@@PurpleDolphinStudios I always think that was a desperate attempt to recreate the moment when Steve Jobs pulled a MacBook Air from an envelope. The difference being that when jobs did it, it looked cool as it had never been done before, so it really emphasised how slim the MBA was. When the Ouya CEO did it, she looked like she was trying to sell the OUYA to kids so they could pull it out of their lunch boxes or bags. She look desperate. It's a shame really, because the OUYA could have been a decent Android game console.
FFS not you too, Larry! Why are so many TH-camrs accepting sponsorships from Established Titles?! It's a SCAM! First of all, that custom does NOT exist. Otherwise, every homeowner in Scotland would be a laird/lord and they aren't. Secondly, they aren't actually selling you any land whatsoever. None of their "sales" go through the proper channels. This is because it's literally IMPOSSIBLE for them to actually sell you the land. Selling or buying "souvenir plots" (land which is of inconsiderable size or utility) is 100% ILLEGAL here in Scotland! The ONLY thing they are selling is a scrap of paper with a fictional fantasy printed on it. They are con artists, pure and simple.
Just a heads up for established titles, you must go through a formal written title in the UK in order to become a lord or lady, and you must own at least 1-2 acres of land to be known as one. So you can’t just own land to be considered, you must file a letter of request for Britain nobility for the title. Planting a tree doesn’t actually give you this title. Also, the US and most countries outside of Europe and even a few countries in Europe does NOT recognize these titles, you cannot put them as a title for your name. They are simply just a piece of paper stating you planted a tree, nothing more, nothing less.
And you don't even really own that plot of land, it's just "dedicated to you". If you want to support reforestation donate to any reforestation ong and at least you know a bigger part of your money will go to the cause instead of the Company/ads/novelty gifts
Ah, the legendary moment where Don Mattrick put his foot in his mouth and outright said "it's not just a flip of a switch to disable the always online" and then flipped said switch anyways. Phil Spencer is JUST reaping the YEARS of goodwill he tried to fix after Don Mattrick's screw up.
I'm surprised you didn't include the OUYA's Julie Uhrman saying that "There's NOTHING special about this board" when asked about the OUYA. Among MANY other stupid things. You could've had another list of 5 in this list of 5 to go with Atari's list of 5, lol.
The most recent comments are just painful to read. This video came out before any of the controversy surrounding the sponsor became so globally known. Demanding some sort of statement from Larry also isn't gonna do anything, and I doubt he'd even be legally allowed to make one.
I know y'all are fucking stupid but someone taking on a sponsorship has a responsibility to make sure they aren't supporting a scam. Checking scottish titles law would have shown quite clearly that his sponsor was scamming. Inbred simps.
It's no different than Sony pushing the original PlayStation as a pure gamesmachine and mocking the multimedia approach of it's rivals, before pushing the PlayStation 2 and 3 as multimedia machines.
@@BottomOfTheDumpsterFire kind of ironic considering the pal version of the ps2 gimped its own resolution to avoid being copies made of their dvds, I guess making it one of the worst dvd players
You forgot the best bit with the Xbox One where they admitted the Kennect would randomly take pictures and send it back to Microsoft without any warning
Sega in the Saturn era was just stupid, but one could argue a lot of the issues they had around that time were because of Japan's obsession with beating Nintendo in the market in any capacity. Had they considered the long-term ramifications (and how translating the success in Japan directly to America could work instead of adapting to what they THOUGHT America wanted...seriously, the Saturn could have made a killing in the US had they not kept the majority of the RPGs in Japan because, ironically, the RPG market in the US was starting to boom at the time what with FF6, Chrono Trigger, Phantasy Star 4, and Earthbound either released or on the horizon), they could have mitigated all this AND still been a force in the console wars for longer than they were.
Sony's response to the XBone's announcment was just killer. A 22 second video entiled 'how to share games on ps4' where one guy hands off a game to another. Say what you want about Sony at least when you fuck up they will bring the burn.
You shouldn't advertise for Established Title or any of the other scam companies promising titles. The Land Registration etc. (Scotland) Act 2012, Section 22(1)(b), specifically prohibits the sale of “souvenir plots” of land. Although anyone can call themselves a Lord or Lady, these companies cant bestow legal recognition, privileges, and protections associated with those titles. It's like Dr. Phil not being an actual doctor in any use of the word but he can still call himself such. Protect your brand.
Even if that part's a scam, do they at least do the tree maintenance part that those types of things usually claim? Never really taken Titles seriously anyway, and most people buying in are going to be into it for the novelty of it and never be impacted by it being fake, but if the plots are still being preserved, there's worse ways of people being taken advantage of.
I kept waiting for the punchline in the Microsoft segment. It never came. MS telling people not to buy a console, and releasing the Xbox ten years later is hardly ironic. It's one thing if they did this while the Xbox was on the market, but changing their strategy after a decade is hardly shocking.
The real rub was them saying PC gaming was cheaper. But yeah, I remember giving them crap over saying 'don't buy a console', but in reality, they just changed their minds. It happens. Hopefully for the better.
So i just went on Wikipedia about Jack Trameil. Booooooy, do we have an interesting story. According to the wiki, he was originally a Holocaust survivor. And when asked about his time in Auschwitz, he said "The Germans didnt kill Jews, the rules did." Interesting take to say the least. But, whats really interesting, is when he started his computer company he actually took out a 25k loan from Germany. They asked "Why should we give you any money?" To which Jack said to them "Im a holocaust survivor. And that it would be great business marketing." Wow...
In Tramiel's defense, what he actually said was that the PlayStation was "little, little more bit powerful in some areas - but not in others. It's a little bit more stronger than the Jaguar. A little, little bit". It was still an idiotic statement, though Editing my post to clarify: further in the article, he said that "the PlayStation is a little bit more - not more technology, but PlayStation does have more memory than the Jaguar, it's using more silicon as a solution". And in Stolar's defense, he didn't kill the Saturn. Saturn was already dead the moment Steve Race got on the stage saying "299". Not to mention that not only Saturn was a very difficult console to program for, even Yu Suzuki admitted that, it was never profitable for Sega since that machine was so complex that coming up with a cost-effective hardware revision was near impossible. Not to mention that Saturn's big name games just weren't selling, because everyone was too busy playing PlayStation, me included. So the best thing Stolar did was discontinuing the Saturn because that console was killing Sega.
not to mention the big idea to never tell anyone; not even game devs about the console was a ... weird play. imagine someone just being "well there's your problem" and SEGA today'd be like the top leader. you can never really tell what would have been, but man. I really wish SEGA didn't go out like a fart. (console wars anyway)
I thought for sure ouya would be on the list. I remember the lady saying the biggest selling point was "there is nothing special at all about the ouya"
The age-old story goes that Sega of Japan HATED that the majority of their success came from North America, which, ironically enough, Sega was FOUNDED by an American living in Japan.
@@Loader2K1 and the funny thing; is that what kept SEGA on the map for a long time in the US was the AD manager; after he retired? the fates were sealed.
"buy an xbox360" It's just one of those things you had to see to believe, one of those things that you might joke about happening but is so stupid you would never believe someone in his position would actually say it, right up until the moment he did. The entire xbox one presentation was a clown show, and he still managed to top everything with that one comment.
Established Titles company info: Registrant: Galton Voysey Unit C, 27th Floor Grandion Plaza 932 Cheung Sha Wan Road Lai Chi Kok Hong Kong You don't actually own any land, and arent a Lord or Lady as there is a legitimate process for that in the UK and this isn't it lol. There is also no proof that any tree was ever planted in your name. Apparently they reuse same plot numbers and sell it to multiple people
In this day and age the concept of loyalty to a specific console is pointless. The closer they become to being pcs, the less it matters. The only thing that bothers me is that no Saturn games have been redone or emulated for the new age… no shining force, no panzer dragoon saga, no burning rangers, dragon force and a slew of other exceptional titles from working design, climax/Camelot.. the arcade perfection we got for capcom fighters with the Saturn couldn’t be denied.
@@SP_Sour Yes and the trillion dollars isn't hyperbole or any kind of exaggeration. It's so bad that their worth was $286B last Monday and I was checking it each day just to see how bad the dumpster fire was. They were losing roughly $10B a day. Up until Sunday were they rose a little and now sit at about $255B. Just 1/1.5 years ago they were well over a trillion dollars. In the span of less than 2 years they've lost over a trillion dollars yet Mark Zuckerburg is still obsessed with it for some reason.
I think he hated 2D games,JRPGS and Japanese games you know everything the Saturn was Made for. Then took that atitude to sony who did the exact same thing in US region until mid PS3 era.
I'd like to think he understood the screw up he did, because he was also integral for the Dreamcast's US launch. The marketing, the slogan, the hype machine, the "9.9.99" date. Hell, he fought against Sega of Japan to make the Dreamcast $199 instead of $250, and HE WON that battle (tho I believe that cost him his job). He did some big mistakes, but he also did good.
@@ChiruKobra The controller was meant to be a Saturn one with a VMU slot added. He also insisted it had to be wholly unique, further trying to strongarm even the parts of the Saturn the market enjoyed…
A good more recent example of an idiotic quote was when the founder of the OUYA project was exclaiming: "There is NOTHING special about this board, NOTHING, nothing right!" Now so much was wrong with that device that it would have failed regardless of the quote, but Julie did not help the OUYA one bit.
I think the Jaguar could've had a chance at succeeding if the average Jaguar game had actually looked better than SNES or Genesis. Those Jaguar ads in gaming magazines were baffling to me as a kid - Atari were focusing so hard on marketing the thing as the most advanced gaming console, but then the actual screenshots they chose mostly looked like below-average Genesis games with hideous color palettes. I think Atari made a mistake by allowing developers to lean on the 16-bit processor instead of learning the system's complicated architecture.
I know the Ouya was f*caked from the start but, didn’t that woman hold up her console to the press and say something along the lines of “there is absolutely nothing special with this. Look at it!” Sheesh
It should also be mentioned that the presentation of the XBOX One solely focused on the american market with them telling us that you can watch the NFL on it, something that wasn´t interesting to us europeans back then (and i would argue even now despite the NFL getting more popular). They basically marketed their console for the american mainstream while american gamers wondered where the games were and the rest of the world wtf we should do with these unappealing functions.
Crazy how Xbox ran away with the 360 that generation just to immediately shoot themselves in the foot with just the reveal of the Xbox One! You lost everyone before the product even launched. $100 more expensive than PS4 and the forced kinect and the threat of having to always be online. People made up their minds before the generation even began.
Microsoft was trying to push DirectX as the future of PC gaming, and -- DirectX was an enormous success! It gave us lots of games that were just unmatched on console, like StarCraft and Unreal. In fact the X in Xbox stands for DirectX, and Microsoft basically just shoved an x86 PC with a cut down Windows with DirectX into a box and called it a console. And it was, again, a success. It didn't move PS2 numbers but it was the only sixth gen console with vertex and fragment shaders and the only sixth gen console that could play Doom 3.
Not quite as at the time it had a more advanced GPU than what was available on PC especially when it came to shaders. i doubt that can ever happen again with how far in front PC graphics tech is today. it didn't take long for PC graphics cards to surpass the Nvidia one in the original Xbox though. i used to love the name 'Nvidia Geforce' :)
Microsoft: it's an all in one entertainment centre Me: what about games? Microsoft: it's an all in one entertainment centre that requires online and Kinect Me: I don't want Kinect Microsoft: it's an all in one entertainment centre that's watching you and cannot be turned off
Larry didn't set out to scam anyone, folks. A whole lot of people thought this was legitimate just a little while ago. Relax. We all know now, we don't need a hundred people piling in to say the same thing. Thanks, but not necessary.
Fuck this mindset. ANY TIME you get a sponsorship, it's on the person being sponsored to do some checking to be sure the fucking thing is valid. Y'all fuckers are stupid as a sack of bricks if you're willing to give larry a break because he wanted $$$ over spending a few minutes making sure that getting such titles was valid. God damned simps.
@@alphamaccao5224 What research could he have done? The reason you, and most other people know it is a scam is because of a scandal that the founders were unable to keep under wraps. He could have spent hours researching it and even interviewed the people running the whole scam and still not have found anything fishy about it.
I remember that silly interview with Sam Tramiel from back when that issue was published. "Hardware dumping," indeed. I never really understood their marketing angle for the Jaguar... sometimes it was "we're the first 64-bit game console!" and sometimes it was "buy American or you're a traitor." Yes, patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel.
I remember reading that article when it came out. I had a Jaguar and it wasn't looking good for me being able to afford a new system. But even wishing what he said was true, I knew the ship had already sank and he was just trying to get a few more out the door before they closed up shop. But unlike the infamous Sega line, I don't think this Tramiel interview did any real damage, the gig was already up.
It was also Atari's marketing that saw them decide 2D was dead and the Jaguar should try and compete with the PlayStation and Saturn in the realm of texture mapped 3D,killing promising titles like Deathwatch on the Jaguar.
"..fortunately, we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360." the oof, the veiled contempt, the quote that sunk
Bernie Stolar shouldn’t have given up with the Saturn, this only scared off other developers and retailers! The Xbone launch was a disaster, so glad they dropped the DRM after the backlash!
I worked in a game shop mid 90s and another thing that Sega did to screw up the Saturn was that they had 'done their research' and the vast majority of people had TVs with SCART in their houses, but that tended to be the main telly in the lounge, and at this time gaming was still mostly done in a young person's bedroom on a 14" portable TV many of which didn't have SCART sockets, the lead included with the Saturn would use. So Sega sold the RF leads separately, I think they were about £25, on top of the console being £399 at launch, nobody was going to pay £425 + games when the Playstation was £299, and had more games already.
I think it helped (in the UK at least) that Sony had an exclusive deal with Blockbuster to rent out Playstations. Blockbuster were huge at the time, and I know a lot of customers who rented a Playstation, with a couple of games, loved it and went to buy one.
They hired Kalinski for the knowledge of the American market. When it was arguably more successful than the Japanese branch, they tightened the reigns and killed their own brand.
Remember: Publicly traded (regardless if the ownership is private) corporations are beholden to shareholders. Even if the people running them weren't all a bunch of malignant narcissists (because they are, they're usually hand-picked by equally soulless shareholders while founding CEOs with actual souls are often driven or kicked out), they literally _can't_ admit to their shortcomings in public or they'll lose funding.
@@polocatfan What the f*ck part of "Even if the people running them weren't all a bunch of malignant narcissists (because they are, they're usually hand-picked by equally soulless shareholders while founding CEOs with actual souls are often driven or kicked out)" did you NOT comprehend?
You neglected to mention Sony exec Jim Ryan and his foot-in-ass quote "Why would anybody play this?" when seeing huge groups of players at a competition playing PS3 games. Jim was proven especially wrong when Sony tried to shut down the PS3 servers and store, only to be met with tens of thousands of people saying "I still play this" and the PS5 still cannot run PS3/2/1 games. You don't even need to do anything for it to run PS1 games, that is just pure customer animosity.
As a fellow turtle, my advice to you is to get a fat ps2. I have never tried a ps1 game that wouldn't work in it. Tbh never cared at all about ps3/4/5 but if you want retro just get a thicc ps2
Larry just called Geoff Keighley a “game journalist”. Like, I hate how many Tencent games we see at The Game Awards too, but I respect Geoff A LITTLE more than that…
Established Titles is a bit of a scam btw! It's a souvaner plot. It's like adopting an animal, you get a nice bit of paper but that's about it. It's not a genuine lordship, it's just a novelty gift.
Love the video but as far as I've ever heard Established Titles is more of a scam then anything, although it's commendable that Larry did use the service prior to accepting a sponsorship, I'd say it's way too close to the old Name A Star thing for my liking
The XBox One quote wasn't the only quote that killed that console! The nail in the coffin was when the Playstation rep came out, picked up the microphone, saying, "299 dollars, 99 cents," and put down the microphone and walking off stage to a standing ovation.
I also remember the ad they made in response to the backlash that people can't share xbox one games or buy second hand copies. It was just one guy handing his ps4 copy to his mate. And that was it. Sonys staff really cashed in on microsofts controversy back then.
Just wanted to let you know that the Established titles thing is a complete scam. To readers of this comment; Established titles says they'll donate money to a tree planting charity but have yet to provide evedence of doing so. Also, Scottish law does not dictate that if you own a plot of land you are a lerd/lord nor a lady. You are better of donating your money directly to onetreeplanted
People on the early 2010 using hashtags as some kind of punchline for their terrible replies has always made me laugh even back then, all those grown ups talking like if they were so "hip and cool", cringe even before the expression was abused.
Honestly I want to make a poster out of that shot of Bill Gates wearing a trenchcoat with his sweater-vest and kakis showing while holding a shotgun, and that nerdy ass haircut hahaha
XBox One was such a clusterfuck - always on, Kinect whether you want it or not, gesture controls whether you want it or not, DRM'd discs that couldn't be traded. Microsoft had to backtrack on all of that but they still got reamed by Sony.
Microsoft clearly had the idea that they wanted to induce game developers to create tons of games from the Kinect by ensuring that every single Xbox One owner had one, and thus was a potential customer for such games. The problem with the original Kinect was that only a small fraction of Xbox 360 owners had one, and thus developing a game for it was developing a game for a much smaller market than just outright developing a normal game for the Xbox 360. This wasn't very tempting for game development companies. After all, why put resources to create a game for a peripheral with a relatively small market size when the exact same resources could be put into a game for market 10 times larger (or even more)? Thus, I'm sure that Microsoft's idea was that since every single Xbox One owner was guaranteed to have Kinect 2, that would induce more developers to write games for it, because there was no difference in the size of either customerbase (as they were the one and same). How wrong they were. The number of Kinect games for the Xbox One is abysmal (even before Microsoft made the peripheral optional and started selling consoles without one bundled.) Even with the incentive of every Xbox One owner having the device, game developer companies weren't interested.
I think Stolar just said that because he was extremely excited to bring out the Dreamcast but at that time since the public was unaware of that fact, they most likely took it as a statement that meant they were going to stop supporting all consoles indefinitely?
I think Bernie's comments with the Saturn, while damning, can also be excused. Becuase Sega of Japan and Sega of America were closer to rivals then branches of the same company. SoA had a completely different next gen console they were working on that DID use the Arcade technology that they were developing at the same time as SoJ was making the Saturn. So his "Saturn is not our future" likely was refering to his plans to try and get his system released. SoJ killed that project VERY hard, becuase SoJ during that era really didn't give a shit about anything not Japanese made.
The Japanese side was always jealous of how popular their American brethren were honestly. They were killing it in sales and were minor celebrities in the gaming sphere are the time. They should have been business partners and celebrated each other’s success but they just tore each other down and Sega still hasn’t truly recovered. A shame, as they are a great company otherwise
I remember there were people saying "stop blaming Bernie Stolar for what happened with the Saturn! Sega was to blame!" Yeah, Sega made mistakes with the Saturn and they realized that and wanted to fix it. However, Bernie just made things worse for them by saying that stupid shit. His policy against RPG's that he also used in his time with Sony along with other unpopular policies wasn't helping either.
but... i don't quite get it. At that time the console was 2 years old and the Dreamcast came out in 1999. By that point there sure were some rumors of a new Sega console or not? (sorry i never had anyone in my region having a Saturn. I only knew that it existed due to magazines)
In Larry's defense. This video is 3 weeks old right around the time the news about established titles was just getting main stream traction. Hopefully this will be his last video to promote Establisrd FAKE Titles.
All Marketing and Business Management students should be required to study Sega's history in the 90's and early 2000's, it's the purest example of corporate hubris.
I remember that "but a 360" thing. I immediately went online and told everyone "There you have it. If you don't like extreme DRM that prevents you from playing your games, don't buy an Xbox. Said it himself. Don't buy it." And then I didn't! I went with Nintendo consoles instead. Wii and Switch are great, and we'll the WiiU never happened
Honestly I feel like the Xbox team was onto something when they tried to turn the Xbox One into a general entertainment platform. They probably saw the metrics of how many people on 360 were streaming video and saw that it massively outweighed game-hours. I bought a Series X and every time I get on, no joke, at least 75% of the people on my Friendslist are on some streaming video app. The problem is that people wanted to see the POWER of the new Xbox One console, and they just went over and over how it could stream video. Of course it could, the last one could too lmao. A Nintendo Wii could. It was honestly the worst showcase of any console ever and they are still recovering from the aftermath. the whole DRM thing was the real nail in the coffin
Also the PS2 only became the best selling console of all time because it was a DVD player being sold under cost lol. Never underestimate the power of additional entertainment applications on your gaming peripheral. But yes, at the time even a toaster could let you watch The Price is Right. It would have been more surprising if the Xbox One didn’t let you. While they were showing off what many would be using it for, they weren’t showing off anything special or a reason to buy it over their competitors who were already doing the same thing.
Donny Mattz also committed a mortal sin to the American market, the Xbox's PRIMARY MARKET: Shat on active duty military members serving in the middle east. That's a massive no-no in the United States. While I will admit that the hero worship of the US Military is a bit cringe, it's a massive course correction from how the veterans of Vietnam were treated, who were largely ignored and mistreated by the public.
@@amentco8445 On their website they try to hide the fact that that title is not much more than a nickname. Unlike academic titles like PhD, titles of nobility are not protected by law - so if someone wants to call himself Lord or Lady in everyday life, nothing is going to stop him or her.
Nevermind whole systems, sometimes individual games can be fucked over by a Ratner. Take EarthBound for instance; the marketing slogan for that game in the States was 'This Game Stinks!" The result? EarthBound undersold and that became one of the contributing factors why Mother 3 never went international and EarthBound didn't see a PAL region release for more than a decade until it was rereleased on Virtual Console.
Like many other xbox 360 owners with an xbox live account: when I heard of the kinect needing to register and identify people in my household when it saw them, always needing to snoop, I cancelled my xbox live account. I built a Linux gaming rig and opened a GOG account and a steam account and became a winetricks coder. PS4 has been strong in my household. We did love the xbox360. Even WITH the red ring of death. I repaired over 400 xbox360 consoles with that red ring of death and resold them CHEAP! My shop made $800 to $1,000 every day from that alone. Make more garbage, microsoft!
I actually owned one of those Amstrad GX4000's. I didn't buy it though! My uncle was manager for a local Comet and he came round one day and gave one to me for free, with about 4 or 5 games. He did warn me however, that I "probably won't ever find more games for it because the system is discontinued". He wasn't wrong. I never did find any more games for it. I do have fond memories of that old junker though, and I actually remember it being a pretty decent little console, but I also fully appreciate that I'm looking back at it with rose tinted glasses lol. It really was a NES-grade system at a time of the SNES and Mega Drive. The poor little Amstrad was vastly outclassed from the moment it was released. It never stood a chance!
I've thrown my punches at ol' Bernie before regarding the Saturn, but after his passing I can't stay mad at the guy who spearheaded both the Playstation and the Dreamcasts launches, especially since there are MANY reasons for the Saturn's failure. There's even been some stories making the rounds showing its unfair to put it all on him. RIP Bernie Stolar.
Yeah like what was listed here, there are many reasons the Saturn failed. Personally I think not using any of the 3D tech AM2 invented was a giant mistake
@@dodgykebaab Mostly because they rushed it to the market right after they launched the 32X. It all goes downhill from there. Biggest one for me is the mess that was Sonic X-treme. The story of that game's development is wild, and paints a picture of all the problems Bernie had to deal with. Its rough being a Saturn fan.
I don't understand why so many youtubers are promoting Established titles again. They're a proven scam lmao. You don't get the land, you're not a lord/lady. There's a dedicated court for that stuff, and the land that established titles lets you *use* (you don't even own the land) isn't nearly big enough to have the title granted to you. Save the $50, just go round calling yourself it regardless, no one will check it anyway and it'll just be the same as if you paid established titles lmao.
Exactly, you're paying $50 for a worthless paper "souvenir". Established Titles claim to be based in Scotland but its just a brand operated by Galton Voysey in Hong Kong. You can't visit the land they claim to own, the charities they claim to be planting trees with do not even operate in Scotland.
@@otaking3582 it's all very easy to Google. Just look up both what established titles say, and then look up what the court that handles all the lord/lady stuff do/say. It's also incredibly easy to check the charity stuff as well yourself
I've watched just about every Fact Hunt and this one disappointed me. There's a few cases of stretching of events and facts in this one, and I think it's to make the topic seem more interesting than it is. For instance, saying Stoler killed the Saturn by saying "Saturn is not our future." The Saturn's wreckage had already stopped smoldering by the time he said it and everybody had more or less moved on. While a lot of Tramiel's quotes are silly amounts of dumb, some made sense in context. For instance, the Nintendo part: He was right at the time. Nintendo was known for not taking big leaps and staying safe. They made sturdy, reliable consoles based on proven technology. They rarely stuck their neck out. Nothing in the SNES, NES, or Gameboy was revolutionary. Lastly, while his claim on ITC dumping was a bit "we can't win so we'll sue" and scummy, he was correct. Foreign companies operating within the US are bound by "dumping" laws that prohibit them (Sony) hurting domestic companies (Atari) by selling products under their production cost. It is a "rules for thee but not for me" thing, but he was 100% correct. That's a benefit Atari had as a US based company.
There’s also the part where he states that Microsoft’s “Don’t Buy a Console” statement in 1995 was done ten years before Xbox when in reality it’s closer to six years (Xbox released in 2001), maybe four to five years if you count the start time to developing/announcing the console. Not really sure why he would misrepresent the time gap to be longer rather than shorter, it undermines just how absurd the statement was in retrospect.
I think the first Microsoft entry was a bit outside of the scope of the list's idea, since it didn't destroy any game system. If they said something like "IF YOU WANT TO PLAY GAMES GET A COMPUTER WITH MSDOS, WINDOWS 95 IS FOR WORKING ADULTS", now that would've been fitting.
Perhaps the Windows entry is the reason why Valve chose Linux for the Steam Deck. Then again there are some games that strait up don't work on the Deck such as Halo. Coincidence-- no --but the reason are rather stupid. Oddly enough, one reason one of the Halo games doesn't work for the Deck is moot for another game available for free.
Linux is more resource-efficient than Windows - always has been. That's what makes its use practically imperative in handheld gaming PCs, because that lack of efficiency ends up destroying battery life.
Worst thing with the Saturn isn't that just that console died, the failure of the Saturn can also be blamed for the failure of the dreamcast, and as time goes on it becomes clearer and clearer how ahead of its time the dreamcast was.
no kidding, quite a few of the best games for dreamcast became the best games on ps2/gamecube/xbox after they were ported. It didn't have the biggest library of games but for what it did have it was like having a ps2 a few years early.
@@1Raptor85 also hardware side, dreamcast controller uses hall effect joysticks which effectively never drift, unlike the potentiometer ones used by all modern first party controllers
The Dreamcast was an amazing console. It was so good that Sony released the PS2 a year early, unfinished in order to compete with it. That's why all the launch titles and early games for it were... less than polished, shall we say.
The ACTUAL Sam Tramiel quotes from his Next Generation Magazine interview put up for context. "Jaguar is as powerful, if not more powerful than Saturn. That we are convinced of, from the technology that we've seen. "The PlayStation, I must say, is a little, little bit more powerful in certain areas - but not in others." " Jaguar 2 will be software compatible with Jaguar 1, so all the Jaguar 1 software will be compatible with Jaguar 2… Jaguar 1 has a long life ahead of it at $149. It will be a very successful product. We're here, we're competing, and we will be a major competitor through the '90s. I think that's a really important message." He was basically saying buy a Jaguar now and you'll be able to play it's titles on it's successor. Sam wasn't fired either.. He suffered a heart attack in 1995 and was replaced as the head of Atari by his ageing father, Jack Why is it, yet again the community has to put up what was actually said and what actually happened??
Because content creators like Larry can't do proper research. He does some, but not properly. Watch his video about bricking consoles where consoles aren't bricked, not even by the definition he uses in the video. His way of speaking comes off as quite arrogant too, since it sounds like he's better than the people he talk about, yet he's not as successful and he's making a lot of mistakes.
I believe you're also missing out on the other VERY KEY stupid thing that Microsoft did. They said that you'd have to pay a fee in order to use 2nd hand games on the console...which was widely mocked by literally everyone, including their competitors. I remember that they practically handed Sony that particular win, who even had a video ready to go on "how to share youre Playstation 4 games" which had someone handing over their game to their friend and saying "enjoy" vs Microsofts massively convoluted system in order to 'share' your game with your friends.
fun fact the person who really front ran the push for gaming with windows 95 was a little known dev by the name gabe newell who im shure went on to do nothing important im shure
Not sure what about the Windows 95 bit that destroyed a games console tbh. Yes it was a dumb statement, but 95 was a massive success for Microsoft and it did become a popular gaming platform.
I think it's the irony of the statement in hindsight that put it on the list (at least to Larry) Then again, 10 years is a long time gap in internet land, so it's definitely possible they changed their minds during that time
I would advise from using Established Titles. The Lord or Lady title has no authority and is basically a joke name. Even if you visit Scotland you won't be recognized or treated as a lord or lady. The company itself isn't even in Scotland it was founded in Hong Kong. You're basically paying $50-$200 for a piece of paper with no real authority.
I love how at the end of the ‘PlayStation is more powerful’ section in Sam’s interview he says ‘But Jaguar 2 will blow it away’. So don’t bother with the current Jaguar and wait for Jaguar 2? You said that already Sam!
I have a feeling that Sega didn't want to make the Saturn too good at 3D, out of fear of ruining their own arcade business. But consoles have never really been competitors to arcades anyway.
I don't remember where i read that ( so it's dubious information) but iirc, someone at Srga thought that polygon with the then-currdnt tech did'nt look too good and deduced that people would be more interested in high quality sprites. If that's true, then he largely underestimated the impact that 3d would have on gameplay, and the fact that 3d at all would be a huge draw, regardless of how not so good it looked.
@@emperormegaman3856 it's been the claim they went with Quads at the time the industry was doing polygon 3D via triangles, is because they didn't want the polygon warping that blighted the PlayStation hardware.
Established titles is a scam, you can't legally transfer ownership of a plot of land that small in Scotland and owning land in Scotland does NOT bestow the title of lord or lady. Donate 10 dollars to your favorite tree planting charity and use whatever imaginary title you want to achieve identical results for one eighth the price.
To this day, I really gotta wonder what the hell they were thinking at Microsoft when it came time to launch the Xbox One. I mean, I loved the original Xbox. I would have bought a 360, were it not for the RROD issue. And looking back, I kind of regret not getting one of the later models. So to see them screw the pooch so badly on the Xbox One is just confusing. "Hey gang, here's our new console! It's basically a Tivo with a microphone and a camera that's always on! And you have to have high-speed internet, or your system will become worthless. And you can never use pre-owned games either! Oh, and something about Call of Duty."
Ah... The idiotic quotes have only become more prolific... "Birds aren't real"... "Established titles makes you a real lord or lady"... "Safe and effective"... People will believe anything
I'm not surprised that Sega would release a console lacking 3D hardware despite their huge success in bringing 3D games to arcades, since they did the same thing before with sprite scaling.
On the Saturn segment... I agree with what you say, of course, but- It was the fact that it was still (largely) a 2D console that meant I loved my Saturn. I could never get on with the PS or the Dreamcast onwards, as the early 3D games had a style I detested. RIP Saturn, you were the best.
Totally thought you were going to do more ripping over the Kinect on that last one! So many people decided against XB1 when they were told they HAD to have Kinect which HAD to always connect to internet... only to kill Kinect only months after release!
Disappointed Ouya didn't make the list - their CEO botched so many interviews when it came to that console
Aye, my favorite was the infamous "there is nothing special about this board" interview lmao
@@linkrulezall she even kept it next to her dunkaroos
@@PurpleDolphinStudios I always think that was a desperate attempt to recreate the moment when Steve Jobs pulled a MacBook Air from an envelope. The difference being that when jobs did it, it looked cool as it had never been done before, so it really emphasised how slim the MBA was.
When the Ouya CEO did it, she looked like she was trying to sell the OUYA to kids so they could pull it out of their lunch boxes or bags. She look desperate.
It's a shame really, because the OUYA could have been a decent Android game console.
FFS not you too, Larry! Why are so many TH-camrs accepting sponsorships from Established Titles?! It's a SCAM!
First of all, that custom does NOT exist. Otherwise, every homeowner in Scotland would be a laird/lord and they aren't.
Secondly, they aren't actually selling you any land whatsoever. None of their "sales" go through the proper channels. This is because it's literally IMPOSSIBLE for them to actually sell you the land.
Selling or buying "souvenir plots" (land which is of inconsiderable size or utility) is 100% ILLEGAL here in Scotland!
The ONLY thing they are selling is a scrap of paper with a fictional fantasy printed on it. They are con artists, pure and simple.
Because for them, it's easy money?
Just a heads up for established titles, you must go through a formal written title in the UK in order to become a lord or lady, and you must own at least 1-2 acres of land to be known as one. So you can’t just own land to be considered, you must file a letter of request for Britain nobility for the title. Planting a tree doesn’t actually give you this title. Also, the US and most countries outside of Europe and even a few countries in Europe does NOT recognize these titles, you cannot put them as a title for your name. They are simply just a piece of paper stating you planted a tree, nothing more, nothing less.
anarchy!
Well thats pretty funny considering its their biggest selling point
And you don't even really own that plot of land, it's just "dedicated to you". If you want to support reforestation donate to any reforestation ong and at least you know a bigger part of your money will go to the cause instead of the Company/ads/novelty gifts
Yes, Mr Australian, that's what we call a "scam"
At least they are more environmentally friendly than NFTs...
Ah, the legendary moment where Don Mattrick put his foot in his mouth and outright said "it's not just a flip of a switch to disable the always online" and then flipped said switch anyways. Phil Spencer is JUST reaping the YEARS of goodwill he tried to fix after Don Mattrick's screw up.
Phil still wasn't tough enough on the studios considering only 2 of the AAA's consistently brought quality. Most others we are still waiting.
as a British person i can safely say that ive never heard of anyone anywhere say "he's done a Ratner"
I'm surprised you didn't include the OUYA's Julie Uhrman saying that "There's NOTHING special about this board" when asked about the OUYA. Among MANY other stupid things. You could've had another list of 5 in this list of 5 to go with Atari's list of 5, lol.
The most recent comments are just painful to read. This video came out before any of the controversy surrounding the sponsor became so globally known. Demanding some sort of statement from Larry also isn't gonna do anything, and I doubt he'd even be legally allowed to make one.
Exactly. Really makes me just hate humanity, given how stupid we actually are.
I know y'all are fucking stupid but someone taking on a sponsorship has a responsibility to make sure they aren't supporting a scam. Checking scottish titles law would have shown quite clearly that his sponsor was scamming.
Inbred simps.
@@alphamaccao5224 Those insults really aren't needed for a counter-argument like that. I'm willing to discuss but at least be civil.
@@Thoomas2001 He's incapable of civility, he wants an unearned sense of superiority.
@@alphamaccao5224 dream simp
Microsoft saying "don't buy a console" ten years before the Xbox did not destroy the Xbox. That's just an example of irony.
It's no different than Sony pushing the original PlayStation as a pure gamesmachine and mocking the multimedia approach of it's rivals, before pushing the PlayStation 2 and 3 as multimedia machines.
@@thefurthestmanfromhome1148 that argument could even be said with the ps1, being also sold as a CD player
Also I find it not only highly plausible for a company or an individual to change their point of view in 10 years time, I find quite laudable.
@@killingtimeonline And not just a CD player, but one of the best CD players out there (if yours predates the PlayStation av out)
@@BottomOfTheDumpsterFire kind of ironic considering the pal version of the ps2 gimped its own resolution to avoid being copies made of their dvds, I guess making it one of the worst dvd players
You forgot the best bit with the Xbox One where they admitted the Kennect would randomly take pictures and send it back to Microsoft without any warning
good ol' bill gates was going to watch you ma$turbate.
Sega in the Saturn era was just stupid, but one could argue a lot of the issues they had around that time were because of Japan's obsession with beating Nintendo in the market in any capacity. Had they considered the long-term ramifications (and how translating the success in Japan directly to America could work instead of adapting to what they THOUGHT America wanted...seriously, the Saturn could have made a killing in the US had they not kept the majority of the RPGs in Japan because, ironically, the RPG market in the US was starting to boom at the time what with FF6, Chrono Trigger, Phantasy Star 4, and Earthbound either released or on the horizon), they could have mitigated all this AND still been a force in the console wars for longer than they were.
Sony's response to the XBone's announcment was just killer. A 22 second video entiled 'how to share games on ps4' where one guy hands off a game to another. Say what you want about Sony at least when you fuck up they will bring the burn.
You shouldn't advertise for Established Title or any of the other scam companies promising titles.
The Land Registration etc. (Scotland) Act 2012, Section 22(1)(b), specifically prohibits the sale of “souvenir plots” of land. Although anyone can call themselves a Lord or Lady, these companies cant bestow legal recognition, privileges, and protections associated with those titles. It's like Dr. Phil not being an actual doctor in any use of the word but he can still call himself such. Protect your brand.
Even if that part's a scam, do they at least do the tree maintenance part that those types of things usually claim? Never really taken Titles seriously anyway, and most people buying in are going to be into it for the novelty of it and never be impacted by it being fake, but if the plots are still being preserved, there's worse ways of people being taken advantage of.
@DragonlordfrodoTV True.
I kept waiting for the punchline in the Microsoft segment. It never came. MS telling people not to buy a console, and releasing the Xbox ten years later is hardly ironic. It's one thing if they did this while the Xbox was on the market, but changing their strategy after a decade is hardly shocking.
The real rub was them saying PC gaming was cheaper. But yeah, I remember giving them crap over saying 'don't buy a console', but in reality, they just changed their minds. It happens. Hopefully for the better.
"They said the opposite JUST MERE 10 YEARS LATER!" said with a straight-face.
That ClockWork Knight Stage 1 music in the intro was a much-appreciated hit of nostalgia.
"One game journalist" - well, that's ONE way to describe the great Geoff Keighley.
So i just went on Wikipedia about Jack Trameil. Booooooy, do we have an interesting story.
According to the wiki, he was originally a Holocaust survivor. And when asked about his time in Auschwitz, he said "The Germans didnt kill Jews, the rules did." Interesting take to say the least. But, whats really interesting, is when he started his computer company he actually took out a 25k loan from Germany.
They asked "Why should we give you any money?" To which Jack said to them "Im a holocaust survivor. And that it would be great business marketing." Wow...
i mean it worked for Commodore
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In Tramiel's defense, what he actually said was that the PlayStation was "little, little more bit powerful in some areas - but not in others. It's a little bit more stronger than the Jaguar. A little, little bit". It was still an idiotic statement, though
Editing my post to clarify: further in the article, he said that "the PlayStation is a little bit more - not more technology, but PlayStation does have more memory than the Jaguar, it's using more silicon as a solution".
And in Stolar's defense, he didn't kill the Saturn. Saturn was already dead the moment Steve Race got on the stage saying "299". Not to mention that not only Saturn was a very difficult console to program for, even Yu Suzuki admitted that, it was never profitable for Sega since that machine was so complex that coming up with a cost-effective hardware revision was near impossible. Not to mention that Saturn's big name games just weren't selling, because everyone was too busy playing PlayStation, me included. So the best thing Stolar did was discontinuing the Saturn because that console was killing Sega.
not to mention the big idea to never tell anyone; not even game devs about the console was a ... weird play. imagine someone just being "well there's your problem" and SEGA today'd be like the top leader. you can never really tell what would have been, but man. I really wish SEGA didn't go out like a fart. (console wars anyway)
I thought for sure ouya would be on the list. I remember the lady saying the biggest selling point was "there is nothing special at all about the ouya"
The weird rivalry between the different departments of Sega and their hiring of too many non-gamers was a massive blow against them.
The age-old story goes that Sega of Japan HATED that the majority of their success came from North America, which, ironically enough, Sega was FOUNDED by an American living in Japan.
@@Loader2K1 and the funny thing; is that what kept SEGA on the map for a long time in the US was the AD manager; after he retired? the fates were sealed.
"buy an xbox360"
It's just one of those things you had to see to believe, one of those things that you might joke about happening but is so stupid you would never believe someone in his position would actually say it, right up until the moment he did.
The entire xbox one presentation was a clown show, and he still managed to top everything with that one comment.
Established Titles company info:
Registrant: Galton Voysey
Unit C, 27th Floor
Grandion Plaza
932 Cheung Sha Wan Road
Lai Chi Kok
Hong Kong
You don't actually own any land, and arent a Lord or Lady as there is a legitimate process for that in the UK and this isn't it lol. There is also no proof that any tree was ever planted in your name.
Apparently they reuse same plot numbers and sell it to multiple people
Yea you’re just buying paper essentially
In this day and age the concept of loyalty to a specific console is pointless. The closer they become to being pcs, the less it matters. The only thing that bothers me is that no Saturn games have been redone or emulated for the new age… no shining force, no panzer dragoon saga, no burning rangers, dragon force and a slew of other exceptional titles from working design, climax/Camelot.. the arcade perfection we got for capcom fighters with the Saturn couldn’t be denied.
I expected to hear the quote from Sony, referring to the Vita as "legacy hardware," killing it almost instantly.
I think Meta beats the $500 million as the most expensive joke. That thing has burned up a trillion dollars at this point.
Did Facebook really lose money over that? I haven't kept up
@@SP_Sour Yes and the trillion dollars isn't hyperbole or any kind of exaggeration. It's so bad that their worth was $286B last Monday and I was checking it each day just to see how bad the dumpster fire was. They were losing roughly $10B a day. Up until Sunday were they rose a little and now sit at about $255B. Just 1/1.5 years ago they were well over a trillion dollars. In the span of less than 2 years they've lost over a trillion dollars yet Mark Zuckerburg is still obsessed with it for some reason.
Why did they change the name?
@@DEVILTAZ35 I believe it was to have a more appealing name for their delve into their whole Metaverse strategy.
@@SP_Sour Considering that Meta is their parent company, it's safe to say yes
Bernie Stolar was a disaster for the Saturn. He is the reason we didn't get a lot of the great games for Saturn, like Radiant Silvergun
I think he hated 2D games,JRPGS and Japanese games you know everything the Saturn was Made for. Then took that atitude to sony who did the exact same thing in US region until mid PS3 era.
I'd like to think he understood the screw up he did, because he was also integral for the Dreamcast's US launch. The marketing, the slogan, the hype machine, the "9.9.99" date. Hell, he fought against Sega of Japan to make the Dreamcast $199 instead of $250, and HE WON that battle (tho I believe that cost him his job). He did some big mistakes, but he also did good.
@@ChiruKobra The controller was meant to be a Saturn one with a VMU slot added.
He also insisted it had to be wholly unique, further trying to strongarm even the parts of the Saturn the market enjoyed…
It didn’t help that Sony utterly demolished Microsoft XBone with their “how to share games on the PS4” video that same expo
A good more recent example of an idiotic quote was when the founder of the OUYA project was exclaiming: "There is NOTHING special about this board, NOTHING, nothing right!"
Now so much was wrong with that device that it would have failed regardless of the quote, but Julie did not help the OUYA one bit.
Ah yes. That’s EXACTLY how I’d market my upcoming console. “Buy the previous one instead!” 🤦♂️
I think the Jaguar could've had a chance at succeeding if the average Jaguar game had actually looked better than SNES or Genesis. Those Jaguar ads in gaming magazines were baffling to me as a kid - Atari were focusing so hard on marketing the thing as the most advanced gaming console, but then the actual screenshots they chose mostly looked like below-average Genesis games with hideous color palettes. I think Atari made a mistake by allowing developers to lean on the 16-bit processor instead of learning the system's complicated architecture.
I know the Ouya was f*caked from the start but, didn’t that woman hold up her console to the press and say something along the lines of “there is absolutely nothing special with this. Look at it!” Sheesh
"It's not a video games console, it's an entertainment console"
@@Mario583a it’s a retirement community!
When reverse psychology gets reversed. "Do not buy our product!" Everyone: "Okie dokie."
It should also be mentioned that the presentation of the XBOX One solely focused on the american market with them telling us that you can watch the NFL on it, something that wasn´t interesting to us europeans back then (and i would argue even now despite the NFL getting more popular). They basically marketed their console for the american mainstream while american gamers wondered where the games were and the rest of the world wtf we should do with these unappealing functions.
Crazy how Xbox ran away with the 360 that generation just to immediately shoot themselves in the foot with just the reveal of the Xbox One! You lost everyone before the product even launched. $100 more expensive than PS4 and the forced kinect and the threat of having to always be online. People made up their minds before the generation even began.
PS3 caught and surpassed 360 in the end
🤫 no it didn't the moment the next gen is announced is the moment the current gen ends.
Uhh yes the PS3 did surpass the 360 in sales
@@jasoncrews3938 After the release of the PS4 and the XBO. I think the declarations also hurt the 360.
Microsoft was trying to push DirectX as the future of PC gaming, and -- DirectX was an enormous success! It gave us lots of games that were just unmatched on console, like StarCraft and Unreal. In fact the X in Xbox stands for DirectX, and Microsoft basically just shoved an x86 PC with a cut down Windows with DirectX into a box and called it a console. And it was, again, a success. It didn't move PS2 numbers but it was the only sixth gen console with vertex and fragment shaders and the only sixth gen console that could play Doom 3.
Not quite as at the time it had a more advanced GPU than what was available on PC especially when it came to shaders. i doubt that can ever happen again with how far in front PC graphics tech is today. it didn't take long for PC graphics cards to surpass the Nvidia one in the original Xbox though. i used to love the name 'Nvidia Geforce' :)
Microsoft: it's an all in one entertainment centre
Me: what about games?
Microsoft: it's an all in one entertainment centre that requires online and Kinect
Me: I don't want Kinect
Microsoft: it's an all in one entertainment centre that's watching you and cannot be turned off
Larry didn't set out to scam anyone, folks. A whole lot of people thought this was legitimate just a little while ago. Relax. We all know now, we don't need a hundred people piling in to say the same thing. Thanks, but not necessary.
Fuck this mindset. ANY TIME you get a sponsorship, it's on the person being sponsored to do some checking to be sure the fucking thing is valid. Y'all fuckers are stupid as a sack of bricks if you're willing to give larry a break because he wanted $$$ over spending a few minutes making sure that getting such titles was valid.
God damned simps.
@@alphamaccao5224 What research could he have done? The reason you, and most other people know it is a scam is because of a scandal that the founders were unable to keep under wraps. He could have spent hours researching it and even interviewed the people running the whole scam and still not have found anything fishy about it.
"the xbox one looked like it was ready to take on the world of VHS"
underrated line
It was cool looking compared to a PS5 today that is a total eyesore lol
I remember that silly interview with Sam Tramiel from back when that issue was published. "Hardware dumping," indeed. I never really understood their marketing angle for the Jaguar... sometimes it was "we're the first 64-bit game console!" and sometimes it was "buy American or you're a traitor." Yes, patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel.
I remember reading that article when it came out. I had a Jaguar and it wasn't looking good for me being able to afford a new system. But even wishing what he said was true, I knew the ship had already sank and he was just trying to get a few more out the door before they closed up shop. But unlike the infamous Sega line, I don't think this Tramiel interview did any real damage, the gig was already up.
It was also Atari's marketing that saw them decide 2D was dead and the Jaguar should try and compete with the PlayStation and Saturn in the realm of texture mapped 3D,killing promising titles like Deathwatch on the Jaguar.
Often, it's the first refuge.
Surprised the Ouya isn't on here, they literally said there was nothing special about their little box that could play games
"..fortunately, we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360."
the oof, the veiled contempt, the quote that sunk
Established titles is a scam.
Bernie Stolar shouldn’t have given up with the Saturn, this only scared off other developers and retailers! The Xbone launch was a disaster, so glad they dropped the DRM after the backlash!
I worked in a game shop mid 90s and another thing that Sega did to screw up the Saturn was that they had 'done their research' and the vast majority of people had TVs with SCART in their houses, but that tended to be the main telly in the lounge, and at this time gaming was still mostly done in a young person's bedroom on a 14" portable TV many of which didn't have SCART sockets, the lead included with the Saturn would use. So Sega sold the RF leads separately, I think they were about £25, on top of the console being £399 at launch, nobody was going to pay £425 + games when the Playstation was £299, and had more games already.
Sega attempted damage limation on that by pointing out you had to buy a memory card, to save games for the PlayStation, didn't help one bitm
I think it helped (in the UK at least) that Sony had an exclusive deal with Blockbuster to rent out Playstations. Blockbuster were huge at the time, and I know a lot of customers who rented a Playstation, with a couple of games, loved it and went to buy one.
It was not just the weight of windows, most of the issues was that GDI was simply not very fast at drawing stuff. hence WinG and later on DirectX
They hired Kalinski for the knowledge of the American market. When it was arguably more successful than the Japanese branch, they tightened the reigns and killed their own brand.
Remember: Publicly traded (regardless if the ownership is private) corporations are beholden to shareholders. Even if the people running them weren't all a bunch of malignant narcissists (because they are, they're usually hand-picked by equally soulless shareholders while founding CEOs with actual souls are often driven or kicked out), they literally _can't_ admit to their shortcomings in public or they'll lose funding.
corporations aren't your friends. stop defending them.
@@polocatfan What the f*ck part of "Even if the people running them weren't all a bunch of malignant narcissists (because they are, they're usually hand-picked by equally soulless shareholders while founding CEOs with actual souls are often driven or kicked out)" did you NOT comprehend?
@@mattwo7 you're being way too nice calling them even that.
@@polocatfan Well, now you're just being an ass about it.
You neglected to mention Sony exec Jim Ryan and his foot-in-ass quote "Why would anybody play this?" when seeing huge groups of players at a competition playing PS3 games. Jim was proven especially wrong when Sony tried to shut down the PS3 servers and store, only to be met with tens of thousands of people saying "I still play this"
and the PS5 still cannot run PS3/2/1 games. You don't even need to do anything for it to run PS1 games, that is just pure customer animosity.
As a fellow turtle, my advice to you is to get a fat ps2. I have never tried a ps1 game that wouldn't work in it. Tbh never cared at all about ps3/4/5 but if you want retro just get a thicc ps2
Larry just called Geoff Keighley a “game journalist”.
Like, I hate how many Tencent games we see at The Game Awards too, but I respect Geoff A LITTLE more than that…
Larry's "Hello you" always makes me smile. Like being greeted by an old friend down the pub ☺
Established Titles is a bit of a scam btw! It's a souvaner plot. It's like adopting an animal, you get a nice bit of paper but that's about it. It's not a genuine lordship, it's just a novelty gift.
It’s exactly the same way people got themselves into the nobility to begin with-you buy your way in.
It's FULLY a scam, plenty of vids about all these bull companies that offer titles that dont have any backing.
Only King Charles can make someone a lord.
Love the video but as far as I've ever heard Established Titles is more of a scam then anything, although it's commendable that Larry did use the service prior to accepting a sponsorship, I'd say it's way too close to the old Name A Star thing for my liking
The XBox One quote wasn't the only quote that killed that console! The nail in the coffin was when the Playstation rep came out, picked up the microphone, saying, "299 dollars, 99 cents," and put down the microphone and walking off stage to a standing ovation.
What console are we talking here? Are you talking about Steve Race? PS vs Saturn?
That was a full generation before the XBox existed.
The rep literally came out and only said "299" and left. Total mic drop moment.
I also remember the ad they made in response to the backlash that people can't share xbox one games or buy second hand copies. It was just one guy handing his ps4 copy to his mate. And that was it.
Sonys staff really cashed in on microsofts controversy back then.
Just wanted to let you know that the Established titles thing is a complete scam. To readers of this comment; Established titles says they'll donate money to a tree planting charity but have yet to provide evedence of doing so. Also, Scottish law does not dictate that if you own a plot of land you are a lerd/lord nor a lady. You are better of donating your money directly to onetreeplanted
People on the early 2010 using hashtags as some kind of punchline for their terrible replies has always made me laugh even back then, all those grown ups talking like if they were so "hip and cool", cringe even before the expression was abused.
Honestly I want to make a poster out of that shot of Bill Gates wearing a trenchcoat with his sweater-vest and kakis showing while holding a shotgun, and that nerdy ass haircut hahaha
XBox One was such a clusterfuck - always on, Kinect whether you want it or not, gesture controls whether you want it or not, DRM'd discs that couldn't be traded. Microsoft had to backtrack on all of that but they still got reamed by Sony.
Microsoft clearly had the idea that they wanted to induce game developers to create tons of games from the Kinect by ensuring that every single Xbox One owner had one, and thus was a potential customer for such games.
The problem with the original Kinect was that only a small fraction of Xbox 360 owners had one, and thus developing a game for it was developing a game for a much smaller market than just outright developing a normal game for the Xbox 360. This wasn't very tempting for game development companies. After all, why put resources to create a game for a peripheral with a relatively small market size when the exact same resources could be put into a game for market 10 times larger (or even more)?
Thus, I'm sure that Microsoft's idea was that since every single Xbox One owner was guaranteed to have Kinect 2, that would induce more developers to write games for it, because there was no difference in the size of either customerbase (as they were the one and same).
How wrong they were. The number of Kinect games for the Xbox One is abysmal (even before Microsoft made the peripheral optional and started selling consoles without one bundled.) Even with the incentive of every Xbox One owner having the device, game developer companies weren't interested.
Exactly. You'd have to pay a fee if you wanted to loan a game to your friends too.
I think Stolar just said that because he was extremely excited to bring out the Dreamcast but at that time since the public was unaware of that fact, they most likely took it as a statement that meant they were going to stop supporting all consoles indefinitely?
I think Bernie's comments with the Saturn, while damning, can also be excused. Becuase Sega of Japan and Sega of America were closer to rivals then branches of the same company. SoA had a completely different next gen console they were working on that DID use the Arcade technology that they were developing at the same time as SoJ was making the Saturn. So his "Saturn is not our future" likely was refering to his plans to try and get his system released. SoJ killed that project VERY hard, becuase SoJ during that era really didn't give a shit about anything not Japanese made.
The fact that sega of america didnt just become another company was shocking honestly. Like im shocked people continued working under SOJ.
The Japanese side was always jealous of how popular their American brethren were honestly. They were killing it in sales and were minor celebrities in the gaming sphere are the time. They should have been business partners and celebrated each other’s success but they just tore each other down and Sega still hasn’t truly recovered. A shame, as they are a great company otherwise
Kinda surprised not to see the Ouya lady on here. But then, the Ouya was such a disaster that it deserves a video all to itself.
Rerez did a great video on it
I remember there were people saying "stop blaming Bernie Stolar for what happened with the Saturn! Sega was to blame!" Yeah, Sega made mistakes with the Saturn and they realized that and wanted to fix it. However, Bernie just made things worse for them by saying that stupid shit. His policy against RPG's that he also used in his time with Sony along with other unpopular policies wasn't helping either.
but... i don't quite get it. At that time the console was 2 years old and the Dreamcast came out in 1999. By that point there sure were some rumors of a new Sega console or not? (sorry i never had anyone in my region having a Saturn. I only knew that it existed due to magazines)
In Larry's defense. This video is 3 weeks old right around the time the news about established titles was just getting main stream traction. Hopefully this will be his last video to promote Establisrd FAKE Titles.
All Marketing and Business Management students should be required to study Sega's history in the 90's and early 2000's, it's the purest example of corporate hubris.
Any day that sees an upload from Larry Bundy Jr. is a good day.
Lord Larry Bundy*
I remember that "but a 360" thing. I immediately went online and told everyone "There you have it. If you don't like extreme DRM that prevents you from playing your games, don't buy an Xbox. Said it himself. Don't buy it."
And then I didn't! I went with Nintendo consoles instead. Wii and Switch are great, and we'll the WiiU never happened
Weird how XBox is now the more consumer-friendly option.
Idk why you have shade on the WiiU, it’s better than the Wii in almost every way.
@@TRDiscordian that's funny because the Wii U was also an amazing console.
@@xBlacklove best TH-cam player ever made.
@@TRDiscordian except playstation consoles work offline
Wii U was an underrated console but Nintendo's poor marketing and failure to get enough third party support were nails in the coffin
Honestly I feel like the Xbox team was onto something when they tried to turn the Xbox One into a general entertainment platform. They probably saw the metrics of how many people on 360 were streaming video and saw that it massively outweighed game-hours. I bought a Series X and every time I get on, no joke, at least 75% of the people on my Friendslist are on some streaming video app.
The problem is that people wanted to see the POWER of the new Xbox One console, and they just went over and over how it could stream video.
Of course it could, the last one could too lmao. A Nintendo Wii could.
It was honestly the worst showcase of any console ever and they are still recovering from the aftermath. the whole DRM thing was the real nail in the coffin
Also the PS2 only became the best selling console of all time because it was a DVD player being sold under cost lol. Never underestimate the power of additional entertainment applications on your gaming peripheral. But yes, at the time even a toaster could let you watch The Price is Right. It would have been more surprising if the Xbox One didn’t let you. While they were showing off what many would be using it for, they weren’t showing off anything special or a reason to buy it over their competitors who were already doing the same thing.
@@MrZer093 Exactly
Donny Mattz also committed a mortal sin to the American market, the Xbox's PRIMARY MARKET: Shat on active duty military members serving in the middle east. That's a massive no-no in the United States.
While I will admit that the hero worship of the US Military is a bit cringe, it's a massive course correction from how the veterans of Vietnam were treated, who were largely ignored and mistreated by the public.
Rightfully so.
Ouya’s “theres nothing special about this board, NOTHING!”
Established titles is a scam :/
In what way? That it doesn't actually make you a lord? Do you mean not even the land technicality part is true? It's a pretty funny way to scam.
@@amentco8445 On their website they try to hide the fact that that title is not much more than a nickname. Unlike academic titles like PhD, titles of nobility are not protected by law - so if someone wants to call himself Lord or Lady in everyday life, nothing is going to stop him or her.
If you're in America then you don't respect feudal titles regardless. They can be sitting in the House of Lords and no one would care.
Yeah as an American myself, I’m barely inclined to call and actual lord or lady a lord or lady lol
One of these days, Larry is gonna hit us with a normal-speed 'as I say: but, hello, you' out of nowhere and we're all going to be utterly clotheslined
Nevermind whole systems, sometimes individual games can be fucked over by a Ratner. Take EarthBound for instance; the marketing slogan for that game in the States was 'This Game Stinks!" The result? EarthBound undersold and that became one of the contributing factors why Mother 3 never went international and EarthBound didn't see a PAL region release for more than a decade until it was rereleased on Virtual Console.
it's so sad too beacuse imo Earthbound is the best SNES game I've ever played
People call it a rare game yet there are 20 copies being sold on ebay at all times 😂
I want to know who's idea it was to make that ad. Did they not foresee how people would respond?
Like many other xbox 360 owners with an xbox live account: when I heard of the kinect needing to register and identify people in my household when it saw them, always needing to snoop, I cancelled my xbox live account. I built a Linux gaming rig and opened a GOG account and a steam account and became a winetricks coder. PS4 has been strong in my household. We did love the xbox360. Even WITH the red ring of death. I repaired over 400 xbox360 consoles with that red ring of death and resold them CHEAP! My shop made $800 to $1,000 every day from that alone. Make more garbage, microsoft!
I actually owned one of those Amstrad GX4000's. I didn't buy it though! My uncle was manager for a local Comet and he came round one day and gave one to me for free, with about 4 or 5 games. He did warn me however, that I "probably won't ever find more games for it because the system is discontinued". He wasn't wrong. I never did find any more games for it.
I do have fond memories of that old junker though, and I actually remember it being a pretty decent little console, but I also fully appreciate that I'm looking back at it with rose tinted glasses lol. It really was a NES-grade system at a time of the SNES and Mega Drive. The poor little Amstrad was vastly outclassed from the moment it was released. It never stood a chance!
i keep forgetting to update my Amiga mini firmware come to think of it lol
I've thrown my punches at ol' Bernie before regarding the Saturn, but after his passing I can't stay mad at the guy who spearheaded both the Playstation and the Dreamcasts launches, especially since there are MANY reasons for the Saturn's failure. There's even been some stories making the rounds showing its unfair to put it all on him.
RIP Bernie Stolar.
Yeah like what was listed here, there are many reasons the Saturn failed. Personally I think not using any of the 3D tech AM2 invented was a giant mistake
@@dodgykebaab Mostly because they rushed it to the market right after they launched the 32X. It all goes downhill from there.
Biggest one for me is the mess that was Sonic X-treme. The story of that game's development is wild, and paints a picture of all the problems Bernie had to deal with.
Its rough being a Saturn fan.
@@karnovrpg But at least we got 10 player bomberman!
11:55 Oh man, that takes me back. It's like one of those "how old are you" memes - I'm Closing-Windows-to-run-games-in-DOS years old.
Commander Keen shareware!!
I don't understand why so many youtubers are promoting Established titles again. They're a proven scam lmao. You don't get the land, you're not a lord/lady. There's a dedicated court for that stuff, and the land that established titles lets you *use* (you don't even own the land) isn't nearly big enough to have the title granted to you.
Save the $50, just go round calling yourself it regardless, no one will check it anyway and it'll just be the same as if you paid established titles lmao.
I just think it's ironic when Brits promote it
Exactly, you're paying $50 for a worthless paper "souvenir". Established Titles claim to be based in Scotland but its just a brand operated by Galton Voysey in Hong Kong. You can't visit the land they claim to own, the charities they claim to be planting trees with do not even operate in Scotland.
Where's your proof?
@@otaking3582 it's all very easy to Google. Just look up both what established titles say, and then look up what the court that handles all the lord/lady stuff do/say. It's also incredibly easy to check the charity stuff as well yourself
@@skylarkblue1 If it's _so_ easy, then you could just link to your proof.
Doing paid advertising for scammers now? I'm seriously disappointed in you Larry.
The second I saw the title card for the last entry, I knew what it would be. How could they possibly think that would go over well?
I've watched just about every Fact Hunt and this one disappointed me. There's a few cases of stretching of events and facts in this one, and I think it's to make the topic seem more interesting than it is. For instance, saying Stoler killed the Saturn by saying "Saturn is not our future." The Saturn's wreckage had already stopped smoldering by the time he said it and everybody had more or less moved on.
While a lot of Tramiel's quotes are silly amounts of dumb, some made sense in context. For instance, the Nintendo part: He was right at the time. Nintendo was known for not taking big leaps and staying safe. They made sturdy, reliable consoles based on proven technology. They rarely stuck their neck out. Nothing in the SNES, NES, or Gameboy was revolutionary. Lastly, while his claim on ITC dumping was a bit "we can't win so we'll sue" and scummy, he was correct. Foreign companies operating within the US are bound by "dumping" laws that prohibit them (Sony) hurting domestic companies (Atari) by selling products under their production cost. It is a "rules for thee but not for me" thing, but he was 100% correct. That's a benefit Atari had as a US based company.
There’s also the part where he states that Microsoft’s “Don’t Buy a Console” statement in 1995 was done ten years before Xbox when in reality it’s closer to six years (Xbox released in 2001), maybe four to five years if you count the start time to developing/announcing the console. Not really sure why he would misrepresent the time gap to be longer rather than shorter, it undermines just how absurd the statement was in retrospect.
About Amstrad GX4000. Someone in Poland was selling those consoles in dead stock condition back in 2014 for 300 PLN a pop.
Ah wow, old warehouse stock? Did you get one?
@@Larry Nah, I was a broke 17 y/o at this moment.
Established Titles scam :/
See lots of youtubers partnering with them, really disappointing.
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I think the first Microsoft entry was a bit outside of the scope of the list's idea, since it didn't destroy any game system. If they said something like "IF YOU WANT TO PLAY GAMES GET A COMPUTER WITH MSDOS, WINDOWS 95 IS FOR WORKING ADULTS", now that would've been fitting.
I was thinking the same thing. Gaming PCs are still a thing more than 25 years later, so it wasn't really killed, was it?
@@evilbob840 And Direct X became a core part of PC gaming in the mid to late 90's, leaving MSDOS behind.
Perhaps the Windows entry is the reason why Valve chose Linux for the Steam Deck. Then again there are some games that strait up don't work on the Deck such as Halo. Coincidence-- no --but the reason are rather stupid. Oddly enough, one reason one of the Halo games doesn't work for the Deck is moot for another game available for free.
Linux is more resource-efficient than Windows - always has been. That's what makes its use practically imperative in handheld gaming PCs, because that lack of efficiency ends up destroying battery life.
Worst thing with the Saturn isn't that just that console died, the failure of the Saturn can also be blamed for the failure of the dreamcast, and as time goes on it becomes clearer and clearer how ahead of its time the dreamcast was.
no kidding, quite a few of the best games for dreamcast became the best games on ps2/gamecube/xbox after they were ported. It didn't have the biggest library of games but for what it did have it was like having a ps2 a few years early.
@@1Raptor85 also hardware side, dreamcast controller uses hall effect joysticks which effectively never drift, unlike the potentiometer ones used by all modern first party controllers
The Dreamcast was an amazing console. It was so good that Sony released the PS2 a year early, unfinished in order to compete with it. That's why all the launch titles and early games for it were... less than polished, shall we say.
Larry you are cool but that Sponsor is a scam
That's disappointing, I was about to buy that =(
The fine Scottish tradition of robbing people.
This video came out before that was found out.
The ACTUAL Sam Tramiel quotes from his Next Generation Magazine interview put up for context.
"Jaguar is as powerful, if not more powerful than Saturn. That we are convinced of, from the technology that we've seen.
"The PlayStation, I must say, is a little, little bit more powerful in certain areas - but not in others."
" Jaguar 2 will be software compatible with Jaguar 1, so all the Jaguar 1 software will be compatible with Jaguar 2… Jaguar 1 has a long life ahead of it at $149. It will be a very successful product. We're here, we're competing, and we will be a major competitor through the '90s. I think that's a really important message."
He was basically saying buy a Jaguar now and you'll be able to play it's titles on it's successor.
Sam wasn't fired either.. He suffered a heart attack in 1995 and was replaced as the head of Atari by his ageing father, Jack
Why is it, yet again the community has to put up what was actually said and what actually happened??
Because content creators like Larry can't do proper research. He does some, but not properly. Watch his video about bricking consoles where consoles aren't bricked, not even by the definition he uses in the video.
His way of speaking comes off as quite arrogant too, since it sounds like he's better than the people he talk about, yet he's not as successful and he's making a lot of mistakes.
I believe you're also missing out on the other VERY KEY stupid thing that Microsoft did. They said that you'd have to pay a fee in order to use 2nd hand games on the console...which was widely mocked by literally everyone, including their competitors. I remember that they practically handed Sony that particular win, who even had a video ready to go on "how to share youre Playstation 4 games" which had someone handing over their game to their friend and saying "enjoy" vs Microsofts massively convoluted system in order to 'share' your game with your friends.
Not just somebody, the head of PlayStation to another director of PlayStation.
fun fact the person who really front ran the push for gaming with windows 95 was a little known dev by the name gabe newell who im shure went on to do nothing important im shure
TIL something new about GabeN.
Neat
Not sure what about the Windows 95 bit that destroyed a games console tbh. Yes it was a dumb statement, but 95 was a massive success for Microsoft and it did become a popular gaming platform.
I think it's the irony of the statement in hindsight that put it on the list (at least to Larry)
Then again, 10 years is a long time gap in internet land, so it's definitely possible they changed their minds during that time
I would advise from using Established Titles.
The Lord or Lady title has no authority and is basically a joke name. Even if you visit Scotland you won't be recognized or treated as a lord or lady. The company itself isn't even in Scotland it was founded in Hong Kong. You're basically paying $50-$200 for a piece of paper with no real authority.
I love how at the end of the ‘PlayStation is more powerful’ section in Sam’s interview he says ‘But Jaguar 2 will blow it away’.
So don’t bother with the current Jaguar and wait for Jaguar 2? You said that already Sam!
I have a feeling that Sega didn't want to make the Saturn too good at 3D, out of fear of ruining their own arcade business. But consoles have never really been competitors to arcades anyway.
I don't remember where i read that ( so it's dubious information) but iirc, someone at Srga thought that polygon with the then-currdnt tech did'nt look too good and deduced that people would be more interested in high quality sprites.
If that's true, then he largely underestimated the impact that 3d would have on gameplay, and the fact that 3d at all would be a huge draw, regardless of how not so good it looked.
@@emperormegaman3856 it's been the claim they went with Quads at the time the industry was doing polygon 3D via triangles, is because they didn't want the polygon warping that blighted the PlayStation hardware.
Bruh Dragon Quest is amazing don't use its OST to promote a scam like Established Titles
I'm sure you know by now about Established Titles scam
This sponsorship aged like fine milk
Established titles is a scam, you can't legally transfer ownership of a plot of land that small in Scotland and owning land in Scotland does NOT bestow the title of lord or lady. Donate 10 dollars to your favorite tree planting charity and use whatever imaginary title you want to achieve identical results for one eighth the price.
To this day, I really gotta wonder what the hell they were thinking at Microsoft when it came time to launch the Xbox One. I mean, I loved the original Xbox. I would have bought a 360, were it not for the RROD issue. And looking back, I kind of regret not getting one of the later models. So to see them screw the pooch so badly on the Xbox One is just confusing. "Hey gang, here's our new console! It's basically a Tivo with a microphone and a camera that's always on! And you have to have high-speed internet, or your system will become worthless. And you can never use pre-owned games either! Oh, and something about Call of Duty."
The moment I saw this video's title I just knew that Don Mattrick would be featured in there somewhere (lol).
Ah... The idiotic quotes have only become more prolific... "Birds aren't real"... "Established titles makes you a real lord or lady"... "Safe and effective"... People will believe anything
"Doctors sat this product actually works".... "I use it myself!"
I'm not surprised that Sega would release a console lacking 3D hardware despite their huge success in bringing 3D games to arcades, since they did the same thing before with sprite scaling.
On the Saturn segment... I agree with what you say, of course, but-
It was the fact that it was still (largely) a 2D console that meant I loved my Saturn. I could never get on with the PS or the Dreamcast onwards, as the early 3D games had a style I detested.
RIP Saturn, you were the best.
Totally thought you were going to do more ripping over the Kinect on that last one! So many people decided against XB1 when they were told they HAD to have Kinect which HAD to always connect to internet... only to kill Kinect only months after release!