Please please please make another video on this with the wider variety of minerals you mentioned. This is honestly one of the coolest chemistry related videos I have seen on youtube in quite a while. Keep it up man, you are amazing!
Thank you so much!! I'm so glad to hear you found this interesting as I wasn't even sure whether to release it (thinking people would find it boring). I've got a huge number of ideas on how to expand this, and I've gotten even more ideas from the comments section here. Already a WIP
@@integral_chemistry You presented this video in a a really interesting, engaging & entertaining way. I am greatful that you decided to release this and am avidly looking forward to the follow-ups you have planned. I feel lucky to have stumbled across your channel in the first place because your content and style of presentation is unique and fresh. Cheers to you man 🤙
@@kayne2075 I didn't see much of it bc that week we had a lot to do, but that guy has to be internationally known or sth, he had us crystallize lysozymes and according to him the way we did it is the only known way possible besides doing it in zero gravity. Idk tho, I'm not big into crystallography. I have pics tho
@@danielwinstanley4703 I'm doing a degree in Pharmacy in southern Spain, I took an optional subject called Pharmacy - applied geology and crystallography. We mainly did crystallography tho, besides XRD and use of minerals for treatments or as excipients
I remember when I was a kid (80's) my grandmother tried to expose us to all kinds of things to spark our interest. She would buy a kit, I believe it was called a "magic rock garden", to do this very thing. I loved watching the growth over time. Every morning I would check it out while I ate breakfast, the garden was safely out of reach of my food. If I knew how it all worked I would have loved experimenting with different additions and adjuncts to see what changed. Thank you for this trip down memory lane.
Very nice! Now you should think about a way how to conserve the beauty of such a chemical garden. Swapping the silica-solution without breaking the fragile crystals with epoxy would be great. Unfortunately this wouldn´t work I suppose. Freeze drying perhaps at very low temperatures after a sudden freezing shock with liquid N2 perhaps ?
I actually think the epoxy thing could possibly be made to work! Most of the water could be very carefully siphoned out and replaced with resin without damaging the crystals (they're tougher than they look). The issue I guess then would be that I'm not super familiar with resin and Idk if it would cure properly with water present, and it's not possible to dry this without changing the color and structure a whole lot. Although.. the very last shot of the iron growth in the test tube was 3 months later. They do hold up well in the Silicate solution itself.
@@integral_chemistry It works. But you have to be very careful and use some tricks. First, dilute hydrochloric acid solution must be added to the top of the silicate solution, which forms a solid layer of silica to which the branches can grow. Then you poke two holes in the silica lid and carefully pour off the silicate solution. You then fill the garden with the synthetic resin components through one of the holes and allow it to harden. The real challenge will be to remove the entire object from the beaker in one piece. You may have to break it open carefully.
That's pretty cool! I wonder what would happen if you dripped drops of concentrated salt solution to the solution of sodium silicate, would it just form a cloudy precipitate or would a soft shell form around the droplet?
A nice experiment that I did as a child. However, I did this with purchased water glass, which can still be found easily and cheaply in any pharmacy and many hardware stores. The problem with homemade silicate is the excess of alkali hydroxide, which itself forms insoluble heavy metal salts and interferes with silicate growth. The fastest and most beautifully growing salts are ferric chloride, manganese sulfate and cobalt chloride. Alkaline and alkaline earth metal salts are less suitable. Things get interesting and really colorful when a little yellow ferrocyanate is added. Other complex salts are completely unsuitable. Disposal is a mess. Because of the heavy metals, the entire approach belongs in the problem waste collection. Under no circumstances should silicate solution be disposed of down the drain. There is a great risk of a pipe blockage that is difficult to remove due to a combination of other chemicals that are subsequently flushed down.
I do need to buy actual water glass, the stuff I can make myself is indeed far too alkaline for many projects I want to do.. and yeah I always mean to be more diligent about safety and disposal warnings but I always forget.. at this point I should probably make a stand-alone safety vid and pin it to my main profile page. In any case I'm somewhat surprised to hear that Iron (III) Makes the best structures, and a bit surprised at myself for not giving it a try. I think I'm just adverse to iron (III) as it always seems to stain everything or make a big annoying mess. I'll have to give it a smaller scale try not though because that sounds very interesting!
As per several other comments please do this again with different mineral salts and possibly smaller chunks for more varied colours my kids found this really cool
I 1000% agree. If I'm being totally honest though the whole time-lapse process (over the course of several hours, days, etc) is completely alien to me. I've got no idea how it's done or where to even start
@@integral_chemistry- Another way is via a bit of acid/DMT, I was told it makes you walk in a beautiful chemical garden. heh I like your "pading" videos to keep the heat down from MA. ;D ;D
@@BillAnt LMAO glad you caught that. I've got TNT, RDX, and TNG that I really want to put videos out on but I'm trying to space them out to "keep down the heat"
@@integral_chemistry I'm not a content creator but those seem more like blockbuster releases that you might wanna sit on. I've only made 2 of those myself - do you get a breakdown of views by location? I decided to take my old website down after a huge uptake in views from Iraq and Afghanistan, but that was a different time. Also the DOJ nastygram letter, although that was more about Al/KClO4 possession.
@@integral_chemistry i did a quick search and it does actually seem like they're still around-- but the slightly friendlier/safer crystal growing kits seem to be both more common and cheaper
Thank you! I think I'm going to try it again using only metal chlorides. For some reason (probably related to density) metal chlorides grow crystals the fastest, and so I could probably get an actual timelapse.
@@integral_chemistry if chlorides grow faster because of density, then wouldn't it makr se se that fluorides are even faster? Sounds really interesting! Cant wait to see it!
@GAFUKIS yeah if that's why then Fluorides would definitely be the fastest. To be honest I think the only Fluoride salt I have is NaF but maybe I'll try making some iron Fluoride and give it a try
Could a bubbler establish an oxygen concentration gradient within the growth tank. Then using manganese or vanadium might get crystals changing color as they grow.
Oh wow yeah that's an interesting idea. The iron kinda did that on its own with the older growth going from white, to green, and then kinda orange. I'll have to give that a shot
I would absolutely like to see more of this! This is like a chemist's zen garden! Beautiful! EDIT: I'd love to see what grows after a partial destruction of the garden, since it seems that things start reacting again immediately after your break the structures. Also, after some time, the cobalt complex actually looked really dense and interesting. I think that, if your follow this video up, you should include some of it in future runs.
Also please do another in depth video or at least a series. I've been researching the formation of moss Agates, and other types of silicon based formations as some is biological in origin but a lot is chemical based. A lot of what I've read is theoretical since no one has been able to recreate an agate in a lab setting.
That looks amazing. Thanks for sharing. I have a more practical question - how long does it last? If you contain it without access to water/oxygen does it stay “nice” for months/years?
Might be interesting to expand this experiment/demonstration by using other bases besides silicate like carbonates, phosphates, vanadates, cyanometallates, or even just hydroxide.
Is the garden stable after it is formed, or will there be degrading over time? And are there fluorescent salts that can be used? Or phosphorescent, you mentioned aluminium salts...
Yeah its quite stable when it's totally finished, although VERY fragile. I kept the test tube scale iron growth in a test tube and it's still doing fine all these months later. As for fluorescent salts, the only things I could think of that might work are terbium or europium. Their chlorides would certainly work no problem! Very expensive though.
Starting with a saturated solution of Sodium Silicate, how to make a 1M solution? Just winging it, how much water is too much water? These are questions I wish I knew the answers to. Otherwise, thank you!
The main problem here would not even be the toxic heavy metal salts or the corrosive excess hydroxide. The razor-sharp microcrystals of the silicate in the digestive tract would ultimately have a fatal effect...
@@user255 Don't forget that silicate is converted to silica with stomach acid. And remember how hard it is to clean this from glassware and how easy it may block the drain - so I certainly wouldn't want to have this in my digestion system... 😉
The "destruction part" is a bit more gentle than I thought.
lol it was now that you mention it
Please please please make another video on this with the wider variety of minerals you mentioned. This is honestly one of the coolest chemistry related videos I have seen on youtube in quite a while. Keep it up man, you are amazing!
Thank you so much!! I'm so glad to hear you found this interesting as I wasn't even sure whether to release it (thinking people would find it boring). I've got a huge number of ideas on how to expand this, and I've gotten even more ideas from the comments section here. Already a WIP
@@integral_chemistry You presented this video in a a really interesting, engaging & entertaining way. I am greatful that you decided to release this and am avidly looking forward to the follow-ups you have planned. I feel lucky to have stumbled across your channel in the first place because your content and style of presentation is unique and fresh.
Cheers to you man 🤙
I had a proffessor that specialized in this. He spends all his free time growing these gardens
I wish I could see the stuff he made I’m sure it would have been beautiful
@@kayne2075 I didn't see much of it bc that week we had a lot to do, but that guy has to be internationally known or sth, he had us crystallize lysozymes and according to him the way we did it is the only known way possible besides doing it in zero gravity. Idk tho, I'm not big into crystallography. I have pics tho
@@jorgeharoowhat course did you do
@@danielwinstanley4703 I'm doing a degree in Pharmacy in southern Spain, I took an optional subject called Pharmacy - applied geology and crystallography. We mainly did crystallography tho, besides XRD and use of minerals for treatments or as excipients
@@danielwinstanley4703 pharmacy in southern Spain, I took an optional course of crystallography
I remember when I was a kid (80's) my grandmother tried to expose us to all kinds of things to spark our interest. She would buy a kit, I believe it was called a "magic rock garden", to do this very thing.
I loved watching the growth over time. Every morning I would check it out while I ate breakfast, the garden was safely out of reach of my food.
If I knew how it all worked I would have loved experimenting with different additions and adjuncts to see what changed.
Thank you for this trip down memory lane.
Very nice! Now you should think about a way how to conserve the beauty of such a chemical garden. Swapping the silica-solution without breaking the fragile crystals with epoxy would be great. Unfortunately this wouldn´t work I suppose. Freeze drying perhaps at very low temperatures after a sudden freezing shock with liquid N2 perhaps ?
I actually think the epoxy thing could possibly be made to work! Most of the water could be very carefully siphoned out and replaced with resin without damaging the crystals (they're tougher than they look). The issue I guess then would be that I'm not super familiar with resin and Idk if it would cure properly with water present, and it's not possible to dry this without changing the color and structure a whole lot.
Although.. the very last shot of the iron growth in the test tube was 3 months later. They do hold up well in the Silicate solution itself.
Could you slowly dilute/exchange the solution with water and then an (acrylate?) gel and crosslink it?
@@integral_chemistry
It works. But you have to be very careful and use some tricks. First, dilute hydrochloric acid solution must be added to the top of the silicate solution, which forms a solid layer of silica to which the branches can grow. Then you poke two holes in the silica lid and carefully pour off the silicate solution.
You then fill the garden with the synthetic resin components through one of the holes and allow it to harden.
The real challenge will be to remove the entire object from the beaker in one piece. You may have to break it open carefully.
That's pretty cool! I wonder what would happen if you dripped drops of concentrated salt solution to the solution of sodium silicate, would it just form a cloudy precipitate or would a soft shell form around the droplet?
Thats actually a very interesting idea! My gut says a soft shell but I'll have to give that a test.
To make chemical "jelly drops", I recommend dropping heavy metal solutions into sodium alginate solution.
Damn that looked real good
I need a nicer camera, this one doesn't even do it justice
A nice experiment that I did as a child.
However, I did this with purchased water glass, which can still be found easily and cheaply in any pharmacy and many hardware stores.
The problem with homemade silicate is the excess of alkali hydroxide, which itself forms insoluble heavy metal salts and interferes with silicate growth.
The fastest and most beautifully growing salts are ferric chloride, manganese sulfate and cobalt chloride.
Alkaline and alkaline earth metal salts are less suitable.
Things get interesting and really colorful when a little yellow ferrocyanate is added.
Other complex salts are completely unsuitable.
Disposal is a mess. Because of the heavy metals, the entire approach belongs in the problem waste collection.
Under no circumstances should silicate solution be disposed of down the drain. There is a great risk of a pipe blockage that is difficult to remove due to a combination of other chemicals that are subsequently flushed down.
I do need to buy actual water glass, the stuff I can make myself is indeed far too alkaline for many projects I want to do.. and yeah I always mean to be more diligent about safety and disposal warnings but I always forget.. at this point I should probably make a stand-alone safety vid and pin it to my main profile page.
In any case I'm somewhat surprised to hear that Iron (III) Makes the best structures, and a bit surprised at myself for not giving it a try. I think I'm just adverse to iron (III) as it always seems to stain everything or make a big annoying mess. I'll have to give it a smaller scale try not though because that sounds very interesting!
As per several other comments please do this again with different mineral salts and possibly smaller chunks for more varied colours my kids found this really cool
Just Mind-blowing!
This was so beautiful! 😍 I definitely want to do this at some point.
Excellent!
I remember those as a kid. Well done! Thanks!
Very cool. Would be interesting to see a time-lapse of the growth if you decide to do it again.
I 1000% agree. If I'm being totally honest though the whole time-lapse process (over the course of several hours, days, etc) is completely alien to me. I've got no idea how it's done or where to even start
@@integral_chemistry Sounds like an experiment in it's own right.
Bet the flavour would be immense 🤤😋
Forbidden rock candy
@@integral_chemistry- Another way is via a bit of acid/DMT, I was told it makes you walk in a beautiful chemical garden. heh I like your "pading" videos to keep the heat down from MA. ;D ;D
@@BillAnt LMAO glad you caught that. I've got TNT, RDX, and TNG that I really want to put videos out on but I'm trying to space them out to "keep down the heat"
@@integral_chemistry - Great minds think alike... can't wait.... that will "blow" up your channel. ;D ;D
@@integral_chemistry I'm not a content creator but those seem more like blockbuster releases that you might wanna sit on. I've only made 2 of those myself - do you get a breakdown of views by location? I decided to take my old website down after a huge uptake in views from Iraq and Afghanistan, but that was a different time. Also the DOJ nastygram letter, although that was more about Al/KClO4 possession.
who knew those little kits they make for kids were actually so cool!
They certainly used to be! As of the last 10 years or so safety laws are such I doubt they sell these for kids anymore :/
@@integral_chemistry i did a quick search and it does actually seem like they're still around-- but the slightly friendlier/safer crystal growing kits seem to be both more common and cheaper
This looks so cool!! I would love to see more of this!
Thank you! I think I'm going to try it again using only metal chlorides. For some reason (probably related to density) metal chlorides grow crystals the fastest, and so I could probably get an actual timelapse.
@@integral_chemistry if chlorides grow faster because of density, then wouldn't it makr se se that fluorides are even faster? Sounds really interesting! Cant wait to see it!
@GAFUKIS yeah if that's why then Fluorides would definitely be the fastest. To be honest I think the only Fluoride salt I have is NaF but maybe I'll try making some iron Fluoride and give it a try
@@integral_chemistry thanks for considering my idea! 😊😊
Could a bubbler establish an oxygen concentration gradient within the growth tank. Then using manganese or vanadium might get crystals changing color as they grow.
Oh wow yeah that's an interesting idea. The iron kinda did that on its own with the older growth going from white, to green, and then kinda orange. I'll have to give that a shot
The “growths” are quite fragile, a “gas storm” would destroy the “garden”...
amazing! keep up the good work!!!
I would absolutely like to see more of this! This is like a chemist's zen garden! Beautiful!
EDIT: I'd love to see what grows after a partial destruction of the garden, since it seems that things start reacting again immediately after your break the structures.
Also, after some time, the cobalt complex actually looked really dense and interesting. I think that, if your follow this video up, you should include some of it in future runs.
Great !
Yes, please, add more metals to chemical garden!
Wicked brother
Also please do another in depth video or at least a series. I've been researching the formation of moss Agates, and other types of silicon based formations as some is biological in origin but a lot is chemical based. A lot of what I've read is theoretical since no one has been able to recreate an agate in a lab setting.
That looks amazing. Thanks for sharing. I have a more practical question - how long does it last? If you contain it without access to water/oxygen does it stay “nice” for months/years?
This was good
Might be interesting to expand this experiment/demonstration by using other bases besides silicate like carbonates, phosphates, vanadates, cyanometallates, or even just hydroxide.
Yeah it's actually kinda staggering to think about how broadly this vid can be expanded.. still thinking what I'd like to try first
Neat!
Stalactites - hold the ceiling tight, Stalagmites
- grow from the floor with mite.
I use "hold to the ceiling tite", and "they mite reach the ceiling"
Is the garden stable after it is formed, or will there be degrading over time? And are there fluorescent salts that can be used? Or phosphorescent, you mentioned aluminium salts...
Yeah its quite stable when it's totally finished, although VERY fragile. I kept the test tube scale iron growth in a test tube and it's still doing fine all these months later.
As for fluorescent salts, the only things I could think of that might work are terbium or europium. Their chlorides would certainly work no problem! Very expensive though.
@@integral_chemistry Thx!
Vaguely related: Are the coatings of fluorescent tubes an interesting source of chemicals?
@@integral_chemistry maybe some rhenium tricarbonyl phenanthroline bromide?
Let’s see more of this!
you killed it! 😭
How does the naOH react so quickly with the SiO2. Shouldnt it be heated first. It seems very quick
I'm assuming it was because of all the heat generated when the NaOH dissolved in the water
Probably. Its kind of amazing that NaOH can react with sand so vigorously
Starting with a saturated solution of Sodium Silicate, how to make a 1M solution? Just winging it, how much water is too much water? These are questions I wish I knew the answers to. Otherwise, thank you!
All the people commenting about the forbidden flavor, yet none of them brave enough to try butt chugging.
part 2!
i wonder how it'd taste😋
Hmmm.. metallic 😅😅
The main problem here would not even be the toxic heavy metal salts or the corrosive excess hydroxide.
The razor-sharp microcrystals of the silicate in the digestive tract would ultimately have a fatal effect...
@@experimental_chemistry I doubt that. Silicate minerals are abundant in nature without ill effects. It seems to be harmful only in lungs.
@@user255
Don't forget that silicate is converted to silica with stomach acid. And remember how hard it is to clean this from glassware and how easy it may block the drain - so I certainly wouldn't want to have this in my digestion system... 😉
@@experimental_chemistry Well, yes, big clump would certainly be a problem!
Yeah bro very cool i m excited to seee i m the first one!
No last when they're listed from newest to oldest
Lol I gotta check how my comments are listed 😅