Elite Pokémon Trainer here! I thought I'd live my thoughts. Squirtle: I mostly agree with what you've said. He's the low % combo character. I also think it's important to note his small size. He is seriously so hard to hit. Also, his tilts are just as good as his aerials. Most of his moves are safe on shield. How do you beat him? Use any ranged move to your advantage. Squirtle doesn't have a lot of good disjoints, so you want to keep your distance. Space you moves well, especially on shield. Also, don't try to punish every single move he throws out. Hit him as he's approaching. Ivysuar: Again, I agree for the most part. Side b combos into a lot of moves. Mix up how you avoid this. He is slow, but you can't bully his shield. Nair covers spot-dodge and can be drifted to cross up shield, so expect an ivysuar to use this out of shield a lot. I disagree with the claim that his recovery is bad. It's VERY good. Ivysuar can actually grab the ledge while above it. I can just react to my opponent's movements and decide when to up b. Ivy can also down b mid-tether. If you want to beat him, juggle him. All of his aerials are slow and punishable. Also, his entire neutral kinda relies on side b. If you have a reflector, he's done for. Charizard: I actually largely disagree with this one. Yes, he is fast and loves his grabs. But you forgot to mention his best moves. Nair is a great edge-guarding tool, and the sour-spot can be used for tech-traps. If you get hit by a sour-spot nair and land on a platform at mid %, you're dead. Side b covers all tech options. Against non-floaty characters, down tilt into side b is also a guaranteed kill at mid %. Also, back air is a very safe move, and the sour-spot IS still pretty strong. It kills stupidly early. To beat him, juggling is your best bet. Like Ivy, his moves are pretty slow. Just make sure to respect his up smash. Crossing up shield does NOT work against that move. Overall: All of the Pokémon lack amazing get-off-me options. Squirtle's rising nair and fair are unsafe on hit at low %. Ivysuar and Charizard's aerials are kinda slow. (Beware of Zard's up smash out of shield, however.) Their best escape tool is down b, which carries this character's disadvantage state. I'll be honest, I spam this in disadvantage. It stalls the pokemon in the air and has frame 1 invincibility. However, it is punishable. Long-lasting hitboxes can cover this option. You can bait a down b by starting a combo, then fast fall and land while the trainer uses down b. Then, jump back up and continue to juggle! Something to keep in mind is that down b has about a 2 second cool-down (unless a special move is used). All of the pokemon are not very good at getting off the ledge. Always ledgetrap. Edguarding this character is just not realistic. Squitle's hitboxes are small. Ivysuar and Charizard have no quick burst option.
Couldn’t agree more with this, but in Pokémon trainers favor fair and (especially) bair is pretty safe in shield. Also flare blitz tech chases are not guarenteed because you need the right timing or else the opponent could dodge it (you’re still likely safe since you’re at least halfway across the stage from them most likely). Anyways yeah those are definitely all of pts disadvantages here and it’s honestly a little embarrassing seeing pts weaknesses being shown off like that.
Good vid but I dont agree with saying tha Ivy recovery is predictable. PT recovery in general is everything but predictable since you have down B. You can vine from pretty much everywhere around the ledge, you can vine cancel ledgegrab, vine cancel razor/aerial, vine cancel down B blablabla
Wow, I feel so validated by type #3. That's definitely how I play. Depending on what my opponent is using I'll either use Ivysaur 80% of the time or Chariard 80% of the time. But I always felt like I was *supposed* to be a type 1 otherwise I wasn't using the full potential.
If you have to switch 3 times a stock it may get annoying. I’m honestly feel like my playstyle is a mixture of all of them, it really depends on how I’m doing and what situation I’m in. For example if I can’t keep up as charizard switch to squirtle. If squirtle is at a high percentage I sometimes switch to ivysaur and then special cancel vine whip to charizard. Anyways you can choose the playstyle you want with pt bc they have an infinite amount of playstyles. I do think you should start looking into squirtle tho.
@@DragonMaster1818 wow, this really is a throwback lol. I said that 3 and a half years ago so I can say that in the meantime I did learn how to play Squirtle :)
Ivysaur's edge guarding is much more than just down air. There's some pretty busted combos that will kill early off stage like rising Nair or Bair to vine whip. Also you don't need to footstool squirtle's withdraw to stun him, you only need to jump on him. It's relatively easy with some practice (much easier than timing the jump for footstooling). Great video though, covered lots of things most guides aren't talking about (:
Ok then, just punish him for doing literally anything that isn’t fair or bair and your good (also don’t be on a platform above him you’re gone and also mix up your recovery so the dair doesn’t hit and also don’t attack his shie- ok I see why your struggling :|)
Congrats on 1k Subs!!!!!!
Congrats on 1000 subs Trav!!!
phenomenal upload Travis Johnston. I shattered the thumbs up on your video. Maintain up the high-quality work.
Congrats on 1k subs, I really needed this vid cuz I’m losing to so much PT trainer, my Roy can’t even touch squritle with my aerials
I find all your videos extremely helpful, thank you :)
Elite Pokémon Trainer here! I thought I'd live my thoughts.
Squirtle:
I mostly agree with what you've said. He's the low % combo character. I also think it's important to note his small size. He is seriously so hard to hit. Also, his tilts are just as good as his aerials. Most of his moves are safe on shield. How do you beat him? Use any ranged move to your advantage. Squirtle doesn't have a lot of good disjoints, so you want to keep your distance. Space you moves well, especially on shield. Also, don't try to punish every single move he throws out. Hit him as he's approaching.
Ivysuar:
Again, I agree for the most part. Side b combos into a lot of moves. Mix up how you avoid this. He is slow, but you can't bully his shield. Nair covers spot-dodge and can be drifted to cross up shield, so expect an ivysuar to use this out of shield a lot. I disagree with the claim that his recovery is bad. It's VERY good. Ivysuar can actually grab the ledge while above it. I can just react to my opponent's movements and decide when to up b. Ivy can also down b mid-tether. If you want to beat him, juggle him. All of his aerials are slow and punishable. Also, his entire neutral kinda relies on side b. If you have a reflector, he's done for.
Charizard:
I actually largely disagree with this one. Yes, he is fast and loves his grabs. But you forgot to mention his best moves. Nair is a great edge-guarding tool, and the sour-spot can be used for tech-traps. If you get hit by a sour-spot nair and land on a platform at mid %, you're dead. Side b covers all tech options. Against non-floaty characters, down tilt into side b is also a guaranteed kill at mid %. Also, back air is a very safe move, and the sour-spot IS still pretty strong. It kills stupidly early. To beat him, juggling is your best bet. Like Ivy, his moves are pretty slow. Just make sure to respect his up smash. Crossing up shield does NOT work against that move.
Overall:
All of the Pokémon lack amazing get-off-me options. Squirtle's rising nair and fair are unsafe on hit at low %. Ivysuar and Charizard's aerials are kinda slow. (Beware of Zard's up smash out of shield, however.) Their best escape tool is down b, which carries this character's disadvantage state. I'll be honest, I spam this in disadvantage. It stalls the pokemon in the air and has frame 1 invincibility. However, it is punishable. Long-lasting hitboxes can cover this option. You can bait a down b by starting a combo, then fast fall and land while the trainer uses down b. Then, jump back up and continue to juggle! Something to keep in mind is that down b has about a 2 second cool-down (unless a special move is used).
All of the pokemon are not very good at getting off the ledge. Always ledgetrap. Edguarding this character is just not realistic. Squitle's hitboxes are small. Ivysuar and Charizard have no quick burst option.
Couldn’t agree more with this, but in Pokémon trainers favor fair and (especially) bair is pretty safe in shield. Also flare blitz tech chases are not guarenteed because you need the right timing or else the opponent could dodge it (you’re still likely safe since you’re at least halfway across the stage from them most likely). Anyways yeah those are definitely all of pts disadvantages here and it’s honestly a little embarrassing seeing pts weaknesses being shown off like that.
Awesome videos! You deserve more recognition
Good vid but I dont agree with saying tha Ivy recovery is predictable. PT recovery in general is everything but predictable since you have down B. You can vine from pretty much everywhere around the ledge, you can vine cancel ledgegrab, vine cancel razor/aerial, vine cancel down B blablabla
Also you can vine whip, switch, recover with charizard, and switch to squirtle or something
Congrats on 1k dude. Been around since the Bayonetta video
Wow, I feel so validated by type #3. That's definitely how I play. Depending on what my opponent is using I'll either use Ivysaur 80% of the time or Chariard 80% of the time. But I always felt like I was *supposed* to be a type 1 otherwise I wasn't using the full potential.
If you have to switch 3 times a stock it may get annoying. I’m honestly feel like my playstyle is a mixture of all of them, it really depends on how I’m doing and what situation I’m in. For example if I can’t keep up as charizard switch to squirtle. If squirtle is at a high percentage I sometimes switch to ivysaur and then special cancel vine whip to charizard. Anyways you can choose the playstyle you want with pt bc they have an infinite amount of playstyles.
I do think you should start looking into squirtle tho.
@@DragonMaster1818 wow, this really is a throwback lol. I said that 3 and a half years ago so I can say that in the meantime I did learn how to play Squirtle :)
@@Hulavuta Sorry I reply on things late a lot. Anyways good for you :)
it's ok, that's just how the internet works. comments are here forever and people discover them at different times. it was a nice throwbakc
do NOT exist directly above or below Ivysaur at any point
Dair onstage is bad because it’s kinda laggy tho
Ivysaur's edge guarding is much more than just down air. There's some pretty busted combos that will kill early off stage like rising Nair or Bair to vine whip. Also you don't need to footstool squirtle's withdraw to stun him, you only need to jump on him. It's relatively easy with some practice (much easier than timing the jump for footstooling). Great video though, covered lots of things most guides aren't talking about (:
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absolutely best move
which have 14 frames endlag and always get punished again and even harder lol
6:57 rushdown mains : *say no more*
1:25 uhh..... Zard is actually NOT a dragon. It's just a flying lizard😅
Well until it mega evolves😂
I'm a pokemon trainer main so now I know what to avoid doing :)
Agreed
Ivysaur Lover
I’m also a Pokémon trainer main, wanna run a few games? For practice?
you are the the most underrated youtuber, you will get 1 million subscribers just wait.
Ivysaur is the only one that gives me issues. Squirtle and Charizard are not hard for me to figure out.
Nice. I hope the next "How to Beat" will be on Wario. The world need it ;)
Elliott Biehler it need it much
Ok. Maybe I’ll do that next
Waft mains are dangerous
No Wario is the waft
Okay so basically no counterplay to withdraw other than a footstool...which on WiFi...yeah
You coming back anytime soon?
Thank you so much. I didn’t see the video. I’m wondering did the 7.0 download effect your mains at all?
Not my first main, Link. But my second main, Zelda, got buffed, and that’s been great!
TravPlay Ok
Ivysaur is my main issue smh
Ok then, just punish him for doing literally anything that isn’t fair or bair and your good (also don’t be on a platform above him you’re gone and also mix up your recovery so the dair doesn’t hit and also don’t attack his shie- ok I see why your struggling :|)
I’ll try to beat one guy online and I could punch squirtle with Kazuya, but hi is very small
Yeah haha
my favorite is
Ivysaur
Me sees people saying congrats on a 1000 subs me sees 2000 subs
This characters busted
And cringe