I grew up in Arizona in the 70's and 80's. I've mtn biked, backpacked, kayaker, sailed and driven just about everywhere. I never thought some guy from San Diego would teach me about so many cool spots in my state. Thank you
The German prisoners arrived in the United States, and on the long train ride to Arizona, they were astonished at the immensity of the United States, and as their train seemed to go on and on, they realized that the war was lost.
Exactly . This notion that the Germans had any chance in hell of conquering America isn’t based in reality. They never had the manpower or resources to even attempt a raid, let alone full on subjugation.
According to local lore, the last POW made it to a bar in downtown PHX. He finally turned himself in due to lack of food and now aware the Salt, Gila and Colorado rivers would not get him to Mexico. Others lasted longer in partially dug mining tunnels on what was called Squaw Peak . I have been in some of them and are open along some trails even today.
I wonder just how many were fluent in English, or even Spanish. Being isolated thousands of miles from home in a country where one could not communicate with other people would definitely be a challenge few -- if any -- could overcome.
I use to live by a prisoner camp and the buildings were still there until 20 yrs ago. But the few buildings that were left were moved. Original area around Scottsdale Rd and Thomas.
For those interested in checking out this area and it's history, you can still find the foundation for one of the guard towers between thr NTL Guard building and the baseball fields. That and the Elks Lodge are the only two physical things left from the camp.
In Windsor, CA there also was a German POW camp. Except there the prisoners were “farmed out” to local plum orchards and vineyards during harvest time. Some prisoners “escaped” to go to San Francisco to see the sights, but called back to the camp, for a return ride)) The German POW’s held at Windsor had a better life than being on the Eastern Front. Several POW’s emigrated back to this area of Sonoma County after the end of WW2. You can see pictures of the camp at the Windsor history museum, just off Hwy. 101. I learned about this camp from a former camp guard back in 1980.
hey, do you remember a teenager shot in the '70s in Windsor, his name was Joey Morino, and He was my cousin? Small town. That's when it had a groceries store and a Circle K. I knew about this story 10 years ago
There was a similar camp in a place called El Rio and unincorporated area in Oxnard and Ventura county. They would farm them out to the farming communities in Ventura county in Santa Barbara county and many of them stayed. They saw a good life here apparently.
@@lisahamilton5090 Thanks for your reply. Most people don’t know history or are not interested. Do you live in Ventura County? My great grandfather planted the Morton Bay fig tree in Santa Paula, to commemorate the birth of his daughter Cecil on July 4, 1879.
Steve, I've gotta say you've come up with some interesting stuff, but this is really fascinating! It's a shame it's not been a little more publicized! Thanks!👍
The best thing about not discovering this channel long ago is getting to watch all of the old videos! I'll make sure I give them a few more bucks after the first of the year cuz I love these videos!
When I lived in Germany for 8 years one of my neighbors was an elderly German man that was a POW in the US during WW2, but anyhow my neighbor had no animosities of the past and explained that he was treated like a celebrity but was afraid to return home to Germany after the war ended due to the fear of being assassinated, despite he returned home a year after the war ended.
For a lot of Germans there was nothing in Germany to go back to.Lots of it was bombed into nothing. My family came to the U.S. after living in the burned out basement of their house in Berlin for two long years of next to no food and clean water. My Great-grandfather made a house out of a wooden boxcar he bought from the railroad.
Good video. I was born and raised and still live in 1/2 mile away from this monument. I ride by it a couple days a month. We learned about this escape in Arizona history class in high school.
This is really amazing. I'm an Aussie that moved to Phoenix about 8 years ago. It's so dang hot, I don't get explore as much as I'd like. I'm trying to get my 8 year old out to explore and this is the perfect short journey. It's an amazing story and a bit of history I had no idea about. Thanks mate, love your content.
As someone who lives in that area and does construction, including the building of the Arizona Historical Museum near there. Let me say this. digging 178' thru that dirt is impressive.
I had to view this one despite knowing the area as well as anyone. I grew up in this neighborhood and still run all over the park. It is still quite a large area. The ramadas in the actual park were built by the CCC. Governor Hunt and his family are all interned in the pyramid within the park. He was I believe an 8 term governor and the tomb is lit up at night. My grandkids night hike with me regularly when in town and some hikes can last well over a couple hours as I know all the extended trails. Two of them are 6th generation Arizonans. Everyone gets a headlamp and off we go. The lakes in the park were part of a fish hatchery and extend into the Phoenix Zoo. Needless to say I fished many a day there with amazing results during the late 60s and into the 80s. The lakes then had lily pads, frogs, abundant stocks of Bass Crappie, catfish and sunfish varieties.as well as clean water. Now I fish the canals. Most of the homes in the area were built in the mid 50s and the 60s. The park also had much wildlife, as a kid I saw rattlesnakes, chuckawallas, racoon, skunk, mule deer, coyotes, owls, bobcat and more. There are even some pottery shards to be found occasionally. Regardless I like your videos and have been to a fair number of places you have visited. I gold prospect and have some excellent claims in the Bradshaws near Prescott. Best of luck and keep on adventuring.
How interesting. Both sets of grandparents lived in Phoenix at the time. How I wish they were still around to ask about this event. Thank you for highlighting this interesting history.
Your videos are refreshing informal but always interesting and educational. I was born in SD County and I knew the area well. Keep up the good work Steve.
I went to see this just yesterday. I came from New York to visit family in Arizona and made this my first stop on my trip. My cousin and her husband were quite interested. Great video.
Thanks for this video. I had heard of this but never really knew much about it. You always do so much with so little in these video stories. Not much left and yet you are able to find the small marker and the lone building left. Thanks again.
I read an article about this years ago - thanks for the link to the book! There were German and Italian WWII POW camps all over the U.S. . . . There were some out in Western Nebraska where my mom grew up.
two of the barracks buildings from that camp are in the back lot of the city of Tempe , Former Mayors Mother purchased them years ago to build a museum with them, unfortunately she passed before it could be done.
Legend City, and the original Compton Terrace, which involved singer Stevie Nicks's father! Also nearby was the ballpark for the Phoenix Giants of the Pacific Coast League! Occasionally, you could go to a ballgame followed by a concert! Jimmy Buffett played there, The Police, many more! Great time to be living in The Valley! 😎✌️
Down your way in San Diego County at Campo, there was a German/Italian POW camp established in 1944 at Camp Lockett. I haven’t been to Campo in some years so I don’t know what still exists of Camp Lockett. I think that area was designated as a historical landmark.
I was in the area somewhat recently, but didn't get a chance to check it out so I'm not sure how much of it is accessible. There's a shrine for the Italian POWs located by there too. Going to look into it.
WentCamp Locket about 1978 or9 for some volunteer firefighter training. Knew was built to defend the border in WW 2, did not know it was a pow camp . Wow.
My father used to get these World War II magazines, and I ended up reading the articles and one of the articles about this. Glad you’re telling people.
I have know about this for a while and have explored the area. Near the baseball fields you can find cement stumps from one of the towers that was there. It may have been a guard/watch tower and I have pictures of that and other building related material. Good video.
Lived in the PHX area for 30 years before moving away, never even heard of a WWII POW camp in the region let alone, at the park where I played softball at for years being part of the camp. My mind is blown. Thank you for these videos, I always learn something.
Interesting video. I knew about this incident but did not know there was a marker. I've biked right past it before without knowing. The mountain you point out, that some of the POWs fled to, is Camelback Mountain, probably the best known landmark of Phoenix.
The old camp was located next to where the National Guard armory is located now and a portion of it is actually under the baseball fields there were subsequently built there. As far as I know, though, the present neighborhood area was not actually part of the camp. All that remains is one or two of the footings from one of the guard towers but be aware that if you go look for it, you're probably gonna get greeted by a couple of guard soldiers asking what you're doing milling around behind their base. The marker is not too far from there and accessible by parking in a cul du sac in the local neighborhood. The big mountain you showed is Camelback mountain. The smaller ones are part of what are collectively known as the Papago buttes. You need to do a story on the the Japanese relocation camp outside Maricopa. However, you will need permission since its on reservation land. There is a monument (which has decayed pretty badly) there and the foundation of several buildings as well as a water tank, but otherwise it was torn down as soon as the war was over. One famous occupant, for a time, was "Pat" Morita (otherwise most known for his role as "Mr Miyagi") when he was a young boy, before he and his family were transferred at their request to Washington State (I think) to be with family. It's a sad tale from history but one that needs to be remembered. Note that the order was drawn up quite some time before it actually happened. Pearl Harbor was not the genesis. Rather, it was the excuse.
Steve, I saw your episode on the ridge route in ca. but the highway was actually called the Golden State Highway. The ridge route is in the hills east of interstate 5.
This was the Ridge Route Alternate. It was created as an additional road to the Ridge Route, but people used the new road more. The name Golden State Highway didn't come till later.
When I lived in Scottsdale, I met and spoke to the artist who designed this monument. If you get back to Scottsdale sometime, there is a small marker on the bike path at the triple point where Scottsdale, Tempe & Phoenix all meet. It is located on the same crosscut bike path after you go through the tunnel under McDowell Rd.
ThNk you for the great history of the POW camp. I am always looking for history in Arizona. I post on my channel of the history that I find though out Arizona. This is a really great peace of history that i was not aware of. Thank you so much for the great videos.
Wow, I've been in the Phoenix area for a while now and didn't even realize it had a WWII history. Like you, I am a WWII buff, so I'll definitely be picking up this book. Thank you for that recommendation and for the video!
I enjoy your videos very much. I discovered a story about a man who lived in San Diego County. His last name is the same as mine, Cross. Could you do a video about Earnest Cross? Here’s some text from a website forgotten destinations. They are telling about Ballarat, CA. In 1903 Radcliff Mine suspended its operations and the towns start fading into history. Soon afterward, other mines began to fold as the gold played out. The post office closed in 1917 and the only remaining residents were a few die-hard prospectors including Shorty Harris, who lived here on and off until his death in 1934. In the summer of 1904, Harris partnered with a man named Ernest "Ed" Cross and on August 9th, they discovered the Bullfrog Mining District. The way the story is told as two partners were to head out for a day, Ed was cooking breakfast when one of Shorty's mules took off . Shorty run chasing after the mule , he stubbed his toe on a rock and fell down. As he was getting up, he looked around before letting out a yell: "There it is, the strike of the century! Forget the breakfast Eddie, let’s get to a Goldfield and get this assayed!" "Incredibly, the ore samples came back to be worth $3,000 per ton and Shorty wasted no time going to the saloon to celebrate. While Shorty is on a binge for almost a week, Ed was working on lining up a sale for the mining rights. Unfortunately, Shorty would come out on the "short-end" of this great find as while he was "celebrating," he gambled away his share for $1,000 and a mule to a man named J.W. McGaliard. His partner Cross, however, joined with McGaliard and formed the Original Bullfrog Mine. Later, Ed sold his share for $25,000 and he and his wife bought a big ranch in Escondido, California" Thank you.
Very interesting. I liked that there was a reunion of the former guards and surviving prisoners. And that those older gentlemen where treated to a trip to the Colorado River so they could see how far the escapees would have had to walk before they might make another raft this time of reeds and float to Mexico and possible freedom :) Remember Mexico had a fighter squadron that was in the Pacific against the Japanese. Mexico was an ally and might have returned them if caught.
I knew about the Japanese interment camps as there was one in the Catalina mountains north of Tucson on the way to Mt. Lemmon, but I didn’t know about Nazis being held in Arizona. Thanks for the video!
Lived in Az all my life, been in that area many times, never knew about this. Thanks for the education, FYI the g in saguaro is pronounced like an h. Another great video.
I grew up in that part of Scottsdale, just a 1/2 mile south of where you are. I had always thought the camp was on the other side of the Buttes (named Papago Buttes) and that mountain is Camelback Mountain. I grew up on the other side of Mcdowell. We would ride our bikes all the time to Papago Park, the Phoenix Zoo and there is a place called Hole in the Rock. I hope while you were there you got to visit the Botanical Garden which is really nice. All of this within a bike ride of where you are at. We learned about the prison camp in school. This was in the 60's & 70's. I think there is still an Army Base there which has a lot of helicopters. I don't know as I have not lived there for over 30 years.
I lived in Phoenix for many years and a knew about this story. They didn't know that the Salt River doesn't actually have water in it. Thank you for the interesting history.
I have that on my list of places to visit. I haven't done much research on it yet so I'm not sure what all is accessible, but I did see there was an Italian POW monument there too.
It was there that the last American horse cavalry trained, though they were shifted to armor and infantry before being sent to Europe. Huell Howser once did an episode on Campo with some of the surviving 10th Cavalry veterans. I suspect the POW camp was there because the area was swarming with American soldiers so escape was very unlikely.
I’ve spent most of the last 30 years shooting the National Highpower Rifle Championships at Camp Perry Ohio. Much of the competitor housing on post were the original huts used to house Italian (and I believe, some German) POWs during the war. From the history there, the prisoners were given the opportunity to work for local farmers in the area, and a great many chose to do so. During my time in the army, I was stationed at Ft. Campbell, KY. In an area on post known as Clarksville Base, there is a small cemetery. The graves there are comprised entirely of German POWs who died during their internment there during the WWII period. There were quite a few small camps like this scattered all across the USA.
Been watching these presentations. I am Welsh. There was a mass escape from a camp near Bridgend (Island Farm) when 84 German POW's escaped. in March 44. Some of them were awaiting to stand trial at Nuremberg . There is a claim that 3 were not recaptured. There is a book about this as well. I am also reminded of the excellent film The One That Got Away.
Great video, be sure to check out the military museum there on the base, it has a diorama and more info on the prison camp. The museum has lots of Arizona history.
Even though the German military prisoners were being kept in the middle of the Arizona desert, I have all ideas that their quality of life was far superior to ANY Allied prisoner being held in Germany.
Steve, thanks for this fascinating nugget of history. I am working in Az. I am always looking for interesting places to visit. I will add this to the list.
Fascinating! It's my understanding that WWII POWs were supposed to be held in a climate similar to that where they'd been captured. So, perhaps these Germans were from the Afrika Korps?
Hello from Phoenix. I’ve lived here all my life and I didn’t know anything about this. I grew up in central Phoenix near the 51 and Bethany home Road then I live many years near PV mall now I live in North Central Phoenix near I 17 and Jomax. Great video thanks!
Papago Park is in Phoenix, not Scottsdale. My father was stationed there with the cavalry (yes, horses) prior to WWII. It was later turned into the POW camp.
Here in California we have Manzanar Internment camp, which is very well known, but I never heard of this story before. Phoenix, even back 30 years ago was a pretty spread out area, I can only imagine what it must have looked like back in 1944. Those prisoners must have looked out over the desert, saw no water in the river and said to themselves "wir werden sterben"
From what I understand, the Geneva Convention required that that prisoners of war be held in a similar climate to that in which they were captured. When I first heard this story, I thought that maybe these German POW's were captured in North Africa, or something (as many of these POW's were sent to Texas)... but no, (according to Wikipedia) many of these POW's were crew from captured U-boats.
Our neighbors when we lived in NM was a German POW in Mesilla. After the war he was able to stay and work at Stahmann farms taking care of pecan trees.
German POWs started coming into the US after Rommel surrendered in North Africa. England was unable to house and feed them all. There were many camps, some were very small like the one here in my hometown in WI, and some were quite large. In the 1960's, my mother worked with one of the POWs who was not sent back to Germany (many petitioned to stay here but only a small percentage was allowed to stay). This man was a supervisor at a local factory and she said he still acted like a Nazi!
@@sinjin6219 wrong, Britain was responsible for British and commonwealth captured prisoners, the US was responsible for US captured prisoners, neither wanted massive numbers of prisoners held in France after D-Day, for the US German prisoners were used as shipping ballast in supply ships making the return journey back to the US. Prior to using prisoners as ballast we used air raid rubble from England, which was used to reclaim land around New York City.
@@johnlafever3162 wrong. Just as the pow's were used to ballast supply ships returning from Europe the pow's were sent back as ballast on troop carriers which were going to Europe to bring US troops back to the US. Empty ships don't sail very well.
The Elks Lodge was the Officer’s Club! Lol of course it was. Awesome bit of WWII history for Americans to touch! Had no idea we had German POWs in Arizona, awesome story! 178 feet through the desert ain’t no joke - that’s some German engineering right there lol!
@@SidetrackAdventures They ( the guards ) may have known about the digging and allowed it to keep the Germans busy, and out of trouble. POWs would be making sure that while they were digging that other prisoner would not be stirring up trouble. just an opinion.
I gotta say... it's quite surreal heading to the Papago area to hike, bike, climb up the rocks or head to the zoo knowing about the history of the immediate area. Really good research on this one but I have to ask... did you get your Chino Bandido? 😅 Actually thought about popping by there this weekend but lacked the time.
There is a 0% chance of us ever going to the Phoenix area without stopping by Chino Bandido haha. We got dinner there on Saturday. First time at the new location.
Great interesting post. After scrub survival outdoors in Arizona I bet the POW camp with it's water + bread rations seemed like luxury. Fanatical Nazi's are people you don't ever want loose in your home area.
There were several PW camps in Canada. One was at Grande Ligne Quebec,a former boarding school. In the 1960s I was a student there. And it too had a escape tunnel but the RCMP caught the lot
I had a client who was conscripted into the German army in World War II. He was captured by American forces and wound up in a POW camp on the East Coast. He managed to escape and somehow made his way to New York City. So, here he was, a teenager, scared, wanting to get back home. He went to some bar or club near the docks and was able to find someone who was supposedly taking a ship of goods to Europe (maybe Germany but it would at least be closer than he was now.) The guy agreed to take him if he showed up the following morning. The next morning, he went there and, while walking up to the bar or club, a man in an overcoat approached him, identified himself as an FBI agent and took him into custody. He was going to drive him back to the POW camp after interviewing him. My client said he was a really nice guy, probably around 35. They even stopped for hamburgers on the way since the FBI guy knew he must be hungry. When he arrived back at the POW camp, they just returned him back to his barrack. He was flabbergasted. He expected very harsh treatment but it never came. Anyway, the war ended a few months later and he was repatriated. He told me that, after the war, he realized how lucky he was that he wasn't captured by the Russians!
That is Camelback mountain to the north and the red rocky ones behind the military facility are the Papago Buttes. Saguaro is pronounced swaro and is the tall cactus with the multiple arms indigenous to the Sonoran desert.
Truth be told, or at least in my humble opinion, I’d venture to say more of our countrymen and countrywomen know about the German pow’s great escape attempt to a dry river bed versus the number of individuals that know about the many interment “concentration” camps that American Japanese citizens found themselves being sent to following Japan’s “unprovoked surprise” attack on our pacific fleet stationed at Pearl Harbor on 07.12.41! None the less, I thoroughly appreciate the effort and the knowledge gained similar to a program I enjoyed watching decades ago on orange county local tv channel called Californias Gold with Huel Houser as the host with his beloved camera guy Louie.
Another excellent and well-researched video by Steve on a little known but very interesting episode from past history. I keep thinking Steve is a retired History teacher. The only small correction I would make to this video is it's incorrect to continually call these escapees "Nazis". They were German conscriptees into the Nazi war machine led by Adolph Hitler, true, but very FEW of the German soldiers or people were members of the Nazi Party, less than 10% of the population. Refusal to serve in the Wehrmacht, or any of the armed forces was punishable by DEATH. it adds some drama to the narrative to call the escaped prisoners "Nazis", but it's almost certain that few, if any of them, actually were Nazis.
Many people that lives here in AZ don’t know how rich in history this state is. I’ve been living here since 2007 and still finding out historical history here and there.
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I grew up in Arizona in the 70's and 80's. I've mtn biked, backpacked, kayaker, sailed and driven just about everywhere. I never thought some guy from San Diego would teach me about so many cool spots in my state. Thank you
As much time that he spends here in Arizona, I think he's wanting to be a closet Arizonian 🤣
The German prisoners arrived in the United States, and on the long train ride to Arizona, they were astonished at the immensity of the United States, and as their train seemed to go on and on, they realized that the war was lost.
Exactly . This notion that the Germans had any chance in hell of conquering America isn’t based in reality. They never had the manpower or resources to even attempt a raid, let alone full on subjugation.
According to local lore, the last POW made it to a bar in downtown PHX. He finally turned himself in due to lack of food and now aware the Salt, Gila and Colorado rivers would not get him to Mexico. Others lasted longer in partially dug mining tunnels on what was called Squaw Peak . I have been in some of them and are open along some trails even today.
I wonder just how many were fluent in English, or even Spanish. Being isolated thousands of miles from home in a country where one could not communicate with other people would definitely be a challenge few -- if any -- could overcome.
Seems at least 25 of them didn't realise that.
Plus they learned how great cheese danish is!
I'm a Phoenix native so I've always known the story. Thanks for sharing it in such a detailed manner, big thumbs up.
Thank you.
I use to live by a prisoner camp and the buildings were still there until 20 yrs ago. But the few buildings that were left were moved. Original area around Scottsdale Rd and Thomas.
For those interested in checking out this area and it's history, you can still find the foundation for one of the guard towers between thr NTL Guard building and the baseball fields. That and the Elks Lodge are the only two physical things left from the camp.
In Windsor, CA there also was a German POW camp. Except there the prisoners were “farmed out” to local plum orchards and vineyards during harvest time. Some prisoners “escaped” to go to San Francisco to see the sights, but called back to the camp, for a return ride)) The German POW’s held at Windsor had a better life than being on the Eastern Front. Several POW’s emigrated back to this area of Sonoma County after the end of WW2. You can see pictures of the camp at the Windsor history museum, just off Hwy. 101. I learned about this camp from a former camp guard back in 1980.
hey, do you remember a teenager shot in the '70s in Windsor, his name was Joey Morino, and He was my cousin? Small town. That's when it had a groceries store and a Circle K. I knew about this story 10 years ago
If those POWs got 3 hots & a cot alone, they came out ahead of the men who were at Stalingrad.
There was a similar camp in a place called El Rio and unincorporated area in Oxnard and Ventura county. They would farm them out to the farming communities in Ventura county in Santa Barbara county and many of them stayed. They saw a good life here apparently.
@@lisahamilton5090 Thanks for your reply. Most people don’t know history or are not interested. Do you live in Ventura County? My great grandfather planted the Morton Bay fig tree in Santa Paula, to commemorate the birth of his daughter Cecil on July 4, 1879.
“Some the prisoners ‘Escaped’ to San Francisco…”
Did one if them change their name to Pelosi? 🥸
Steve, I've gotta say you've come up with some interesting stuff, but this is really fascinating! It's a shame it's not been a little more publicized! Thanks!👍
The best thing about not discovering this channel long ago is getting to watch all of the old videos! I'll make sure I give them a few more bucks after the first of the year cuz I love these videos!
When I lived in Germany for 8 years one of my neighbors was an elderly German man that was a POW in the US during WW2, but anyhow my neighbor had no animosities of the past and explained that he was treated like a celebrity but was afraid to return home to Germany after the war ended due to the fear of being assassinated, despite he returned home a year after the war ended.
For a lot of Germans there was nothing in Germany to go back to.Lots of it was bombed into nothing. My family came to the U.S. after living in the burned out basement of their house in Berlin for two long years of next to no food and clean water. My Great-grandfather made a house out of a wooden boxcar he bought from the railroad.
Good video. I was born and raised and still live in 1/2 mile away from this monument. I ride by it a couple days a month. We learned about this escape in Arizona history class in high school.
This is really amazing. I'm an Aussie that moved to Phoenix about 8 years ago. It's so dang hot, I don't get explore as much as I'd like. I'm trying to get my 8 year old out to explore and this is the perfect short journey. It's an amazing story and a bit of history I had no idea about. Thanks mate, love your content.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
As someone who lives in that area and does construction, including the building of the Arizona Historical Museum near there. Let me say this. digging 178' thru that dirt is impressive.
I had to view this one despite knowing the area as well as anyone. I grew up in this neighborhood and still run all over the park. It is still quite a large area. The ramadas in the actual park were built by the CCC. Governor Hunt and his family are all interned in the pyramid within the park. He was I believe an 8 term governor and the tomb is lit up at night. My grandkids night hike with me regularly when in town and some hikes can last well over a couple hours as I know all the extended trails. Two of them are 6th generation Arizonans. Everyone gets a headlamp and off we go. The lakes in the park were part of a fish hatchery and extend into the Phoenix Zoo. Needless to say I fished many a day there with amazing results during the late 60s and into the 80s. The lakes then had lily pads, frogs, abundant stocks of Bass Crappie, catfish and sunfish varieties.as well as clean water. Now I fish the canals. Most of the homes in the area were built in the mid 50s and the 60s. The park also had much wildlife, as a kid I saw rattlesnakes, chuckawallas, racoon, skunk, mule deer, coyotes, owls, bobcat and more. There are even some pottery shards to be found occasionally. Regardless I like your videos and have been to a fair number of places you have visited. I gold prospect and have some excellent claims in the Bradshaws near Prescott. Best of luck and keep on adventuring.
this is what is so great about you videos. I would never have heard of these cool spots. thanks!
How interesting. Both sets of grandparents lived in Phoenix at the time. How I wish they were still around to ask about this event. Thank you for highlighting this interesting history.
Your videos are refreshing informal but always interesting and educational. I was born in SD County and I knew the area well. Keep up the good work Steve.
I went to see this just yesterday. I came from New York to visit family in Arizona and made this my first stop on my trip. My cousin and her husband were quite interested. Great video.
Thanks for this video. I had heard of this but never really knew much about it. You always do so much with so little in these video stories. Not much left and yet you are able to find the small marker and the lone building left. Thanks again.
I read an article about this years ago - thanks for the link to the book!
There were German and Italian WWII POW camps all over the U.S. . . . There were some out in Western Nebraska where my mom grew up.
two of the barracks buildings from that camp are in the back lot of the city of Tempe , Former Mayors Mother purchased them years ago to build a museum with them, unfortunately she passed before it could be done.
Oh wow, I didn't know that.
@@SidetrackAdventures I have worked for tempe 21 yrs
As a Tempe resident, I am very interested to see these. Which lot? I can not think it would of been moved to the new one off Priest, no?
This was a fun story. I lived 1 year in Phoenix, and remember Papago park & Ledgend City, an amusement park near by!
Legend City, and the original Compton Terrace, which involved singer Stevie Nicks's father! Also nearby was the ballpark for the Phoenix Giants of the Pacific Coast League! Occasionally, you could go to a ballgame followed by a concert! Jimmy Buffett played there, The Police, many more! Great time to be living in The Valley! 😎✌️
Down your way in San Diego County at Campo, there was a German/Italian POW camp established in 1944 at Camp Lockett. I haven’t been to Campo in some years so I don’t know what still exists of Camp Lockett. I think that area was designated as a historical landmark.
I was in the area somewhat recently, but didn't get a chance to check it out so I'm not sure how much of it is accessible. There's a shrine for the Italian POWs located by there too. Going to look into it.
WentCamp Locket about 1978 or9 for some volunteer firefighter training. Knew was built to defend the border in WW 2, did not know it was a pow camp . Wow.
My father used to get these World War II magazines, and I ended up reading the articles and one of the articles about this. Glad you’re telling people.
I have know about this for a while and have explored the area. Near the baseball fields you can find cement stumps from one of the towers that was there. It may have been a guard/watch tower and I have pictures of that and other building related material. Good video.
It is a guard tower. Inside the doorway of the Elks Lodge Is a map of the POW camp. You can correlate it's location to a tower on the map.
Very interesting story Steve, I really appreciate your work, thank you
Lived in the PHX area for 30 years before moving away, never even heard of a WWII POW camp in the region let alone, at the park where I played softball at for years being part of the camp. My mind is blown. Thank you for these videos, I always learn something.
there was also a japanese pow camp outside of casa grand arizona as well
Very interesting presentation about a site in our backyard here in the Phoenix area. I would have never known about it. Thank you for sharing.
Great video! I have heard of this escape, but I didn't realize that it was in Scottsdale. I thought that it was in the Tucson area.
I learn so much from your channel. Thanks for sharing.
Interesting video. I knew about this incident but did not know there was a marker. I've biked right past it before without knowing. The mountain you point out, that some of the POWs fled to, is Camelback Mountain, probably the best known landmark of Phoenix.
The old camp was located next to where the National Guard armory is located now and a portion of it is actually under the baseball fields there were subsequently built there. As far as I know, though, the present neighborhood area was not actually part of the camp. All that remains is one or two of the footings from one of the guard towers but be aware that if you go look for it, you're probably gonna get greeted by a couple of guard soldiers asking what you're doing milling around behind their base. The marker is not too far from there and accessible by parking in a cul du sac in the local neighborhood. The big mountain you showed is Camelback mountain. The smaller ones are part of what are collectively known as the Papago buttes.
You need to do a story on the the Japanese relocation camp outside Maricopa. However, you will need permission since its on reservation land. There is a monument (which has decayed pretty badly) there and the foundation of several buildings as well as a water tank, but otherwise it was torn down as soon as the war was over. One famous occupant, for a time, was "Pat" Morita (otherwise most known for his role as "Mr Miyagi") when he was a young boy, before he and his family were transferred at their request to Washington State (I think) to be with family. It's a sad tale from history but one that needs to be remembered. Note that the order was drawn up quite some time before it actually happened. Pearl Harbor was not the genesis. Rather, it was the excuse.
Steve, I saw your episode on the ridge route in ca. but the highway was actually called the Golden State Highway. The ridge route is in the hills east of interstate 5.
This was the Ridge Route Alternate. It was created as an additional road to the Ridge Route, but people used the new road more. The name Golden State Highway didn't come till later.
When I lived in Scottsdale, I met and spoke to the artist who designed this monument. If you get back to Scottsdale sometime, there is a small marker on the bike path at the triple point where Scottsdale, Tempe & Phoenix all meet. It is located on the same crosscut bike path after you go through the tunnel under McDowell Rd.
Excellent documentary. Very interesting. I never knew.
Thank you for sharing, I'd never heard of this.
ThNk you for the great history of the POW camp. I am always looking for history in Arizona. I post on my channel of the history that I find though out Arizona. This is a really great peace of history that i was not aware of. Thank you so much for the great videos.
Heading to Scottsdale later this month. Hope to look up this hidden monument. Thanks for the info!
Wow, I've been in the Phoenix area for a while now and didn't even realize it had a WWII history. Like you, I am a WWII buff, so I'll definitely be picking up this book. Thank you for that recommendation and for the video!
I enjoy your videos very much. I discovered a story about a man who lived in San Diego County. His last name is the same as mine, Cross. Could you do a video about Earnest Cross? Here’s some text from a website forgotten destinations. They are telling about Ballarat, CA.
In 1903 Radcliff Mine suspended its operations and the towns start fading into history. Soon afterward, other mines began to fold as the gold played out. The post office closed in 1917 and the only remaining residents were a few die-hard prospectors including Shorty Harris, who lived here on and off until his death in 1934.
In the summer of 1904, Harris partnered with a man named Ernest "Ed" Cross and on August 9th, they discovered the Bullfrog Mining District. The way the story is told as two partners were to head out for a day, Ed was cooking breakfast when one of Shorty's mules took off . Shorty run chasing after the mule , he stubbed his toe on a rock and fell down. As he was getting up, he looked around before letting out a yell: "There it is, the strike of the century! Forget the breakfast Eddie, let’s get to a Goldfield and get this assayed!" "Incredibly, the ore samples came back to be worth $3,000 per ton and Shorty wasted no time going to the saloon to celebrate. While Shorty is on a binge for almost a week, Ed was working on lining up a sale for the mining rights. Unfortunately, Shorty would come out on the "short-end" of this great find as while he was "celebrating," he gambled away his share for $1,000 and a mule to a man named J.W. McGaliard. His partner Cross, however, joined with McGaliard and formed the Original Bullfrog Mine. Later, Ed sold his share for $25,000 and he and his wife bought a big ranch in Escondido, California"
Thank you.
I have Bullfrog on a list of places i want to visit, but not sure when I'll get out that way.
Very interesting. I liked that there was a reunion of the former guards and surviving prisoners. And that those older gentlemen where treated to a trip to the Colorado River so they could see how far the escapees would have had to walk before they might make another raft this time of reeds and float to Mexico and possible freedom :) Remember Mexico had a fighter squadron that was in the Pacific against the Japanese. Mexico was an ally and might have returned them if caught.
Wow, ty for introducing this history to us. You do an amazing job on your vids❤
I knew about the Japanese interment camps as there was one in the Catalina mountains north of Tucson on the way to Mt. Lemmon, but I didn’t know about Nazis being held in Arizona. Thanks for the video!
There were also Italian POW camps in Az.
@@tootz1950 Didn’t know that, now I gotta research! 👍🏼
Lived in Az all my life, been in that area many times, never knew about this. Thanks for the education, FYI the g in saguaro is pronounced like an h. Another great video.
I grew up in that part of Scottsdale, just a 1/2 mile south of where you are. I had always thought the camp was on the other side of the Buttes (named Papago Buttes) and that mountain is Camelback Mountain. I grew up on the other side of Mcdowell. We would ride our bikes all the time to Papago Park, the Phoenix Zoo and there is a place called Hole in the Rock. I hope while you were there you got to visit the Botanical Garden which is really nice. All of this within a bike ride of where you are at. We learned about the prison camp in school. This was in the 60's & 70's. I think there is still an Army Base there which has a lot of helicopters. I don't know as I have not lived there for over 30 years.
Great job!!, love to hear about this history there.
I knew about POWs in the desert from watching the movie Captain Newman M.D. . They were just a sub plot. Thanks for a great video.
As an Arizona native the fact nothing remains really is irritating 😠. We love to bulldoze history here for the next new shiny thing.
@pcs9518.."SHINY"??.Corporate STUCCO, ya mean..UGH.., & "WE"..??, Speak 4 yerself, Poindxtr..
Fascinating video. Thanks!
I lived in Phoenix for many years and a knew about this story. They didn't know that the Salt River doesn't actually have water in it. Thank you for the interesting history.
The Salt River doesn't have water in it? Since when?
@@tootz1950 I think I said that wrong. The Salt River rarely has water in it by the time it get to Phoenix.
@@sandyzalecki1145 Ah, yeah that happens to us all sometimes when typing. As I'm out of country I was worried. Ty.
That is really interesting. I never knew this
I learned something today, I live in Arizona and I never knew this about the Nazi's prisoners in AZ, interesting story, Thanks. THE SARGE
Wow !! I lived in Phoenix most of my life ,I never heard this. Thank You.😊
Camp Lockett in Campo CA housed Italian POWs during WWII. It also had been a training camp for the Buffalo Soldiers.
I have that on my list of places to visit. I haven't done much research on it yet so I'm not sure what all is accessible, but I did see there was an Italian POW monument there too.
It was there that the last American horse cavalry trained, though they were shifted to armor and infantry before being sent to Europe. Huell Howser once did an episode on Campo with some of the surviving 10th Cavalry veterans. I suspect the POW camp was there because the area was swarming with American soldiers so escape was very unlikely.
There's a monument to the Buffalo Soldiers at Fort Huachuca (wah-choo-ka) near Sierra Vista, AZ 😎✌️
I didn’t know. Thank you. Very interesting.
Wow… I had no idea we had a POW camp here. Thanks for sharing!
My mother lives in Mesa, not very far from this monument. Really cool sir.
Excellent. I’ve probably gone by it a hundred times without knowing it. I’ll go by on my next visit to Phoenix
Obviously they didn't understand what the things we call "rivers" in the Southwest really are.
Awesome video, Az native here! Going to check this area out immediately !!!
Awesome. Its pretty cool to see but I bet most people pass by it without ever noticing its there!
I’ve spent most of the last 30 years shooting the National Highpower Rifle Championships at Camp Perry Ohio. Much of the competitor housing on post were the original huts used to house Italian (and I believe, some German) POWs during the war. From the history there, the prisoners were given the opportunity to work for local farmers in the area, and a great many chose to do so. During my time in the army, I was stationed at Ft. Campbell, KY. In an area on post known as Clarksville Base, there is a small cemetery. The graves there are comprised entirely of German POWs who died during their internment there during the WWII period. There were quite a few small camps like this scattered all across the USA.
Been watching these presentations. I am Welsh. There was a mass escape from a camp near Bridgend (Island Farm) when 84 German POW's escaped. in March 44. Some of them were awaiting to stand trial at Nuremberg . There is a claim that 3 were not recaptured. There is a book about this as well. I am also reminded of the excellent film The One That Got Away.
I live right down the road from there and never new this, I knew that we had POW camps here in the states, but didn't know of this one in Scottsdale.
Great video, be sure to check out the military museum there on the base, it has a diorama and more info on the prison camp. The museum has lots of Arizona history.
Even though the German military prisoners were being kept in the middle of the Arizona desert, I have all ideas that their quality of life was far superior to ANY Allied prisoner being held in Germany.
Steve, thanks for this fascinating nugget of history. I am working in Az. I am always looking for interesting places to visit. I will add this to the list.
Fascinating! It's my understanding that WWII POWs were supposed to be held in a climate similar to that where they'd been captured. So, perhaps these Germans were from the Afrika Korps?
Most of the prisoners at Papago Park were from the German navy.
@@SidetrackAdventures Wow! I stand corrected!
From the Afrika Corps that’s hilarious.
Thank you for the video.
You really have the best show on TH-cam.
I don't know about that, but thank you.
Hello from Phoenix. I’ve lived here all my life and I didn’t know anything about this. I grew up in central Phoenix near the 51 and Bethany home Road then I live many years near PV mall now I live in North Central Phoenix near I 17 and Jomax. Great video thanks!
Papago Park is in Phoenix, not Scottsdale. My father was stationed there with the cavalry (yes, horses) prior to WWII. It was later turned into the POW camp.
Here in California we have Manzanar Internment camp, which is very well known, but I never heard of this story before. Phoenix, even back 30 years ago was a pretty spread out area, I can only imagine what it must have looked like back in 1944. Those prisoners must have looked out over the desert, saw no water in the river and said to themselves "wir werden sterben"
The Great Escape in reverse go figure!! Love your passion and personal take!
52nd and McDowell Rd military reservation was a Territorial prison back at the 1800's. I flew out of there for years.
From what I understand, the Geneva Convention required that that prisoners of war be held in a similar climate to that in which they were captured. When I first heard this story, I thought that maybe these German POW's were captured in North Africa, or something (as many of these POW's were sent to Texas)... but no, (according to Wikipedia) many of these POW's were crew from captured U-boats.
I did not know about this, thanks!
Our neighbors when we lived in NM was a German POW in Mesilla. After the war he was able to stay and work at Stahmann farms taking care of pecan trees.
wow as a person who is fascinated with WWII history I'm surprised that I haven't heard of this
Had The Poston Internment Camp in Poston , Arizona also
I think that was for Japanese
The buildings were still there in the 60s when I was in high school
Interesting stuff! Thanks.
Really enjoyed this one!
Fascinating story! I'm like most people - I had no idea we had POWs in the US, much less that they had escaped. Great video!
German POWs started coming into the US after Rommel surrendered in North Africa. England was unable to house and feed them all. There were many camps, some were very small like the one here in my hometown in WI, and some were quite large. In the 1960's, my mother worked with one of the POWs who was not sent back to Germany (many petitioned to stay here but only a small percentage was allowed to stay). This man was a supervisor at a local factory and she said he still acted like a Nazi!
@@sinjin6219 They should've punked his ass, he obviously doesn't learn
@@sinjin6219 don't kid yourself. The government wasn't paying to send them back. They were all allowed to stay if they wanted.
@@sinjin6219 wrong, Britain was responsible for British and commonwealth captured prisoners, the US was responsible for US captured prisoners, neither wanted massive numbers of prisoners held in France after D-Day, for the US German prisoners were used as shipping ballast in supply ships making the return journey back to the US. Prior to using prisoners as ballast we used air raid rubble from England, which was used to reclaim land around New York City.
@@johnlafever3162 wrong. Just as the pow's were used to ballast supply ships returning from Europe the pow's were sent back as ballast on troop carriers which were going to Europe to bring US troops back to the US. Empty ships don't sail very well.
Did any of these guys commandeer a Triumph motorcycle and try to jump any fences?
Just because they were Germans doesn.t mean they were Nazi's....come on dude.....
It's a bloody high chance some were sympathetic to the cause c'mon dude ya self . definitely weren't SS though..they would have been shot ..
The Elks Lodge was the Officer’s Club! Lol of course it was. Awesome bit of WWII history for Americans to touch! Had no idea we had German POWs in Arizona, awesome story! 178 feet through the desert ain’t no joke - that’s some German engineering right there lol!
Btw, don’t know if you know the Brit Mark Felton’s WWII German history channel. He’d get a kick out of this story!
Digging through that desert is no easy task for sure. The whole thing certainly raises questions about the security at the camp.
@@SidetrackAdventures They ( the guards ) may have known about the digging and allowed it to keep the Germans busy, and out of trouble. POWs would be making sure that while they were digging that other prisoner would not be stirring up trouble. just an opinion.
I gotta say... it's quite surreal heading to the Papago area to hike, bike, climb up the rocks or head to the zoo knowing about the history of the immediate area. Really good research on this one but I have to ask... did you get your Chino Bandido? 😅 Actually thought about popping by there this weekend but lacked the time.
There is a 0% chance of us ever going to the Phoenix area without stopping by Chino Bandido haha. We got dinner there on Saturday. First time at the new location.
Great interesting post. After scrub survival outdoors in Arizona I bet the POW camp with it's water + bread rations seemed like luxury. Fanatical Nazi's are people you don't ever want loose in your home area.
Really interesting. Never knew about this.
There were several PW camps in Canada. One was at Grande Ligne Quebec,a former boarding school. In the 1960s I was a student there. And it too had a escape tunnel but the RCMP caught the lot
I had a client who was conscripted into the German army in World War II. He was captured by American forces and wound up in a POW camp on the East Coast. He managed to escape and somehow made his way to New York City.
So, here he was, a teenager, scared, wanting to get back home. He went to some bar or club near the docks and was able to find someone who was supposedly taking a ship of goods to Europe (maybe Germany but it would at least be closer than he was now.) The guy agreed to take him if he showed up the following morning.
The next morning, he went there and, while walking up to the bar or club, a man in an overcoat approached him, identified himself as an FBI agent and took him into custody. He was going to drive him back to the POW camp after interviewing him. My client said he was a really nice guy, probably around 35. They even stopped for hamburgers on the way since the FBI guy knew he must be hungry.
When he arrived back at the POW camp, they just returned him back to his barrack. He was flabbergasted. He expected very harsh treatment but it never came. Anyway, the war ended a few months later and he was repatriated.
He told me that, after the war, he realized how lucky he was that he wasn't captured by the Russians!
That is Camelback mountain to the north and the red rocky ones behind the military facility are the Papago Buttes. Saguaro is pronounced swaro and is the tall cactus with the multiple arms indigenous to the Sonoran desert.
Interesting. Surprised that there was any escape in the USA. Compared to other countries, prisoners were treated very well here and in the UK.
After the POW camp closed, they moved the prisoners Barricks a few miles away and used them for low cost apartments.
Truth be told, or at least in my humble opinion, I’d venture to say more of our countrymen and countrywomen know about the German pow’s great escape attempt to a dry river bed versus the number of individuals that know about the many interment “concentration” camps that American Japanese citizens found themselves being sent to following Japan’s “unprovoked surprise” attack on our pacific fleet stationed at Pearl Harbor on 07.12.41!
None the less, I thoroughly appreciate the effort and the knowledge gained similar to a program I enjoyed watching decades ago on orange county local tv channel called Californias Gold with Huel Houser as the host with his beloved camera guy Louie.
Another excellent and well-researched video by Steve on a little known but very interesting episode from past history. I keep thinking Steve is a retired History teacher. The only small correction I would make to this video is it's incorrect to continually call these escapees "Nazis". They were German conscriptees into the Nazi war machine led by Adolph Hitler, true, but very FEW of the German soldiers or people were members of the Nazi Party, less than 10% of the population. Refusal to serve in the Wehrmacht, or any of the armed forces was punishable by DEATH. it adds some drama to the narrative to call the escaped prisoners "Nazis", but it's almost certain that few, if any of them, actually were Nazis.
Very interesting. Thanks
Many people that lives here in AZ don’t know how rich in history this state is. I’ve been living here since 2007 and still finding out historical history here and there.
@b.simmons ..should head Home..!😘👌
Ride my bike along that trail often, knew the story but not the location of the monument. Cool man.
What a really interesting story thank you
Cool video, thanks