I love your opinions on movies and this is the second video ive seen from you (the first being pirates of the carribiean). It's very brave of you to talk about the last jedi, knowing that not many people may agree. I love the ideas that ryan johnson had for the this movie, but I think that it wasn't executed greatly.
That seems to be a theme among these comments - appreciating what he was going for, but not loving the movie. Thankfully, I’m personally able to love it :)
Mind you, while the idea behind the story in the movie might be not bad, or even quite nicely done, it sadly doesn't mean, that the movie itself and the actual story in the movies is well elaborated or well made. you can build a crappy hutt on top of the best foundation...
I agree with your points about the message of TLJ being that of failure and how the jedi code and order were not the great, positive things. But for me, the movie handles it poorly. it tries to be too many things at once and the change in Luke was never enough explored to be believable. In this 15 minute video you explained more about why you chose to walk away from the "church order" than luke could in a 2h + movie. And thats why the movie still fails for me so much
Been enjoying your work so far. You've done a great job viewing art that deals with Biblical themes and concepts while remaining nuanced and open about it. Great stuff so far, and I can't wait to see what you have next!
11:00 luke never cut himself off of the force tho. that was a lie, he just didnt want to train rey. watch his fight with rey. when he falls he catches himself with the force.
Hated the new movies. Glad that you connected to the movie, and got sone enjoyment out of it. I definitely see tbe potential in Luke doing a 180- mean, each trilogy so far ended with a main character changing sides, but damn, the way they implemented it was obnoxious and insulting. I mean, yes, I could see Luke getting disheartened and giving up, but I have a hard time believing he would straight up abandon his friends to that degree. It doesnt feel like they fully thought it out. He should of stopped moping years before the movies and resigned to hunting his nephew down, becoming a villain figure... Hell, I could even stomach him becoming a hermit if they had properly set it up. Bit the whole trilogy was des9gned so the people in charge could wipe their ass on the characters and shove the shit in the faces of the audience.
I like some of the ideas, but if the plan really was to question the Jedi, then there has not been enough efford to explain this. The Jedi or more precisely the values they represent mean a lot to many people. The comparison to the church limps a lot. In my opinion it differs so much, that it can only serve as a comparison in very very specific aspects. The Jedi are the representation of everything that is good. When EP VII and VIII start most people still think Jedi are awesome and Anakin fell through their standards because he had too many ties which put him into situations where he was forced on a path that is no longer good. Why that is different from the church? Within the sci-fi universe of star wars the force is real. Maybe from your standpoint god is real, but he surely does not physically affect anything. Much in contrast to the force. Within the context of the Jedi being wrong/bad, EP VIII makes a lot of sense. But that context was never established. Sure it is one way you can interprete Yoda regretting mistakes of the past. But there are many other more reasonable interpretations. For me Jedi are still the beacon of goodness out there who get challenged by the dark side. The sequels are odd fancy experiments from a misguided company who ruined ideas of Abrams and Johnson by the framework they forced them in. I know that both Abrams and Johnson had good ideas of their own. And I think if they had full freedom of making a sequel trilogy themselves both would have been much better than what we got now.
A decent essay in relation to your experiences. But The Last Jedi was terrible in so many ways. I can see that Luke would learn about the Jedi being a bit daft and handling things badly but the way they wrote that whole thing was not good. He'd have learnt about that between Empire and RoTJ. And then Luke, the man who took down Vader and stood up to Palpatine, willing to give his life due to his belief that Anakin, a genocidal psychopath, still has good in him, then wants to murder his nephew because of some bad thoughts.
I found this video to be extremely compelling. I really like your commentary style and I’m really interested in spending the rest of my night binging your videos and learning more about your world view and how you watch movies. I had never thought to watch The Last Jedi as a criticism of religion and now that you’ve shown me the undercurrents of religion I’m more compelled to watch it again. I had always known that the Jedi were an allusion (is this the right word?) to religion but i had always seen the last Jedi as some crude attempt to deconstruct Star Wars as a whole and not religion. And while i enjoy the criticism of religion as well as the some of the ideas Rian Johnson put out in the last Jedi, I think he did it at the detriment of the characters he was given rather than using those messages to improve characterization and push characters stories forward. Using Luke as an example, the arc that you pointed out he went through was something I would argue that he already understood. The point of the original trilogy, in my eyes, is lukes journey to realize not only his own flaws but the flaws of the Jedi philosophy and how by cutting away your emotions you only create Vaders and allow palpatines to seize power. I think that they cheapened Luke’s arc in the original trilogy by showing that he learned nothing from his experiences in that trilogy to add to the Jedi philosophy and keep another Vader from being created. I think nothing shows the reduction of Luke’s character more that him trying to kill Ben in his sleep. Luke was able to see the good in a man who blew up a planet just to punish Leia, had his aunt and uncle burned and killed his mentor right in front of him and you’re telling me that he couldn’t see that same good and conflict between the light and darkness in his own nephew? A similar effect could’ve been achieved by showing Luke trying to save Ben the way he did his father and having Ben turn into Kylo Ren anyway and killing all of Luke’s students the way that he did. Then its not, “I made a mistake in my fear” its “I did everything I could but when it came down to it, I, the legendary Luke Skywalker, couldn’t save my nephew or my students”. I’m just gonna end this comment up with the fact that I really didn’t like the last Jedi. I thinks it’s worse than the rise of skywalker and its damage to the series and the fan base is truly terrible and is going to take years to be fixed. I think that just trying to be subversive to be subversive is a very damaging ideology and that being subversive should serve the characters not be a detriment to them.
Finally, someone else who recognizes the religious trauma of Luke and the Jedi as an important factor to his character and Star Wars as a whole. I’ve been banging this drum for ages now.
I think the main problem with the Last Jedi is connected to how it handles deconstruction. Thematically speaking it has an interesting message, however, where it fails for me is that in every well-defined deconstruction, one must build upon, to reconstruct so to speak a new message, or offer you a better alternative. As an example, take a look at Knights of the Old Republic II, it also criticises the dogmatic ways of the Jedi but it offers you a better solution, which is exercising human will, instead of relying on any given code or set of rules in every situation. In other words be adaptable to whatever is thrown at you, this is how you bear the responsibility of your actions, casting your excuses to the dirt, compared to excusing your actions and behaviours on a rigid code. Plus another point in connection to Luke's change from the original trilogy to TLJ, is that when a person reaches a profound realisation in a moment of extreme difficulty (i.e when he decides to shut his lightsaber off, when he beat Vader at the end of Return of the Jedi) that thing sticks with the person, they do not really revert back to doubts connected to that particular pattern which they have chosen. Unless he purposefully desires to go back to get even more disillusioned with life, than before. So in that regard I would say, that is the main reason why people did not connect to the version of Luke, because it does not make sense for them to be the same person given the problems which he surmounted.
Wonderfully put together video. But here's a hot take. I both love and hate the last Jedi. Everything you said put into perspective a lot of things I liked about the movie, the rey and kylo stuff mixed with Luke had me hooked. But everything else I hated and was pointless to me. I have some overall issues with the way the movie is paced and how some characters turn into jokes or are spoken down to, but the Luke Rey and Kylo stuff was absolute genius. Anyways that's just my 2 cents. Great video man.
Looking back on this, I'd like to add an addendum to this comment I wish rian johnson stuck to his guns. I wish rey turned evil and went with kylo. I wish rey and kylo became the true villains of the series. I wish the resistance actually failed and holdo was held accountable for not telling their crew their plan instead of blindly trust authority figures. I wish finn still liked rey in the way they set up in the first movie only for it to come crashing down when she turns to the dark side and have the whole subplot on the war planet or whatever wasn't pointless because I genuinely love their chemistry. Original point still stands, I both love and hate this movie. I would love it a lot more if rian stuck to his guns and went all the way with his plot points instead of backtracking halfway through to "subvert our expectations"
I really Want to like TLJ, and i kinda did after first viewing. But as you put it with the prequels "strange filmmaking decisions" just makes that hard for me. Apart from the point that Luke's character is such a different one from the OT that it's hard to swallow, there's Finn and Poe being pointless and/or stupid, Holdo being more stupid, and Snoke being killed. This itself is not a problem, but it leaves episode 9 without a compelling bad guy, as Kylo just isn't threating enough. Rey already beat him in 7 after all. Even if that was logical due to the blaster wound he suffered, story wise it's just not compelling for the hero to beat the bad guy in the first movie and then still make us root for her when she tries to beat him again.
Holdo is cautious, not stupid, keeping plans that rely on secrecy as close as you can is not stupid, it's basic strategy 101. Poe always was as reckless as he is here, but it finally has consequences now. Finn is a sidekick, so do with that what you want. And finally, no Rey did not beat Kylo in Ep 7, she managed to not die against a severely weakened Kylo but that's about all. Against a Kylo who also, given his decision to torture and not kill Finn when he had the chance, was more toying with them than seriously fighting. And I genuinely like how that arrogance backfired so massively, but it doesn't in any way diminish his power levels below Ep 7 Rey. So if they wanted to make him a full villain for Ep 9, they totally could have done that. But then they tried desperately to please the haters, so we got that hot mess of OT fanservice (loads of references and callbacks) without any substance to it.
I love the Last Jedi and was raised Catholic. I don't know what denomination you were a part of, but there will always be hypocritical people both in the laity and the leadership. That doesn't mean I will leave the Church because I believe in what it is supposed to be and in the people who ARE trying their best to be good Catholics.
Same here. It certainly is telling that Our Lord who made His Church is the same Lord who warned against the false shepherds, wolves in sheeps' clothing, and hippocrates who would be present within (but would not negate her salvific mission, and He formed the Church anyway). The same Lord gave Peter the keys and soon after rebuked him with name 'Satan' for impeding Him (but was quick to show him mercy after he denied Him, and He made him Peter anyway). The sins of some or many in the Church do not justify withdrawing from her, especially in her time of greatest need. Our hope is in the Lord, not in fallen humanity ("...not this crude matter").
Luke’s logic for turning away from everything is so ass backwards. Sure the prequel era Jedi kinda sucked, but what about the Jedi before them that kept peace and Justice for over a thousand generations? They must have been doing something right.
This is my thing: while I think Rian’s execution of story (looking at you, space chase and hyperspace ram) was not done well, TLJ has definitive Star Wars moments, such as when Yoda visits Luke. I love the themes he portrayed, but not the story. It’s unfortunate that Rian Johnson was delegated to a middle movie with a foundation made by JJ, who is not as creative if you ask me. Rian was put in a corner and tried to write his way out of it
Definitely a fair way to look at it, and I certainly understand that perspective, as someone who doesn't particularly enjoy 9, and 7 has gone down in my estimation seeing the trilogy as a whole
I really liked The Last Jedi when it came out and was interested in how they would resolve everything. It was different and you could just feel that Ryan had put some serious thought in it. Still kinda sad that most people hated it and we got the desaster that was the 9th movie...
This is a good essay, but honestly, I think that Rian Johnson would have pointed out these themes when this film received so much hate, if he truly intended them. But still, those are some interesting points that you made, and if you've got any more evidence, I'd be happy to hear it.
It's an interesting thought, but how often do you really see filmmakers straight up tell you what their movie means? It should typically speak for itself, which I completely think TLJ does.
@@RobertsThoughts That's true, but if one of TLJ's biggest criticisms was its apparent shallowness, it doesn't exactly seem unlikely that RJ would at least hint at a deeper message- perhaps on Twitter? George Lucas, for example, has expanded on the themes of the prequels a great deal- the altogether unpopular prequels. This realisation of their deeper meaning allowed me to enjoy them more. Is there any evidence you could show for your hypothesis?.
Not sure what my hypothesis was, but just because a method works for one filmmaker doesn't mean it has to work for another. And the fact that Last Jedi was so divisive meant that there were a lot of people like me who saw some deeper themes and filmmaking techniques going on that they appreciated. What Rian Johnson has said is that his interactions with Star Wars fans have been very positive, so I just don't think he's ever felt the need to explain the movie's deeper themes.
@@RobertsThoughts Well, that's a valid opinion, and I'd have to respectfully disagree until further evidence presents itself. If you have any articles or interviews as evidence, of course, I'd be interested to read them.
I used to hate this movie. Episode 9 is now my least favourite anyways and this one is by no means great but also not a bad film. Its kind of in the middle somewhere and its up to peoples discretion on what they like which is kind of neat. Personally im not a fan because of the outright flaws in the movie such as the entire act where they just stay on that casino planet and thats it. Or the major plotholes in terms of the actual star wars canon. The good things about this movie get overshadowed by those parts unfortunately. Not saying its a bad movie because as a standalone film it is a very well made film (aside from casino planet shit) but in the terms of the star wars universe it is one of the worst ones. Cool analysis video here however
I agree with this, I rather like what they did with Luke and Rey in TLJ, it's just a shame that everything else was just so boring I literally can't watch it
@@RobertsThoughts I do think they could have handled Luke's failure a little better though, trying to kill Ben just seemed out of character, like I would have just had him say something like "I saw the darkness within him and I saw it growing, but I also saw the good in him, the same good I saw in my father. I thought I could save him. I had faith in my teachings and I had faith in Ben. But the darkness kept growing and growing. No amount of Jedi teachings or Jedi wisdom could stop it. I wish I could say I didn't realize until it was too late but I did realize. I knew the lengths of the darkness within him and I did nothing because that's the Jedi way. That's why the Empire came to be, and why the first order replaced them. That's why the Jedi should roll over and die off, there's no point to them living on." I feel like keeping Luke the perfect Messiah figure and still fail would have been more thematically relevant and also a lot more heartbreaking, other than that the stuff about Rey and Luke was perfect IDK how to fix the other stuff though because I can barely remember it
@@RobertsThoughts to everything else yes, but it served a purpose for Finn's character arc showing how the war affects everyone seeing that arms dealers profit from both sides and the children are put into forced labor. Finn's arc in TFA was never concluded seeing that he only helped the rebels just to rescue Rey and run off soon after. In TLJ Finn learns that running away won't stop the first order from taking over the galaxy. But by standing against them, he inspired others like Rose and her sister to fight the first order, and at the end of the film Finn learns to stand and fight for others besides Rey and himself
Well, that's bizarre. Video posted over a year ago. All but one of the comments dating to only the past twk weeks. You seem to be drawing attention all of a sudden! And deservedly so. Struggling with religious confusion everywhere in my family and their acquintances, you're hitting very close to home. Some well-chosen cartoons you've scattered around in there! I like the one with Jesus being excluded from "his own" church. Honestly, the only "church" I've found that approaches what I believe Jesus was going for is the *Pastafarian* one. Though that intrigues and entertains me as often as it baffles and confuses me, it seems... In any case, glad to see someone else state that TLJ *did* have something to say when the JJ SW films did not. Truth right there!
im glad you aren't in a church anymore. i have no issue with individual people who believe any countless forms of religion my one issue is religion itself and how hypocritical it is like you said
I love your opinions on movies and this is the second video ive seen from you (the first being pirates of the carribiean). It's very brave of you to talk about the last jedi, knowing that not many people may agree. I love the ideas that ryan johnson had for the this movie, but I think that it wasn't executed greatly.
That seems to be a theme among these comments - appreciating what he was going for, but not loving the movie. Thankfully, I’m personally able to love it :)
Mind you, while the idea behind the story in the movie might be not bad, or even quite nicely done, it sadly doesn't mean, that the movie itself and the actual story in the movies is well elaborated or well made.
you can build a crappy hutt on top of the best foundation...
@@foersterjunior "Crappy hut on top of the best foundation", eh?
That could work as a valid point of view on "Church vs. Jesus" too. 😅
It took me a while to realise you weren’t a massive channel and I’ve watched quite a few of your videos, these are really well done 👍👏
Thank you!
I never looked at the subscriber count :D well now im subscribing for sure
I agree with your points about the message of TLJ being that of failure and how the jedi code and order were not the great, positive things. But for me, the movie handles it poorly. it tries to be too many things at once and the change in Luke was never enough explored to be believable. In this 15 minute video you explained more about why you chose to walk away from the "church order" than luke could in a 2h + movie. And thats why the movie still fails for me so much
I definitely see your point, and thanks for keeping your response measured :)
If more people understood these films like you, we would of got a great episode 9 and a decent close to the franchise.
Been enjoying your work so far. You've done a great job viewing art that deals with Biblical themes and concepts while remaining nuanced and open about it. Great stuff so far, and I can't wait to see what you have next!
Thank you so much! I'll have similar stuff coming in the future, but will be branching out as well. Thanks for following along!
this really spoke to me as a quuer Christian and I love the last jedi for the same exact reasons
I love hearing when a movie like this had a personal connection with someone :)
Really well made and tackles an angle not many cover. Great job
I still absolutely love the Last Jedi and I’m not afraid to say it ❤️
Really wish Disney decided to stay on with Rian Johnson instead of bringing that Lost guy back
FINALY!!! Someone understand everything Ive been saying and screaming at the screen!
11:00 luke never cut himself off of the force tho. that was a lie, he just didnt want to train rey. watch his fight with rey. when he falls he catches himself with the force.
Hated the new movies. Glad that you connected to the movie, and got sone enjoyment out of it. I definitely see tbe potential in Luke doing a 180- mean, each trilogy so far ended with a main character changing sides, but damn, the way they implemented it was obnoxious and insulting.
I mean, yes, I could see Luke getting disheartened and giving up, but I have a hard time believing he would straight up abandon his friends to that degree.
It doesnt feel like they fully thought it out. He should of stopped moping years before the movies and resigned to hunting his nephew down, becoming a villain figure...
Hell, I could even stomach him becoming a hermit if they had properly set it up.
Bit the whole trilogy was des9gned so the people in charge could wipe their ass on the characters and shove the shit in the faces of the audience.
Your storytelling is absolutely amazing! Keep Grinding and you will grow.
My friend, you've created something profoundly beautiful here. In dark days you've given an old star wars fan a bit of the force to sustain him. ✌
I like some of the ideas, but if the plan really was to question the Jedi, then there has not been enough efford to explain this. The Jedi or more precisely the values they represent mean a lot to many people.
The comparison to the church limps a lot. In my opinion it differs so much, that it can only serve as a comparison in very very specific aspects.
The Jedi are the representation of everything that is good.
When EP VII and VIII start most people still think Jedi are awesome and Anakin fell through their standards because he had too many ties which put him into situations where he was forced on a path that is no longer good.
Why that is different from the church? Within the sci-fi universe of star wars the force is real. Maybe from your standpoint god is real, but he surely does not physically affect anything. Much in contrast to the force.
Within the context of the Jedi being wrong/bad, EP VIII makes a lot of sense. But that context was never established. Sure it is one way you can interprete Yoda regretting mistakes of the past. But there are many other more reasonable interpretations.
For me Jedi are still the beacon of goodness out there who get challenged by the dark side. The sequels are odd fancy experiments from a misguided company who ruined ideas of Abrams and Johnson by the framework they forced them in. I know that both Abrams and Johnson had good ideas of their own. And I think if they had full freedom of making a sequel trilogy themselves both would have been much better than what we got now.
very interesting perspective, and enjoyable video. Thank you!
Loved your take on the Last Jedi, you've given us a completely different lens to look through and watch this movie.
A decent essay in relation to your experiences. But The Last Jedi was terrible in so many ways. I can see that Luke would learn about the Jedi being a bit daft and handling things badly but the way they wrote that whole thing was not good. He'd have learnt about that between Empire and RoTJ. And then Luke, the man who took down Vader and stood up to Palpatine, willing to give his life due to his belief that Anakin, a genocidal psychopath, still has good in him, then wants to murder his nephew because of some bad thoughts.
I found this video to be extremely compelling. I really like your commentary style and I’m really interested in spending the rest of my night binging your videos and learning more about your world view and how you watch movies. I had never thought to watch The Last Jedi as a criticism of religion and now that you’ve shown me the undercurrents of religion I’m more compelled to watch it again. I had always known that the Jedi were an allusion (is this the right word?) to religion but i had always seen the last Jedi as some crude attempt to deconstruct Star Wars as a whole and not religion. And while i enjoy the criticism of religion as well as the some of the ideas Rian Johnson put out in the last Jedi, I think he did it at the detriment of the characters he was given rather than using those messages to improve characterization and push characters stories forward. Using Luke as an example, the arc that you pointed out he went through was something I would argue that he already understood. The point of the original trilogy, in my eyes, is lukes journey to realize not only his own flaws but the flaws of the Jedi philosophy and how by cutting away your emotions you only create Vaders and allow palpatines to seize power. I think that they cheapened Luke’s arc in the original trilogy by showing that he learned nothing from his experiences in that trilogy to add to the Jedi philosophy and keep another Vader from being created. I think nothing shows the reduction of Luke’s character more that him trying to kill Ben in his sleep. Luke was able to see the good in a man who blew up a planet just to punish Leia, had his aunt and uncle burned and killed his mentor right in front of him and you’re telling me that he couldn’t see that same good and conflict between the light and darkness in his own nephew? A similar effect could’ve been achieved by showing Luke trying to save Ben the way he did his father and having Ben turn into Kylo Ren anyway and killing all of Luke’s students the way that he did. Then its not, “I made a mistake in my fear” its “I did everything I could but when it came down to it, I, the legendary Luke Skywalker, couldn’t save my nephew or my students”. I’m just gonna end this comment up with the fact that I really didn’t like the last Jedi. I thinks it’s worse than the rise of skywalker and its damage to the series and the fan base is truly terrible and is going to take years to be fixed. I think that just trying to be subversive to be subversive is a very damaging ideology and that being subversive should serve the characters not be a detriment to them.
Finally, someone else who recognizes the religious trauma of Luke and the Jedi as an important factor to his character and Star Wars as a whole. I’ve been banging this drum for ages now.
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Wow wow wow. We have such identical journeys! Keen to keep hearing about it :)
I think the main problem with the Last Jedi is connected to how it handles deconstruction. Thematically speaking it has an interesting message, however, where it fails for me is that in every well-defined deconstruction, one must build upon, to reconstruct so to speak a new message, or offer you a better alternative. As an example, take a look at Knights of the Old Republic II, it also criticises the dogmatic ways of the Jedi but it offers you a better solution, which is exercising human will, instead of relying on any given code or set of rules in every situation. In other words be adaptable to whatever is thrown at you, this is how you bear the responsibility of your actions, casting your excuses to the dirt, compared to excusing your actions and behaviours on a rigid code. Plus another point in connection to Luke's change from the original trilogy to TLJ, is that when a person reaches a profound realisation in a moment of extreme difficulty (i.e when he decides to shut his lightsaber off, when he beat Vader at the end of Return of the Jedi) that thing sticks with the person, they do not really revert back to doubts connected to that particular pattern which they have chosen. Unless he purposefully desires to go back to get even more disillusioned with life, than before. So in that regard I would say, that is the main reason why people did not connect to the version of Luke, because it does not make sense for them to be the same person given the problems which he surmounted.
Wonderfully put together video. But here's a hot take. I both love and hate the last Jedi. Everything you said put into perspective a lot of things I liked about the movie, the rey and kylo stuff mixed with Luke had me hooked. But everything else I hated and was pointless to me. I have some overall issues with the way the movie is paced and how some characters turn into jokes or are spoken down to, but the Luke Rey and Kylo stuff was absolute genius. Anyways that's just my 2 cents. Great video man.
Looking back on this, I'd like to add an addendum to this comment
I wish rian johnson stuck to his guns.
I wish rey turned evil and went with kylo. I wish rey and kylo became the true villains of the series. I wish the resistance actually failed and holdo was held accountable for not telling their crew their plan instead of blindly trust authority figures.
I wish finn still liked rey in the way they set up in the first movie only for it to come crashing down when she turns to the dark side and have the whole subplot on the war planet or whatever wasn't pointless because I genuinely love their chemistry.
Original point still stands, I both love and hate this movie. I would love it a lot more if rian stuck to his guns and went all the way with his plot points instead of backtracking halfway through to "subvert our expectations"
I really Want to like TLJ, and i kinda did after first viewing. But as you put it with the prequels "strange filmmaking decisions" just makes that hard for me.
Apart from the point that Luke's character is such a different one from the OT that it's hard to swallow, there's Finn and Poe being pointless and/or stupid, Holdo being more stupid, and Snoke being killed. This itself is not a problem, but it leaves episode 9 without a compelling bad guy, as Kylo just isn't threating enough. Rey already beat him in 7 after all. Even if that was logical due to the blaster wound he suffered, story wise it's just not compelling for the hero to beat the bad guy in the first movie and then still make us root for her when she tries to beat him again.
Holdo is cautious, not stupid, keeping plans that rely on secrecy as close as you can is not stupid, it's basic strategy 101.
Poe always was as reckless as he is here, but it finally has consequences now. Finn is a sidekick, so do with that what you want.
And finally, no Rey did not beat Kylo in Ep 7, she managed to not die against a severely weakened Kylo but that's about all. Against a Kylo who also, given his decision to torture and not kill Finn when he had the chance, was more toying with them than seriously fighting. And I genuinely like how that arrogance backfired so massively, but it doesn't in any way diminish his power levels below Ep 7 Rey.
So if they wanted to make him a full villain for Ep 9, they totally could have done that.
But then they tried desperately to please the haters, so we got that hot mess of OT fanservice (loads of references and callbacks) without any substance to it.
No, the prequels are pretty damn good movies😌✌🏻
All 9 movies are good
@@MediaLoverChris02 I would argue, the last 3 are the worst of the bunch, the last 2 are borderline unwatchable - but the rest are quite amazing
@@mr_confuse Change of heart… the Prequels are some of the most unwatchable movies of all time.
I love the Last Jedi and was raised Catholic. I don't know what denomination you were a part of, but there will always be hypocritical people both in the laity and the leadership. That doesn't mean I will leave the Church because I believe in what it is supposed to be and in the people who ARE trying their best to be good Catholics.
Same here. It certainly is telling that Our Lord who made His Church is the same Lord who warned against the false shepherds, wolves in sheeps' clothing, and hippocrates who would be present within (but would not negate her salvific mission, and He formed the Church anyway). The same Lord gave Peter the keys and soon after rebuked him with name 'Satan' for impeding Him (but was quick to show him mercy after he denied Him, and He made him Peter anyway). The sins of some or many in the Church do not justify withdrawing from her, especially in her time of greatest need. Our hope is in the Lord, not in fallen humanity ("...not this crude matter").
Luke’s logic for turning away from everything is so ass backwards. Sure the prequel era Jedi kinda sucked, but what about the Jedi before them that kept peace and Justice for over a thousand generations? They must have been doing something right.
This is my thing: while I think Rian’s execution of story (looking at you, space chase and hyperspace ram) was not done well, TLJ has definitive Star Wars moments, such as when Yoda visits Luke. I love the themes he portrayed, but not the story. It’s unfortunate that Rian Johnson was delegated to a middle movie with a foundation made by JJ, who is not as creative if you ask me. Rian was put in a corner and tried to write his way out of it
Definitely a fair way to look at it, and I certainly understand that perspective, as someone who doesn't particularly enjoy 9, and 7 has gone down in my estimation seeing the trilogy as a whole
yes! how long has is taken to somebody to realize? thank you for your work
I really liked The Last Jedi when it came out and was interested in how they would resolve everything. It was different and you could just feel that Ryan had put some serious thought in it. Still kinda sad that most people hated it and we got the desaster that was the 9th movie...
This is a good essay, but honestly, I think that Rian Johnson would have pointed out these themes when this film received so much hate, if he truly intended them. But still, those are some interesting points that you made, and if you've got any more evidence, I'd be happy to hear it.
It's an interesting thought, but how often do you really see filmmakers straight up tell you what their movie means? It should typically speak for itself, which I completely think TLJ does.
@@RobertsThoughts That's true, but if one of TLJ's biggest criticisms was its apparent shallowness, it doesn't exactly seem unlikely that RJ would at least hint at a deeper message- perhaps on Twitter? George Lucas, for example, has expanded on the themes of the prequels a great deal- the altogether unpopular prequels.
This realisation of their deeper meaning allowed me to enjoy them more. Is there any evidence you could show for your hypothesis?.
Not sure what my hypothesis was, but just because a method works for one filmmaker doesn't mean it has to work for another. And the fact that Last Jedi was so divisive meant that there were a lot of people like me who saw some deeper themes and filmmaking techniques going on that they appreciated. What Rian Johnson has said is that his interactions with Star Wars fans have been very positive, so I just don't think he's ever felt the need to explain the movie's deeper themes.
@@RobertsThoughts Well, that's a valid opinion, and I'd have to respectfully disagree until further evidence presents itself.
If you have any articles or interviews as evidence, of course, I'd be interested to read them.
I used to hate this movie. Episode 9 is now my least favourite anyways and this one is by no means great but also not a bad film. Its kind of in the middle somewhere and its up to peoples discretion on what they like which is kind of neat.
Personally im not a fan because of the outright flaws in the movie such as the entire act where they just stay on that casino planet and thats it. Or the major plotholes in terms of the actual star wars canon. The good things about this movie get overshadowed by those parts unfortunately.
Not saying its a bad movie because as a standalone film it is a very well made film (aside from casino planet shit) but in the terms of the star wars universe it is one of the worst ones. Cool analysis video here however
I agree with this, I rather like what they did with Luke and Rey in TLJ, it's just a shame that everything else was just so boring I literally can't watch it
Fair enough. The casino stuff does seem thematically and narratively dissonant from everything else.
@@RobertsThoughts I do think they could have handled Luke's failure a little better though, trying to kill Ben just seemed out of character, like I would have just had him say something like
"I saw the darkness within him and I saw it growing, but I also saw the good in him, the same good I saw in my father. I thought I could save him. I had faith in my teachings and I had faith in Ben. But the darkness kept growing and growing. No amount of Jedi teachings or Jedi wisdom could stop it. I wish I could say I didn't realize until it was too late but I did realize. I knew the lengths of the darkness within him and I did nothing because that's the Jedi way. That's why the Empire came to be, and why the first order replaced them. That's why the Jedi should roll over and die off, there's no point to them living on."
I feel like keeping Luke the perfect Messiah figure and still fail would have been more thematically relevant and also a lot more heartbreaking, other than that the stuff about Rey and Luke was perfect
IDK how to fix the other stuff though because I can barely remember it
@@RobertsThoughts to everything else yes, but it served a purpose for Finn's character arc showing how the war affects everyone seeing that arms dealers profit from both sides and the children are put into forced labor.
Finn's arc in TFA was never concluded seeing that he only helped the rebels just to rescue Rey and run off soon after. In TLJ Finn learns that running away won't stop the first order from taking over the galaxy. But by standing against them, he inspired others like Rose and her sister to fight the first order, and at the end of the film Finn learns to stand and fight for others besides Rey and himself
Well, that's bizarre.
Video posted over a year ago.
All but one of the comments dating to only the past twk weeks.
You seem to be drawing attention all of a sudden!
And deservedly so.
Struggling with religious confusion everywhere in my family and their acquintances, you're hitting very close to home.
Some well-chosen cartoons you've scattered around in there!
I like the one with Jesus being excluded from "his own" church.
Honestly, the only "church" I've found that approaches what I believe Jesus was going for is the *Pastafarian* one.
Though that intrigues and entertains me as often as it baffles and confuses me, it seems...
In any case, glad to see someone else state that TLJ *did* have something to say when the JJ SW films did not.
Truth right there!
YEAH
Why is TLJ on the third place ?
Just asking, bc I think it is in no way bether than any originals
The music is annoying
im glad you aren't in a church anymore. i have no issue with individual people who believe any countless forms of religion
my one issue is religion itself and how hypocritical it is like you said
btw, it is criminal that this video has like 707 clicks. the points are super valid, wether you agree or not
Just watch the clone wars series.
Clone Wars is incredible as well. I've got an Ahsoka figure sitting on my desk because she's so similar to the ideas that Luke discusses in this movie
Just found the channel. Sorry but this video its just wrong for the most part. But bring up some intersting points.
how can an opinion-based video essay be "wrong"?
@@laurinnn Listen closely the language he uses in this video, he is making statements, not opinions.
Dislike.
This movie is straight up terrible, I do not fathom how you can sit here and praise it