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    0:00 cannot divide by 0
    2:14 0^0 is not 1
    4:25 2^x=0 has no real solutions
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    7:03 the false proof (I am not saying if 0^0=1 or not)
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  • @andrycraft69
    @andrycraft69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +861

    I was not expecting a double contradiction proof. Highly appreciated.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      😆!!!

    • @hugonamy7504
      @hugonamy7504 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It was just insanely cool ! 😂👍

    • @filipve73
      @filipve73 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Is double contradiction proof always true?
      Our you just cheating !

    • @extremegamingdz1309
      @extremegamingdz1309 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blackpenredpen bro you can't just write ln(0) because it doesn't exist.
      And you can't just come and try to break this logic.
      You made some serious mistakes.

    • @nikhilnagaria2672
      @nikhilnagaria2672 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@extremegamingdz1309 he literally said the same

  • @Some_Guy77
    @Some_Guy77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +607

    This should have been called "Two proofs and a lie."

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

      Hey that’s a good one. Will change now. Thanks

    • @Adambenhmida0000
      @Adambenhmida0000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@blackpenredpen you didn’t 😾

    • @lolzhunter
      @lolzhunter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@blackpenredpen he lied!

    • @asheep7797
      @asheep7797 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@blackpenredpen the lie

    • @k_wl
      @k_wl ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@blackpenredpen how about 2 proofs 1 spoof

  • @ehess1492
    @ehess1492 3 ปีที่แล้ว +777

    I wonder if he is setting up the next poll:
    What is correct spelling of “contradition”?
    A) contradiction
    B) contradition

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  3 ปีที่แล้ว +220

      Nah I am done with that spelling poll

    • @ehess1492
      @ehess1492 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@blackpenredpen so you didn’t spell “contradition” four times on purpose?

    • @justviewerfromindia2402
      @justviewerfromindia2402 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@blackpenredpen shouldn't be "contradiction"? As the TH-cam closed caption says "contradiction" and u write "contradition". But still best provement 😀

    • @Mothuzad
      @Mothuzad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      The "con" in "contradition" is like the "con" in "conman". It stands for "confidence". A strong tradition of confidence.

    • @justviewerfromindia2402
      @justviewerfromindia2402 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mothuzad you meant so say as con tradition right?
      Means
      Confidence tradition

  • @spankasheep
    @spankasheep 3 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    1:45 My teacher, every time he is correcting my assignment ;D

  • @Forced2
    @Forced2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +206

    As soon as I saw ln(0) I was like thats negative infinity and you’re going to abuse the heck out of it 😂

    • @sharpnova2
      @sharpnova2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      and then you abused yourself instead.

    • @mondherbouazizi4433
      @mondherbouazizi4433 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It's cute how people nowadays call ln(0) = -infinity out loud shamelessly.
      Did you know that there is no such thing as ln(0), and what you are referring to is the limit as x approaches 0 of ln(x).
      And that's for the simple reason that ln is NOT defined for the real number 0.
      Also, there is no such a number as "infinity".
      I remember once a guy was saying "1 to the power of infinity is undeterminate" and I was like 1 is the neutral element in IR and no matter how many times you multiply it by itself, it will always remain 1. Plus, there is no such a number as infinity, and even if it exists, 1 to the power of that thing would be 1.
      The poor thing was talking about the limit as x approaches 1 to the power of a function of x that approaches infinity. But because his teachers were casually using these "inappropriate" words, he was so full of himself and confident in what he was saying.

    • @Forced2
      @Forced2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@mondherbouazizi4433 I know how that stuff works, thanks for explaining though. Just as a reminder for you, not everyone is trying to be correct in their comments on random youtube videos. In this case I just tried to explain that ln(0) reminded me of negative infinity as that is where the limit goes and this gave me the idea that this is probably where funky stuff is happening. I did not word it correctly, as again, cba.

    • @19divide53
      @19divide53 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@mondherbouazizi4433 Verbally it's sometimes unnecessary to say "the limit as x approaches infinity bla bla" , especially when it's clear from context that's the intended meaning.

    • @MCNarret
      @MCNarret 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mondherbouazizi4433 infinity is a number. Give me one good reason not to assume a limit when calculating if infinity is unsigned like 0.

  • @blackpenredpen
    @blackpenredpen  3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    My favorite part is at 9:00. Get ready to bend your mind!

    • @zerotwo9607
      @zerotwo9607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I found a way to prove why 0 to the power of 0 is not equal to 1, and it's legit, reply if you want to me to explain it :P

    • @sukhps
      @sukhps 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zerotwo9607 well, explain it boi

    • @RunstarHomer
      @RunstarHomer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zerotwo9607 Yeah, let's see it

    • @crazystuffofficialchannel4406
      @crazystuffofficialchannel4406 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I have a weird proof...
      so we know that anything * 0 = 0 right? well we can replace the anything with x.
      now we know that in the equation 0x = 0, x is all real numbers right?
      now we can divide the coefficient of x from the equation, and get x = 0/0
      and we said anything * 0 = 0?
      0/0 = anything
      😮 😮 😮

    • @ripjawsquad
      @ripjawsquad ปีที่แล้ว

      @@crazystuffofficialchannel4406 fam in order to get x on it's own like that you'll have to divide both sides by 0, which we all know isn't possible

  • @divysaraswat2084
    @divysaraswat2084 3 ปีที่แล้ว +161

    When he says 1:45 "New Math", I got 2 heart attacks at once.

    • @mokafi7
      @mokafi7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lmao

    • @JasonOvalles
      @JasonOvalles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      But 2=0 so that means you were fine! Right?

    • @lolpotato
      @lolpotato 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In kidney

    • @tgwnn
      @tgwnn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hooray for new math, ne-he-hew math. It won't do you a bit of good to redo math. It's so simple, so very simple... That only a child can do it!!!

  • @vedants.vispute77
    @vedants.vispute77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Everyone: Mind Blowing
    Bprp: Mind Bending

    • @JediJess1
      @JediJess1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      StandupMaths: Mind Boggling
      MindYourDecisions: Mind Your Decisions
      YGOAbridged: MIND CRUSH!

  • @katarzynaguzowska3248
    @katarzynaguzowska3248 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Thank you that you write everything on board, it is much easier to follow.

  • @anshumanagrawal346
    @anshumanagrawal346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    As soon as he pulled out 0^0, I got hooked. Because I know there's no way to prove 0^0 is not equal to 1, so I immediately knew that was the false one, even before seeing the proof

    • @zerotwo9607
      @zerotwo9607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can prove it

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      @@zerotwo9607No, you can't because it isn't really "true", it's just a matter of definition. I pretty much agree 0^0 =1, but for some reason people confuse it with a case 0^m = 0 even though that's only true for positive values of 'm'. In fact, its value is often taken as many fields of maths, we just leave it undefined in standard maths is because our school teachers told us so, the reason for that is that they didn't themselves understand the whole thing very clearly, or simply couldn't bother to explain the technical details to the students

    • @user-en5vj6vr2u
      @user-en5vj6vr2u 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      It’s not a matter of definition, it’s a matter of context. It’s indeterminate so depending on where you got your zeroes, it could be equal to 0 or 1 or 69 or whatever. This is why you can’t prove it’s not equal to 1 without saying what function the zeroes came from

    • @zerotwo9607
      @zerotwo9607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@anshumanagrawal346 hey so I don't actually know what I'm talking about sorry 😅, never been taught any of this, but is it that x^0 is x/x? And isn't 0/0 undefined? Because x^4/x^1 is x^3, and x^2 is just x^3/x^1, same with just x^1 it's x^2/x^1 so x^0 must be x^1/x^1, which is 0/0,

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@user-en5vj6vr2uThere's a very clear distinction between 0^0 (exact form), and some function whose base and exponent both go to 0, and according to you the greatest integer function of 0, should also be undefined as it's also an indeterminate form

  • @ameerunbegum7525
    @ameerunbegum7525 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    1:10
    Me: Oh, My favorite number is 14....
    bprp: *17*
    Me: Oh, Nevermind.

    • @chanuldandeniya1824
      @chanuldandeniya1824 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was searching for this comment 😅😅😅😅

  • @fred-ss4ym
    @fred-ss4ym 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Bob's number is 5. Here's why:
    In the first statement, Alice says she doesn't know who's number is bigger. This means she doesn't have 1 or 9. Bob also doesn't know meaning he doesn't have 1, 9, 2 or 8. Alice still doesn't know, meaning she doesn't have 1, 9, 2, 8, 3 or 7. Bob still doesn't know, meaning he doesn't have 1, 9, 2, 8, 3, 7, 4 or 6. Therefore he must have 5. ( And Alice must have 4 or 6 ).

    • @microscopicallysmall
      @microscopicallysmall 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      did you comment on the wrong video

    • @fred-ss4ym
      @fred-ss4ym 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@microscopicallysmall in the sponsored segment, there is a puzzle for the viewers

  • @elithanathileoathbound3772
    @elithanathileoathbound3772 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could this become a regular series? I would definitely watch it.

  • @drpeyam
    @drpeyam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    Ooooooh fancy!!!

    • @pmathewizard
      @pmathewizard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      2 days ago

    • @viral724pathak
      @viral724pathak 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pmathewizard 🧐

    • @aswinr9676
      @aswinr9676 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wait how??

    • @HershO.
      @HershO. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Video uploaded 1 hour ago and comment 2 days ago
      *Illuminati sounds play*
      LOL

    • @redrobbie7977
      @redrobbie7977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Peyam teach us your ways.

  • @SlidellRobotics
    @SlidellRobotics 3 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    It would be neat if you would prove Heron's theorem for the area of a triangle, because a lot of people have never seen it. It turns out to be fairly straightforward given the definition of sin and cos, the law of cosines, and factoring the difference of squares three times. The law of cosines is itself pretty easy to prove from the Pythagorean Theorem, definition of sin and cos, and a bit of algebra, with the lemma that sin²θ + cos²θ = 1. If you also prove the Pythagorean Theorem to start, this would be totally awesome.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I have done those proofs already 😊

    • @mrpie3055
      @mrpie3055 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can also prove the law of cosines from vector rules

    • @mrocto329
      @mrocto329 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrpie3055 If you mean the dot product formula, that won't work as the dot product formula uses law of cosines AFAIK

  • @HrsHJ
    @HrsHJ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Congrats on 700k subs

    • @Angel_Sony
      @Angel_Sony 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HrsHJ Same here... are you on instagram?

  • @gurkiratsingh7tha993
    @gurkiratsingh7tha993 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have studied about indeterminate forms but today I have studied many new things from your video, I highly appreciate your work.

  • @cormalan9894
    @cormalan9894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love this format! Do more of these please

  • @thesinglemathnerd
    @thesinglemathnerd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    “We cannot divide by 0.”
    *laughs in wheel theory*

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Well, it really depends on what you mean by "division." If you mean that we cannot multiply by the multiplicative inverse of 0, then BPRP is correct. Even in wheel theory, 0 has no multiplicative inverse. Rather, / is defined as a unary involution that specifically for 0, gives a different quantity, not the multiplicative inverse. It is an extension of division, but it can be argued whether this extension deserves to be called "division" or not. So again, it depends.

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      @OrangeC7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

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  • @Bodyknock
    @Bodyknock 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    The interesting thing about problem 2 is that in most scenarios, if you define as an axiom that 0^0 = 1, then the answers will be consistent. I guessed immediately even before I saw it from this that problem 2’s proof would probably be the faulty one (which it was). Of course setting 0^0 = 1 can lead to some issues which is why it’s normally left undefined, but there are many cases where that definition leads to consistent results.

  • @mathsman5219
    @mathsman5219 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Cancelling In (0) from both sides was wrong.

  • @josir1994
    @josir1994 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The contradiction is this video has 3 legit proofs

  • @roberternest7289
    @roberternest7289 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fun fact, the division sign ÷ is mainly used in computer writing, in written mathematics (at least here in Czechia) we use :
    The same applies to / and straight division line, where / is used in computer writing and the straight when writing by hand.

  • @MrRyanroberson1
    @MrRyanroberson1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the end is quite satisfying with the proof by contradiction of proof by contradiction

  • @aswinr9676
    @aswinr9676 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Proving a proof just blows my mind
    You just proved that the proof is wrong

  • @apocalipseleaguepl9248
    @apocalipseleaguepl9248 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Imagining finding a proof method that a proof method, which works, isn't correct. And then proving that the first method is incorrect, because it proves that the second method, which the first method would prove incorrect, always produces correct proofs.
    I hope I wrote it correctly.

    • @MikehMike01
      @MikehMike01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      sounds like the halting problem

  • @Zyx3ds18
    @Zyx3ds18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I figured that proof 2 was incorrect because Ln(0) is undefined, I wondered if the proof would work as a limit, but then you would still have ln(0) after the multiplication inside of the Ln.

    • @huhbooh
      @huhbooh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought proof 3 was incorrect because it had a multiplication with 0

  • @isaacormesher2851
    @isaacormesher2851 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Taking the log base 2 in proof 3 of 2^* is also doing ln0 from our definition so the proof is invalid in the same way as proof 2. Instead from that step it's much better to multiply by 2^n and take a limit as n goes to infinity!

  • @lolerishype
    @lolerishype 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:02 That bird in the background is golden

  • @jacksonpercy8044
    @jacksonpercy8044 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There's learning from your mistakes and then there's spinning your mistakes into a format for entertaining content. That's more impressive than proof 4.

  • @LOLHeadVideos
    @LOLHeadVideos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0/0 is undefined (not equal to 1) so you can't cancel them in the first proof, which makes the first proof also false

  • @Imran-Shah
    @Imran-Shah ปีที่แล้ว

    I was watching your video with no sound (for reasons beyond the scope of the most difficult integral...) and I thought by the title that the first two had to be valid and the third proof to be invalid. (2 legits and 1 false). And I didn't quite understand how you "worked" with ln0 is just a quantity and continued to use rules of exponents. And then the third one I couldn't find a flaw. And then came 7:00 and it all became clear! I do like the third proof a lot!

  • @Nebula_ya
    @Nebula_ya 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have a question with proof 3. Since
    2^* is equal to 0, and so is 2^(*+1).
    Isn't the step where we go from
    2^(*+1)=2^(*)
    to
    *+1=*
    an illegal move since you are taking the log of 0 in both cases?

  • @louisduhamel4040
    @louisduhamel4040 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was so happy to see how happy he was when he found the contradiction

  • @fantiscious
    @fantiscious ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for showing the right proof that 2^x ≠ 0. Some people accidentally provide the wrong proof:
    [1] Assume 2^x = 0
    [2] Then, 1/(2^-x) = 0
    [3] Multiply both sides by 2^-x: 1 = 0
    However, this proof already relies on the fact that 1/(2^-x) is defined in [2], which tells us that 2^-x ≠ 0, telling us that we already know 2^x ≠ 0. Therefore the proof is wrong.

  • @SyberMath
    @SyberMath 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    7:18 yummy!!!
    You tackle some very important topics!
    Awesome! 🤩🤩🤩

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@blackpenredpen You're welcome!

  • @angelmendez-rivera351
    @angelmendez-rivera351 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A better way of formulating proof is by explicitly working with the definition of division, with a/b = a·b^(-1), rather than keeping the symbol for division. The former makes it easier to see why the proof works and why it leads to a contradiction. 0^(-1) is the solution to 0·x = 1. With 0·1 = 0·17, you can left-multiply by 0^(-1), so 0^(-1)·(0·1) = 0^(-1)·(0·17), and by associativity, this is equivalent to [0^(-1)·0]·1 = [0^(-1)·0]·17. Since 0^(-1)·0 = 1 by definition, 1·1 = 1·17, hence 1 = 17.
    The second proof can be immediately understood to be incorrect, solely on the basis that ln(0) is undefined. Also, the assumption that ln(0^0) = 0·ln(0) is incorrect for the same reason that ln[(-1)^2] = 2·ln(-1) is incorrect. The equation ln(x^y) = y·ln(x) is not correct for every x and t: x > 0 is a requirement.
    The third proof does make some assumptions, but ultimately, it is still true that 2^x = 0 has no solutions. What it boils down to is that the codomain of every exponential function is C\{0}.
    Another example of a bad proof is the proof that 0^0 = 0/0. People say 0^0 = 0^(1 - 1) = 0/0. However, this proof method is clearly invalid, since 0^2 = 0^(3 - 1) = 0^3/0 = 0/0, yet we can obviously agree that 0^2 = 0·0 = 0. So the proof method above is invalid. Of course, the reason is simple: if you substitute a value into an equation knowing that it does not satisfy the equation, then obviously a contradiction will arise, especially if one the parts is undefined, but that does not immediately imply every part in the equation is undefined.

  • @carpedm9846
    @carpedm9846 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The moment Ln showed up I had a bad feeling. Anything with euler cant be trusted to act normal

  • @hoffmanmustardoil6191
    @hoffmanmustardoil6191 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the best explainer of mathematics on TH-cam...

  • @pedroribeiro1536
    @pedroribeiro1536 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    700k huh, congrats man 👊

  • @SpaceWithSam
    @SpaceWithSam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting!

  • @Thror251
    @Thror251 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the bonus part is amazing.

  • @kazuhoshiinoue2695
    @kazuhoshiinoue2695 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Actually, there are cases where 0^0 must equal to 1. One of those is the power series of e^x - the sum of (x^n)/n! from n = 0 to inf. If we let x = 0, we get (0^0)/0! or (0^0)/1 or just 0^0. But we know that e^0 = 1 and that the first term of exponential function's power series is 1. So...

    • @_Ytreza_
      @_Ytreza_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's why it's often rewritten as 1 + sum (n >= 1) [x^n/n!] to avoid this special case
      I think it's better to leave 0^0 undefined and always stay away from it '_'

  • @kxngkvde
    @kxngkvde หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I believe it is the second proof because at one step, you subtract (ln 0) when (ln 0) isn't defined. If it was defined to be negative infinity, we have -infinity-(-infinity), which is infinity-infinity, which is undefined.

  • @bm-br3go
    @bm-br3go 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That last proof also seems a little sketchy. In order to go from 2^(x+1) = 2^x to x+1 = x, you need that the exponential functions are 1-1. That fact might depend on the exponential not being 0, and if it does your proof is circular (Im not 100% sure that this is the case though). So if you can prove injectivity of exponential functions without using the fact that they are nonzero, then the proof is right, I just don't know a way to do so.
    You can prove that the exponentials are nonzero by doing so first for integer exponents, then rationals and then making a limiting argument to extend it to the reals. This would be the more secure way which doesn't depend on other properties of exponents.

  • @cube7353
    @cube7353 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In 2nd one,
    You could take
    0°=2°
    Then,
    0=2 which is not possible.
    Therefore, 0° is not equal to 1.

  • @jaymercer4692
    @jaymercer4692 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My way of understanding why dividing by 0 is undefined and not infinite as many people like to think is when I consider the formula, f=ma. We often use this in mechanics to say that if there is no acceleration there is no resultant force but it doesn’t imply the mass is infinite, in fact it tells us nothing about the mass. The mass could be a tiny number up to an infinitely large one but we just have no way of knowing and therefore it is undefined.

  • @HeraldoS2
    @HeraldoS2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The third proof is also invalid, you cannot take log of 2 to the star on the right because 2 to the star is 0. That would be undefined again.

    • @josiproak739
      @josiproak739 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree, the more elegant way i would do is prove that for every real number a, star+a is also a solution, so we can conclude that the function 2^x is identically equal to 0, and then we have a contradiction

    • @Dyllon2012
      @Dyllon2012 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is actually ok because we assume 2^* = 0. Since the logarithm is the inverse of the exponential function by definition, this means log2(0) = * is also true.

    • @petrie911
      @petrie911 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This can be rectified by instead noting that 2^x is strictly increasing on R.

  • @filthypete13
    @filthypete13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was able to figure out which proof was wrong but my reasoning was slightly different (and probably wrong)
    I was thinking that you couldn't take the ln (0 x inf) because 0 x inf would be undefined or nonsensical.

  • @prayrenayadav5466
    @prayrenayadav5466 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really love your derivatives merchandise

  • @firedropcutie
    @firedropcutie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I knew the false proof was gonna be the second one as soon as I saw 0⁰, however when I saw the bonus proof as to why, it really messed with my brain

  • @xrobin7205
    @xrobin7205 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I usually are amazed by the things you do bc they are out of my mind but this i actually noticed bc we just had log(x) in school

  • @manamtiwari
    @manamtiwari 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I am just amazed how the heck did you read my mind 17 is my favourite number ❤️

    • @gnorthey
      @gnorthey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mine is too i almost dropped my phone when i heard him say that!

  • @dimitriosb.3242
    @dimitriosb.3242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Blackpenredpen , I have an interesting proof that I want you to see, is there somewhere I can send it?

  • @prathampatel1740
    @prathampatel1740 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    1st suspicion: "wait, isn't 0^0 actually 1"
    2nd suspicion: "ln0"

  • @electra_
    @electra_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the middle proof of 0^0 != 1 is the lie, as you can't subtract ln(0) on both sides (it is undefined)
    Will note that the frst proof could probably use a slightly more rigourous definition than "you cannot divide by 0" as this feels a little vague, for proof standards

  • @gianglai7346
    @gianglai7346 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    17 is actually my favourite number and I was really surprised when you guessed it correctly O.O

  • @andrewkoo6806
    @andrewkoo6806 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The answer to Bob and Alice question is Bob has the number 5.
    Explanation:
    It's a one digit number (1 - 9), alice and bob has different number.
    When alice says she doesn't know whose is bigger, that means bob now knows her number is neither 1 or 9.
    When Bob says he doesnt know whose is bigger after alice, alice now knows his number is neither 2, 8, 1, or 9.
    When Alice says she still doesnt know whose is bigger, Bob knows her number is neither 3 or 7 plus the first four above. So her number's either 4,5 or 6.
    Lastly, bob says he still doesnt know, that means he has the number 5. He still doesnt know because alice's could be either 4 or 6.
    So i guess after that convo, alice would be the first to know Bob's number.

  • @GodzillaFreak
    @GodzillaFreak 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think there’s a staggering flaw in the first proof as well. You implicitly imply that 0/0=1 when you attempt to cancel them out, which is wholly unjustified

  • @xwtek3505
    @xwtek3505 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Actually, the reason 0^0≠1 is just an convention to make the function continuous and easy to work with in calculus.
    In other field of mathematics like set theory and combinatory theory, 0^0 is defined to 1 because it makes combinatorics proofs easier to deal with

  • @victorsouza3709
    @victorsouza3709 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The first method is also false.
    If you consider that 0/0 = 0, then it would work.
    But you considered that 0/0 = 1. So it failed.
    But this depends on what you define what divisibility is for the zero case

    • @victorsouza3709
      @victorsouza3709 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or how about...
      0/0 = #
      Such that # is something that is not in the real numbers
      It looks like it is coherent

  • @l-a6167
    @l-a6167 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    On the firts demostration, if you assume that we can divide Real set becomes to IR={0} a real boring set!

  • @therattleinthebook397
    @therattleinthebook397 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The trouble is the way we think about exponents involves division. Why is 4^0=1? Because 4^2/4=4^1 and 4^1/4=4^0, and 4^1/4=1.

  • @jorgelenny47
    @jorgelenny47 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought the mistake was subtracting ln0 on both sides since it's undefined

  • @applimu7992
    @applimu7992 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    3 because the log function has many values, so both star and star+1 could be solutions

  • @ramusai8031
    @ramusai8031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent

  • @242math
    @242math 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    enjoyed watching you share the 2 proofs and 1 lie, you are brilliant

  • @alexatg1820
    @alexatg1820 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If u ask me tho, the third proof is kinda invalid too, as 2^x is set to be equal to 0, so is 2^(1+x), you can't take log on both side as they are both zero.

    • @alexatg1820
      @alexatg1820 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If im to prove that,
      i would say it's the same as proving if x∈ℝ, then 2^x≠0
      Proof by cases:
      Case 1: x>0
      Because 2^x>0 ∀x>0, so 2^x≠0
      P.S. 2^x=e^(xln2),
      Bec ln2>0, we can use power series of e^x to proof 2^x>0
      Case 2: x=0, then 2^x=0
      Case 3: x0
      then 2^x =1/2^y,
      But from case 1, 2^y>0 ∀ y∈ℝ,
      2^x >0 ∀ x∈ℝ
      Hence, 2^x≠0 ∀x∈ℝ

  • @butter5014
    @butter5014 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear BPRP and others, please help me with this problem: 12x^2 - (x^2)(y^2) + 11y^2 = 223 , solve for x,y out of Z (whole numbers). Thanks in advance!

  • @PoundersPlatinum
    @PoundersPlatinum 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wouldn’t 3 be wrong since after you removed the star you got 2^1 = 2 which is true?

  • @adamp9553
    @adamp9553 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolute zero, like infinity, is an abstract number with no precision. There's no result trying to divide by absolute zero or raise absolute zero to zero because the number has no scale.

  • @tarikeld11
    @tarikeld11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dividing by zero is like the question "How long do I have to stand still to get to another place" 😂

    • @Extramrdo
      @Extramrdo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      the answer to both is "however long it takes someone to kick you across the room for your crimes."

  • @gurkiratsingh7tha993
    @gurkiratsingh7tha993 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, I am researching on Riemann hypothesis for the last 3 years and successfully I have found a formula for 'a' in Zeta(a+ib) in terms of 'b' and some hard looking definite integrals which are in terms of 'a' and 'b'which I was not able to solve so I am challenging you to solve those integrals . I used Riemann xi function and Riemann functional equation for Zeta function to find the formula for 'a'.
    Please make a video on those integrals.
    Integrals are:-
    1)integral from 1 to infinity of x^((a-2)/2)*f(x)*cos(ln(x)*b/2) + x^(-a-1)*f(x)*cos(ln(x)*b/2)
    2)integral from 1 to infinity of x^((a-2)/2)*f(x)*sin(ln(x)*b/2) - x^(-a-1)*f(x)*sin(ln(x)*b/2)
    Where f(x) = summation from n=1 to infinity of e^(-(n^2)*π*x)

    • @pardeepgarg2640
      @pardeepgarg2640 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you are Indian(By username)
      Well I also work on Reimann hypothesis and Zeta function , and I found so many simple looking integral which are not so simple , and their exact values , infinite products and series as well using Zeta function
      I think you should take f(x) in terms of Jacobi theta function and use functional equation of Jacobi theta function (which also used to derive Zeta functional equation)

    • @pardeepgarg2640
      @pardeepgarg2640 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am in 11 grade , and I leave maths 2months ago due to pressure to gain marks

    • @lukandrate9866
      @lukandrate9866 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think I shouldn't look here

    • @gurkiratsingh7tha993
      @gurkiratsingh7tha993 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pardeepgarg2640 okay I will try

    • @gurkiratsingh7tha993
      @gurkiratsingh7tha993 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pardeepgarg2640 okay, I know, indian educational system is not very good.

  • @Kali-bs7oj
    @Kali-bs7oj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the simplest idea is just that you can’t get anywhere by multiplying by 0, so division cant work that way

  • @novidsonmychanneljustcomme5753
    @novidsonmychanneljustcomme5753 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    You always used to write "contradition" during the video, just as a hint. 😉 (This does not make the mathematical content worse of course. :))

    • @stlemur
      @stlemur 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      He forgot the +C

    • @myrus5722
      @myrus5722 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Edmund Schluessel You win

    • @novidsonmychanneljustcomme5753
      @novidsonmychanneljustcomme5753 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stlemur Lol there's no better way to express this. 👍🏻😁

    • @artsmith1347
      @artsmith1347 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I suspect his English is way better than you are in brpr's first language -- even if you aren't required to use the traditional symbols. I suspect your transliteration to Latin characters would also fall short.

    • @novidsonmychanneljustcomme5753
      @novidsonmychanneljustcomme5753 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@artsmith1347 I suppose your comment was addressed to me? If so, I have no problem to admit that indeed English is not my native language since I'm German. And I'm aware that I regularly make my mistakes in foreign languages, this is completely normal. However this does not exclude the possibility that I also "am allowed" to draw someone's attention to their mistakes if I find some. At least in this case when the same mistake catched my eye several times. To me your comment sounds as if I had been "rude" having fun complaining about other's mistakes while claiming that I'm "perfect". Both is not the case. I emphasized that I didn't mean to offend bprp at all. It was just that one spelling mistake I found kinda funny while I keep on cherishing his mathematical content. If you can't read that from my comment above, I can't help you. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @actionplay1018
    @actionplay1018 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    He is skillful in maths and thinks only about maths everytime.did not expect this proof wow great

  • @nickhodgskin
    @nickhodgskin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    When you use a proof by contradiction to disprove your previous proof by contradiction 🤯

  • @Grass89Eater
    @Grass89Eater 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:d proof is also incorrect (or incomplete). It could be multiple solutions.

  • @rhc1560
    @rhc1560 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello. I wanted to say that I proved that n (n is a positive real number with n cannot be equal to 0) divided by 0 is defined. I am not sure of that statement because I am a student. I will show it to my teacher to see if my proof is right.

  • @toaj868
    @toaj868 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But wouldn't taking the logarithm of 2^☆ also be undefined therefore making the proof invalid?

    • @MikehMike01
      @MikehMike01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am no expert but I think the problem in proof 2 is that he subtracted ln(0) to both sides. You can’t add/subtract an undefined quantity.
      Meanwhile, log() is defined as the inverse of the exponent, so something like e^ln(0) = 0

  • @isaacaguilar5642
    @isaacaguilar5642 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can u just compare exponents for the 3rd case? Under our assumption, 2^star = 0 so doing any form of log is invalid hence we can't compare exponents. I would say star + 1 must also be a solution and by continuing the logic, star + 2 and star - 1 are also solutions. This means 2^any integer = 0. Then just saying 2^1 = 2 would cause a contradiction.

  • @user-pi1jf2fu3f
    @user-pi1jf2fu3f 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How are you sure the zero will simplify in the first proof? We don't necessaraly have to suppose 0/0 = 1, do we?
    In the third proof, how could use the logarithm when you assume 2^☆ = 2^(☆+1) = 0?

  • @MrYesman43
    @MrYesman43 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you get from 2^(1+*) = 2^* to 1+* = *? You say you can take the logarithm but since 2* = 0, log(2*) = log(0) which is the same error which was made in "proof" 2.

  • @Utesfan100
    @Utesfan100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That last proof is meta!

  • @sowndolphin5386
    @sowndolphin5386 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:15
    Phone calculators:
    and we took that personally

  • @ZrJiri
    @ZrJiri 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The issue when trying to prove such elementary facts is that many of the proof rules being taken for granted are less fundamental than the proved property itself. Are we actually proving anything, or is the validity of proof rules we are using actually a consequence of the proven fact being true? My former algebra professor would probably say all three of those proofs are invalid.
    The only rigorous way to prove those would be to start with an axiomatic theory of arithmetics and prove everything from the axioms only.

  • @EgorTimatkov
    @EgorTimatkov 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 1:40, you canceled the 0 in the numerator with the 0 in the denominator.
    I'm not sure you can do that... I might be wrong, but in order to do that, you assume that 0/0=1
    But what if 0/0 doesn't equal 1? Then you can't cancel like that. What is 0/0 = 0, for example?

  • @simonwillover4175
    @simonwillover4175 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 4:10 you had ln(0) = 1, which is not contradictory, becuase you can substitute into your other equation, 0 * ln(0) = 0
    Doing so yields 0 * 1 = 0, which we know is true.
    Your mistake in the second proof was assuming that ln( 0 * ln 0 ) = ln 0 + ln( ln 0 ). The issue with that equation is that 0 is erasing information, and thus it can not be distributed here.

  • @MCNarret
    @MCNarret 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A proof by contradiction doesnt necessarily prove the statement if the solution is conditional, where cannot becomes cannot always.

  • @stupidteous
    @stupidteous 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2 because i tried to think what e^iz would be 0 but there would be no solution, so i concluded ln0 was undefined and cant be used like a variable

    • @stupidteous
      @stupidteous 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      expanding a bit bc to get 0, the angle would have to be 0 +2npi, but e^0 = 1 so that is impossible.

  • @watermelonvolcano9999
    @watermelonvolcano9999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    “What’s your favorite number” me: Says 17, he then immediately proceeds to say 17

  • @TheMahri77
    @TheMahri77 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @1:41
    2 why is the first proof correct?
    By asuming, that we can divide by 0, we can not conclude, that 0/0 = 1.
    Or do i miss something?

  • @SuperYoonHo
    @SuperYoonHo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks! I never knew that 1=17 and mistake is spelled miSTEAK! Sounds so yummy.
    And also didn't knew that you can drop a c from CONTRADICTION>>>contradition

  • @wristdisabledwriter2893
    @wristdisabledwriter2893 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s interesting that I said you can’t do ln(0) but didn’t realize that was the false proof.

  • @varunsbharadwaj1359
    @varunsbharadwaj1359 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @blackpenredpen for proving why cant we divide by zero, we can take the same no. say 'a' and 0*a = 0*a and then we divide both sides by zero, we get a=a which is legit ryt? (ps ik division by zero is meaningless but still correct me if i am wrong)

  • @12-343
    @12-343 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought it would be the last one, where you say that * = -oo. Since -oo + 1 would still be -oo

  • @neilkrieger5334
    @neilkrieger5334 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    To me the second proof is wrong because 0⁰=1 (its the number of functions from the empty set to the empty set, and in that case the function that does nothing is defined) and also because even though ln(0⁰) is defined you can't simply write ln(0⁰) = 0 ln(0) =0 because ln(0) doesnt exist, (even though it makes some sense since for P a polynom with P(0)=0 P(x)ln(x) tends to 0 in 0, the second point is when we substract ln(0) to both side, in essence we are writting infinity minus infinity which is also not defined (even in R U {±infinity})

  • @karryy01
    @karryy01 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Divide by 0 is a special equation. Any real number divide by 0 will equal to infinity. And you cannot do the calculation of infinity numbers, like ∽-∽ or ∽÷∽.

  • @websparrow
    @websparrow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The problem I believe in math that has been stuck with so many contradiction, is that zero is not a number. Zero is the absence of any number. So using at a number you will have confusion...

  • @lool8421
    @lool8421 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    0^0 has multiple answers depending on how do you try to solve this problem
    for example if you assume 0^x=0, then 0^0=0, but if you assume x^0=1, then 0^0=1, but 0 != 1

    • @danielyuan9862
      @danielyuan9862 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why assume either 0^x = 0 or x^0 = 1? How exponents work is that by definition x^0 = 1, and the other powers are achieved by multiplying or dividing numbers by x, so 0^0 = 1.