Last night I was looking at the reciept for my 2014 SL2 Roubaix with SRAM Force. $2,500 AUD. Now $1O,000 AUD. Same price now only gets me an entry level Allez.
I see nothing wrong with GCN material. I really enjoy watching the high-end/racing content whereas I can find content on budget cycling elsewhere. That's the great thing about TH-cam!
I like to see the bikes I can't afford. I also like seeing mid range bikes even the occasional bargain bucket bike like the decathlon ones. GCN is great but too much focus on top end bikes. That been said they should go with what they think is right because you can't please everyone and I like their work.
A recent gcn episode treaded the price highwire in a more realistic (sympathetic to average consumers) way. A more relatable and engaging viewpoint...careful, they may be studying these off-the-cuff notes of yours for their future direction! (as long as they credit where due).
GCN are owned by Discovery, who are then owned by Warner Brothers. Its obvious they are more of a marketing tool. Id wager this was also the reason why a lot of the older presenters (and some newer ones who hadnt been there that long at all) left the channel during the transition to Warner.
@@jayobannon5359 He does a lot of behind the scenes work mainly. I dont know of his agreement/contract with Discovery/WB. They could have offered him more money to stay on and he agreed to it. Im not saying he sold out either. The cost of living/economic crisis has been tough on everyone. If he chose to stay on so he can keep the wife and dogs fed then more power to him.
Who are you referring to exactly? Matt left years ago, but still works for Eurosport. Chris left to go back to racing (he actually address why he left GCN in a video and it had nothing to do with ownership). That leaves Emma, not sure why she left. GCN has always heavily feature sponsorship and sponsored videos, so I'm not sure what it is you're saying tbh.
Honestly , the prices are high, but $5k for a very mid level bike that I’ll ride for 5-6 years is fine. It’s the crazy prices of the little things, like how tires have nearly doubled in cost, for example. I used to be an able to get a 11 speed force cassette for $60-70, now $200-250. Dura ace chain used to be found for $35, now $70….etc
@@jon6346 my oldest non race bike is a 2017 Himod disc Synapse with Red components and that ran $6500 new, plus it got some carbon wheels since then for another $1800. That was a great investment and have tons of miles and still running strong although is mostly my zwift bike now. A new Synapse with Red AxS is $8000, I think that’s reasonable increase in price and the newer bike is much better equipped with thru axles, more modern frame, carbon wheels included, and wireless shifting.
Sellers don't determine prices, and influencers certainly don't. Buyers do, by buying at the asked price or by refusing to. Stop buying bikes that are priced too high, and prices will drop.
That won’t happen. Because people feel „cool“ when they own a super expensive bike. They feel special and better than people with „cheap“ bikes. It’s satisfying when everyone can see the „s-works“ or „Dogma“ lettering on your bike, because the initiated know: there is no cheap s-works or Dogma. And everyone dreams of belonging to the circle of „15k-bike-riders“. Show what you have - show what you can afford. THAT s the game ! And the bicycle industry with their marketing knows how to to trigger emotions.
@@Mas421 Indeed so, mostly. I don't aspire to that group because my rational mind tells me it's a scam. The bike industry has people with more money and more ego than good sense right where it wants them.
Not quite true. Consumers for certain drive demand. However not one manufacturer will sell at a loss. So COSTS such as production cost, materials, engineering etc. must be covered.
@@jedisdad2265 I did not say prices would drop below cost; I said they would drop. That being said -- again -- if sellers find themselves holding inventory which simply will not move, they will eventually sell at a loss because that's better than continuing to hold inventory that takes up needed space, locks up capital that can't be used for anything else, and depreciates to below cost on their sales floor or in their warehouse anyway. That applies to retailers and manufacturers.
They address that the general motorist will view a cyclist with a helmet on as 'less-human' which in turn makes for a more abrasive interaction. They said always wear a helmet, but for some psychological reason, wearing safety gear either makes the cyclist take more risks or what was stated above. Clickbait title? Sure. Did you watch the episode? Highly unlikely.
@@kyleross4372 I not only watched the entire episode, I went back and read the original research that was the basis for Jimmy's remark. As a scientist, all I can say is that the study itself was was deeply flawed but even taken on its face value, Jimmy's over interpretation of it was pretty appalling. And it wasn't just a click bait title, in the episode he actually was defending that position.
If I bang my head against a kirb, with and without a helmet from a 5 foot drop, I am 100% sure without a helmet my head would be in pretty poor shape. Add some momentum to that drop, say 20mph, the impact on your head will be greater again, with the only cushion being your hair.........if you have any.
@@DavidCraig-er6kq True. And the vast majority of times people come off their bikes no cars are involved. Also, from the original study, the notion that some people find pictures of people wearing bike gear "less human" is a gigantic leap from people's actual driving behavior, and applies equally to all of the kit road cyclists typically wear. Also, the question itself, "less human" is almost going to guarantee the result obtained. It was a bad study, contradicted by years of actual road experience on two wheeled vehicles, and the whole episode was click bait. Some of the content on Cade media is amazing, but some of the takes I'm hearing on these podcasts are increasingly dubious.
GCN is a magazine show. What can anyone expect? I enjoy the personalities and the videography but one needs to take whatever they say with a grain of salt. They will not and cannot tell the truth about their sponsors and to be disappointed in that is naive.
They have to make money but that’s the problem with having sponsors i guess. i mostly watch GMBN if i watch at all. They do the same thing but not nearly as extreme with sponsor brAnd loyalty
I’d actually like to hear the GCN presenters real thoughts. I’m sure they are passionate about cycling but have to tow the sponsor’s line. I remember Alex said he preferred rim brakes in his first episode but had to amend his “opinion” in his second episode to say the thinks discs are better.
Hi Guys. Can you please make a vid about how the big bike companies might turn to having titanium bikes in their portfolio. And, when this might happen? Cheers and greeting from Germany.
Prices of bike have got out of control and we need to call them out on this I can’t believe my car costs less an my bike it’s crazy so let’s get back to basics and reuse our old bikes and update them they will outlast the modern bikes any day of the week👍👍👍
The guys on GCN are employees of a corporation & like any employee they have policies they have to adhere too. I'm pretty sure their personal views differ from what they are told to present at times.....
No. Unlike your channel they read and reply to the comments. They responded to criticism they had in the comments to their video. I don’t believe it had anything to do with your criticism. For what ever faults you think they have they do take on board criticism they get in the comments. For example building up a frame with a Dura Ace crankset you just happen to have “lying around” 😅
GMBN went through a phase of not being very vocal about the costs and got a lot of flak for it. They are better now, so good that they are realizing people are fed up with being robbed!
In our world, you are only something special when you own and can show something expensive. And everybody wants to be „special“. You want people on the street to see you as something special? Then drive a particularly expensive car. Or ride a 15k-bike. It s all about „show what you have“. It is not just GCN who support these emotions. Almost all bike channels on TH-cam play this game. All initiates know what it means when there is „s-works“ or „Dogma“ or „DuraAce“ lettering on your bike: there is no cheap s-works or dogma or DuraAce. You want to feel like a professional ? Then „105“ must not be read on your bike. THAT s our „road-bike-world“ ! With kindly support of our influencers, TH-cam channel and the entire bike industry.
Agree with prices too high but GCN always have say you don’t need the high end options … in the other hand the last your episodes are about GCN what about creating your own material which is normally good
You surely are not a competitor for GCN. You do not do any educational content for begginners, which GCN did and does, and is a big advantage in comparison to other cycling channels on YT. GCN is not only advertising and chit-chat in a plushy chair. If GCN makes an advertising video for e.g. Colnago gravel bike, which cost more than 7.000 euros, then they state it, it is paid by Colnago and that's why this is not a review video. Nobody is forced to buy overpriced und what is more important, over-advertised bikes or parts. We are still free to decide what to buy. And being sceptical does not automatically mean to be wise. I like bike fitting videos from James on this channel, have learnt plenty from them.
Poor GCN, Who cares if they are upset. I still haven`t been refunded for my GCN racing subscription. Anyone else not refunded yet? GCN give us our money back!!!!!
Time will tell if GCN flip flop on their opinions like a bad politician, going where the wind blows, or they actually have their own strong values that they reach from to discuss these type of topics. GCN lost me as a viewer a while back. Would dip in now and again though to see if they bring out any decent content like the early days.
We the people told GCN. I like GCN. Never knock down the competition. They are the top listened to (cycling you tube videos). They are a good example to follow if you want to succeed on cycling videos. They offer variety, they are informative and fun to watch. It’s good of them to have acknowledged Our response to to price comparisons bike vs motorcycle. They are also learning as they go and yesss they do have big sponsors because they do a pretty decent job at being successful. Your podcasts need variety also guys to make it big. It’s not all about talking about others, it’s being proactive, informative, respectful, fun, real, and yes, promoting some products that you believe in and supporting your sponsors in an honest way. I think the motorcycle vs bike video was just a topic they decided to tackle but quickly realized that they shouldn’t have. Keep up with your show guys but learn from them and your audience also. Keep on biking 🚴
Because, obviously, designing, manufacturing and releasing a set of cycle kit happens overnight doesn't it. You realise GCN has changed kit (and kit sponsor) several times in the course of their existence, right? And previously there has been a budget version, as well as the high end version.
High-end bikes are expensive because the OEMs have such outrageous marketing budgets. The amount they spend on race teams and influencers is insane. Bike racing needs to go back to a self-funded amateur-type sport.
no respect for GCN after seeing how they dealt with the shimano crank recall issue, did their best to hide it deep in their channel in one of their gcn show segments.
how about a dedicated single video covering the topic with the proper title with keywords like "shimano" "recall", instead they hid it in one of the regular GCN show's eleven segments, without even giving it a timestamp.@@Bungle2010
Bikes are crazy expensive. Anyone that argues otherwise is wildly deluded. Decathlon for the win. The best? No. Lost all reason? Not quite so much. But still probably gouging, because Spec' Trek and the rest are leaving the door wide open.
You guys are repeating the videos a lot lately no? I saw the hate, love tolerate being published at least 3-4 times in a matter of a couple weeks, and this one has shown up several times already.
@@Zenek143 He's the longest serving presenter there (along with Dan), what's wrong with him? I always think the videos he presents are worth watching (even if it's just a showcase for a new product). In fact he's more than just a face in front of the camera. If you watch the end credits of the GCN+ documentaries, he was listed as a producer. I just completed a group ride with him on Zwift as it happens.
@@Bungle2010 just feel like he has tried to take over as the funny one since Matt left. I feel his presentation style has changed. I preferred him when Matt was around. He’s just not my cup of tea. I’m not saying he’s a bad produce, I just don’t really like him as a presenter.
GCN and to a large extent you guys also,are so detached from the everyday cyclist that it’s ridiculous. Maybe take a look in the mirror and remember who your audience is.
Offending GCN is like a tick in the box. Take a bow.
The only higher achievement would be exposing those 2 ton anchors that hambini tries to pass as bottom brackets for an absurd price.
I really offended Si on one of those GCN does science videos once. Responded from his personal account 😢
You'll know all about people feeling hurt for being called out on the obvious ha ha
Ah, so as well as being a jerk, you're a hypocrite as well.
Remember their introduction to tubeless? Glass, nails, screws. Somehow the road tires kept inflated!
Last night I was looking at the reciept for my 2014 SL2 Roubaix with SRAM Force. $2,500 AUD. Now $1O,000 AUD. Same price now only gets me an entry level Allez.
I see nothing wrong with GCN material. I really enjoy watching the high-end/racing content whereas I can find content on budget cycling elsewhere. That's the great thing about TH-cam!
I like to see the bikes I can't afford. I also like seeing mid range bikes even the occasional bargain bucket bike like the decathlon ones. GCN is great but too much focus on top end bikes. That been said they should go with what they think is right because you can't please everyone and I like their work.
A recent gcn episode treaded the price highwire in a more realistic (sympathetic to average consumers) way. A more relatable and engaging viewpoint...careful, they may be studying these off-the-cuff notes of yours for their future direction! (as long as they credit where due).
They've done that for years.
GCN represents one of the biggest issues with cycling: constantly pushing the most expensive and latest gear that is not appropriate for most users!
GCN are owned by Discovery, who are then owned by Warner Brothers. Its obvious they are more of a marketing tool. Id wager this was also the reason why a lot of the older presenters (and some newer ones who hadnt been there that long at all) left the channel during the transition to Warner.
but we are still stuck with dan lloyd
@@jayobannon5359 He does a lot of behind the scenes work mainly.
I dont know of his agreement/contract with Discovery/WB. They could have offered him more money to stay on and he agreed to it.
Im not saying he sold out either. The cost of living/economic crisis has been tough on everyone. If he chose to stay on so he can keep the wife and dogs fed then more power to him.
Who are you referring to exactly? Matt left years ago, but still works for Eurosport. Chris left to go back to racing (he actually address why he left GCN in a video and it had nothing to do with ownership). That leaves Emma, not sure why she left. GCN has always heavily feature sponsorship and sponsored videos, so I'm not sure what it is you're saying tbh.
Honestly , the prices are high, but $5k for a very mid level bike that I’ll ride for 5-6 years is fine.
It’s the crazy prices of the little things, like how tires have nearly doubled in cost, for example. I used to be an able to get a 11 speed force cassette for $60-70, now $200-250. Dura ace chain used to be found for $35, now $70….etc
Not really. My current ride cost me $2k and that was high for a non-racer 5 years ago. We’ve been habituated to ridiculous prices.
$5k should be high end, not mid.
@@jon6346 my oldest non race bike is a 2017 Himod disc Synapse with Red components and that ran $6500 new, plus it got some carbon wheels since then for another $1800. That was a great investment and have tons of miles and still running strong although is mostly my zwift bike now.
A new Synapse with Red AxS is $8000, I think that’s reasonable increase in price and the newer bike is much better equipped with thru axles, more modern frame, carbon wheels included, and wireless shifting.
Sellers don't determine prices, and influencers certainly don't. Buyers do, by buying at the asked price or by refusing to. Stop buying bikes that are priced too high, and prices will drop.
That won’t happen. Because people feel „cool“ when they own a super expensive bike.
They feel special and better than people with „cheap“ bikes.
It’s satisfying when everyone can see the „s-works“ or „Dogma“ lettering on your bike, because the initiated know: there is no cheap s-works or Dogma.
And everyone dreams of belonging to the circle of „15k-bike-riders“.
Show what you have - show what you can afford. THAT s the game !
And the bicycle industry with their marketing knows how to to trigger emotions.
@@Mas421 Indeed so, mostly. I don't aspire to that group because my rational mind tells me it's a scam. The bike industry has people with more money and more ego than good sense right where it wants them.
Not quite true.
Consumers for certain drive demand.
However not one manufacturer will sell at a loss. So COSTS such as production cost, materials, engineering etc. must be covered.
@@jedisdad2265 I did not say prices would drop below cost; I said they would drop. That being said -- again -- if sellers find themselves holding inventory which simply will not move, they will eventually sell at a loss because that's better than continuing to hold inventory that takes up needed space, locks up capital that can't be used for anything else, and depreciates to below cost on their sales floor or in their warehouse anyway. That applies to retailers and manufacturers.
True. It was the dumbest thing GCN ever said. Now YOU should acknowledge that your claim that 'helmets protect cyclists is a myth' was also absurd.
Helmets do protect your head. Not sure how you can argue that they don't.
They address that the general motorist will view a cyclist with a helmet on as 'less-human' which in turn makes for a more abrasive interaction. They said always wear a helmet, but for some psychological reason, wearing safety gear either makes the cyclist take more risks or what was stated above. Clickbait title? Sure. Did you watch the episode? Highly unlikely.
@@kyleross4372 I not only watched the entire episode, I went back and read the original research that was the basis for Jimmy's remark. As a scientist, all I can say is that the study itself was was deeply flawed but even taken on its face value, Jimmy's over interpretation of it was pretty appalling. And it wasn't just a click bait title, in the episode he actually was defending that position.
If I bang my head against a kirb, with and without a helmet from a 5 foot drop, I am 100% sure without a helmet my head would be in pretty poor shape. Add some momentum to that drop, say 20mph, the impact on your head will be greater again, with the only cushion being your hair.........if you have any.
@@DavidCraig-er6kq True. And the vast majority of times people come off their bikes no cars are involved. Also, from the original study, the notion that some people find pictures of people wearing bike gear "less human" is a gigantic leap from people's actual driving behavior, and applies equally to all of the kit road cyclists typically wear. Also, the question itself, "less human" is almost going to guarantee the result obtained. It was a bad study, contradicted by years of actual road experience on two wheeled vehicles, and the whole episode was click bait. Some of the content on Cade media is amazing, but some of the takes I'm hearing on these podcasts are increasingly dubious.
They're sponsored by pinarello, orbea, and canyon, they can't criticize bike prices
GCN is a magazine show. What can anyone expect? I enjoy the personalities and the videography but one needs to take whatever they say with a grain of salt. They will not and cannot tell the truth about their sponsors and to be disappointed in that is naive.
Being offended would mean that they care in the first place. Kindof encouraging in a way
I don't listen to GCN content anymore. They don't promote cycling, they promote their sponsors. It's gross.
They have to make money but that’s the problem with having sponsors i guess. i mostly watch GMBN if i watch at all. They do the same thing but not nearly as extreme with sponsor brAnd loyalty
That’s not correct
They get tons of comments on their channel but they came back to this because of you? Sure…
Yup. Unlike Cade media, GCN read and respond to their comments.
Did you see that 4000 pound midrange alloy bike build? WTF that’s crazy high
Love your show, but don't you have other ideas than circling around GCN? Without Francis show is slowly turning into pointless chit chat.
I’d actually like to hear the GCN presenters real thoughts. I’m sure they are passionate about cycling but have to tow the sponsor’s line.
I remember Alex said he preferred rim brakes in his first episode but had to amend his “opinion” in his second episode to say the thinks discs are better.
Congratulations on your achievement.
Hi Guys. Can you please make a vid about how the big bike companies might turn to having titanium bikes in their portfolio. And, when this might happen? Cheers and greeting from Germany.
They will cost nearly the same as their carbon ones.
Prices of bike have got out of control and we need to call them out on this I can’t believe my car costs less an my bike it’s crazy so let’s get back to basics and reuse our old bikes and update them they will outlast the modern bikes any day of the week👍👍👍
No thanks. I'll keep buying new bikes. You can keep recycling your old ones
Appears to me, you are very pompously riding GCN's TH-cam shirt tails .
The guys on GCN are employees of a corporation & like any employee they have policies they have to adhere too. I'm pretty sure their personal views differ from what they are told to present at times.....
No. Unlike your channel they read and reply to the comments. They responded to criticism they had in the comments to their video. I don’t believe it had anything to do with your criticism. For what ever faults you think they have they do take on board criticism they get in the comments. For example building up a frame with a Dura Ace crankset you just happen to have “lying around” 😅
GMBN went through a phase of not being very vocal about the costs and got a lot of flak for it. They are better now, so good that they are realizing people are fed up with being robbed!
In our world, you are only something special when you own and can show something expensive. And everybody wants to be „special“.
You want people on the street to see you as something special? Then drive a particularly expensive car. Or ride a 15k-bike.
It s all about „show what you have“.
It is not just GCN who support these emotions.
Almost all bike channels on TH-cam play this game.
All initiates know what it means when there is „s-works“ or „Dogma“ or „DuraAce“ lettering on your bike: there is no cheap s-works or dogma or DuraAce.
You want to feel like a professional ? Then „105“ must not be read on your bike.
THAT s our „road-bike-world“ !
With kindly support of our influencers, TH-cam channel and the entire bike industry.
Agree with prices too high but GCN always have say you don’t need the high end options … in the other hand the last your episodes are about GCN what about creating your own material which is normally good
You surely are not a competitor for GCN. You do not do any educational content for begginners, which GCN did and does, and is a big advantage in comparison to other cycling channels on YT. GCN is not only advertising and chit-chat in a plushy chair. If GCN makes an advertising video for e.g. Colnago gravel bike, which cost more than 7.000 euros, then they state it, it is paid by Colnago and that's why this is not a review video. Nobody is forced to buy overpriced und what is more important, over-advertised bikes or parts. We are still free to decide what to buy. And being sceptical does not automatically mean to be wise. I like bike fitting videos from James on this channel, have learnt plenty from them.
So much more engineering and tech in a motorcycle. The fact a analog bike cost as much is a joke
It doesn’t matter if it s called „GCN“. TH-cam (and Instagram) is the largest marketing tool in the bike industry.
Poor GCN, Who cares if they are upset. I still haven`t been refunded for my GCN racing subscription. Anyone else not refunded yet? GCN give us our money back!!!!!
I did. But it was only for 1 month.
Got mine back months ago.
@@abedfo88 You would have got back an appropriate amount based on how much subscription you had left when they shut down.
@@Bungle2010 yes a month
Thank you Emily , Jimmi and Nic, alphabetically...I think we need more honest opinions, a lot less "Tippy Toey" ! ?
Time will tell if GCN flip flop on their opinions like a bad politician, going where the wind blows, or they actually have their own strong values that they reach from to discuss these type of topics. GCN lost me as a viewer a while back. Would dip in now and again though to see if they bring out any decent content like the early days.
We the people told GCN. I like GCN. Never knock down the competition. They are the top listened to (cycling you tube videos). They are a good example to follow if you want to succeed on cycling videos. They offer variety, they are informative and fun to watch. It’s good of them to have acknowledged Our response to to price comparisons bike vs motorcycle. They are also learning as they go and yesss they do have big sponsors because they do a pretty decent job at being successful. Your podcasts need variety also guys to make it big. It’s not all about talking about others, it’s being proactive, informative, respectful, fun, real, and yes, promoting some products that you believe in and supporting your sponsors in an honest way. I think the motorcycle vs bike video was just a topic they decided to tackle but quickly realized that they shouldn’t have. Keep up with your show guys but learn from them and your audience also. Keep on biking 🚴
You offended them, so they launched clothing that cost as much as the Decathlon bike you reviewed earlier
Because, obviously, designing, manufacturing and releasing a set of cycle kit happens overnight doesn't it. You realise GCN has changed kit (and kit sponsor) several times in the course of their existence, right? And previously there has been a budget version, as well as the high end version.
High-end bikes are expensive because the OEMs have such outrageous marketing budgets. The amount they spend on race teams and influencers is insane. Bike racing needs to go back to a self-funded amateur-type sport.
Ironic seen as Cade is following the gcn style of video and working now.
no respect for GCN after seeing how they dealt with the shimano crank recall issue, did their best to hide it deep in their channel in one of their gcn show segments.
Where were they supposed to put it? And a segment in the GCN Show is hardly "deep".
how about a dedicated single video covering the topic with the proper title with keywords like "shimano" "recall", instead they hid it in one of the regular GCN show's eleven segments, without even giving it a timestamp.@@Bungle2010
Bikes are crazy expensive. Anyone that argues otherwise is wildly deluded.
Decathlon for the win. The best? No. Lost all reason? Not quite so much. But still probably gouging, because Spec' Trek and the rest are leaving the door wide open.
we're just gonna stop tuneing in at GCN and watch here instead, until you too go also mainstream... by then we'll find the next :D
Awe, the Great britain Cycling Network got upset? I guess you'll know better next time! (I myself am tickled.)
Why repeat
You guys are repeating the videos a lot lately no? I saw the hate, love tolerate being published at least 3-4 times in a matter of a couple weeks, and this one has shown up several times already.
I don't see gcn as an friend of the consumer. They're a marketing tool for the manufacturer's.
Top brands show not the real world working cyclist
You do you👍👍👍
Spare me with these idiotic thumbnails.
I sincerely hope Simon and Oli leave GCN.
Leave? They're the best presenters. There's a reason GCN snatched Olie from CW.
@@Bungle2010 oli I can just about stand. But Simon need to leave ASAP
@@Zenek143 He's the longest serving presenter there (along with Dan), what's wrong with him? I always think the videos he presents are worth watching (even if it's just a showcase for a new product). In fact he's more than just a face in front of the camera. If you watch the end credits of the GCN+ documentaries, he was listed as a producer. I just completed a group ride with him on Zwift as it happens.
@@Bungle2010 just feel like he has tried to take over as the funny one since Matt left. I feel his presentation style has changed. I preferred him when Matt was around. He’s just not my cup of tea. I’m not saying he’s a bad produce, I just don’t really like him as a presenter.
Why? They’re fantastic presenters
GCN and to a large extent you guys also,are so detached from the everyday cyclist that it’s ridiculous. Maybe take a look in the mirror and remember who your audience is.