosystem? Thanks for your video.
Good comparison. Don't forget the ioptron comes with ipolar .
Hi there - just adding to comments about Skywatcher and Atlas mounts being brands of the same mount - I'm in Australia and have a Skywatcher NEQ6 Pro mount but sold under the brand Saxon. So it's a Saxon NEQ6 Pro (it's white and looks exactly the same as a Skywatcher). Thanks for your videos!
Hi Damien. Aha, then these mounts definitely come from the same Chinese factory. Thanks for sharing!
Just ordered the HEQ-5 Pro 🥳
Coming from an EQ-1, which wobbled when just breathing 😂
Didn't go with the EQ-6 line, simply because of the weight. Also I am using a 80mm refractor, so no need for the additional payload capacity for imaging
Have fun!
thank you for a great YT channel! In 2022, do you have any new mounts to consider?
Ah, thanks! It depends on your budget and the payload /focal length you want to image with.
I have the EQ6 pro but I'm ready for an upgrade. Maybe you could do a mount series on the new harmonic mounts. Colour is a factor for me as things are already hard to see in the dark. So white is one of the best colours and black the worst. I would never willingly buy black.
What scope do you use or do you want to use if you consider upgrading?
Thanks again for sharing your experience as an astrophotographer. I am still 50/50 between Eq6 R Pro or iOptron GEM 45, which have the same load capacity as Eq6 R Pro.
The appearance of the GEM 45 has spoiled my choice. Because to photograph in the city of Faro in Portugal (where I live), I have to climb 4 floors without an elevator.
I think you will choose Eq6 R Pro as your new purchase.
In relation to the iPolar + Eq6 R Pro, (maybe it's a killer option) so I saw it in a store in the UK, we can buy it as an accessory, as is also done by Polemaster.
Thanks again for the video, I really admire your work considering the pollution you have to deal with daily.
Obrigado Tiago! I'm tempted to buy the eq6-r pro, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Ioptron. Didn't know that the Ipolar system can be bought as a standalone. I've been doing my polar alignment using sharpcap pro. Clear skies!
Hi Tiago and Wido. Today i'm in the same indecision, and i'm reading comments everywhere on the web (thank you Wido, i discovered your channel and web site in these days during my researches, and i've found them really interesting and both well done!). Now the question: Tiago which mount did you choose at the end? which are your thoughts about it? And thank you Wido for your test of eq6r pro you have purchased after this video. Ciao!
I’ve been into astro for about 8 months now. I have the ioptron skyguider. It’s been great, but when I’m using it with a 350mm scope and doing 60sec+ subs, I have to throw away about 1 out of every 5 images due to tracking errors. I don’t use a guide scope. This is just the guider walking back and forth and not a polar alignment issue. My question is, if I upgrade to an eq mount like these, will i be able to have more “keepers” without a guide scope? I prefer to not over complicate it by needing a pc or the “air” unit to connect via WiFi and set up guiding. If I can just get a better mount I’d be fine with no guiding and still have a few subs tossed.
Hi, most EQ mounts show some error in their tracking which is why most astrophotographers use autoguiding. I just released a video on guiding, it's not so difficult. Clear skies!
Nice and informative video. SkyWatcher and Orion are made by the Chinese manufacturer Synta. I have a Sirius and and Atlas Pro and have been very happy with both. I probably could have gotten them a bit cheaper if I went with SkyWatcher. I have to learn how to make your inset videos. - Cheers Kurt
Hi Kurt, thanks! I'm using adobe premiere to edit my videos. Clear skies.
Informative video. Your face over some of the graphics was a little off putting but knowing there probably wasn’t much on the graphic behind I wasn’t missing much. Like your other videos too.
Hi. Nice vid... surprised you came up with tracking accuracies, I don't recall ever seeing that listed in ads for them... maybe I just missed it. About video quality, In the opening and closing segments, maybe use a lavalier mic so the sound is the same as when you are at the computer. Then, the music is much louder, so at several points, the viewer is having to adjust the volume. Some of us watch when family is sleeping, so this is a problem. Let us know which mount you decided on!
Thanks for the feedback.
@@AstroForumSpace It is never a certain thing when giving constructive criticism, especially if it is your first encounter with that person, and how it will be received. I also could have mentioned how well prepared you obviously are for the vids I have watched, the good subject matter, full explanations where needed, good cut scenes-though, watch out for jumping props (like telescope on desk jumping location between takes or the thing charging on the wall in the lower left appearing and disappearing)- good lighting, nice locations, your excellent command of English and consideration for your audience likely origins by including prices and ads from the US as well- quite understandable you not mentioning the Pound as we all know they only get half a night of clear skies a year : ) ,etc, etc... I majored in Television Production at Uni and worked in the field for some years as well as being heavily involved in production of two small films, so my critiques do not come from nowhere. I'm glad you took my comments as intended and look forward to enjoying many more of your vids!
@@athopi Hi Dusty, to be completely honest with you, I don't have the slightest clue on how to make a good video :-). I just watch other TH-camrs and take it from there. I have bought a cheap lavalier and usb microphone today as per your recommendations. Any kind of help is highly appreciated. I'm doing this primarily because I like to share my hobby with others, but please do give me feedback. I'm always happy to learn and grow in this respect as well.
@@AstroForumSpace I'm intrigued by your channel because we use the same basic setup with but little variation. Same 80mm f6 type of apo, you a TP, me a Meade, zwo178, mine is mono, you use an AVX, me a cgem, we seemed to have reached the same decisions from half a world apart. I think astronomy really can be a common language! Big thumbs up on getting the lavalier and the usb mics! (Prepare for more advice...) Try to keep the volume levels in the same range and treble controls the same brightness. You get a lot more reflected sound in front of that blue/black wall than in your room/office area, so keep that in mind. You never want volume level to go above 0 db. Most people use -3 db as their maximum level to hit when talking. That leaves a little head room to keep out distortions from things like a sharp laugh, sliding chairs, door closings, dropped or snapping things etc... Sometimes, in an uncontrolled environment, like a commercial kitchen or construction area, your max levels could be -9 or even -12 db loudest ambient and the mic very close to the mouth to try to dampen all the extra noise. Talk across the mic, not in to it to avoid popping P's and mushiness. You'd then have to adjust your final level in the edit to match the "studio" levels. But you shouldn't have to worry about that. With the lavalier, be sure it is centered so you can turn your head either direction easily without too much drop-off and make sure it isn't dampened by a thick collar and that no part of the clothes is rubbing against it and that the area where it is clipped is not likely to be rubbing against skin or other cloth as you speak or move your arms. There, now it is up to you! : ) Good luck and eagerly awaiting your next vid!
Firstly thank you, very interesting to see someone else's priorities in real time. Things to add:
1. The iOptron is the only one with a fully mechanically balanced polar axis - I'd be confident this is better accuracy and repeatability, (perhaps also an element of the higher price), at this price point €400 is an investment.
2. Please straighten either the picture on the wall or the wallpaper behind you - an issue for us with OCD's :) (not CCD's).
I tried to take obsessive compulsive disorder into account in my latest video: th-cam.com/video/WwYj0B6l964/w-d-xo.html. Please let me know if this solves the issue :-). Thanks, the ioptron is indeed very tempting. Still haven't made my final decision on my next mount :-).
@@AstroForumSpace Problem solved :)
@@912582 haha, Thanks. It's the widefield lens on my canon M50 that makes my bedroom look like the oval office. I'll zoom in a little next time to avoid this effect.
@@AstroForumSpace No Field Flattener? :P
@@912582 Ah, I should've thought of that, lol!
yes a usb on the mount add a cpwi module for the wifi
CEM 40 is like my Gem 45 coming today so this is an excellent video for me to watch.
How do you like the CEM40? You think it is better than the EQ6-R?
Nice Video! I enjoy these comparisons! I wish my eq g had the direct usb connection. Another thing is I cannot do pulse guiding with it unless I buy more hardware! Thanks for this comparison!
Thanks Ed! And thanks for the info on pulse guiding with the atlas, didn't know you would need additional hardware.
Thanks for another great video :) I was sceptical about the iPolar, but having used it with the Skyguider Pro it's hard to go back to using an optical polar scope. The new iOptron GEM45 looks very interesting also, albeit it's about £100 more expensive than the CEM40 so maybe the bottom of the next category up?
Hello wido could you do a video for advanced mounts.. the big boys like cgx-l and similar , thanks
Hi, thanks for the video!
I've just ordered the EQ6-R Pro a couple of days ago.
Also planing to operate my scope with an AstroBerry. This way I can have a wifi connection from my laptop to my scope.
Any experience with that?
Congrats! I've never used astroberry, sorry. Enjoy the eq6r pro.
1st Time Watcher,I Have The Eqm35Pro That My 6se Is On,and Can Break It Down And Use It For My C-90Mak,and The Evoguide50ed With I Can Use As a Stand Alone Wide Field..Nice Video,Thank You..You Have a New Sub❤️🙏🏼🔭🌏
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USB2 is basically unusable with todays high megapixel cameras and thus completely irrelevant. What is important however is cable management capabilities. I've got CEM40 and routed USB3 cable through mount centre into camera USB hub completely bypassing it's USB 2 ports. It's sad that iOptron went with that slow and outdated ports on this otherwise modern mount.
2 years late but the mount is very very low bandwidth a usb 2 is fine. its the camera that needs usb3.
Were you able to find a mount with GPS and wireless connectivity?
Is the NEQ6 A good mount? Will it deliver great guiding and performance like the EQ6-R Pro?
Hi there, if I'm correct, the NEQ6 Pro mount is the predecessor of the EQ6R Pro. The main difference is that the EQ6R Pro has a belt drive which (somewhat) increases the guiding accuracy of the mount. Also, it can handle about 2 kg's of extra payload (at least according to the specs of the supplier) and it has a handle on the mount head to carry that heavy mount around. Also, the EQ6R- Pro has a USB output on the mount itself so you can control the mount from your PC with (free) EQMOD software without needing the extra controller.
The first mount I got was a week or so ago, the EQ6-R pro, for my little 80mm APO xD. No regrets tho :D
You'll be able to put heavier scopes on that mount in the future princes Luna, and your apo is rocksolid :-)! Clear skies.
@@AstroForumSpace Yeah, that's why I bought the biggest one I could afford. That way I can get quite bigger scopes as I'm learning, without having to spend even more money^^ CS :)
Sky-Watcher EQ6-r pro v Celestron Advanced VX Mount? You have used both so which do you think is best? Thanks
I would say both serve different purposes. The Eq6r-pro is in a different price range. So, it is'better' in terms of payload capacity, guiding accuracy with heavier gear etc. But if you're just starting out and don't want to spend over a thousand dollars, and you'll start with a smaller refractor, the AVX is a good starting point for beginners.
Great video mate
Hi, I'm torn between EQ6 R Pro, and CEM60. I know CEM60 is better but its also 800$ expensive, so I'm just wondering if you'd absolutely recommend going upto CEM60 or if you think SQEQ6R pro would do just fine? I have a 22lb Ota plus some other toys with a total payload of 28-30lbs.
Hi Zeeshan, that's indeed a difficult choice. The Eq6r-pro is a decent mount at a favourable price. I have only used it with gear up to 8kg (so about 17lbs) and I got it to track at sub arc accuracy in ra and dec. I don't have any experience with the cem60 but ioptron mounts are very lightweight and most users seem to like them. The payload capacity is just that little bit higher... Good luck and clear skies.
Excellent video! Thank you!
Thanks!
ive been thinking about the Skywatcher EQ6-R pro, but if it comes with loose drive belts, im not too sure anymore.......
Hehe. Yes I can understand that. I've fixed the problem though, and it tracks well. Good luck and clear skies.
Did anyone buy the cgen ii? Do you feel munsoned or do you feel a tingle when you use it!
I have a CEM40 and use it with my 80mm APO for photography. I like it a lot, but there are some quirky things. The tracking has been great, but the go-to has not been all that good. My AVX go-to is far superior.
Thanks for sharing your user experience with the cem40. Very useful!
Thats odd my goto with my cem40 has been spot on every time have you updated the firmware or talked to ioptron about it?
@@cowthedestroyer I'm not sure they have released any firmware yet for the CEM40. I've checked a couple of times. The go-to is ok, but not as good as the AVX. I've been using Sharpcap as imaging software and put a cross hair on the screen when I do my 3 star alignment, so it's as accurate as I can make it. Of course I have a lot of cable hanging off the thing and I'm not entirely happy with the cable management. I only got it in the fall and have probably used it about 10 times. It's not bad enough to send anything back, but somthing to keep my eye on. What I really need to do is get plate solving working with my planetarium software.
What do you feel about skywatcher 200/1000 ?and is it worth or maybe for a flexible price I can get clearer closer photographs ty in advance for your advice!,
Lots of folks start out with a reflector. The are relatively cheap, have a large aperture and the F/5 ratio is excellent for deep-sky imaging. Take into account that reflectors are a bit bulky and heavy, so you'll need a decent mount that is ably to support the telescope. And this reflector will probably suffer from coma, so you'll probably need a coma corrector for deep-sky imaging.
@@AstroForumSpace thank you for the info. i have a budget of 2000-2500e found a good one with alll the tools at about 600 pounds, I want to capture nebulas and clusters not just planets but also be able to track and record, i have good cameras equipment but i never ventured this area and is quite an expensive hobby. I don't know if i'll afford to upgrade soon, that's why I'm trying to make a good decision; any reccomandations you have throw them at me! and thanks so much, o nice of you to help out:)
Nicely done. You definitely did your homework . Clear skies #LookUpItsTheOnlyWayOut
Thanks!
It’s amazing in just a few months everything costs 25% more… it’s pretty discouraging…
True
Just a question, if the skywatchers and Orion models are same then why the tracking accuracy is different, is tracking accuracy dependent on the gear train or also on the software ?
tracking is always difficult to measure, I base the figures in the video on what users have been reporting in other reviews. Tracking accuracy depends on....weather conditions, weight and balance of your payload (telescope, camera, guidescope), how well you have polar aligned your mount, differences in focal length....I'll stop here, you get the picture. But in general, it's good to take your weight of your payload as an indicator for the kind of mount you are going to need. Clear skies.
@@AstroForumSpace thanks a lot, I was wondering if the mirror mechanism used in high speed camera can be useful to characterise this mounts. But that setup might not be cost effective. 🤘🏼 clear skies 🌌
Excellent video!
A well presented, intuitive vlog 👍.
Thanks!
I don't se EQR-8 here
Not exactly in the intermediate price range 😀. But if you have the money and don't mind weightlifting, go fir it.
What was second place? What did you end up buying?
Oh, I see now.
Yes the Eq6r-pro. In my opinion it's one of the better mid-level mounts.
@@AstroForumSpace interesting, because the iOptron seems very good also.
Was it just the price in the end, the fact that the iOptron is a little different, or all of the above?
The one you chose seems like very good choice.
Hi Wido, I have a 9.25inch SCT and a ZWOASI178 camera with AVX mount.. I love it.. but I have a dilemma as far as Deep Sky observing because of payload capacity. I came from a visual background but now have AP bug.. do I get a better mount, a smaller SCT like an 8inch or maybe a good refractor... saying that I have a AZ100 Inspire Celestron refractor...which I can put on the AVX mount.. not sure if it is up to the job though as there is quite a bit of movement in the rack and pin focuser..
If I got a deepsky camera the I would go for a mono type. It would be nice to capture nebula such as the horsehead, and veil nebula.
I was trying to spot The Helix nebula yesterday but it is so low in the sky in between trees and too much moonlight. Lol.
What was your favorite equipment combo in your experience for deepspace observing?
Hi Robbie, there's a whole lot to discuss :-). You can find my gear on my website: astroforumspace.com/my-astrophotography-gear/. The C11 is supernice, but will suffer from coma for which you'll need a coma corrector. Also, with that focal length, you'd need at least an intermediate mount like the cgem2, the eq6r Pro, or similar. If you want to use the avx, a good wider field refractor telescope up to max. 500mm is nice. Be sure to get an ED or APO refractor. I've used my TS 80/480mm f/6 photoline refractor for years and was very happy with the results. If you want to go mono, you'd also need a filter wheel and a cooled camera, I've been using the asi1600mm pro + filterwheel. For more info you're welcome to check out my website: www.astroforumspace.com. and you can use the chat function on insta to send me DM's. Hope this helps, clear skies!
@@AstroForumSpace Thanks for the link to look at your equipment Wido
A criterion you don't include seems important to me personally--upgrading in synch with present investment. Having an AVX and an 8SE, I have acquired a Celestron GPS module, their WIFI adapter, and their StarSense alignment camera so going with the CGEM II makes sense to me as satisfying everything except maybe the tracking accuracy. Also not having to learn an alternative alignment code. Am I deluded?
The cgem2 is undoubtedly a good mount. I would personally like to see a usb connection on the mount but you can indeed upgrade the mount with external devices. In europe its over 2000 euros. 400 more expensive than the skywatcher. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
If you are able to get an ASIair pro you don't need to star align or have GPS. You are able to plate solve once you are polar aligned and focused, all ready to go.
Like the video. Just to let you know I bought the EQ6 r -Pro last month and I love it. It tracks great looks great and is quiet .
Solid , I like the extension rod on the dec .. Just happy I made the purchase . Now I have to sell the old one, so I can pay towards
the EQ6 ... Chow
Steve
Thanks Steve! Good to hear that you like the eq6-r pro.
Great presentation. Bedankt!
Thanks for your positive feedback Michael, clear skies!
Hi Wido!
Great video!
I am very confused if I should buy iOptron GEM28 with AsiAir Pro. Will work perfectly with hand controller connection as it does not have a USB Type B port.
I hope you will reply :)
Sorry, can't help you there. I'm not using the ASIair PRO, but SGP.
Great presentation! I've been considering spending a little more for the CGX mount. Would you consider a comparison in that class of mounts? Thanks again, this video is very helpful!!
Hi there, thanks! I'll consider it for a next video.
Can you make a video about leveling the mount altz and decs.. And how zero position the mount.
You could check my very first video. th-cam.com/video/clNITffWijg/w-d-xo.html cheers
@@AstroForumSpace watched it however it doesn't tell you how to make those marks in case u don't have them.
Aha, if you don't have the marks then you should visually polar align it to the north (or south) celestial pole. Maybe this helps: th-cam.com/video/XqcbDC3pdG0/w-d-xo.html
you could use software (see last part of the video). Good luck!
Good comparison that shows you get what you pay for. I have a quite old EQ6 Pro. I didn't fancy paying out 1600 euro for the EQ6 R, so I upgraded my mount with the EQ6 belt modification, after hearing great results from it. So it is always another option, rather than buying a new mount.
Thanks Brian. I'm considering the EQ6-R pro...if I may ask, are you getting good guiding results with your EQ6 pro? Clear skies.
@@AstroForumSpace My mount is just recovering from it's surgery, so not had time to test it out yet. Too many clouds. Before upgrading I was getting below 1 arc second in PHD2. I will let you know my results when the weather clears. The mount is also a lot quiter since the upgrade.
@@briangriffiths937 thanks. We've had two decent nights since November.
@@AstroForumSpace I had a few good nights while I was upgrading my mount. Once I had it upgraded, the clouds rolled in. 😒
what do you think of the IOptron CEM70?
I never used it, but on paper it looks like a very decent mount. Comparable to the Celestron CGX
I’m trying to find a good tracking mount for the skywatcher Quattro 12 inch. But I can’t find one that can handle 50 pounds. Any ideas, thanks for the help
Maybe the celestron CGX? bit.ly/2OXyYsY. It can handle 55 pounds. Good luck!
@@AstroForumSpace Yes, it can handle 50, but the Quatro 12" is a very very heavy beast - it would be close to or over it's limit with everything loaded up. An EQ8 is a better option
@@lancewilliams8732 Ha, yes. You mean this one? bit.ly/3gDPHxN this is a true beast that can handle everything. But I hope you'll have a fixed spot in your backyard, or perhaps add some wheels? I don't want you to break your back Lance. Clear skies.
I think, on principle, you have to ding Orion for its "No parts or support for non-original owners." I've owned lots of Orion equipment, but that policy is a BAD policy. They should feel a groundswell of backlash; maybe they'll do right. In the meantime, I avoid them and look for a SkyWatcher clone (like my recently purchased used AZ-EQ5).
I just bought the CGEMII and I'm struggling, but I think this is a normal part of the process with astro anything (not necessarily photography). BTW this mount is heavy. I have to totally dismantle it to move it (ok, i'm not so strong). I can move the tripod and mount if I remove OTA and counterweights, but it's still heavy. Doesn't help that I have three broken fingers at the minute, but still -- I probably should have thought this through a bit better. I went through 2-star align, and who knew, Capella was underground LOL. :) Weather has been crap so that's not helping.
Hi Danette, I'm sorry to hear you're struggling, but rest assured, everyone does so in the beginning. The cgemII is one of the heavier mid-range mounts. If I remember correctly, you can click on "back" when a star is not visible in your sky, the controller will automatically suggest another one. You can also use an APP like stellarium to see what stars are in the night sky.
I wonder why people do the eqg when its literally the same as a eq6. Orion, skywatcher and saxon are the same
hi please help, my lat is 3.164 what mount should i get EQ or AZ that is good for photography, i would say i am above ave beginner. Thanks
what's the total weight of your scope, camera, filterwheel, guidscope?
@@AstroForumSpace thanks for the reply my new equipment would be around 10K include camera.
@@AstroForumSpace confuse AZ or EQ i am having a headache
10KG
@@whateverrrrrr123 hi, if you aim for 10kg I would buy an intermediate EQ mount. I've recently made a dedicated video on what intermediate mounts are on the market, see: th-cam.com/video/hlOn9rDVPes/w-d-xo.html i'm considering the Eq6r-pro myself. But given the latitude you should check if the mount works at your latitude which is fairly close to the equator of I'm correct. Clear skies!
For heavy gear and price, EQ6R is UNBEATABLE. For lightweight gear I would chose an iOptron CEM25P. A friend is doing 1200s at 450mm fl
Thanks. I'm leaning towards the Eq6r-pro. Thanks for your feedback.
@@AstroForumSpace you will not regreet it.
Orion owns Skywatcher now. They are selling under Skywatcher brand outside US. In US, you do not have Skywatcher mounts anymore - you can buy the Orion version of them. They are essentially the same mounts. One in white, the other in black.
CGEM II is rated at 45 lbs, not 40.
not where you got that info - this says 40: www.celestron.com/products/cgem-ii-eq-mount-and-tripod#specifications
AZ-EQ6 Pro ??
Decided to leave az-eq out, video was already 20+ minutes. But you're right, if you like to have alt-az as an extra option then its definitely worth considering.
I have the AZ-EQ6 Pro. I love it. Especially the mount adjustment knobs. It also has belt mod and encoders. Really great 👍
Using an eqdirect cable you don't need the HC.
Nick's astrophotography snap. The adjustment knobs especially the alt one is I’m what swung me to it. Just waiting for mine to come back from Dark Frame optics after a stellardrive and tune.
@@HogarthsAstrophotography
Yes, I really like it.
I got to try out the eq6r pro later, but the alt knobs are definitely harder to use. Especially for fine adjustments. Sticking with the AZ-EQ6 Pro...
Got cem40 for couple of month, polar alignment with ipolar works very well for me
Hi Stephan, good to know, thanks!
If Ioptron doesn't support EQmod functions in ASTair, it loses ALL its stars. ;)
That sounds bad Tom :-)!
the atlas and Eq-6 range are the same mount, Orion is just an american distrubutor that rebadges equipement, the atlas and the sirius rage (which corresponds to the HEQ-5) are all equipped with the synscan software and needs to be updated and controlled with skywatcher drivers.
/Edited/ I love the CEM40, but it's deceivingly small phisycally, and it doesn't play well at all with scoped that require a side mounted camera such as newtonian, since the normal way of mounting teh camera would have it crash into the mount itself, so you have to use the camera by rotating the scope and that moves the center of gravity way up
Very useful info and the cem40. Didn't know this, thanks for sharing!
and losmandy...?
Thank for the intention but l cannot even watch the video to the end . To I much justification for the point.
Celestron, Orion, and SkyWatcher are all made by Synta in China.
I just bought a CGEM II. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
CGEM II is a great mount David, they all are. My personal preference at this point is the Eq6r-pro, but I've owned a celestron AVX for years and would be very comfortable with a CGEM II. Enjoy your mount.
straighten that damn picture
Lol, sorry.
The "Hello Folks" is Chuck's thing. Do something else. Good work on these vids, otherwise.
any suggestions? Thanks for watching, take care.
@@AstroForumSpace Do something that's unique to your area or in your native tongue. Can't wait to hear what you come up with! :D
Dutch sounds terrible, but I'll give it a go, haha.
AstroForum nah, man. Your work deserves a one-of-a-kind intro.
Mate the photo that's mount lolololololol on the wall isn't level lol
Uhm....lol. i think its also the wide angled lense on my new canon M50 leading to some funky curves :-).
@@AstroForumSpace it's all good mate
These are not intermediate or advanced mounts. These are entry level mounts.