I think the Umbara arc really stands out and is such a superbly written story. I remember seeing it for the first time when it aired and was like... wow, this is so good.
@@jamesplunkett8912 He endet up propably in a brick on Coruscant and be out in the of the Last 30 days of the Republic The transition to the Empire just speed up in the End and with the activated Inhibitor chip he woud be back in Line to execute the next Jedis. So i guess he woud be used in the Empire as a good soldier. Who cares about a clone that executed a Jedi before after the events of the Execution of the last remaining Jedis. Don't qute me with that info at all. It is just my imagination ... I don't know that in Legends or either in canon. Just pure imagination.
I like how the clones fired, but chose not to shoot their targets. I think it's some subtle foreshadowing for the whole thing about how clones are not able to defy orders at their own will
Rex's assumptions about duty were shaken by two clones who reject their programming: Slick, who declares that the clones are being used as pawns by the Jedi, and Cut Lawquane, who deserted the army to live as a farmer and father. Rex faced a grim test when Pong Krell treated his clone troops as disposable, sending them to their deaths. Rex faced a question he's never imagined: is it his duty to obey orders that will only get his brothers killed? Rex soon comes to see that duty isn't everything and must decide which values are truly worth fighting for. Rex will always be my #1 favorite clone trooper.
Rex has more character development than Rey will ever have. And he's not even a natural born human, neither is he the main character. Rey is both but fails spectacularly on these two
4:02 *I used to believe that being a good soldier meant doing everything they told you. That's how they engineered us. But we're not droids. We're not programmed. You have to learn to make your own decisions.*
I notice a lot of people dislike the inhibitor chips, allow me to try and explain why they are necessary. What we’re dealing with is a divide between two different interpretations of clones from two different time periods. Pre the 2008 clone wars TV show, and post 2008 Before the 2008 show clones were depicted as unquestioning soldiers. Those who would obey any order without fail, without hesitation. So when order 66 came down they completed it without any hesitation. In this interpretation clones are dehumanized, they are depicted as little more than droids who were in on the conspiracy the entire time. The clone characters of this era are underwhelming This is reflected in the media they appeared in during this time. Think Battlefront 2 Campaign in how the clones state they knew the end was coming and what it’d entail. The summary of this time period is simple: clones were secretly evil, and they are not free thinkers. (There are obviously exceptions to this, but typically this is how clones were depicted) *Post 2008* However with the release of the Clone Wars TV show clones were fundamentally rewritten and reinterpreted. Instead of unquestioningly obedient soldiers the clones become unquestionably *loyal* a distinct but profound difference. Throughout the show the clones are recontextualized and humanized. They are shown to be introspective free thinkers who regularly question not only themselves but their place in the world “What’s the point of all of this?” “I don’t know sir but I know that one day this wars going to end.” “But what after? We’re soldiers, what happens to us then?” This new theme for the clones is established in the very first episode of the series as yoda tells a group of troopers “In the force all of you are unique.” Again and again we see the clones express their humanity casting away their numbers and designations taking upon names of their own choosing and taking pride in the differences they choose for themselves. “The names Fives! I am NOT another number! I AM NOT DISPOSABLE HARDWARE FOR YOU TO CAST AWAY!” Throughout the show we see the Jedi foster and encourage this behavior fundamentally impacting the perspectives and thoughts of the clones under their command “We’re just clones sir… we’re made to be expendable.” “Not to me.” The Jedi become more than just their generals, they become their friends, mentors, and in some rare cases… lovers. They become the clones siblings and just as much as any of their brothers. The clones loyalty and dedication is put on full display time and time again, to the point they’d gladly fight and die beside them. “Captain Keeli!” “I’m not finished yet! We can do this General!” “Let’s make the end memorable!” This interpretation of the clones is fundamentally incompatible with the pre 2008 interpretation. Commander Cody as depicted in the TV show would sooner fall upon his own blaster before he’d harm his closest friend. The existence of the inhibitors then is a INGENIOUS addition to the story. Not only does it explain why the clones would so callously kill their closest friends but it adds an entire new dimension of tragedy to order 66. Now the clones have become every bit as much the victims as the Jedi they are forced to kill. Stripping the clones of their free will and individuality and reducing them to the very things they despised and fought against: unthinking droids. “Wait! This is wrong and we all know it! No soldier should have to go out like this! We are loyal soldiers, we follow orders, but we are NOT a bunch of unthinking DROIDS! We are NOT programmed! We are MEN and we must be trusted to make our own decisions! Especially when the orders we are given are CLEARLY WRONG!” Having heard the soldiers say the above, would it make sense for him to kill his general because “orders are orders?” The answer is: *NO* Thank you for listening to my Ted talk.
i dont get the process of a court martial, like there seems to be no trial and is only based on the preponderance of the evidence by the commanding officer. if there are any military personnel reading this, please enlighten me
I think this Umbara arc shouldn’t be a Jedi & as for Dogma,brothers shouldn’t shoot brothers I don’t care if they are up on treason charges they should be court-martialed first if they are guilty of any crime which they are not. Kill the corrupt Jedi who wants to go to the dark side.
dang the dark thing about that firing line thing is that if clone troopers have been trained on how to dish out military executions - then they've probably performed it on Seperatist POWs or birth born Republic deserters...
I think the Umbara arc really stands out and is such a superbly written story. I remember seeing it for the first time when it aired and was like... wow, this is so good.
Howzer = fives =rex
Just imagine if Dogma said "Good soldiers follow orders" during this
I wonder what happened to Dogma after he killed Krell! He did the right thing in the end having learned his lesson. We never saw him again after that.
@@jamesplunkett8912 He endet up propably in a brick on Coruscant and be out in the of the Last 30 days of the Republic The transition to the Empire just speed up in the End and with the activated Inhibitor chip he woud be back in Line to execute the next Jedis.
So i guess he woud be used in the Empire as a good soldier. Who cares about a clone that executed a Jedi before after the events of the Execution of the last remaining Jedis.
Don't qute me with that info at all. It is just my imagination ... I don't know that in Legends or either in canon. Just pure imagination.
@@jamesplunkett8912 Who knows, maybe his chip never fully activated or short circuited since he already killed his Jedi.
@@alannatherson7721 Yeah. It's a possibility.
I like how the clones fired, but chose not to shoot their targets. I think it's some subtle foreshadowing for the whole thing about how clones are not able to defy orders at their own will
Plot twist: it was a sign of the stormtrooper accuracy kicking in
Rex's assumptions about duty were shaken by two clones who reject their programming: Slick, who declares that the clones are being used as pawns by the Jedi, and Cut Lawquane, who deserted the army to live as a farmer and father. Rex faced a grim test when Pong Krell treated his clone troops as disposable, sending them to their deaths. Rex faced a question he's never imagined: is it his duty to obey orders that will only get his brothers killed?
Rex soon comes to see that duty isn't everything and must decide which values are truly worth fighting for.
Rex will always be my #1 favorite clone trooper.
Rex has more character development than Rey will ever have. And he's not even a natural born human, neither is he the main character. Rey is both but fails spectacularly on these two
To think 5 later did die from clone on clone violence is even sadder
Yup
The clones are the best part of the show
Might explain the name of the show ^^
no
4:02 *I used to believe that being a good soldier meant doing everything they told you. That's how they engineered us. But we're not droids. We're not programmed. You have to learn to make your own decisions.*
Can we just admire how fives carries around three blasters at all times? Dude is permanently strapped to the teeth.
Also Rip fives and thank you for saving Ahsoka life. And Rip Jesse (mostly before he became unwillingly a jerk)
But that was when his story hit the *hardest.*
Jesse became a jerk because he was brainwashed by his inhibitor chip
@@overlordelektro7940 that doesn’t excuse totally him being a jerk
I think Dogma got the short end of the stick. He was loyal to his General, but also had love for his brothers, so he was conflicted.
This hits hard, knowing they'll be forced to partake in Order 66 against their will despite their need to do what's best.
Good soldiers follow orders
Good men follow there heart
Howzer vindicated fives’ line
Things like this is probably one of the reasons the clones had inhibitor chips. Palpatine feared the clones would be unwilling to turn on the Jedi.
I like it how dogma got arrested by his own brothers just because of krell was able to fool dogma but not the entire 501st legion
This defiantly aged differently.
We need more seasons of clone wars!
not from a disney
Umbara was definitely one of the best arcs of the series
"We are not programmed!"
Palpatine, dooku and the kaminoans: cute...
I wonder if well see Dogma in Bad Batch!!!
You think in the Bad Batch series the clones will actually break free from their inhibitor chips?
Could be that inhibitor chips slowly wear off over time which in turn would explain why the Empire decommissioned all the clones.
@@LoreFreak they went back to good old indoctrination of the masses.
@@LoreFreak Actually, they're immune to the chips. Except Crosshair
@@MiracleX19 ik this is three months later, but nah
Watch this is gonna get so many wiews. Now only 200
Lol
The UMBARAN ARC TROOPERS
I notice a lot of people dislike the inhibitor chips, allow me to try and explain why they are necessary. What we’re dealing with is a divide between two different interpretations of clones from two different time periods. Pre the 2008 clone wars TV show, and post 2008
Before the 2008 show clones were depicted as unquestioning soldiers. Those who would obey any order without fail, without hesitation. So when order 66 came down they completed it without any hesitation.
In this interpretation clones are dehumanized, they are depicted as little more than droids who were in on the conspiracy the entire time. The clone characters of this era are underwhelming
This is reflected in the media they appeared in during this time. Think Battlefront 2 Campaign in how the clones state they knew the end was coming and what it’d entail.
The summary of this time period is simple: clones were secretly evil, and they are not free thinkers. (There are obviously exceptions to this, but typically this is how clones were depicted)
*Post 2008*
However with the release of the Clone Wars TV show clones were fundamentally rewritten and reinterpreted. Instead of unquestioningly obedient soldiers the clones become unquestionably *loyal* a distinct but profound difference.
Throughout the show the clones are recontextualized and humanized. They are shown to be introspective free thinkers who regularly question not only themselves but their place in the world
“What’s the point of all of this?”
“I don’t know sir but I know that one day this wars going to end.”
“But what after? We’re soldiers, what happens to us then?”
This new theme for the clones is established in the very first episode of the series as yoda tells a group of troopers
“In the force all of you are unique.”
Again and again we see the clones express their humanity casting away their numbers and designations taking upon names of their own choosing and taking pride in the differences they choose for themselves.
“The names Fives! I am NOT another number! I AM NOT DISPOSABLE HARDWARE FOR YOU TO CAST AWAY!”
Throughout the show we see the Jedi foster and encourage this behavior fundamentally impacting the perspectives and thoughts of the clones under their command
“We’re just clones sir… we’re made to be expendable.”
“Not to me.”
The Jedi become more than just their generals, they become their friends, mentors, and in some rare cases… lovers. They become the clones siblings and just as much as any of their brothers. The clones loyalty and dedication is put on full display time and time again, to the point they’d gladly fight and die beside them.
“Captain Keeli!”
“I’m not finished yet! We can do this General!”
“Let’s make the end memorable!”
This interpretation of the clones is fundamentally incompatible with the pre 2008 interpretation.
Commander Cody as depicted in the TV show would sooner fall upon his own blaster before he’d harm his closest friend.
The existence of the inhibitors then is a INGENIOUS addition to the story. Not only does it explain why the clones would so callously kill their closest friends but it adds an entire new dimension of tragedy to order 66.
Now the clones have become every bit as much the victims as the Jedi they are forced to kill.
Stripping the clones of their free will and individuality and reducing them to the very things they despised and fought against: unthinking droids.
“Wait! This is wrong and we all know it! No soldier should have to go out like this! We are loyal soldiers, we follow orders, but we are NOT a bunch of unthinking DROIDS! We are NOT programmed! We are MEN and we must be trusted to make our own decisions! Especially when the orders we are given are CLEARLY WRONG!”
Having heard the soldiers say the above, would it make sense for him to kill his general because “orders are orders?” The answer is: *NO*
Thank you for listening to my Ted talk.
Yep you’re right on the money.
i dont get the process of a court martial, like there seems to be no trial and is only based on the preponderance of the evidence by the commanding officer. if there are any military personnel reading this, please enlighten me
18 months ago 😮
Good Soldiers Follow Orders
Still dont think the regs are programmed.
2:48
I think this Umbara arc shouldn’t be a Jedi & as for Dogma,brothers shouldn’t shoot brothers I don’t care if they are up on treason charges they should be court-martialed first if they are guilty of any crime which they are not. Kill the corrupt Jedi who wants to go to the dark side.
Actually It’s Flipped
Is that appo in the firing squad Scenes
What's with dogma?
As much I hate C3PO and Windu (for different reasons) they aren’t as bad as krell
dang the dark thing about that firing line thing is that if clone troopers have been trained on how to dish out military executions - then they've probably performed it on Seperatist POWs or birth born Republic deserters...
Man, Dogma was so good in this arc. I hope we can one day learn what is fate was after the clone wars.