A big example is how Kanan Jarrus survived order 66. In the comics, it’s completely different to how it happened in the premiere episode of the bad batch.
@@cameronhermann9400 yeah but the fact of the matter is that comic came out first when rebels was still airing and in the first episode of the bad batch, it somewhat got retconned.
@@BrennySpain Plus, it was all under Dave Filoni, I could see this mix up happening between multiple different creators but its literally only been Dave and the comic writer who more than likely based it on how Dave has Kanan describe it in Rebels plus they're supposed to have lore experts onhand
I separate the two, George Lucas Star Wars and Disney Star Wars. I treat George's Star Wars as the real star wars and Disney Star Wars as the what if, low quality fan fiction and non canon Star Wars.
Despite what George Lucas thought of the Expanded Universe, he gave creative freedom to authors who were willing to work in it. We want the Expanded Universe to continue with the same creative freedom. Disney's Star Wars is sterile and lifeless, as if it was created by an ai.
Allegedly, when the continuity was rebooted in 2014, Lucasfilm said that the pre-2014 Expanded Universe would continue to exist alongside the new content as a pair of "separate but equal timelines." Naturally, this immediately raised a lot of red flags, and in the end, the pre-2014 EU was not only neglected, but slandered.
I don't want to be toxic or an assholes because star wars has enough toxic fans but I must say this it has a really bad public relation department who blame everything bad they did on the fans and even call the ones with legitimate criticism as either sexist or racist because the characters were badly written
In my honest opinion, Disney’s choice, and most importantly Dave Filoni‘s choice to not consider the events of the old republic and the rise and fall of the eternal empire, and the ancient dark lords of the Sith Not acknowledge their existence and the contributions that they’ve made to the galaxy for over 25,000 years is garbage any would agree that the old Republic era should be the way that they should’ve taken the story instead of doing the garbage that it’s called the sequels in my opinion. The only thing in Canon that is good is the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy because those are still under George Lucas
honestly, a lot of legends stuff is trash. that said, the old republic is such a huge part of legends and is a lot better controlled than most things that it could easily be used in canon. no reason not to other than people thinking they can do it better.
Corporate greed destroys any and all great franchises it touches. If a great franchise is to be continued, then the people working on them absolutely NEED to have knowledge of it and respect for the established lore.
I unsubscribed to him ages ago as well as the stupendous wave and Star Wars explained. Also speculation but he hasn’t uploaded for ages. There’s just too much drama surrounding the franchise and it’s getting too much for me right now as well.
@@BrennySpain totally understandable. I unsubbed to Retney's Holocron as well. Too many content creators just eat this stuff up and not call out the flaws so they can stay on disneys good side.
I personally stopped reading the young adult novels ages. I only read the mainline proper adult novels now. They’re more canon to me than the young adult novels could ever be.
From what I've managed to gather and I'm still not fully certain on the numbers... but most of the retcons within the EU come from TCW (Filoni) who is now doing that crap in the new Canon and it's only a matter of time before it gets scrapped as well.
@@LaraA55 the OG Darth Bane looked way different, to the point they aren’t the same person and OG Bane used a curved sabe not a spear or pike they gave him ect..
@StarForceOne This is an excellent, straight to the point presentation and I completely agree with you.I am sure you will have comments that state George retconned things or changed things making things inconsistent, especially in the PT so why can't Dave do this as well? Well, George did do those things BUT his stories were coherent unlike Disney Star Wars which has become so convoluted, all over the place and way far, far more inconsistent. I personally feel that Star Wars needs to be sold and kept faraway from Disney...sold to someone who understands the lore and respects George's vision. Furthermore, Disney canon needs to be decanonised. In other words, Star Wars needs to be refreshed with a clean slate after Return Of the Jedi ( George Lucas Canon ) or include both the EU and George's canon. This is truly the only way to rectify Star Wars, otherwise under Disney it is going to get worse with lower quality and things just won't change. I separate Star Wars as George Lucas Star Wars which is canon and the real star wars for me and Disney Star Wars to me is a what if, non canon and lower quality fan fiction. Also, I now don't see young children dressing up as Star Wars characters , which I used to see a lot of 10 years or more ago. Young people don't know much about Star wars or don't have any interest in it.
In the Documentary, will you include anything about comics and other materials trying to explain or add details the sequels as they got out just being ignored or contradicted? Or maybe something about tie in novels disagreeing with what the directors say?
Looking back at how dave filoni introduced ahsoka in the CW movie, it was kind of weird that she was 13 years old and only wearing what equated to a bathing suit top.
It's hard to fathom why nu-SW fans eat up Disney's slop like they're starving. Even if they're just casual viewers, it's not at all hard to compare the quality of writing, worldbuilding, storytelling, etc. to that of both old canon and the EU. It's like they're allergic to anything actually good, even if it means it's a benefit to their time. One read of the Thrawn trilogy or the main books of the New Jedi Order series is enough to blow the wolf fetishist's garbage cartoons out of the water.
As someone who adores both Legensa and Canon equally, I'd have to say that you are ignorant and don't realize most fans. To insult an entire fan base. NJO Star Wars books, while now adored were not known to exist by most people. Everyone I spoke to who adored the films never heard of the books. Furthermore, Lucas himself made Star Wars a sandbox. He allowed most the content, but wouldn't hesitate to retcon anything he wanted to. As he did with the Clone Wars Multimedia Project. As he did with making Mandalorians Peaceful. As he was going to do with his own sequals, that would've retconned all of Post RoTJ EU material.
If I have a powerfully position in Lucasfilm one of my first acts is giving The Lucasfilm Story Group unchecked power or full power in general instead of them being more of advisory group. With that in mind One of my next moves is created the position of Lore Master as in someone who would be serving as a Lore Consultant for future Star Wars films and shows and makes some aspects from the books are aligned what happened in the shows and movies? Another position that I would create is call Continuity Editor where they serve as well editors for books and comics they make sure and check on the page for each book or medium to for errors whether it is related to continuity or typos in general? What do you all think of my plan to give Canon more tight and restrictive continuity that was promised more then a decade ago?
The day Disney bought Star Wars , Lucasfilm stopped caring about Star Wars and its fanbase The Lucasfilm story group has said that continuity doesn't matter to them They do not care about Star Wars and its lore - So then why should we? They continue to insult its fanbase, which is why I ( like so many others) no longer care about this franchise and have left it Star Wars will forever be everything before 2012
Rule 1 should be the books are cannon and any time Dave changes something in show it’s not. It feels like Dave is trying to incorporate a multiverse with his changes. And yes I know after the mcu multiverse is a dirty word but that’s just how it seems anymore they try and try to make it work
I was 16yrs old in 1978 when the first movie came out over here in Australia. ( nothing new about getting a Blockbuster movie over 12 months after the overseas release in the 1970s over here. DON'T ask me why, but it was the same for books, and only marginally better with record releases. Like only 3-6 months for records, but immediately released on the radio and by 1978-1980, everything was ALL immediate release. BUT . . . The point I was trying to make, was that we all knew that there was always "more to the story". I mean, name me any other story or book, that starts in the 4th season or in the 4th chapter, something like that. Well there you go mate, ya" can't, can ya'? Because there's nothing, just nothing else, at least nothing else that I'm aware of. So we all wondered, at least people in my cohort did, "when are they gunna bring out the bloody rest, eh? How much longer do I need to spend in the Pub, waiting for "everything else to come along." Little did we realise that, there was this whole ton of novels, novellas, Comics and illustrated novels, all coming out over the decades, and right under our noses!! Oh FFS, didn't we all feel (didn't I feel stupid everyone else knew about all this "Star Wars Stuff" bar yours truly, I'll never trust 'em again I tells ya', NEVER !!)
I believe Star Wars should’ve taken away from Disney and be how it was before Disney bought Lucas film and fox, Disney rarely puts out good Star Wars content, or be in public domain because I think fan made films and animation does it better than Disney
Whenever I heard this story is canon or this detail is canon I keep saying to myself: "Just because they say is canon doesn't always mean that it's relevant."
This video aged like wine looking at the insane retcon with Ki Adi Mundi in the Acolyte showing Dave Filoni's corrosive influence on the continuity. 3:15 anything to make ahsoka look good while disregarding continuity. The nepotism is strong with Ahsoka. The novel's depiction of the events of ahsoka and Maul's confrontation was better and more believable. But fans will eat it up. It doesn't make ahsoka more badass it makes maul incompetent. Ventress being back is just as bad removing any semblance of stakes but rebels goes to show how far Dave is willing to go to protect Ahsoka by introducing time travel not time travel with the world between worlds instead of letting her die. Retconning the location of Depa Billaba's death is just as stupid as it doesn't align with Kanan's hate for the planet Callur. Whats with his Retconning of lightsaber colours? Ahsoka's are depicted as green in the book, and so was Depa Billaba's in the last padawan comics. Rex is a f*cking liar since he didn't remove the chip Ahsoka did (further proving my point about Filoni's favoritism toward this character)
my opinion is this he needs to stop retconning things, he needs to have a spine when it comes to kk, hes a yes man when it comes to the boss who ever it is....
@@brittanyjtaylor2638 It should start by letting Ahsoka die and following the Canon of he wants to adapt the books and comics it fine but it has to be a one-to-one with more depth instead of castrating the stories. The Ahsoka novel (the maul fight didn't happen she trapped as stated but hey she has to look good), the last padawan comics and Dooku jedi lost. I just hope he doesn't touch the characters and lore from the respawn jedi games at this point. Dave can ensure that Canon is respected but he *chooses* not to.
Filoni was always a kids' cartoon writer. The fact that they made him so important just because of TCW goes to show that the fans and Disney don't know what they're doing. Of course a kids' cartoon writer has no respect for ancillary lore, and he's more than liable to make mistakes even in his own shows.
Thanks to rule number 4, I'm going to write a fanfic about how Mace Windu and Shaak Ti survive to see the New Republic rise. We didn't canonically see them die, one flew out the window, the other dropped into a Sarlacc pit or got her death cut from ROTS. I'd have them show up in the Jedi Academy days; Shaak Ti was slowly regenerating inside the Sarlacc on Felucia which she tamed, and Windu was in a slab of Carbonite after he fell, and Luke buys that slab and frees him. They live to see the New Jedi Order, and while they disapprove of Luke's reforms, they could not argue with their results. They then help Luke defeat the Imperial Remnant and help him fight against the Yuuzhan Vong. Hey, if Filoni could do it, I can do it too. The only difference is I'm going to use lore and canon to make it happen.
Whoa! What a massive video. I can definitely tell you put a lot of thought and effort into this video overall. Personally I’ve unsubscribed to some of the other Star Wars TH-camrs but you’re the exception because of your avatar Star channel and don’t upload a whole lot either so I always like watching your videos whenever they come out.
No its not dead its just under horrible management of the franchise could be better if the people under them would make better decisions with the characters and the story would be great but sadly hasnt been good but i get people who think that with how horrible treatment disney has treated the star wars universe
In my opinion, Star Wars needs to be out of Disney's hands, under control of someone who cares about Star Wars and George;s vision and Disney Star Wars made non canon, start afresh after the 6 movies .
@@supershockerJGONZALEZ from google. "George Lucas does not consider the Expanded Universe (EU) to be canon, except for his own six movies and TCW. Lucas has said that he views the EU and his own works as three separate "worlds" of Star Wars, and that he doesn't think of the EU as being part of his story." and if you don't beleive me search it up yourself.
@@A21-EDITS21 oh really then why did Disney have to decanonize legends then if it wasn't considered canon lol and ain't no you way said that trash show made by Dave filoni is canon lol
In defence of Disney, they actually saved the EU from getting obliterated. If George ended up making his sequel movies, then the entire continuity would’ve been massacred. At least now it is preserved and remains cohesive.
The Disney thing is ironically the best thing that happened to the clone wars continuities. Before, it was really tricky to talk about what happened in that period, because both The Clone Wars and Clone Wars Multimedia Project were technically canon, even if they were clearly working as the separate continuities. Since after Disney purchas, The Clone Wars stayed in canon, while CWMP was moved to Legends it's easier to treat and talk about them separately as "Canon" and "Legends" versions. Like, technically TCW is still in Legends too, but since it's Canon that means when someone talk about specifically Legends version of Clone Wars, there are huge chances they talking about CWMP
@@vladprus4019 Yeah I’ve gotta agree with that for sure. The Clone Wars continuity situation was a mess, and still is when dealing with the Legends universe. I’m pretty sure most of the EU fan base just choose to ignore TCW exists in the continuity, cause it’d just ruin so much.
The Expanded Universe has a much more consistent canon than Disney Star Wars. "Don't think, consume product and be excited for next product" - Disney far left activists
CONTROVERSIAL OPINION: Star Wars shouldn't have a strict canon. Because Star Wars is a Mythology. In fact, it never had a sense of canonicity to begin with. Every lore detail and plot point was always being shifted around ever since the very first movie. And that's okay! Canonicity is overrated. Star Wars should be a platform that enables creators to draw from its rich lore and myth, to create the experiences and tell the stories they want, without much regard for what's canon, for as long as they attempt minimal cohesion within their inner-canon, that is, the version of the facts that are necessary for that experience or story to happen. Mythology doesn't follow a Canon. In fact, sometimes, neither does history. We have multiple accountings for how different things happen and they can coexist with each other, shift and change all the time, without any issue. The only problem would be having a single account for how things might have happened. A single canon. When, instead, we should have multiple canons, all alive and being created at the same time; intervening and interacting with each-other as the creators see fit. Fans demanding Disney and LucasFilm to have a single consisting Canon capable of being everything everyone wants out of Star Wars is not only impossible and moronic, as there's no diplomatic way of giving all fans what they want without creating something artistically vague and unfulfilling, but also, ultimately, very very damaging to the franchise. What we should be demanding is for Disney to go full "Star Wars is a Mythology". Something Dave Filloni understands and has commented on, more than once. What we should be demanding is for Disney and LucasFilm to allow creators to give us multiple retellings from different point of views and different creative takes of any and all events of all sagas. Therefore we wouldn't have to worry if we dislike a piece of Star Wars media. As someone was sure to tell a different version of those same events or of that timeframe in the galaxy, in another story, comic book, videogame, book, etc. And they could all coexist. When the Expanded Universe was all we had left, we used to be able to tolerate whenever someone would write a story we didn't like and we would pick and choose our own versions of the stories to create our head-canon. Why can't we do that anymore? It's simple. It's because Disney's attempt at a shared universe betrays the essence of how Star Wars should be written. And we as fans are helping reinforce this notion that a unified shared universe is what we want, when in fact, it's not!
People love a scapegoat! And those who love Filloni the most don't quite have the same internet presence on SW Fandom conversations. Same with the Prequels and Clone Wars, now a lot of people love them, but back then the only vocal majority wasn't composed of those who grew up with them, etc.
I used to love the man, until I learned about how often he stepped on his own toes in terms of his consistency and learning that he basically had no respect for other people's works was the final nail for me
Give Dave Filoni a break. Let me explain. George Lucas retconed and recontextualized his Star Wars many, many times. He never saw EU as his Star Wars and actively was taking some ideas from EU he liked to his Star Wars. Dave Filoni does Star Wars the same way but he does way less retcons. Media outside of the screen media (live action/animated movie/shows, games) are created by other authors using story boards from Dave Filoni. The screen media are the final cut, especially live action. Dave allows himself to change his own ideas if he got something better in mind.
honestly I really don't mind that Dave Filoni holds a death grip on his characters, just like Lucas, Filoni isn't beholden to other writers nor should he be since aside from Lucas he is one of the biggest Star Wars creators and is personal friends with Lucas and studied under him so that isn't a bad thing in my opinion.
If you’d stop obsessing over Dave for a second you might realize this isn’t your story to tell lol. Your personal feelings on how Dave interprets his own characters is insignificant.
Never said it was my story. However people who's stories they actually were (aka authors and writers), have had their work trampled and completely erased by Dave. Thats pretty disrespectful
@@StarForceOne I don’t understand why you guys think stories are only worthy if they adhere to canon and fit perfectly into the Star Wars universe. The Ahsoka book is still an amazing coming-of-age story. The legends books aren’t worthless because they’re no longer apart of canon, these are great literary works that are great because they were written great. EK Johnson herself has addressed this, yet it seems like none of you are actually taking what she said into thought, just assuming how she felt. She said it’s okay for Dave to do such with HIS character because it was his outline she was writing with, and she acknowledged that not everybody has things figured out from the jump. He thought of better ways to improve his story and instead of feeling trapped by a narrative penned by an author four years before he started actually creating it, he chose to express these stories in a way that fulfilled him as the creator of these characters. Him shifting the narrative of these characters does not change the authors story or their efforts, it just changes what the fans perceive as canon.
Usually stories would have values on their own, even if not adhering to a canon. However in 2014, it was directly stated that all stories going forward would fit within a singular, unified, canon, and you'd be able to invest in the universe knowing that whatever you read would be honoured going forward. When you pay money for books and comics on this premise, and then have that thrown back in your face, it's offensive.
You do know George clashed with Dave and Dave actively ignored George? Then and now Dave just cares to push his own narrative. Insult to injury is he boasts how he was “taught” under George yet he tarnishes the guys creation
@@sir_castik If George Lucas thought Dave was tarnishing his reputation he wouldn’t sit with Dave on panels and give him advice on what he would do with the shows Dave’s creating. You can’t possibly think you knew what went on behind the scenes, all you could do is theorize on why you believe George’s protege hates him and actively wants to tarnish the brand. That doesn’t even sound realistic lol.
It's dead because it's made up fan b******* anyways.You know Luke and Leya were never intended to be brother and sister in the first movie? Lol stop complaining, shit changes
You are completely right about Luke and Leia indeed and there were inconsistencies within the OT and the PT as well. George being the creator of the Star Wars stories/movies was entitled to change things around. That said, Disney Star Wars has been introducing so many different narratives against George's established lore, which has become very confusing and convoluted.
@@revengeofthesith. So true. I am not a fan of Andor and I can tell you now, I was attacked and insulted because I didn't see what they saw in that show.
You guys don't even know what you're saying. Star Wars canon is better. Awesome much more than it was then Last time. Also, Star Wars Legends aren't in the TV shows or movies. Star Wars canon is, so guys grow up, OK?
@@YayoHernandez-b1j just cause canon has shows or movies it doesn't that it's better lol , the books that legends has are way better than those trash shows and movies
You do know George Lucas clashed with Dave and he actively ignored George? Then and now Dave just cares to push his own narrative. Insult to injury is he boasts how he was “taught” under George yet he tarnishes the guys creation with his odd warp of fanfic
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A big example is how Kanan Jarrus survived order 66. In the comics, it’s completely different to how it happened in the premiere episode of the bad batch.
This change is marginal compared to other retcons and major changes Disney has done
@@cameronhermann9400 yeah but the fact of the matter is that comic came out first when rebels was still airing and in the first episode of the bad batch, it somewhat got retconned.
@@BrennySpain Plus, it was all under Dave Filoni, I could see this mix up happening between multiple different creators but its literally only been Dave and the comic writer who more than likely based it on how Dave has Kanan describe it in Rebels plus they're supposed to have lore experts onhand
@@andrewmeyer3599 yeah very true!
We'll as Evannova95 put it years ago, "it's the fans that make the canon". He does good work.
I agree with Rule 4, nobody properly does in Star Wars anymore. And if they do it isn’t always down with respect or in a way that makes sense
Ive always picked what I liked best and ignored the rest. Most of Filoni's work gets dumped.
I separate the two, George Lucas Star Wars and Disney Star Wars. I treat George's Star Wars as the real star wars and Disney Star Wars as the what if, low quality fan fiction and non canon Star Wars.
Many of us in the EU fandom do the same... We see the canon as everything up until 2014 and TCW is just COMPNOR propaganda
@@LaraA55 same here
@@Nakeethus_HunterI mean TCW is still a good show non the less.
@@BlueTyphoon2017 It's alright, not denying that... I'm just saying it isn't this masterpiece that people claim it to be. It's servicable at best
Despite what George Lucas thought of the Expanded Universe, he gave creative freedom to authors who were willing to work in it. We want the Expanded Universe to continue with the same creative freedom. Disney's Star Wars is sterile and lifeless, as if it was created by an ai.
As long as Disney doesn't touch any of the EU, as they would destroy it
I can't believe Disney canceled the Force Unleashed series. 😢
Well to be fair it was never canon the force unleashed
I’m glad they didn’t contaminate it with their retarded new canon
Yes it was canon, just not for very long
@@TheLeatheryman well luccas said it wasnt canon
Same here brother
I think they should keep both timelines as differnt versions. One as the dinsey cannon, the other as the legends cannon
Allegedly, when the continuity was rebooted in 2014, Lucasfilm said that the pre-2014 Expanded Universe would continue to exist alongside the new content as a pair of "separate but equal timelines." Naturally, this immediately raised a lot of red flags, and in the end, the pre-2014 EU was not only neglected, but slandered.
I don't want to be toxic or an assholes because star wars has enough toxic fans but I must say this it has a really bad public relation department who blame everything bad they did on the fans and even call the ones with legitimate criticism as either sexist or racist because the characters were badly written
In my honest opinion, Disney’s choice, and most importantly Dave Filoni‘s choice to not consider the events of the old republic and the rise and fall of the eternal empire, and the ancient dark lords of the Sith Not acknowledge their existence and the contributions that they’ve made to the galaxy for over 25,000 years is garbage any would agree that the old Republic era should be the way that they should’ve taken the story instead of doing the garbage that it’s called the sequels in my opinion. The only thing in Canon that is good is the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy because those are still under George Lucas
I would now prefer Disney to keep faraway from the Old Republic as they would destroy it. Star Wars needs to be in better hands faraway from Disney
honestly, a lot of legends stuff is trash. that said, the old republic is such a huge part of legends and is a lot better controlled than most things that it could easily be used in canon. no reason not to other than people thinking they can do it better.
Corporate greed destroys any and all great franchises it touches. If a great franchise is to be continued, then the people working on them absolutely NEED to have knowledge of it and respect for the established lore.
Theory should watch this. Dave isn't the savior he thinks he is.
I unsubscribed to him ages ago as well as the stupendous wave and Star Wars explained. Also speculation but he hasn’t uploaded for ages. There’s just too much drama surrounding the franchise and it’s getting too much for me right now as well.
@@BrennySpain totally understandable. I unsubbed to Retney's Holocron as well. Too many content creators just eat this stuff up and not call out the flaws so they can stay on disneys good side.
@@TophDaGreat definitely! They really should be ashamed of themselves overall.
you mean star wars theory channel ? Of course he should watch this. Filoni can make good stories but he's a destroyer of the star wars continuity
Pretty much filoni has too much creative control
I personally stopped reading the young adult novels ages. I only read the mainline proper adult novels now. They’re more canon to me than the young adult novels could ever be.
From what I've managed to gather and I'm still not fully certain on the numbers... but most of the retcons within the EU come from TCW (Filoni) who is now doing that crap in the new Canon and it's only a matter of time before it gets scrapped as well.
So true so true. The one thing that’s kills me is what they did to Darth Bane 😢 love his three books 👌
Wow, what did they do to Darth Bane
@@LaraA55 the OG Darth Bane looked way different, to the point they aren’t the same person and OG Bane used a curved sabe not a spear or pike they gave him ect..
@@elektriclettuce7325 thank you kindly for explaining this 🤗
@StarForceOne This is an excellent, straight to the point presentation and I completely agree with you.I am sure you will have comments that state George retconned things or changed things making things inconsistent, especially in the PT so why can't Dave do this as well? Well, George did do those things BUT his stories were coherent unlike Disney Star Wars which has become so convoluted, all over the place and way far, far more inconsistent. I personally feel that Star Wars needs to be sold and kept faraway from Disney...sold to someone who understands the lore and respects George's vision. Furthermore, Disney canon needs to be decanonised. In other words, Star Wars needs to be refreshed with a clean slate after Return Of the Jedi ( George Lucas Canon ) or include both the EU and George's canon. This is truly the only way to rectify Star Wars, otherwise under Disney it is going to get worse with lower quality and things just won't change. I separate Star Wars as George Lucas Star Wars which is canon and the real star wars for me and Disney Star Wars to me is a what if, non canon and lower quality fan fiction. Also, I now don't see young children dressing up as Star Wars characters , which I used to see a lot of 10 years or more ago. Young people don't know much about Star wars or don't have any interest in it.
In the Documentary, will you include anything about comics and other materials trying to explain or add details the sequels as they got out just being ignored or contradicted? Or maybe something about tie in novels disagreeing with what the directors say?
Absolutely!
Looking back at how dave filoni introduced ahsoka in the CW movie, it was kind of weird that she was 13 years old and only wearing what equated to a bathing suit top.
iirc the outfit was George's idea and after a while filoni gave her a more normal outfit?
It's hard to fathom why nu-SW fans eat up Disney's slop like they're starving. Even if they're just casual viewers, it's not at all hard to compare the quality of writing, worldbuilding, storytelling, etc. to that of both old canon and the EU. It's like they're allergic to anything actually good, even if it means it's a benefit to their time. One read of the Thrawn trilogy or the main books of the New Jedi Order series is enough to blow the wolf fetishist's garbage cartoons out of the water.
As someone who adores both Legensa and Canon equally, I'd have to say that you are ignorant and don't realize most fans. To insult an entire fan base. NJO Star Wars books, while now adored were not known to exist by most people. Everyone I spoke to who adored the films never heard of the books. Furthermore, Lucas himself made Star Wars a sandbox. He allowed most the content, but wouldn't hesitate to retcon anything he wanted to. As he did with the Clone Wars Multimedia Project. As he did with making Mandalorians Peaceful. As he was going to do with his own sequals, that would've retconned all of Post RoTJ EU material.
Dave Filoni and Disney Are Hypocrites At this point we all should make our own Canon
If I have a powerfully position in Lucasfilm one of my first acts is giving The Lucasfilm Story Group unchecked power or full power in general instead of them being more of advisory group.
With that in mind One of my next moves is created the position of Lore Master as in someone who would be serving as a Lore Consultant for future Star Wars films and shows and makes some aspects from the books are aligned what happened in the shows and movies?
Another position that I would create is call Continuity Editor where they serve as well editors for books and comics they make sure and check on the page for each book or medium to for errors whether it is related to continuity or typos in general?
What do you all think of my plan to give Canon more tight and restrictive continuity that was promised more then a decade ago?
I would fire the current story group and rehire people who know the lore. As for everything you stated, I really like the idea a lot.
@@LaraA55 Thanks!
agreed! first we need a zahn written thrawn and chiss movie!
Star Wars *IS* Star Wars
Even bad Star Wars is still Star Wars.
You're definitely right. However, I still have hope that Disney will pull a Palpatine and just come back without any explanation.
And thanks mister Filoni..
Star Wars Fan fiction is better than the current canon.
Very true
Death doesn't mean you die? Death is part of life.
Dave Failoni
Rian "The Roundhead" Johnsson
Jar-Jar Abrahms
The day Disney bought Star Wars , Lucasfilm stopped caring about Star Wars and its fanbase
The Lucasfilm story group has said that continuity doesn't matter to them
They do not care about Star Wars and its lore - So then why should we?
They continue to insult its fanbase, which is why I ( like so many others) no longer care about this franchise and have left it
Star Wars will forever be everything before 2012
*When the story group doesn't do their job*
Are you gonna do videos on the acolyte?
Whats acolyte xD
@@BonusCrook it’s a brand new Star Wars series
@@TheNintendoPeep whoosh
It's not dead
Rule 1 should be the books are cannon and any time Dave changes something in show it’s not. It feels like Dave is trying to incorporate a multiverse with his changes. And yes I know after the mcu multiverse is a dirty word but that’s just how it seems anymore they try and try to make it work
i need that star wars continuity guide 🙏
Canon is such a mess
sure is
I was 16yrs old in 1978 when the first movie came out over here in Australia. ( nothing new about getting a Blockbuster movie over 12 months after the overseas release in the 1970s over here. DON'T ask me why, but it was the same for books, and only marginally better with record releases. Like only 3-6 months for records, but immediately released on the radio and by 1978-1980, everything was ALL immediate release. BUT . . .
The point I was trying to make, was that we all knew that there was always "more to the story". I mean, name me any other story or book, that starts in the 4th season or in the 4th chapter, something like that. Well there you go mate, ya" can't, can ya'? Because there's nothing, just nothing else, at least nothing else that I'm aware of.
So we all wondered, at least people in my cohort did, "when are they gunna bring out the bloody rest, eh? How much longer do I need to spend in the Pub, waiting for "everything else to come along." Little did we realise that, there was this whole ton of novels, novellas, Comics and illustrated novels, all coming out over the decades, and right under our noses!! Oh FFS, didn't we all feel (didn't I feel stupid everyone else knew about all this "Star Wars Stuff" bar yours truly, I'll never trust 'em again I tells ya', NEVER !!)
How?
Me, and Sean were fans of Star Wars since we were 1 years old back in 1999 before we turned 2.
I believe Star Wars should’ve taken away from Disney and be how it was before Disney bought Lucas film and fox, Disney rarely puts out good Star Wars content, or be in public domain because I think fan made films and animation does it better than Disney
I completely agree
I think I just found my new Star Wars channel
ayo mans breaking the silence with a BOMBA
Disney new EU books, comics, and games are no longer canon. It was completely stupid idea.
Whenever I heard this story is canon or this detail is canon I keep saying to myself: "Just because they say is canon doesn't always mean that it's relevant."
This video aged like wine looking at the insane retcon with Ki Adi Mundi in the Acolyte showing Dave Filoni's corrosive influence on the continuity.
3:15 anything to make ahsoka look good while disregarding continuity. The nepotism is strong with Ahsoka. The novel's depiction of the events of ahsoka and Maul's confrontation was better and more believable. But fans will eat it up. It doesn't make ahsoka more badass it makes maul incompetent.
Ventress being back is just as bad removing any semblance of stakes but rebels goes to show how far Dave is willing to go to protect Ahsoka by introducing time travel not time travel with the world between worlds instead of letting her die.
Retconning the location of Depa Billaba's death is just as stupid as it doesn't align with Kanan's hate for the planet Callur.
Whats with his Retconning of lightsaber colours?
Ahsoka's are depicted as green in the book, and so was Depa Billaba's in the last padawan comics.
Rex is a f*cking liar since he didn't remove the chip Ahsoka did (further proving my point about Filoni's favoritism toward this character)
my opinion is this he needs to stop retconning things, he needs to have a spine when it comes to kk, hes a yes man when it comes to the boss who ever it is....
@@brittanyjtaylor2638 It should start by letting Ahsoka die and following the Canon of he wants to adapt the books and comics it fine but it has to be a one-to-one with more depth instead of castrating the stories.
The Ahsoka novel (the maul fight didn't happen she trapped as stated but hey she has to look good), the last padawan comics and Dooku jedi lost.
I just hope he doesn't touch the characters and lore from the respawn jedi games at this point.
Dave can ensure that Canon is respected but he *chooses* not to.
Filoni was always a kids' cartoon writer. The fact that they made him so important just because of TCW goes to show that the fans and Disney don't know what they're doing. Of course a kids' cartoon writer has no respect for ancillary lore, and he's more than liable to make mistakes even in his own shows.
We are so long overdue for a new Star Wars movie. I have spoken
This is the way
Thanks to rule number 4, I'm going to write a fanfic about how Mace Windu and Shaak Ti survive to see the New Republic rise. We didn't canonically see them die, one flew out the window, the other dropped into a Sarlacc pit or got her death cut from ROTS. I'd have them show up in the Jedi Academy days; Shaak Ti was slowly regenerating inside the Sarlacc on Felucia which she tamed, and Windu was in a slab of Carbonite after he fell, and Luke buys that slab and frees him. They live to see the New Jedi Order, and while they disapprove of Luke's reforms, they could not argue with their results. They then help Luke defeat the Imperial Remnant and help him fight against the Yuuzhan Vong.
Hey, if Filoni could do it, I can do it too. The only difference is I'm going to use lore and canon to make it happen.
Whoa! What a massive video. I can definitely tell you put a lot of thought and effort into this video overall. Personally I’ve unsubscribed to some of the other Star Wars TH-camrs but you’re the exception because of your avatar Star channel and don’t upload a whole lot either so I always like watching your videos whenever they come out.
Much appreciated :)
@@StarForceOne you truly deserve every last subscriber I think!
If Star Wars creators cared about canon, Vader's first name would still be "Darth". 🤣
Retconning has been a staple of Star Wars ever since The Empire Strikes Back.
You are right. George did retcon aspects of his story as well
After Star Wars we all shouted "Darth Vader lives!"
After The Empire Strikes Back we were shouting "Darth Vader lies!!"
@@lorensims4846 What do you mean ?
@@Toto-TK88 We were arguing that Darth Vader was lying about being his father.
No its not dead its just under horrible management of the franchise could be better if the people under them would make better decisions with the characters and the story would be great but sadly hasnt been good but i get people who think that with how horrible treatment disney has treated the star wars universe
In my opinion, Star Wars needs to be out of Disney's hands, under control of someone who cares about Star Wars and George;s vision and Disney Star Wars made non canon, start afresh after the 6 movies .
@@LaraA55yeah true but sadly hasnt happened and most likely will keep getting bad Star Wars stuff as long as these people in disney are in charge
@@davidordaz5251 Indeed
Thanks Mr. Filoni!
Thank Mr. Filoni
Even a blind man knows that Star Wars is dead.
You can tell lucas instantly regretted it
@@BonusCrookhe ran off with 4 billion I wouldn’t regret getting that much
@@Ayahuasca98 he called disney white slavers and clearly was upset
It died the moment Disney retconned the original EU.
Lucas didn't consider the EU as canon
@@A21-EDITS21 Bro yes he did lol
@@supershockerJGONZALEZ from google. "George Lucas does not consider the Expanded Universe (EU) to be canon, except for his own six movies and TCW. Lucas has said that he views the EU and his own works as three separate "worlds" of Star Wars, and that he doesn't think of the EU as being part of his story."
and if you don't beleive me search it up yourself.
@@A21-EDITS21 oh really then why did Disney have to decanonize legends then if it wasn't considered canon lol and ain't no you way said that trash show made by Dave filoni is canon lol
@@supershockerJGONZALEZ what show?
Kathline Kennedy? Who's this katheline?
In defence of Disney, they actually saved the EU from getting obliterated. If George ended up making his sequel movies, then the entire continuity would’ve been massacred. At least now it is preserved and remains cohesive.
The Disney thing is ironically the best thing that happened to the clone wars continuities. Before, it was really tricky to talk about what happened in that period, because both The Clone Wars and Clone Wars Multimedia Project were technically canon, even if they were clearly working as the separate continuities. Since after Disney purchas, The Clone Wars stayed in canon, while CWMP was moved to Legends it's easier to treat and talk about them separately as "Canon" and "Legends" versions. Like, technically TCW is still in Legends too, but since it's Canon that means when someone talk about specifically Legends version of Clone Wars, there are huge chances they talking about CWMP
@@vladprus4019 Yeah I’ve gotta agree with that for sure. The Clone Wars continuity situation was a mess, and still is when dealing with the Legends universe. I’m pretty sure most of the EU fan base just choose to ignore TCW exists in the continuity, cause it’d just ruin so much.
The Expanded Universe has a much more consistent canon than Disney Star Wars.
"Don't think, consume product and be excited for next product"
- Disney far left activists
It is neither right or left, it's greed masquerading ideology.
I like canon
CONTROVERSIAL OPINION:
Star Wars shouldn't have a strict canon. Because Star Wars is a Mythology.
In fact, it never had a sense of canonicity to begin with. Every lore detail and plot point was always being shifted around ever since the very first movie.
And that's okay!
Canonicity is overrated. Star Wars should be a platform that enables creators to draw from its rich lore and myth, to create the experiences and tell the stories they want, without much regard for what's canon, for as long as they attempt minimal cohesion within their inner-canon, that is, the version of the facts that are necessary for that experience or story to happen.
Mythology doesn't follow a Canon. In fact, sometimes, neither does history. We have multiple accountings for how different things happen and they can coexist with each other, shift and change all the time, without any issue.
The only problem would be having a single account for how things might have happened. A single canon. When, instead, we should have multiple canons, all alive and being created at the same time; intervening and interacting with each-other as the creators see fit.
Fans demanding Disney and LucasFilm to have a single consisting Canon capable of being everything everyone wants out of Star Wars is not only impossible and moronic, as there's no diplomatic way of giving all fans what they want without creating something artistically vague and unfulfilling, but also, ultimately, very very damaging to the franchise.
What we should be demanding is for Disney to go full "Star Wars is a Mythology". Something Dave Filloni understands and has commented on, more than once.
What we should be demanding is for Disney and LucasFilm to allow creators to give us multiple retellings from different point of views and different creative takes of any and all events of all sagas.
Therefore we wouldn't have to worry if we dislike a piece of Star Wars media. As someone was sure to tell a different version of those same events or of that timeframe in the galaxy, in another story, comic book, videogame, book, etc. And they could all coexist.
When the Expanded Universe was all we had left, we used to be able to tolerate whenever someone would write a story we didn't like and we would pick and choose our own versions of the stories to create our head-canon.
Why can't we do that anymore? It's simple. It's because Disney's attempt at a shared universe betrays the essence of how Star Wars should be written. And we as fans are helping reinforce this notion that a unified shared universe is what we want, when in fact, it's not!
At least someone notice that and make a video about it ! Thanks !
I don’t get filoni hate I think most things he has done have been pretty good
People love a scapegoat! And those who love Filloni the most don't quite have the same internet presence on SW Fandom conversations. Same with the Prequels and Clone Wars, now a lot of people love them, but back then the only vocal majority wasn't composed of those who grew up with them, etc.
I used to love the man, until I learned about how often he stepped on his own toes in terms of his consistency and learning that he basically had no respect for other people's works was the final nail for me
Canon sucks! Legends is way better!
Soundl like you never read any books or comics. Also, did you watch andor, rogue one or play jedi fallen oder or survior
I love both equally. Sucks for you that you can't understand the simple message of Star Wars and fall to the dark side by hating something
Give Dave Filoni a break. Let me explain.
George Lucas retconed and recontextualized his Star Wars many, many times. He never saw EU as his Star Wars and actively was taking some ideas from EU he liked to his Star Wars.
Dave Filoni does Star Wars the same way but he does way less retcons. Media outside of the screen media (live action/animated movie/shows, games) are created by other authors using story boards from Dave Filoni. The screen media are the final cut, especially live action. Dave allows himself to change his own ideas if he got something better in mind.
George still allowed the existence and continuation of the EU, not actively despise it while also copying it like Disney. Massive difference
honestly I really don't mind that Dave Filoni holds a death grip on his characters, just like Lucas, Filoni isn't beholden to other writers nor should he be since aside from Lucas he is one of the biggest Star Wars creators and is personal friends with Lucas and studied under him so that isn't a bad thing in my opinion.
We. The True STAR WARS Fans, we reject dIsNeY "canon"!!!
If you’d stop obsessing over Dave for a second you might realize this isn’t your story to tell lol. Your personal feelings on how Dave interprets his own characters is insignificant.
Never said it was my story. However people who's stories they actually were (aka authors and writers), have had their work trampled and completely erased by Dave. Thats pretty disrespectful
@@StarForceOne I don’t understand why you guys think stories are only worthy if they adhere to canon and fit perfectly into the Star Wars universe. The Ahsoka book is still an amazing coming-of-age story. The legends books aren’t worthless because they’re no longer apart of canon, these are great literary works that are great because they were written great.
EK Johnson herself has addressed this, yet it seems like none of you are actually taking what she said into thought, just assuming how she felt. She said it’s okay for Dave to do such with HIS character because it was his outline she was writing with, and she acknowledged that not everybody has things figured out from the jump. He thought of better ways to improve his story and instead of feeling trapped by a narrative penned by an author four years before he started actually creating it, he chose to express these stories in a way that fulfilled him as the creator of these characters.
Him shifting the narrative of these characters does not change the authors story or their efforts, it just changes what the fans perceive as canon.
Usually stories would have values on their own, even if not adhering to a canon. However in 2014, it was directly stated that all stories going forward would fit within a singular, unified, canon, and you'd be able to invest in the universe knowing that whatever you read would be honoured going forward. When you pay money for books and comics on this premise, and then have that thrown back in your face, it's offensive.
You do know George clashed with Dave and Dave actively ignored George? Then and now Dave just cares to push his own narrative. Insult to injury is he boasts how he was “taught” under George yet he tarnishes the guys creation
@@sir_castik If George Lucas thought Dave was tarnishing his reputation he wouldn’t sit with Dave on panels and give him advice on what he would do with the shows Dave’s creating. You can’t possibly think you knew what went on behind the scenes, all you could do is theorize on why you believe George’s protege hates him and actively wants to tarnish the brand. That doesn’t even sound realistic lol.
It's dead because it's made up fan b******* anyways.You know Luke and Leya were never intended to be brother and sister in the first movie? Lol stop complaining, shit changes
You are completely right about Luke and Leia indeed and there were inconsistencies within the OT and the PT as well. George being the creator of the Star Wars stories/movies was entitled to change things around. That said, Disney Star Wars has been introducing so many different narratives against George's established lore, which has become very confusing and convoluted.
It's always the disney shills being so weirdly aggressive and angry when hearing other peoples opinion lol
@@revengeofthesith. So true. I am not a fan of Andor and I can tell you now, I was attacked and insulted because I didn't see what they saw in that show.
You guys don't even know what you're saying. Star Wars canon is better. Awesome much more than it was then Last time. Also, Star Wars Legends aren't in the TV shows or movies. Star Wars canon is, so guys grow up, OK?
Did you even watch the video? We made no comment on the quality of the overall content, just that it is not at all consistent with itself.
Yea no you're wrong canon is trash and legends is way better. I bet you're a Disney shill that knows nothing about legends lol
@@supershockerJGONZALEZ but there are no tv shows or movies end of story ok so shut up
@@YayoHernandez-b1j just cause canon has shows or movies it doesn't that it's better lol , the books that legends has are way better than those trash shows and movies
@@supershockerJGONZALEZ my opion ok bro so stop
And who knows, Maybe the Force Unleashed game will become cannon in the future. Just be patient, OK? may the force be with you guys
They considered starkiller for rebels but it didn't pan out but the helicopter saber is a canceled concept from those games.
@@baki484 ok so any new plans or him or not
Filoni is best person to handle star wars
You do know George Lucas clashed with Dave and he actively ignored George? Then and now Dave just cares to push his own narrative. Insult to injury is he boasts how he was “taught” under George yet he tarnishes the guys creation with his odd warp of fanfic