Hi Ranveer, please invite Mr. R. Balakrishnan IAS (retired), renowned Tamil Scholar, Indologist to your show. His contributions are remarkable in this field.
@@bamam6165 Has he written any book . Pl give the name . I have listened many of his speachs which are full of lies .He is a DMK man and speaks against Hindu civilisation .
20:41 kurinji- lord Muruga; Kotravai- Palai; mullai- mayon/ Vishnu; Marudam- Indra; neidhal- Varuna. Tholkappiyam mentions this clearly. There is no fusing or anything
she's mentioning the mix of the northern and southern beliefs, hence "fusing". But she did get the gods for the respective landmasses very wrong, as murugan is not from marutham especially when he is referred to as kurinji kizhavan.
@Soul-c9e yes she is not well informed about sangam literature. Half knowledge is far more dangerous. She says Kanaghi was a jain. But she as per sangam literature was a daughter of a Ma Se Tuan as per sangam literature. Father was chinese and my mother was Tamil. Ranveer please do your research on your guest well. Quality is going down. Please
@@ananthanarayanan7122I also found her half knowledged . Because i have quite research on sangam period and there was Vedic Hinduism in sangam era too .
Who ever born as Tamilian they are very lucky . Tamil Nadu is the place where lord Shiva, Parvathi Ammal literally lived there. They should be feel very proud.
All the gods lived in some point of time in all over india! Even lord subrahmanya swamy when he came to earth first time he stepped in andhrapradesh not in tamil nadu
@sudharsansundar8425 she did spread false information. There is no "Tamil history" without Vedic religion. The Vedas are mentioned in many early Sangam literature texts (written around 300BCE-300AD), including: Aiṅkuṟunūṟu: Praises the Vedas Kuṟuntokai: Praises the Vedas Patiṟṟuppattu: Praises the Vedas Paripāṭal: Praises the Vedas Kalittokai: Praises the Vedas Akanāṉūṟu: Praises the Vedas Paṭṭiṉappālai: Mentions that priests of Ancient Tamilakam chanted the four Vedas Perumpāṇāṟṟuppaṭai: Mentions a yupa post (a Vedic altar) in a Brahmin village The Vedas are the Rig, Yajur, Sama, and Atharvana Vedas, which are considered to be texts that are filled with deep meaning. The Vedas are said to speak of the praise of God, sacrificial rites, mantras, witchcraft, and mantras for controlling fears in practical life. In ancient Tamil Nadu, the Vedas were read by almost every caste. In parts of South India, the Vedas are called Maṛai or Vaymoli, where Marai literally means "hidden, a secret, mystery".
18:08 Ranganathaswamy Temple in Srirangam, Tamil Nadu has been archaeologically dated to 100 BCE to 100 CE. This temple also finds mention in Ramayana which written way earlier. I don’t know what she’s talking about at all!
The temple wasn’t built in 100 BCE, the wiki proof you took clearly claims that the stone inscriptions in the temple come from 100 BCE-100 CE. The temple along with its gopuram was built between 100 CE to 300 CE, atleast learn to read properly from your own proof. The Ramayana doesn’t mention the temple at all, its mentions the god to whom the temple was built for. It’s two different things just because a church was built for Jesus in the 19th century doesn’t make 2000 years old.
I think there is a mistake in her perception; Kanaki's husband Kovalan tried to sell the anklet only in the City of Madurai, capital of Pandya dynasty and had been killed in Madurai NOT like she mentioned in Poompuhar. Poompuhar was with the Chola's. Kanaki set fire or cursed Madurai and not Poomphar. There is a seperate section called Madurai Kaandam in Silapadhikaaram.
@@bilarcus she is confused with many things. Kanagi’s family were not Jains, they were Hindus. Kanagi’s anklet did not contain diamonds but it had Manick / Ruby. She is confused
She also doesn't know that Silappadikaram is being taught in all TN schools for students studying Tamil even as second language....at least till some years ago.
The author of silapadhikaram was a Hindu while he started writing the literature, midway he converted to jainsm which is evident if we read the silapadhikaram thoroughly.
I am from Tamil nadu and play the podcast so eagerly and curious but at the end I am so disappointed that most of the facts are wrong so many stories are misinterpted here. Not expect such podcast from TRS. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO INVITE AN HISTORIAN WHO KNOW FACTS CORRECTLY AND CONVEY IT IN YOUR PODCAST. So many north indians who doesn't know these golorious stories will definetely going to get wrong information. It true there so many golorious stories in tamil literature as well as people who are well-versed in this concept. But your not finding the correct person to describe it your TRS podcast is such a disappointment.
She "thinks" she is a historian but she doesn't know Tamil. How can she talk about Tamil or South Indian history without knowing Tamil. You don't choose the right person. She is a brat without foundation. I know that the North Indians choose these kinds of people to suit your agenda. That is why Tamils "hate" your narrative without any foundation
@beerbiceps i respect the effort of curiosity into tamil history which is always a mystery. I would appreciate a podcast from a native tamilian which you haven't been able achieve so far for a billion dollar business. So all the best
For many times I am shouting in your podcast to bring in Dr.Amarnath Ramakrishna who is from ASI, has done lot of unearthing in the Rakhigari region and many more places. He is a well versed person both knowledge wise and should see the amount of facts that he will bring to the table. He is such an asset and his knowledge is a wide spectrum. Also Prof.Deivanayagam he is an old man who is also exceptionally good in his work he has worked at the UNESCO world heritage site in foreign countries. He is a living encyclopedia for Tamil Dynasties which existed. These people they need atleast 3-4 hours podcast which which will be an enlightment to the viewers, I have met Prof.Deivanayagam and yet to meet Mr.Amarnath. I am pretty much sure people who wants to learn will learn from them rest just ignore if you are self righteous. Thank you for talking about aga-naanooru and pura-naanooru these are some of the old literatures which was gone out of the wind for discussion. Places like Adhichanaluur are not being spoken widely as well as Arikamedu. We were mainly worshipers of nature and weapons because these were the protectors and givers to the human like. Earlier temples were built with wood and baked stones that’s why there will be very less or no temples evidence before 4th century in TN. It was the Pallavas who taught to build temples by rock cut method. Great example Mamallapuram. If you want an example of an early temple visit Tiger Caves near adjacent to that premise there is the existence of an Murugan Temple which was built using the baked stones and top of that rock cut temple. Now moving in to Sangam Period no one knows how old is the 1st sangam period. The `1st Tamizh Sangam would have happened before 500BC but sadly there is not much of evidence for that, so that is topic for discussion or speculation. Rightly said there was NO Hinduism being followed until the 4th century, but even at that time Lord Muruga was the only GOD who was worshiped and then later SIVA & PARVATHY was included, example again Mamallapuram. GANESHA was very lately included in the 5th century. But I have heard an historian stating that there was a single temple for Lord GANESHA which was built during the 4th century, there are again lot speculation and discussion which is required the genuineness of this subject. Kotravai was the war GOD and GODESS for protection but she has missed mentioning that native GOD for Kurnji is LORD MURUGAN, It was referred that he had a family fight he descended down to south and lived on the hills. I definitely disagree that we are out of Africa, I do not buy that nonsense because there is not much of exposing done that is mainly because of Government. Example is Center not allowing or pulling out projects from South India because of the findings, trust me like Keezhadi there are more places to be dug which will take close to or even past Harappa Culture. People who are quoting about Nilesh Ok and Praveen Mohan please do not take them serious because they are just good story tellers. Also question the traditional historians why not. Thank you for mentioning about Silapathekaram, Manimegalai. These are great works of historical reference like she mentioned that there could be glorification on par but at the same timer there could be evidences leading to the writing of these poems, which can not be discounted. There is definitely division of subjugation of South History. Iron age was found in Chennai Tambaram, again I am circling back to Aadhichanalur. The great example of exogamous is the Tamil queen married by the Kemar king from Combodia. I have not heard about Natrinai, need to read about that. Kalabara or it can be said as Kalaparar period rightly said not the dark age just because the evidence being missing during that time frame. People did live and would have been happy it is just that some thing went wrong during that period where the evidence were gone missing. What I have heard from the historians say that Pandavas are the 1st king from there Cholas and Cheras subdivided into. Some even say that LORD SIVA is the Pallava King that is very speculative topic to be discussed. There were not much of fights because there would have been brotherly and fights among the territory for kingdom would have been there. But whenever there was a northern invasion surely these kings would have united to stop the force. There were would have been enmity among them but they would have also had a common enemy. Thanks for mentioning that Malayalam branched out Tamizh and so does Kanada, Telugu but it is a sad part that none of these language speaking people without knowing ohistory or deep diving in to the facts talk utterly nonsense. We have to start limiting the Mughals history to one or two pages, EIC [East India Company] to again one or two chapters, then rest should be about the Marathas, Cheras, Cholas, Pandayas, Pallavas, Rashtra Kuthas, Vijaynagar Empire, more research should be put in to North East empires which I strongly recommend. Indian History school books should contain only Indian History and not outsiders history that’s the baffling part which is happening for the past 60 years. We should all celebrate our kings and queens like Velu Nachaiar and many more. People from Western Indian and Norther India should acknowledge these topics and subjects they can’t be bullish in self proclaiming in what is being taught in their Universities and Schools by some shoddy character teacher who is half baked with a sinister approach. All are Indians we are all children of Mother India. Vaazhgar Bharatham Valargae Bharatham.
If Temples essentially started existing with the Guptas, then what about "The Mundeshwaari temple" in Bihar? It's been dated back to 108 CE by the ASI itself. The base of the temple still remains (the rest being demolished by islamic invaders) , with it's absolutely different hexagonal structure which doesn't resemble any conventional temple...
Actually stones or concrete temples started building when Greek arrived in India. The first known Hindu temples was built by bindusara in sachi which is now in ruins . Before that there might be temples of mud or wood which obviously can't survive to till date . So it's stupid to say temples started building only in this era . Actually most of Archeologist and historian do so which is again stupidity. In village, we have small shrine dedicated to gramdevta which is not so grand and long lasting.
She very clearly said current temple structures. She mentions the megalithic structures which were places of worship/ rituals as well as her stone worship. Why is it so hard to understand?
She is a Malayali and I am surprised at her mispronounciation and half-baked knowledge. She pronounced Vijay Nagar as Vijay Nagara. Don't call any self-proclaimed scholars. She is just an assistant professor and that too in Kerala.
She knows nothing about Sangam literature. There are many references of Hindu Gods and Goddesses. The deity she mentioned is also wrong. Kurinji is Seyon (Karthikeyan), Mullai is Mayon (Vishnu), Marudam is Vendan (Indira) and Neithal is Kadalon (Varunan).
Talking about Tamil Nadu history, with a person who is not a Tamil. Funny. Is this a fair representation for Tamils? Talking about scientific but does not have common sense.
@@lefthand7593She didn't actually present evidences present in the exact songs, she didn't evidence siddhas and what they had written on science and medicine. Etc etc... Happy on what she has spoken but she missed a lot.. eg. Poombuhar, evidences of various sunamis...etc etc
@@lefthand7593 no, because she poisonously seeds the separatist mindset. Also because according to BR Ambedkar, Aryan-Dravidian philosophy is reserved for dustbin.
For tamilians we worship our ancestors as god munnor valipadu,or the one who sacrifices his life in order to protect the community. This is still following ❤
U have chosen a wrong one to know about sangam literature and tamil history Sorry Ranveer. This podcast doesn't got anything about Sangam literature she doesn't know anything about it, also lot of wrong references for instance there are only 63 nayanmars, she speaks nothing about Tholkappiyam which speaks a lot about the Tamil language, Thirukural is roughly about 2000 year old work and it has got a lot of reference about lord shiva and other Hindu deities if there where no Hinduism back then how is it possible to Talk about Lord Shiva in it. Even in-fact the 1st Tamil sangam happened under the watch of Lord Shiva himself being the chief guest. Also got a lot of wrong reference about 3 kings, kilavan means Thailiavan (Leader) the one who heads, a lot of misinterpretations and misunderstandings
I would say the same. A person who talks about Sangam period would pronounce words perfectly.. She is a very wrong person.. Ranveer Bro.. as you said Praveen Mohan’s videos are excellent ones to understand South India…It starts from Thirukkural or way way beyond. Please get correct person to talk on Sangam or Tamil literature or anything what happened in 10000BC. This is very important as the current generation should get correct information.
Buddy.. recent interviews you have chosen two wrong people to discuss about South India.. one is Madam Gowri which is a blunder.. second would be this person.. she is factually wrong..
She has her facts wrong. Get someone who is a true historian. She is NOT an authority on Sangam literature. She has some high level understanding and is building on it
I am a Tamilian, and a huge fan of TRS... This episode is very disappointing.. wrongly narrated stories.. call a Tamil historians who really knowsTamil literature...
There was temples during Silapathigaram time which was part of Sangam (2nd period). Silapathigaram mentions the boundaries of Tamilnadu from Kanyakumari to Tirupati and mentions about the Temple of Vishnu is Tirupati and Srirangam
@ why are you shifting g the goal posts now? Are you comparing the Burj calipha to LIC building? Her point was there were no temples in Sangam. I say there were temples- evidence - Silapathigaram and Manimegalai. Whether it was like how it is today or how these temples will become tomorrow is not the question
Vadavengadam means not tirupati It's far far area North of tirupati. The far far lands above tirupati were called vada-vengadam. Vengadam means tirupati.
Hey, just for my knowledge .. what is Dravida then .. is it a particular geography, demography or a cultural identity? I am open to being educated about it.
A Sri Lankan here; The godess Pattini is very popular here; its one ofthe main godesses practiced among Sri Lankan Buddhists; As a Buddhist kid in SL, I had been hearing this story of Kannagi and Kovalan since i was very very young and there are also Sinhala films with the story of Pattini Dhevi;
@@abishek8585 Dravidian is an artificial term created by some people so that people of other south states can come and interfere in Tamil affairs. Can you imagine a Tamil talking about mallu culture ? It's not allowed. Only Tamil is iliccha vaayan
Kannagi comes to meet the pandya king at madurai. She later burns madurai & not poompuhar. The guest is not willing to give due importance to tamil culture. All the sangam literature is in tamil & sangams were established in madurai.we also had women poets in those times. We still learn silapathikaram in school. It is still possible to learn & understand the tamil of those times
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I appreciate how TRS has brought on so many respected historians and Indologists, shedding light on the complexities of Indian history, both North and South. It’s been refreshing to see experts untangle these narratives for audiences genuinely interested in understanding our heritage. However, I’d suggest being cautious with guests like Malavika Binny. Having listened to her Malayalam speeches, I feel that much of the information she shares isn’t evidence-based and seems to promote a specific ideological perspective. As a left-leaning Catholic, her approach to Indian history, particularly in relation to Sanatan Dharma, often feels influenced by Western ideas that could confuse viewers genuinely interested in understanding India's authentic history and cultural roots. It would be amazing if TRS could continue to invite more established archeologists/self-taught historians like Anica Mann, KK Muhammed, Nilesh Oak, Raj Vedam, and others who bring well-researched and balanced perspectives to the table. Thanks for considering this feedback, and keep up the great work in showcasing India’s rich legacy!
@@ripsanskrit3609 Historically, many prominent historians were not formally trained in history as an academic discipline because it didn't exist in its current form until relatively recently. For example: Herodotus, often called the "Father of History," was not part of any formal institution but collected stories and accounts during his travels. Edward Gibbon, author of The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, was not academically trained as a historian. These individuals pursued history out of personal passion, intellectual curiosity, and a commitment to understanding the past. Their work laid the groundwork for modern historical scholarship. Today, history is an established academic discipline with rigorous methodologies. Historians typically undergo formal training, earning degrees and specializing in particular periods or regions. However, there are still self-taught individuals who contribute significantly to historical writing. These include journalists, writers, and enthusiasts who approach history through independent research. And if you believe that she has explained Tamil history well here, I suggest you to explore further and deepen your understanding of Tamil history.
Dear Ranveer, I didn't watch this podcast yet. If you want your viewers to know more about Chola history, please invite Prof. Dr. C.G. Deivanayagam to your podcast.
@beerbiceps have a podcast with amarnath ramakrishnan the most eligible person to speak south indian history. He wss the project head for keezhadi excavations… most knowledgeable archaeologist in india. Such a smart and educated man
As a native of tamilnadu , I can assure that mostly many people in tamilnadu knows about the story of silappathikaram and that story begins in Poompuhar, where Kannagi and Kovalan live. Kovalan, after falling for the courtesan Madhavi and losing his wealth, decides to move to Madurai with Kannagi to start afresh. In Madurai, the Pandya king Nedunchezhiyan unjustly punishes Kovalan, leading to his tragic death. Kannagi proves his innocence, leading to the destruction of Madurai due to her curse. And poompuhar was ruled by chola king, so this is a huge mistake that urged me to address this. 💫And I also wants to mention many facts about this great epic which makes it unique: 🌟 Silappathikaram was written by Ilango Adigal who is believed to be the brother of Cheran Senguttuvan, a prominent king of the Chera dynasty. After destroying madurai, kannagi moves to the chera dynasty and rests along the banks of river in a fatal state and it is believed that illango adigal met her there and heard her story, after hearing that he decided to write this story into an epic. 🌟 this silappathikaram and Manimegalai are called Twin Epics because manimegalai is a continuation of silappathikaram , as manimegalai revolves around Manimegalai character who is the daughter of Madhavi (the courtesan) and Kovalan, who were key characters in Silappathikaram. it is very rare to see a twin epic in ancient times. 🌟 It is also very unique that this epic starts in chola kingdom and ends in the pandya kingdom and is written by the person from chera kingdom
Ask her to explain why in sangam literature silappadhikaram, the Jain author, Ilango adigaL , talks about how kovalan’s character was referenced against Rama ! The pandarangam dance referring to Shiva's dance. Kannagi, kovalan and everyone in different point in the epic, pray to Shiva, and for Go'd's sake this was written by a jain monk!
Exactly. She made lots of errors in this video. Avvaiyar was a devotee of Murugan. And she lived 2000 years ago. And yet the girl in the video claims Murugan appeared just a thousand years ago.
She is a left historian coming from Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib school. They will argue that only! Silapathigaram mentions clearly about her boundaries of Tamil Nadu till Tirupati. It also mentions about the Srirangam temple and Tirupati temple
@@phoenixj1299 How do you prove that the Muruga was same as Skanda/Karthikeya? She has mentioned about the fusing of North Indian deities with South Indian ones? I am a history student, so I have studies about the long process by which folk deities were fused into puranic deities. Avatar worships Murugan ( a native / pre-existing Sangam god) and not Skanda.
She does mention that Silapadikkaram is ;slightly later' than Sangam .FYI .It is dated to the post-Sangam age. Ramayana story is found in Jainism too , it is called Paumachariyam.
@@AnaghaThomas-k1gThis fusion happened much before Gupta period. The first bhakti movement started from south India in the form of shaivism and Vaishnavism and this movement fused local gods .
That’s a real problem. Sensible, Ppl who are really into Tamil literature don’t make English content. But there is translation of silapathikaram in English u can find in net. You can try thirukural in English translation for understanding Tamil culture and values. ( side note, start with kamathu pal, that deals with kama).
She is right puhar was early pandiyar 's caporal and Marine archaeological research (conducted by the National institute of marine archaeology, Goa) indicates that much of the town was washed away by progressive erosion and floods. Before commenting do some basic knowaboit. Atleast some giving discussion on history if one important region. Othetewise only maya maya saraswsthi aaya.
@@VenkatVs-b8dnever has poompuhar a port of pandiyas. It totally belongs to cholas. Kovalan and kannagi were actually from poompuhar (chola dynasty). Then the execution and other things happened in madurai which is the capital of pandiyas. Don't teach others until you are taught correctly
The speaker is incorrect to say that the current version of Hinduism start by 7the century or there were no temples during sangham period. There several songs praising lord shiva on Sangham literature and mahabalipuram the rock carved temples were built in probably 2 BCE ; so the idea of dharma would have formulated centuries earlier to mature with carving of Ramayana in the mahabalipuram temple
She is absolutely right. Tamil nadu was once Jain and Buddhist state. IT was later converted to hinduism. Even during Karikala cholan Tamilnadu was Buddhist state.
Shiva is pre Vedic deity. In Nepal Local used to worship as Kirateshor and then pashupatinath. Vedic people create purana to add local deities to their pantheon. Then they seem forget to worship their own Vedic Gods like Indra, Barun and started worshiping local deities.
@@bijayahamal1668 Nah, most of the South Indian gods identified with Mediterranean and Roman pagan cultures. Vedic people don't have the concept of these deities and cycle of life. More over, Vedic people were nomads, they don't have anything prior to arriving in India, but at the same time, Indus valley was destroyed. I wonder where they copied these things from.
Why does the Tamil king in your thumbnail have a vertical line (naamam)? Our kings only have pattai on their forehead (three horizontal lines). This guy is agenda driven and that woman itself is not a Tamil, she's a malayali, ask her to talk about the Nambootris that dominated Kerala.
These historians have their own tweaks to history and with their command over language (english) & they will make u believe in their theories and versions . So pls read ....
Read translation of the poem - He gave me many splendid precious jewels that awed me. When my large family saw that, they took the finger ornaments and put them on their ears, put the ear jewels on their fingers, those meant for the waist on their necks, and those meant for the necks on their waists. They were like a huge family of monkeys with gaping red mouths scooping up the beautiful ornaments that fell to the ground, when the mighty demon snatched away enraged Raman’s wife Seethai. Heading a large family and thinking about removing their great sorrow, I was very happy along with them when our poverty and distress were removed.
@@saigurujayendhran I was glad that Ranveer got someone from south to explain the culture but turned out to be a disaster. 1. Mallu explaining Tamil literature 2. Left historians graduated from Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib school 🙄
@@Vikingz7 my man Kannada and Telugu have 2000 year old history....Kannada and Tamil were the first of languages that formed from Proto dravidian languages
@@abednadir5997 Bro there is nothing called Proto dravida language.....in south Oldest Language is Tamil only , not dravida language And Tulu , kannada came next After mixing with Sanskrit and Tamil..... kannada have history but Evryone know , Tamil history so many people don't know that's why this video
Malayalam, Kannada and Telgu are the language derivations of tamil. Regional wise they got separated only after independence, that too, after few years. They were all under Madras Presidency. Hence you can see many temples still have tamil writings in them. Whereas in sabarimala, these writings are hidden later by putting a golden plate on them. You can see tamil writings in kashi vishwanath and kashi vishalakshi temple as well. There are many other languages apart from tamil spoken in tamil nadu. You can say the tamil derivative languages. They have not rebelled for a new state based on language, hence still are inclusive of tamil nadu
She is so wrong. Even the Sangam poems represent Hinduism as practised then. It was a similar story in the north. The traditions and customs may have been added but it doesnt mean that they were not Hindus!
The problem is when we read translation and even modern Tamil translation, a lot of gods are given Vedic names in translation. Like Kadalon is translated as Varuna and Vendan is Indra. Perumal becames Vishnu. And we get confused about what existed before and what came after.
@@theawesomeman9821 Aryans never came... That was British propaganda and so many historians proved it was propaganda.. ahh man you live in information age... stop believing anybody at face value.... what is this Dravidian shit??? Robert Caldwell, a Scottish missionary and bishop, coined the term "Dravidian" in 1856.... man I wish I could show you stuff that these historians are leftist and they ruin our history by spreading misinfo and propaganda.... But anyway believe whatever you want... as this is kali yuga everything will degrade as we go.....
I don't believe that human came into existence in India and I can debunk so many things she says but anyway believe in whatever you are being spoon feeding by them... These western influenced psudo Historians are destroying our culture and civiliazation by spreading misinfo among some truth here and there... The whole podcast she speaks from a perspective that everybody is dumb and she will show us truth... we live in an info age and that too is controlled by the west but if you learn how to uncover, you will find it.... These guys are paid by west to destroy Sanatan, our culture and civilization and don't believe me research on your own... Aryan Invasion is propaganda and her base was they were invaded by aryans so that makes her whole argument false for me.... I can debunk so many stuff but as they will say where is the evidence??? There was advanced civilization pre Iceage and I somewhat agree with Nilesh oak but not entirely.....
This is great... An important history subject not widely known, spoken or thought and almost forgotten and fading .. which was and is the very backbone that shaped civilisation...a realisation revolution needed.... regards and well wishes. God bless
18:05 i dont think she visited Karnataka here the temples are much older and the shiva and devi temples built by kadambas goes back to 3rd Centure CE which are still present ; and i dont think she knows half thing about chalukyas and kingdoms of karnataka and andhra ; talks like graduated from DMK university
@@prantosarathy386 he's not wrong ideologically speaking. But she's Mallu, so she's slightly different (not in a good sense, at least for the exploration of the history of our country).
@@Messupdud dmk has got nothing to do with ancient temples of TN, neither they tried to restore stolen idols nor they strive to preserve any lost glory
@@sridhar4502 No, she talked more on Tamil Nadu because of the Sangam Literature, that Karnataka also shares. But remember Pulikesi is a popular king among Tamils too.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Subtitle Christian propaganda. The Tholkapiyam that predates her 1st Century mentions Vaishnava tridandi sanyasis who exist even today. This woman knows very little about this subject especially Tamil Nadu. Not to mention the written records of the Alwars and Nayanmars.
@@sheshankutty8552Everything is far before for your Jesus Christ rest everything is fascist lol😂😅Go and check the definition of fascism idiot then come here spew ur missionary propaganda
@@jeevaprakashrao9955 the proof of pudding is in eating. She obviously has no knowledge about ancient Tamil literature. She has not spoken one word in Tamil throughout the podcast
I didn’t know about other regions, but in Tamil Nadu schoolbooks, the history of North India is also included, such as the Mughals, Guptas, and Maurya kingdoms, among others. India is not just North or South; it's a whole. We all need to study the complete history of our country. Then only it becomes Indian history; otherwise, it just stays as regional history....
The pantheon she is referring to is identical to vedic, just named differently. So I disagree with the notion that the southern pantheon is different. There is conceptual integrity, only form variance which is a natural freedom w/in Sanatan Dharma.
@@lefthand7593 not really. There are too many similarities between the two pantheons mentioned in the video. And before you say anything like "Oh! But Indra = Zeus!", NO they are not the same. Read their respective texts as well as their conception and you'll know the difference. Whereas, the two pantheons mentioned in the video have an almost 1:1 correlation. The thing that changes is language, and sometimes the lore associated with the deity, which also happens in the Puranas. The story of Dhruva is mentioned in two puranas and its different in both. Would that mean that they're different Dhruvas? No. They're the same Dhruva, written by different people, catering to a different people depending on their spiritual needs.
Everything stolen from Tamil and portrayed as Malayalam. Whereas Malayalam itself is a concoction of Tamil and Sanskrit. Tamil is most ancient and great civilization but they don't know how to display it. I have nothing against Malayalam but Tamils are ignored by introducing a Sanskrit word Dravidian whereas Malayalam don't use term Dravidian. Don't call leftist as historians.
There's no thamil sangam history without Vedic dharma. The Vedas are mentioned in many early Sangam literature texts (written around 300BCE-300AD), including: Aiṅkuṟunūṟu: Praises the Vedas Kuṟuntokai: Praises the Vedas Patiṟṟuppattu: Praises the Vedas Paripāṭal: Praises the Vedas Kalittokai: Praises the Vedas Akanāṉūṟu: Praises the Vedas Paṭṭiṉappālai: Mentions that priests of Ancient Tamilakam chanted the four Vedas Perumpāṇāṟṟuppaṭai: Mentions a yupa post (a Vedic altar) in a Brahmin village The Vedas are the Rig, Yajur, Sama, and Atharvana Vedas, which are considered to be texts that are filled with deep meaning. The Vedas are said to speak of the praise of God, sacrificial rites, mantras, witchcraft, and mantras for controlling fears in practical life. In ancient Tamil Nadu, the Vedas were read by almost every caste. In parts of South India, the Vedas are called Maṛai or Vaymoli, where Marai literally means "hidden, a secret, mystery".
@@MohommadAnsari-i9kwhether tholkappiyam,manimekalai,kundalakesi,silapathikaram classics of tamil prior to 2 nd century a.d,they were either jaina,or buddhist epics,we only have bhakthi literature from 7 th century a.d,so the advent of vedic religion into tamizhagam(kerala,tamil nadu) was from then with advent of aryan brahmins from north like namboothiri,iyer,iyengars,enough of fooling,remember who were the monkey like hanuman,vaali race in south india(current hampi),remember we were dark skinned asuras(dravidians),whom you devas(aryans) fought in deciet,untouchable who (who never followed your vedic stratification,all written by you),you even called dravidians like dasyukhs,dravidas,whore's children because we were never violent,aggressive people due to which we were defeated,and you came into sub continent from central asia,made gujarat,punjab,rajasthan,sindh,west up as ARYAVARTHA(land of aryans as opposed to rest of dravidan lands late4 which you usurped our lands)
Loosu, nothing is stolen. Malayam was Tamil country at some point. But because of the Arrival of Namboothiris, Mayalyam was born. They tried to destroy Tamil there, but could not completely, so Malayam was born with Sanskrit and Tamil mix.
I am from one of tribal communities of Tamil Nadu. I am happy to see conversation on Tamil history and sangam in North Indian's You tube Channel. thank you.
1:01:59. 😂 fantastic conversation, thought provoking, hilarious & I feel like listening with pen & paper. My piece of suggestions to TRS guest recommendations - R. BALAKRISHNAN - IAS AUTHOR OF THE BOOK " THE JOURNEY OF THE CIVILISATION" explained in depth about INDUS TO VAIGAI
@@santoshdimri6537 lol that's not Ma Durga 🤦🏻♂️ that's Kottravai... If u don't understand the historical and regional relevance of it u shouldn't go around saying ur amazed... Obviously a person who has no clue about Chinese will end saying Japanese is same as Chinese.
As the speaker said, Agriculture was invented before 7000 to 9000 years ago, but there is evidence of Rice on the site of Lahuradewa which dates back to 8890 BP. And even though we have much earlier dates of agriculture the crops such as Jujube, Wheat and much more!
A true historian should have an open mind to check the possibilities and dive deep down into other aspects as well. Just debating and batting only for an evidence based study and not looking into the other aspects and possibilities cannot nullify the facts. When an historian thinks and speaks from only a religious or political point of view which he or she follows then such kind of debates obviously happen. Next time bring a better candidate for the show.
Because without evidence anyone can say anything even muslim historians are claiming rig Veda as a muslim text. As very first prophet Adam was born in india.
So you want to entertain made up lies against evidences? Subjective matters are just that, they should in no way influence with no evidence in historical account.
Consider inviting a distinguished historian and an author of many historical books such as Mr. Mannar Mannan to your show, particularly to discuss the history of Tamil Nadu. His insights could provide substantial value, offering not only intriguing perspectives but also significant archaeological evidence. It is essential to ensure that you engage the appropriate individuals for such discussions, rather than someone who may not address the issue correctly
Mr. Mannar mannan, the right choice. His profound knowledge with evidence of archeology linked with history and literature will deliver what you exactly search for Tamilnadu culture. You could see his videos across youtube
Hello Ranveer, this lady appears to be an atheist who can never do justice to the history of dynasties who were highly dharmic in thier historic adventures. She presented a diluted/distilled version which becomes unattractive and un inspiring. You should podcast with someone like Sandeep Balakrishna ji on this topic who do extensive research insyead of cooking up stories and narratives.
Malavika Binny is a historian, having taken her MA and Phd from Jawaharlal Nehru University in history (from Google). Apparently she is an Asst: Professor in History at Kannur University.
It is very clear that this lady has no idea abt Tamil Ancient literature.. Kotravai is Paalai land god.. but she tells that Kotravai as Kurinji land god.. but in fact Murugan/Seyon is the Kurunji land god.. When she is asked to talk about Tamil Ancient Literature.. she talks abt the war between Harshavardhan and Pulikesi..
@@vidyavv87PhD doesn't mean a damn thing now , just coz I have a PhD and believe Aryan invasion myth doesn't mean I have double digit IQ . It's the opp sadly
Even kid in tn will say Poompuhar was a port and madurai was burnt by kannagi.. why do you bring joker as your guest..you are doing a big disservice to sangam and tamil history
If possible please Invite retired IAS officer R Balakrishnan, he has written several books regarding Indus valley civilisation and Sangam period. His contribution to archeology is also very valuable.
I watched television series called Upasna in Hindi around 30 years ago, which I really liked and remembered which had all the characters that you mentioned, my husband is from Kerala and he has no idea about this story. So, I can proudly say I being from North India knew about this story which today I got to know this is Sangam literature story ❤
You are referring to the oldest functional temple in north india. Thats very different to the oldest temple, of which there are many that are contested.
Firstly, the term "Dravidian" itself is an imposed one on us. We are Tamils. The term Dravidian means low-class Brahmins who were kicked down south by the high-class brahmins then. We Tamils have no class difference or caste hierarchy. We were and are living a life of secularism since the time of ages..
Hey Ranveer, I think it would be amazing to have 'The Bogan' from BigBangBogan on the podcast! He has a deep understanding of Indian history, especially the evolution of Hinduism in South India and Tamil Nadu's rich cultural heritage. His insights into Sangam literature and the Aryan invasion theory are thought-provoking and would bring a unique perspective to the conversation. Given your focus on history and culture, I think this could be a fascinating and insightful episode for your audience!
@@raghuls1515 mannar mannan might be a good one but what he speaks is not widely accepted all the places. He speaks a bit controversial things but I think big bang bogan speaks more sensible and also his speech would be widely acceptable
She's talking about "social memory, inter-generational knowledge which is very very difficult to destroy". Suppose In case of an asteroid strike, only people from Thar, Namibia or African deserts survive (as per Ranveer) . They have been seeing Aeroplanes fly and have been using smart phones- internet all this time. After the catastrophic incident, these people will definitely be left with those memories of scrolling through a 6 inch screen but what would be the probability that those people in the midst of a desert or barren land would know the technology or the procedure to rebuild the same smartphone or internet. That is exactly why we have different "SMRITIS" in our culture, which is like a window to peep through into our past. Her arguments are damn flawed....
It amazes me how people of knowledge can have such TIGHTLY shut minds... But it's good to know that she doesn't have double standards at least Would love to see another conversation with her
The professor providing wrong information on Cholas Expedition in SEA region. 1. Not Sailendra Kingdom but Srivijaya Kingdom which the conquest was made. 2. Lineage from Rajendra Chola + Princess from Ganga Negara found Cebu Rajahnate in Philippines. 3. Cholas have deep rooted relationships with Khmer Kingdom and both these Kings are ardent devotees of Shiva.
The true history of Pulakeshi has not been told yet. His political and trade empire stretched till the present day Iran. So much so that he would export weapons and elephants as gift to those kings and make political and trade alliances. There is definitely much more to Kannada history then whats mentioned in this podcast. Please do a podcast only on the Chalukyas, Rastrakootas, Shatavahanas, Kadambas and the mighty Vijayanagara Samrajya. PS: Happy to hear the whole podcast and thoroughly enjoyed Pulakeshi's and Chalukyas time period. Will stay tuned for more 👍
Totally forgot to mention the Hoysala Dynasty and their architectural marvels like the Belur and Halebeedu. Also not to forget the rich Jain sculpture in Shravanabelagola (world's tallest monolithic structure). Chandragiri betta where the emperor Chandra Gupta Maurya takes sallekhana and spends his last days is also situated near Shravanabelagola. Wonder why he chooses this particular place of all the places in his vast Mauryan Empire to attain Moksha/Nirvana. Must be a place of high significance in Hassan, Karnataka. Please do some more podcast on this as well. Ranveer your efforts are much appreciated. Thanks again. Way to go 👍
Hi Ranveer, please invite Mr. R. Balakrishnan IAS (retired), renowned Tamil Scholar, Indologist to your show. His contributions are remarkable in this field.
Strongly agree.. I was about to mention his name.
@@bamam6165 Has he written any book . Pl give the name . I have listened many of his speachs which are full of lies .He is a DMK man and speaks against Hindu civilisation .
Exactly 💯
I met him once, what an acumen.
Thought of him and opened the comments...then found this 😅
Any Tamil here ?
VANAKKAM , NAMASTE, jai Johar, from Chattisgarh my dear brother and sisters.❤❤
Meee A Karnataka tamilian❤️
Vanakam da mapla tamil nadu irruthu
😂😂 @@mathi1442
வணக்கம்🙏
Yes. Wholeheartedly appreciate your wishes. 🫂💟
why do u bring people with less knowledge about tamil history and say it is a tamil history…..
Malavika Binny is a commie so called historian who writes that vilification of Aurangazeb is to target Muesli ms
Because that bundamavan is a BJP bootlicker, if any authentic Tamil people came he will get soothadi from Nagpur owner 😂
what she had spoken is true history.. if she had read the pages of ambulima stories.. it would have delighted you..
@@amtrailsmedia One question. Binny is christian?
@@amtrailsmedia what do you mean bro? I dont understand
I strongly encourage you to listen to the podcast. K. Amarnath Ramakrishna is an Indian archaeologist who specializes in Tamil history.
Agree 🎉
Correct
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Any English version of his speech's...
Great thank you 👍
20:41 kurinji- lord Muruga; Kotravai- Palai; mullai- mayon/ Vishnu; Marudam- Indra; neidhal- Varuna. Tholkappiyam mentions this clearly. There is no fusing or anything
True
she's mentioning the mix of the northern and southern beliefs, hence "fusing". But she did get the gods for the respective landmasses very wrong, as murugan is not from marutham especially when he is referred to as kurinji kizhavan.
@Soul-c9e yes she is not well informed about sangam literature. Half knowledge is far more dangerous. She says Kanaghi was a jain. But she as per sangam literature was a daughter of a Ma Se Tuan as per sangam literature. Father was chinese and my mother was Tamil.
Ranveer please do your research on your guest well. Quality is going down. Please
@@ananthanarayanan7122Maasaathuvan is clearly a Tamil name. My Dad's name is also Maasaathuvan.
@@ananthanarayanan7122I also found her half knowledged . Because i have quite research on sangam period and there was Vedic Hinduism in sangam era too .
Who ever born as Tamilian they are very lucky . Tamil Nadu is the place where lord Shiva, Parvathi Ammal literally lived there. They should be feel very proud.
All the gods lived in some point of time in all over india! Even lord subrahmanya swamy when he came to earth first time he stepped in andhrapradesh not in tamil nadu
Yeah you're right, but the OG form is vastly different from the current neo-vedic format
@irresponsible2728 stepped in Andhrapradesh 🤣 what is the proof for it?
She don't even know the basics of Tamil lands and its Gods yet talking like some Great Historian who did decades of research in the field.
I think you don't know her😂😂😂😂😂 she I an left extremist who critisised even the left government and sympathises with the extremist sdpi
She is just churning out stories. I wonder if she has read the 4000 prabandham
Does your knowledge about it come from critical reading of history or simply adhering to what your parents taught you?
This is a bjp supporting channel
first u learn don’t expect others to teach
Call Historians from Tamilnadu to know about its culture..its very clear that she doesn’t know much about sangam literature or period
truly said
Yes,
True
We can't say she doesn't know. She tried to give an overview of the huge history which can't be covered in one video. Don't spread negativity
@sudharsansundar8425 she did spread false information.
There is no "Tamil history" without Vedic religion.
The Vedas are mentioned in many early Sangam literature texts (written around 300BCE-300AD), including:
Aiṅkuṟunūṟu: Praises the Vedas
Kuṟuntokai: Praises the Vedas
Patiṟṟuppattu: Praises the Vedas
Paripāṭal: Praises the Vedas
Kalittokai: Praises the Vedas
Akanāṉūṟu: Praises the Vedas
Paṭṭiṉappālai: Mentions that priests of Ancient Tamilakam chanted the four Vedas
Perumpāṇāṟṟuppaṭai: Mentions a yupa post (a Vedic altar) in a Brahmin village
The Vedas are the Rig, Yajur, Sama, and Atharvana Vedas, which are considered to be texts that are filled with deep meaning. The Vedas are said to speak of the praise of God, sacrificial rites, mantras, witchcraft, and mantras for controlling fears in practical life.
In ancient Tamil Nadu, the Vedas were read by almost every caste. In parts of South India, the Vedas are called Maṛai or Vaymoli, where Marai literally means "hidden, a secret, mystery".
18:08 Ranganathaswamy Temple in Srirangam, Tamil Nadu has been archaeologically dated to 100 BCE to 100 CE. This temple also finds mention in Ramayana which written way earlier. I don’t know what she’s talking about at all!
😂.. 100bce??? Do you know when people used stones for construction??
The temple wasn’t built in 100 BCE, the wiki proof you took clearly claims that the stone inscriptions in the temple come from 100 BCE-100 CE. The temple along with its gopuram was built between 100 CE to 300 CE, atleast learn to read properly from your own proof. The Ramayana doesn’t mention the temple at all, its mentions the god to whom the temple was built for. It’s two different things just because a church was built for Jesus in the 19th century doesn’t make 2000 years old.
I think there is a mistake in her perception; Kanaki's husband Kovalan tried to sell the anklet only in the City of Madurai, capital of Pandya dynasty and had been killed in Madurai NOT like she mentioned in Poompuhar. Poompuhar was with the Chola's. Kanaki set fire or cursed Madurai and not Poomphar. There is a seperate section called Madurai Kaandam in Silapadhikaaram.
@@bilarcus she is confused with many things. Kanagi’s family were not Jains, they were Hindus. Kanagi’s anklet did not contain diamonds but it had Manick / Ruby. She is confused
She also doesn't know that Silappadikaram is being taught in all TN schools for students studying Tamil even as second language....at least till some years ago.
Kannagi the name itself is very Tamizh no Jain
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The author of silapadhikaram was a Hindu while he started writing the literature, midway he converted to jainsm which is evident if we read the silapadhikaram thoroughly.
I am from Tamil nadu and play the podcast so eagerly and curious but at the end I am so disappointed that most of the facts are wrong so many stories are misinterpted here. Not expect such podcast from TRS. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO INVITE AN HISTORIAN WHO KNOW FACTS CORRECTLY AND CONVEY IT IN YOUR PODCAST. So many north indians who doesn't know these golorious stories will definetely going to get wrong information. It true there so many golorious stories in tamil literature as well as people who are well-versed in this concept. But your not finding the correct person to describe it your TRS podcast is such a disappointment.
She "thinks" she is a historian but she doesn't know Tamil. How can she talk about Tamil or South Indian history without knowing Tamil. You don't choose the right person. She is a brat without foundation. I know that the North Indians choose these kinds of people to suit your agenda. That is why Tamils "hate" your narrative without any foundation
Y do u people bloody hate Hindi people
Karnataka is best
You think its wrong..its actually the real version she just said..
@@MotivationalQ165because hate = hindi
@@ax_luffyNot at all. All manipulated
@beerbiceps i respect the effort of curiosity into tamil history which is always a mystery. I would appreciate a podcast from a native tamilian which you haven't been able achieve so far for a billion dollar business. So all the best
For many times I am shouting in your podcast to bring in Dr.Amarnath Ramakrishna who is from ASI, has done lot of unearthing in the Rakhigari region and many more places. He is a well versed person both knowledge wise and should see the amount of facts that he will bring to the table. He is such an asset and his knowledge is a wide spectrum. Also Prof.Deivanayagam he is an old man who is also exceptionally good in his work he has worked at the UNESCO world heritage site in foreign countries. He is a living encyclopedia for Tamil Dynasties which existed. These people they need atleast 3-4 hours podcast which which will be an enlightment to the viewers, I have met Prof.Deivanayagam and yet to meet Mr.Amarnath. I am pretty much sure people who wants to learn will learn from them rest just ignore if you are self righteous. Thank you for talking about aga-naanooru and pura-naanooru these are some of the old literatures which was gone out of the wind for discussion. Places like Adhichanaluur are not being spoken widely as well as Arikamedu. We were mainly worshipers of nature and weapons because these were the protectors and givers to the human like. Earlier temples were built with wood and baked stones that’s why there will be very less or no temples evidence before 4th century in TN. It was the Pallavas who taught to build temples by rock cut method. Great example Mamallapuram. If you want an example of an early temple visit Tiger Caves near adjacent to that premise there is the existence of an Murugan Temple which was built using the baked stones and top of that rock cut temple. Now moving in to Sangam Period no one knows how old is the 1st sangam period. The `1st Tamizh Sangam would have happened before 500BC but sadly there is not much of evidence for that, so that is topic for discussion or speculation. Rightly said there was NO Hinduism being followed until the 4th century, but even at that time Lord Muruga was the only GOD who was worshiped and then later SIVA & PARVATHY was included, example again Mamallapuram. GANESHA was very lately included in the 5th century. But I have heard an historian stating that there was a single temple for Lord GANESHA which was built during the 4th century, there are again lot speculation and discussion which is required the genuineness of this subject. Kotravai was the war GOD and GODESS for protection but she has missed mentioning that native GOD for Kurnji is LORD MURUGAN, It was referred that he had a family fight he descended down to south and lived on the hills. I definitely disagree that we are out of Africa, I do not buy that nonsense because there is not much of exposing done that is mainly because of Government. Example is Center not allowing or pulling out projects from South India because of the findings, trust me like Keezhadi there are more places to be dug which will take close to or even past Harappa Culture. People who are quoting about Nilesh Ok and Praveen Mohan please do not take them serious because they are just good story tellers. Also question the traditional historians why not. Thank you for mentioning about Silapathekaram, Manimegalai. These are great works of historical reference like she mentioned that there could be glorification on par but at the same timer there could be evidences leading to the writing of these poems, which can not be discounted. There is definitely division of subjugation of South History. Iron age was found in Chennai Tambaram, again I am circling back to Aadhichanalur. The great example of exogamous is the Tamil queen married by the Kemar king from Combodia. I have not heard about Natrinai, need to read about that. Kalabara or it can be said as Kalaparar period rightly said not the dark age just because the evidence being missing during that time frame. People did live and would have been happy it is just that some thing went wrong during that period where the evidence were gone missing. What I have heard from the historians say that Pandavas are the 1st king from there Cholas and Cheras subdivided into. Some even say that LORD SIVA is the Pallava King that is very speculative topic to be discussed. There were not much of fights because there would have been brotherly and fights among the territory for kingdom would have been there. But whenever there was a northern invasion surely these kings would have united to stop the force. There were would have been enmity among them but they would have also had a common enemy. Thanks for mentioning that Malayalam branched out Tamizh and so does Kanada, Telugu but it is a sad part that none of these language speaking people without knowing ohistory or deep diving in to the facts talk utterly nonsense. We have to start limiting the Mughals history to one or two pages, EIC [East India Company] to again one or two chapters, then rest should be about the Marathas, Cheras, Cholas, Pandayas, Pallavas, Rashtra Kuthas, Vijaynagar Empire, more research should be put in to North East empires which I strongly recommend. Indian History school books should contain only Indian History and not outsiders history that’s the baffling part which is happening for the past 60 years. We should all celebrate our kings and queens like Velu Nachaiar and many more. People from Western Indian and Norther India should acknowledge these topics and subjects they can’t be bullish in self proclaiming in what is being taught in their Universities and Schools by some shoddy character teacher who is half baked with a sinister approach. All are Indians we are all children of Mother India. Vaazhgar Bharatham Valargae Bharatham.
Nice to see your excellent narrative facts. Wonder why did you miss Aiya Karunanantan.
Did you say No Hinduism was followed in Tamizh Nadu till 4th century? 😂
I wish atleast this message should be seen by the video maker🎉
Yess❤
Telugu comes in different Dravidian language.Tamil, Telugu Kannada had same origin but that language was different it was not Tamil.
If Temples essentially started existing with the Guptas, then what about "The Mundeshwaari temple" in Bihar? It's been dated back to 108 CE by the ASI itself. The base of the temple still remains (the rest being demolished by islamic invaders) , with it's absolutely different hexagonal structure which doesn't resemble any conventional temple...
Her facts are wrong. She is a Darbari historian.
She said in General . We don't have many temples which are older 1800yrs
She said with respect to South India🤦🏽♂️ when are you guys going to listen properly.
Actually stones or concrete temples started building when Greek arrived in India. The first known Hindu temples was built by bindusara in sachi which is now in ruins . Before that there might be temples of mud or wood which obviously can't survive to till date . So it's stupid to say temples started building only in this era . Actually most of Archeologist and historian do so which is again stupidity. In village, we have small shrine dedicated to gramdevta which is not so grand and long lasting.
She very clearly said current temple structures. She mentions the megalithic structures which were places of worship/ rituals as well as her stone worship. Why is it so hard to understand?
She is a Malayali and I am surprised at her mispronounciation and half-baked knowledge. She pronounced Vijay Nagar as Vijay Nagara. Don't call any self-proclaimed scholars. She is just an assistant professor and that too in Kerala.
it is vijayanagara not vijayanagar.
Leave it tell me what is a keun?
@@vladtygyrr5133 it's kueeen 😂
It's vijaya nagara only not vijay nagar
Xhutiye, it is actually called Vijayanagara in Kannada.
She knows nothing about Sangam literature. There are many references of Hindu Gods and Goddesses. The deity she mentioned is also wrong. Kurinji is Seyon (Karthikeyan), Mullai is Mayon (Vishnu), Marudam is Vendan (Indira) and Neithal is Kadalon (Varunan).
It's so weird. I cannot understand the motive behind such misinformation campaigns.
Talking about Tamil Nadu history, with a person who is not a Tamil. Funny. Is this a fair representation for Tamils? Talking about scientific but does not have common sense.
That's what I'm thinking..😂what happened here.
Please remove this video. It's hurts.
Pls 🙏 invite - Archeologist Dr. Ramarnath ramakrishna or Researcher Mannar Mannan ~ These two guys enough to Blow everyone's mind 👥
Wrong choice to represent Tamil Nadu.
Yen paa 10000 varsham pazhamai nu Tamil chauvinism pesalaya. Udhar uduvadhe sanghikalukkum Tamil chauvinistukalukkum velai
@lefthand7593 Thank you. உங்களுக்கு சொல்வதற்கு ஒன்றுமில்லை. சொல்ல வேண்டாம். நாங்கள் சொன்னால் உங்களுக்கு என்ன வலிக்கிறது.
@@lefthand7593She didn't actually present evidences present in the exact songs, she didn't evidence siddhas and what they had written on science and medicine. Etc etc...
Happy on what she has spoken but she missed a lot.. eg. Poombuhar, evidences of various sunamis...etc etc
@@lefthand7593 no, because she poisonously seeds the separatist mindset. Also because according to BR Ambedkar, Aryan-Dravidian philosophy is reserved for dustbin.
Moreover the whole south india .Tamil is our mother language for all South Indians and she is a mao communist keralite and practice Christianity
Why a malayali talking about Tamil history. Look how much she tries to cover up tamil with "dravidian" and "south indian".
Because Malayalis are Tamils too? And then Dravidian is the right word for it.
@@sheshankutty8552no they aren’t Tamils at all. “Dravidian” is just a way to coin chola Tamil history it seems
@@Supremeleaderkimjongun0Google as 'Dravida kingdom'
What nonsense, Do you know where Sangam literature flourished , It was mostly in present day Kerala which was part of ancient Tamilagam,
@@vijayadas3317sangam literature flourished in madurai not in kerala.
I am a kannadiga. I love tamil language a lot. Lot of respect!
Read Tamin Nadu History books for various exams but seeing this revived all my memories.
Cholas, Chera & Pandyas. What a heritage we had 🤩🤩😍😍🚩🚩
Don't get wrong informations from her. She doesn't even know the basic things about Tamil kingdoms.
For tamilians we worship our ancestors as god munnor valipadu,or the one who sacrifices his life in order to protect the community. This is still following ❤
@@vishnuvarthan9060
You are not only one
Every one india do this
@@supersaiyan460 fr
You are false tamilian
Don't misslead people
Tamil is mother of all language❤ it's national language of India
Tamil is definitely not the mother of sanskrit language. And national language is joke😂😂 you too know the oldest and most used language of India.
U have chosen a wrong one to know about sangam literature and tamil history Sorry Ranveer. This podcast doesn't got anything about Sangam literature she doesn't know anything about it, also lot of wrong references for instance there are only 63 nayanmars, she speaks nothing about Tholkappiyam which speaks a lot about the Tamil language, Thirukural is roughly about 2000 year old work and it has got a lot of reference about lord shiva and other Hindu deities if there where no Hinduism back then how is it possible to Talk about Lord Shiva in it. Even in-fact the 1st Tamil sangam happened under the watch of Lord Shiva himself being the chief guest. Also got a lot of wrong reference about 3 kings, kilavan means Thailiavan (Leader) the one who heads, a lot of misinterpretations and misunderstandings
I would say the same. A person who talks about Sangam period would pronounce words perfectly.. She is a very wrong person.. Ranveer Bro.. as you said Praveen Mohan’s videos are excellent ones to understand South India…It starts from Thirukkural or way way beyond. Please get correct person to talk on Sangam or Tamil literature or anything what happened in 10000BC. This is very important as the current generation should get correct information.
@kjkishore2992 I have read thirukural many times and I have thirukural book. Where is Lord Shiva in thirukural???
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Buddy.. recent interviews you have chosen two wrong people to discuss about South India.. one is Madam Gowri which is a blunder.. second would be this person.. she is factually wrong..
@@SaravananKumar-v9v Are u going to say Brahma created Tamilnadu, RSS Wala.
She has her facts wrong. Get someone who is a true historian.
She is NOT an authority on Sangam literature. She has some high level understanding and is building on it
True
People like her with Half knowledge is very Dangerous😂
Story of kannagi in pandya dynasty is madurai she says wrong place
@AlbertPerumal which weed r u smoking🚬
True ,sukisivam follower it seems
I am a Tamilian, and a huge fan of TRS... This episode is very disappointing.. wrongly narrated stories.. call a Tamil historians who really knowsTamil literature...
There was temples during Silapathigaram time which was part of Sangam (2nd period). Silapathigaram mentions the boundaries of Tamilnadu from Kanyakumari to Tirupati and mentions about the Temple of Vishnu is Tirupati and Srirangam
@@User01029 but you can't relate them to present day temples like Meenakshi temple and say they were all hindu deities.
@ why are you shifting g the goal posts now? Are you comparing the Burj calipha to LIC building? Her point was there were no temples in Sangam. I say there were temples- evidence - Silapathigaram and Manimegalai. Whether it was like how it is today or how these temples will become tomorrow is not the question
Most temples are build after 3rd century not before 1st century
Vadavengadam means not tirupati
It's far far area North of tirupati.
The far far lands above tirupati were called vada-vengadam.
Vengadam means tirupati.
At the time of 300BCE when Tholkkappiam written there is no tirupati Perumal Temple and
Hinduism hardly existed(May had a Chance of 10%)
Tamils are not dravidian and out side tamilnadu literally no one identitfies themselves as dravidan
Yes, 💯 correct
Yess
Hey, just for my knowledge .. what is Dravida then .. is it a particular geography, demography or a cultural identity?
I am open to being educated about it.
@iemon7722 happy you didn't know. That's just meant nothing
@@iemon7722 Dravidian is an artificial construct created by Political parties in TN to hide under an umbrella the fact that they are not Tamil people.
A Sri Lankan here; The godess Pattini is very popular here; its one ofthe main godesses practiced among Sri Lankan Buddhists; As a Buddhist kid in SL, I had been hearing this story of Kannagi and Kovalan since i was very very young and there are also Sinhala films with the story of Pattini Dhevi;
It's not Dravidians it's tamilian
She from kerala mallu but known about tamil litrature also
@@abishek8585 Dravidian is an artificial term created by some people so that people of other south states can come and interfere in Tamil affairs. Can you imagine a Tamil talking about mallu culture ? It's not allowed. Only Tamil is iliccha vaayan
dont mix politics with history. dravidian is the right term. Will you hate lotus if you dont like bjp?
Dravida is south India
Andhra, karnataka, tamil Nadu and Kerala
Kannagi comes to meet the pandya king at madurai. She later burns madurai & not poompuhar.
The guest is not willing to give due importance to tamil culture.
All the sangam literature is in tamil & sangams were established in madurai.we also had women poets in those times.
We still learn silapathikaram in school. It is still possible to learn & understand the tamil of those times
Finally someone who actually knows history based on true scientific evidence rather than pushing pseudoscience or speculative history.
Kurinchi - seyon(murugan) - mountaiin region
Mullai - mayon(tirumaal) - forest region
Marudham - indra - agri land
Neidhal - varunan - coastal region
Paalai - kottravai - desert
Marudham-vendhan
Fused into arayan god
@@arunmozhim0203What's Aryan god? Whuch ancient Tamil scripture says Aryan is a different race?
@@atheist8890 DMK leader said, that's why. It's the Gospel truth because the Christian missionaries said so.
@@atheist8890😂 Aryan Invasions was true ~ Ancient Tamil pandiyan King Nedunjeliyan Inscription told about the Aryans ~ Nedunjeliyan won the war against the Aryans - after the war he was Specially called as "Arya padai kadantha Nedunjeliyan" 👑
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and The Oldest Language in the World TAMIZH.
Tamilians's and Tamilnadu's contribution for India's pride and Growth is UNPARELLELED.
I appreciate how TRS has brought on so many respected historians and Indologists, shedding light on the complexities of Indian history, both North and South. It’s been refreshing to see experts untangle these narratives for audiences genuinely interested in understanding our heritage.
However, I’d suggest being cautious with guests like Malavika Binny. Having listened to her Malayalam speeches, I feel that much of the information she shares isn’t evidence-based and seems to promote a specific ideological perspective. As a left-leaning Catholic, her approach to Indian history, particularly in relation to Sanatan Dharma, often feels influenced by Western ideas that could confuse viewers genuinely interested in understanding India's authentic history and cultural roots.
It would be amazing if TRS could continue to invite more established archeologists/self-taught historians like Anica Mann, KK Muhammed, Nilesh Oak, Raj Vedam, and others who bring well-researched and balanced perspectives to the table. Thanks for considering this feedback, and keep up the great work in showcasing India’s rich legacy!
Why do you feel much of her sources are not evidence based? Is it because of critical reading of history or simply because you can't agree with it?
From where did you get the information that she is catholic?
@@thevilderbluebecause a Christians life goal is conversion not history
@@akhilmanojkumar3889 self taught is not credibility. Tamil is history perfectly been said here
@@ripsanskrit3609
Historically, many prominent historians were not formally trained in history as an academic discipline because it didn't exist in its current form until relatively recently.
For example: Herodotus, often called the "Father of History," was not part of any formal institution but collected stories and accounts during his travels.
Edward Gibbon, author of The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, was not academically trained as a historian. These individuals pursued history out of personal passion, intellectual curiosity, and a commitment to understanding the past. Their work laid the groundwork for modern historical scholarship.
Today, history is an established academic discipline with rigorous methodologies. Historians typically undergo formal training, earning degrees and specializing in particular periods or regions. However, there are still self-taught individuals who contribute significantly to historical writing. These include journalists, writers, and enthusiasts who approach history through independent research.
And if you believe that she has explained Tamil history well here, I suggest you to explore further and deepen your understanding of Tamil history.
Ranveer! she is a malayali, honestly her speculationa and history mostly represented kerela
She is a historian, you are mad. lol.
@@sheshankutty8552 I'm a better historian, Sheshan Kutty. Argue with me. Reply to my other comments.
She knows less about tamil history..😮😢
@@sumithavenugopal7879 And you know nothing about Tamil history.
tamils dont know their own history? Talking about being toxic
Kerala's culture is well mixed with Europeans. Tamils history is much more complicated and deeper. Good luck.
Dear Ranveer, I didn't watch this podcast yet. If you want your viewers to know more about Chola history, please invite Prof. Dr. C.G. Deivanayagam to your podcast.
Does he has any books written in English?? Pls recommend
@beerbiceps have a podcast with amarnath ramakrishnan the most eligible person to speak south indian history. He wss the project head for keezhadi excavations… most knowledgeable archaeologist in india. Such a smart and educated man
As a native of tamilnadu , I can assure that mostly many people in tamilnadu knows about the story of silappathikaram and that story begins in Poompuhar, where Kannagi and Kovalan live. Kovalan, after falling for the courtesan Madhavi and losing his wealth, decides to move to Madurai with Kannagi to start afresh. In Madurai, the Pandya king Nedunchezhiyan unjustly punishes Kovalan, leading to his tragic death. Kannagi proves his innocence, leading to the destruction of Madurai due to her curse. And poompuhar was ruled by chola king, so this is a huge mistake that urged me to address this.
💫And I also wants to mention many facts about this great epic which makes it unique:
🌟 Silappathikaram was written by Ilango Adigal who is believed to be the brother of Cheran Senguttuvan, a prominent king of the Chera dynasty. After destroying madurai, kannagi moves to the chera dynasty and rests along the banks of river in a fatal state and it is believed that illango adigal met her there and heard her story, after hearing that he decided to write this story into an epic.
🌟 this silappathikaram and Manimegalai are called Twin Epics because manimegalai is a continuation of silappathikaram , as manimegalai revolves around Manimegalai character who is the daughter of Madhavi (the courtesan) and Kovalan, who were key characters in Silappathikaram.
it is very rare to see a twin epic in ancient times.
🌟 It is also very unique that this epic starts in chola kingdom and ends in the pandya kingdom and is written by the person from chera kingdom
Ask her to explain why in sangam literature silappadhikaram, the Jain author, Ilango adigaL , talks about how kovalan’s character was referenced against Rama ! The pandarangam dance referring to Shiva's dance. Kannagi, kovalan and everyone in different point in the epic, pray to Shiva, and for Go'd's sake this was written by a jain monk!
Exactly. She made lots of errors in this video. Avvaiyar was a devotee of Murugan. And she lived 2000 years ago. And yet the girl in the video claims Murugan appeared just a thousand years ago.
She is a left historian coming from Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib school. They will argue that only! Silapathigaram mentions clearly about her boundaries of Tamil Nadu till Tirupati. It also mentions about the Srirangam temple and Tirupati temple
@@phoenixj1299 How do you prove that the Muruga was same as Skanda/Karthikeya? She has mentioned about the fusing of North Indian deities with South Indian ones? I am a history student, so I have studies about the long process by which folk deities were fused into puranic deities. Avatar worships Murugan ( a native / pre-existing Sangam god) and not Skanda.
She does mention that Silapadikkaram is ;slightly later' than Sangam .FYI .It is dated to the post-Sangam age. Ramayana story is found in Jainism too , it is called Paumachariyam.
@@AnaghaThomas-k1gThis fusion happened much before Gupta period. The first bhakti movement started from south India in the form of shaivism and Vaishnavism and this movement fused local gods .
She doesn’t even know the basics guys… she says Pandian ruled puhar. Even child knows it’s Madurai😂😂
Then who should we listen to ? If someone's learning from the beginning . Suggest some people 😊
That’s a real problem. Sensible, Ppl who are really into Tamil literature don’t make English content. But there is translation of silapathikaram in English u can find in net. You can try thirukural in English translation for understanding Tamil culture and values. ( side note, start with kamathu pal, that deals with kama).
@@debaprasad9379 start by reading sangam literature which is the primary source.
She is right puhar was early pandiyar 's caporal and Marine archaeological research (conducted by the National institute of marine archaeology, Goa) indicates that much of the town was washed away by progressive erosion and floods. Before commenting do some basic knowaboit. Atleast some giving discussion on history if one important region. Othetewise only maya maya saraswsthi aaya.
@@VenkatVs-b8dnever has poompuhar a port of pandiyas. It totally belongs to cholas. Kovalan and kannagi were actually from poompuhar (chola dynasty). Then the execution and other things happened in madurai which is the capital of pandiyas. Don't teach others until you are taught correctly
Extremely well portrayed the rich history of the Great South India by a well-educated lady.
It's crap
The speaker is incorrect to say that the current version of Hinduism start by 7the century or there were no temples during sangham period. There several songs praising lord shiva on Sangham literature and mahabalipuram the rock carved temples were built in probably 2 BCE ; so the idea of dharma would have formulated centuries earlier to mature with carving of Ramayana in the mahabalipuram temple
She is absolutely right. Tamil nadu was once Jain and Buddhist state. IT was later converted to hinduism. Even during Karikala cholan Tamilnadu was Buddhist state.
@ParthMuke you are
Shiva is pre Vedic deity. In Nepal Local used to worship as Kirateshor and then pashupatinath. Vedic people create purana to add local deities to their pantheon. Then they seem forget to worship their own Vedic Gods like Indra, Barun and started worshiping local deities.
@@bijayahamal1668 Nah, most of the South Indian gods identified with Mediterranean and Roman pagan cultures. Vedic people don't have the concept of these deities and cycle of life. More over, Vedic people were nomads, they don't have anything prior to arriving in India, but at the same time, Indus valley was destroyed. I wonder where they copied these things from.
Jainism and budhhism are as aryan as vedic religion why are you acting like they are local dravidian religions lol
There is nothing called Dravidian history. It is Tamil History.
No, it is Dravidian History.
@@rathinaraja8796 i found a ntk zombie in the comment section 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
@@SereneElectricGuitar-ib9hs Google as 'Dravida kingdom'
Why does the Tamil king in your thumbnail have a vertical line (naamam)? Our kings only have pattai on their forehead (three horizontal lines). This guy is agenda driven and that woman itself is not a Tamil, she's a malayali, ask her to talk about the Nambootris that dominated Kerala.
@@SereneElectricGuitar-ib9hswho the heck are you then? DMK zombie uh?
She speaks logic & He speaks relegion !
He know his subscribers - So he will speak like that !
After watched all, she contradicting most of facts from Timeline...
She qualified as Story Teller but not as Historian 😅
A 12th standard government school student from Tamil nadu clearly explained the thing better than her ..
mr. mannar mannan will give clear explanation on history
Proving below sangam literature text on rama and Sita ... (Purananuru 378)
அரைக்கமை மரபின மிடற்றியாக் குநரும்
மிடற்றமை மரபின அரைக்கியாக் குநரும்
கடுந்தெறல் இராமன் உடன்புணர் சீதையை
வலித்தகை அரக்கன் வெளவிய ஞான்றை
.நிலஞ்சேர் மதர்அணி கண்ட குரங்கின் ..
Basically have few facts and tie with it 10 other lies so that the lies look like truth.. rubbish 😅
These historians have their own tweaks to history and with their command over language (english) & they will make u believe in their theories and versions . So pls read ....
Read translation of the poem -
He gave
me many splendid precious jewels that awed me.
When my large family saw that, they took the finger
ornaments and put them on their ears, put the ear jewels
on their fingers, those meant for the waist on their
necks, and those meant for the necks on their waists.
They were like a huge family of monkeys with gaping red
mouths scooping up the beautiful ornaments that fell to
the ground, when the mighty demon snatched away enraged
Raman’s wife Seethai. Heading a large family and thinking
about removing their great sorrow, I was very happy along
with them when our poverty and distress were removed.
சிறப்பு
@@saigurujayendhran I was glad that Ranveer got someone from south to explain the culture but turned out to be a disaster. 1. Mallu explaining Tamil literature 2. Left historians graduated from Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib school 🙄
Ranveer now its time for Kannada and Telugu history man,both histories are rich with dynasties like Chalukyas,Rashtrakutas,Vijayanagar and so on
Satavahana,Kakatiyas,Kadambas
Do you know meaning of Rich ? 500 year old Kingdoms are not Rich bro 😂
@@Vikingz7 my man Kannada and Telugu have 2000 year old history....Kannada and Tamil were the first of languages that formed from Proto dravidian languages
@@abednadir5997 Bro there is nothing called Proto dravida language.....in south Oldest Language is Tamil only , not dravida language And Tulu , kannada came next After mixing with Sanskrit and Tamil..... kannada have history but Evryone know , Tamil history so many people don't know that's why this video
@@Vikingz7The best phrase that come in my mind for people like you are "Frogs in the well".
கல் தோன்றி மண் தோன்றாக் காலத்தே வாளோடு முன் தோன்றிய மூத்தக் குடி தமிழ் குடி
They couldnt find one tamil person to talk about tamil sangam or what 🫣
Malayalam, Kannada and Telgu are the language derivations of tamil. Regional wise they got separated only after independence, that too, after few years. They were all under Madras Presidency. Hence you can see many temples still have tamil writings in them. Whereas in sabarimala, these writings are hidden later by putting a golden plate on them. You can see tamil writings in kashi vishwanath and kashi vishalakshi temple as well. There are many other languages apart from tamil spoken in tamil nadu. You can say the tamil derivative languages. They have not rebelled for a new state based on language, hence still are inclusive of tamil nadu
Please invite Mr.Mannar Mannan a true professionalTamil historian.
Yes👍🏻🙏🏻
DMK stooge?
She is so wrong. Even the Sangam poems represent Hinduism as practised then. It was a similar story in the north. The traditions and customs may have been added but it doesnt mean that they were not Hindus!
The problem is when we read translation and even modern Tamil translation, a lot of gods are given Vedic names in translation. Like Kadalon is translated as Varuna and Vendan is Indra. Perumal becames Vishnu. And we get confused about what existed before and what came after.
Wrong brother..sangam literature is written before hinduisum came to south india
Tamils or south never knew the word Hinduism before British invade us
Learned from one youtube vid and vomiting on another viedo
There is no DRAVIDA Anymore... We are TAMILS. DYNASTY OF CHERA CHOLA PANDYA ❤❤❤❤❤. MA KOTRAVAI is WAR GOD of MARAVA KINGDOM.
Initially Tamil didn’t had any religion it was and is just highest masculine and highest feminine energy (Shiva & Shakthi)
She is psudohistorians and although some of things she says is true but most of it is just Bs proving western Bs historians.....
So you want to prove human existed india before amoeba was developed in West?
@@Sdgutfbb34566yeaaa... People like this think that the first human came into existence in India. He cannot give 1 proof that she is wrong.
what did she say that was wrong?
Dravidians existed in India with their civilisation before the Aryans came, like she said.
@@theawesomeman9821 Aryans never came... That was British propaganda and so many historians proved it was propaganda.. ahh man you live in information age... stop believing anybody at face value.... what is this Dravidian shit???
Robert Caldwell, a Scottish missionary and bishop, coined the term "Dravidian" in 1856....
man I wish I could show you stuff that these historians are leftist and they ruin our history by spreading misinfo and propaganda....
But anyway believe whatever you want... as this is kali yuga everything will degrade as we go.....
I don't believe that human came into existence in India and I can debunk so many things she says but anyway believe in whatever you are being spoon feeding by them...
These western influenced psudo Historians are destroying our culture and civiliazation by spreading misinfo among some truth here and there...
The whole podcast she speaks from a perspective that everybody is dumb and she will show us truth...
we live in an info age and that too is controlled by the west but if you learn how to uncover, you will find it....
These guys are paid by west to destroy Sanatan, our culture and civilization and don't believe me research on your own...
Aryan Invasion is propaganda and
her base was they were invaded by aryans so that makes her whole argument false for me.... I can debunk so many stuff but as they will say where is the evidence???
There was advanced civilization pre Iceage and I somewhat agree with Nilesh oak but not entirely.....
This is great... An important history subject not widely known, spoken or thought and almost forgotten and fading .. which was and is the very backbone that shaped civilisation...a realisation revolution needed.... regards and well wishes. God bless
18:05 i dont think she visited Karnataka here the temples are much older and the shiva and devi temples built by kadambas goes back to 3rd Centure CE which are still present ; and i dont think she knows half thing about chalukyas and kingdoms of karnataka and andhra ; talks like graduated from DMK university
Dmk ?why bring some party for no reason
@@prantosarathy386why not
She is communist..
@@prantosarathy386 he's not wrong ideologically speaking. But she's Mallu, so she's slightly different (not in a good sense, at least for the exploration of the history of our country).
@@Messupdud dmk has got nothing to do with ancient temples of TN, neither they tried to restore stolen idols nor they strive to preserve any lost glory
Great that you didn't generalise everything as south India in the title and specified as Tamil Nadu.. love from Karnataka ❤
🤣🤣they literally generalized, calling south India and mention only about Tamil and in that also most of the facts were wrong.
@@sridhar4502 No, she talked more on Tamil Nadu because of the Sangam Literature, that Karnataka also shares. But remember Pulikesi is a popular king among Tamils too.
@@sridhar4502 was telling about the title 😅
Didn't watch the whole video
@@sheshankutty8552 ❤️
Very interesting History with a lot of giggles . Both of you need a 👍. Good show sir
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Subtitle Christian propaganda. The Tholkapiyam that predates her 1st Century mentions Vaishnava tridandi sanyasis who exist even today. This woman knows very little about this subject especially Tamil Nadu. Not to mention the written records of the Alwars and Nayanmars.
@@Defender123-l7i what idiot?
True..
Tholkapiyam is far before than Alwars and Nayanmars. Bakti movement is later. You are a Fascist propagandist.
@@sheshankutty8552Everything is far before for your Jesus Christ rest everything is fascist lol😂😅Go and check the definition of fascism idiot then come here spew ur missionary propaganda
@@sheshankutty8552💯
Confidently giving wrong information as facts😮
Completely agree! This is all wrong
Who are you all? She is a professor. She is definitely more credible
@@jeevaprakashrao9955 the proof of pudding is in eating. She obviously has no knowledge about ancient Tamil literature. She has not spoken one word in Tamil throughout the podcast
I didn’t know about other regions, but in Tamil Nadu schoolbooks, the history of North India is also included, such as the Mughals, Guptas, and Maurya kingdoms, among others. India is not just North or South; it's a whole. We all need to study the complete history of our country. Then only it becomes Indian history; otherwise, it just stays as regional history....
The pantheon she is referring to is identical to vedic, just named differently. So I disagree with the notion that the southern pantheon is different. There is conceptual integrity, only form variance which is a natural freedom w/in Sanatan Dharma.
There are conceptual integrity across all polytheist religions chinese Greek indian
@@lefthand7593 not really. There are too many similarities between the two pantheons mentioned in the video. And before you say anything like "Oh! But Indra = Zeus!", NO they are not the same. Read their respective texts as well as their conception and you'll know the difference. Whereas, the two pantheons mentioned in the video have an almost 1:1 correlation. The thing that changes is language, and sometimes the lore associated with the deity, which also happens in the Puranas. The story of Dhruva is mentioned in two puranas and its different in both. Would that mean that they're different Dhruvas? No. They're the same Dhruva, written by different people, catering to a different people depending on their spiritual needs.
Everything stolen from Tamil and portrayed as Malayalam. Whereas Malayalam itself is a concoction of Tamil and Sanskrit. Tamil is most ancient and great civilization but they don't know how to display it. I have nothing against Malayalam but Tamils are ignored by introducing a Sanskrit word Dravidian whereas Malayalam don't use term Dravidian. Don't call leftist as historians.
Tamil is not a region and not any seperate civilization.
It's part of Vedic Sanatan civilization of Aaryavrat❤
There's no thamil sangam history without Vedic dharma.
The Vedas are mentioned in many early Sangam literature texts (written around 300BCE-300AD), including:
Aiṅkuṟunūṟu: Praises the Vedas
Kuṟuntokai: Praises the Vedas
Patiṟṟuppattu: Praises the Vedas
Paripāṭal: Praises the Vedas
Kalittokai: Praises the Vedas
Akanāṉūṟu: Praises the Vedas
Paṭṭiṉappālai: Mentions that priests of Ancient Tamilakam chanted the four Vedas
Perumpāṇāṟṟuppaṭai: Mentions a yupa post (a Vedic altar) in a Brahmin village
The Vedas are the Rig, Yajur, Sama, and Atharvana Vedas, which are considered to be texts that are filled with deep meaning. The Vedas are said to speak of the praise of God, sacrificial rites, mantras, witchcraft, and mantras for controlling fears in practical life.
In ancient Tamil Nadu, the Vedas were read by almost every caste. In parts of South India, the Vedas are called Maṛai or Vaymoli, where Marai literally means "hidden, a secret, mystery".
Bs vedic @@MohommadAnsari-i9k
@@MohommadAnsari-i9kwhether tholkappiyam,manimekalai,kundalakesi,silapathikaram classics of tamil prior to 2 nd century a.d,they were either jaina,or buddhist epics,we only have bhakthi literature from 7 th century a.d,so the advent of vedic religion into tamizhagam(kerala,tamil nadu) was from then with advent of aryan brahmins from north like namboothiri,iyer,iyengars,enough of fooling,remember who were the monkey like hanuman,vaali race in south india(current hampi),remember we were dark skinned asuras(dravidians),whom you devas(aryans) fought in deciet,untouchable who (who never followed your vedic stratification,all written by you),you even called dravidians like dasyukhs,dravidas,whore's children because we were never violent,aggressive people due to which we were defeated,and you came into sub continent from central asia,made gujarat,punjab,rajasthan,sindh,west up as ARYAVARTHA(land of aryans as opposed to rest of dravidan lands late4 which you usurped our lands)
Loosu, nothing is stolen. Malayam was Tamil country at some point. But because of the Arrival of Namboothiris, Mayalyam was born. They tried to destroy Tamil there, but could not completely, so Malayam was born with Sanskrit and Tamil mix.
I am from one of tribal communities of Tamil Nadu. I am happy to see conversation on Tamil history and sangam in North Indian's You tube Channel. thank you.
1:01:59. 😂 fantastic conversation, thought provoking, hilarious & I feel like listening with pen & paper. My piece of suggestions to TRS guest recommendations - R. BALAKRISHNAN - IAS AUTHOR OF THE BOOK " THE JOURNEY OF THE CIVILISATION" explained in depth about INDUS TO VAIGAI
Is he have a phd in history?
I was amazed when she said Maa Durga a Warmongering Devi.. Some one truly said Darbari Historian..
@@santoshdimri6537 lol that's not Ma Durga 🤦🏻♂️ that's Kottravai... If u don't understand the historical and regional relevance of it u shouldn't go around saying ur amazed... Obviously a person who has no clue about Chinese will end saying Japanese is same as Chinese.
As the speaker said, Agriculture was invented before 7000 to 9000 years ago, but there is evidence of Rice on the site of Lahuradewa which dates back to 8890 BP.
And even though we have much earlier dates of agriculture the crops such as Jujube, Wheat and much more!
9:10 mullai is forest land not pasture. Marudam is pasture or farmland
A true historian should have an open mind to check the possibilities and dive deep down into other aspects as well.
Just debating and batting only for an evidence based study and not looking into the other aspects and possibilities cannot nullify the facts.
When an historian thinks and speaks from only a religious or political point of view which he or she follows then such kind of debates obviously happen.
Next time bring a better candidate for the show.
Seen a lot of missionary kindof versions for our "BharatVarsh" itihas like this especially in Kerala.
Because without evidence anyone can say anything even muslim historians are claiming rig Veda as a muslim text. As very first prophet Adam was born in india.
Believe is not what science cares
@@anoop-astrometric_binarywhat is bharatvarsh itihas?
So you want to entertain made up lies against evidences? Subjective matters are just that, they should in no way influence with no evidence in historical account.
I think you should invite someone from Tamil Nadu.. who speaks Tamil...who is actually a Tamil history scholar.
Consider inviting a distinguished historian and an author of many historical books such as Mr. Mannar Mannan to your show, particularly to discuss the history of Tamil Nadu. His insights could provide substantial value, offering not only intriguing perspectives but also significant archaeological evidence. It is essential to ensure that you engage the appropriate individuals for such discussions, rather than someone who may not address the issue correctly
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Mr. Mannar mannan, the right choice. His profound knowledge with evidence of archeology linked with history and literature will deliver what you exactly search for Tamilnadu culture. You could see his videos across youtube
@@srrinivasanmr Correct 👍🏻
mannar mannan he is equally another pseudo hostorian alike this malayali lady.
Hello Ranveer, this lady appears to be an atheist who can never do justice to the history of dynasties who were highly dharmic in thier historic adventures. She presented a diluted/distilled version which becomes unattractive and un inspiring. You should podcast with someone like Sandeep Balakrishna ji on this topic who do extensive research insyead of cooking up stories and narratives.
Ranveer liked the way you shared your knowledge and shared your point of views. Interesting to hear that.
Malavika Binny is a historian, having taken her MA and Phd from Jawaharlal Nehru University in history (from Google). Apparently she is an Asst: Professor in History at Kannur University.
It is very clear that this lady has no idea abt Tamil Ancient literature..
Kotravai is Paalai land god.. but she tells that Kotravai as Kurinji land god.. but in fact Murugan/Seyon is the Kurunji land god..
When she is asked to talk about Tamil Ancient Literature.. she talks abt the war between Harshavardhan and Pulikesi..
JNU - thats a problem in itself
@@thaache yes kottravai is paalai goddess she is quite fierce
Whenever ppl say Dravidian and Aryan 😂 its soo funny how these ppls are been brain washed for soo many years
And you know this because you have a PHD in history? Or because you came on a time machine from 1st century and know everything?
It's a clear West created myth
@@vidyavv87PhD doesn't mean a damn thing now , just coz I have a PhD and believe Aryan invasion myth doesn't mean I have double digit IQ . It's the opp sadly
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Arya-padai kadandha Nedunchezhiyan in purananuru literature. Go and read or continue to remain in the delusions propagated by the right wing
Even kid in tn will say Poompuhar was a port and madurai was burnt by kannagi.. why do you bring joker as your guest..you are doing a big disservice to sangam and tamil history
Movie on Pulikeshi 2 has already been made in kannada 'Immadi Pulikeshi' by Kannada superstar, matinee idol Dr. Rajkumar
If possible please Invite retired IAS officer R Balakrishnan, he has written several books regarding Indus valley civilisation and Sangam period. His contribution to archeology is also very valuable.
Sangam literature literally says at the start that they pay homage to Vedas.
I watched television series called Upasna in Hindi around 30 years ago, which I really liked and remembered which had all the characters that you mentioned, my husband is from Kerala and he has no idea about this story. So, I can proudly say I being from North India knew about this story which today I got to know this is Sangam literature story ❤
where is rupa bhaty podcast ranveer
where is rupa bhaty podcast ranveer
where is rupa bhaty podcast ranveer
where is rupa bhaty podcast ranveer
Cause she is a historian not a believer
Oldest temple is india is mundeshwari temple of Bihar which is built during early gupta period. None of the other temple is older than that temple
You are referring to the oldest functional temple in north india. Thats very different to the oldest temple, of which there are many that are contested.
Is it older than 1st century
There was a temple structure belonging to shunga but later destroyed
Nope He Is Right Mundeshwari temple Is Older Than Any Temple In South India Itself @@Soul-c9e
@@ripsanskrit3609 yes
Very useful informations.. thanks a lot
What a nonsense!! She is absolutely Spreading wrong info about the whole ancient tamil society.
Guest recommendation: Dushyanth sridhar...pleaseee❤
Firstly, the term "Dravidian" itself is an imposed one on us. We are Tamils. The term Dravidian means low-class Brahmins who were kicked down south by the high-class brahmins then.
We Tamils have no class difference or caste hierarchy. We were and are living a life of secularism since the time of ages..
Hey Ranveer, I think it would be amazing to have 'The Bogan' from BigBangBogan on the podcast! He has a deep understanding of Indian history, especially the evolution of Hinduism in South India and Tamil Nadu's rich cultural heritage. His insights into Sangam literature and the Aryan invasion theory are thought-provoking and would bring a unique perspective to the conversation. Given your focus on history and culture, I think this could be a fascinating and insightful episode for your audience!
@@karthikeyanganesan3097 even i thought the same. We need more speakers who are speaks based on actual facts not based on mythological stories
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Mannar mannan will be the best possible
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@@raghuls1515 mannar mannan might be a good one but what he speaks is not widely accepted all the places. He speaks a bit controversial things but I think big bang bogan speaks more sensible and also his speech would be widely acceptable
She's talking about "social memory, inter-generational knowledge which is very very difficult to destroy".
Suppose In case of an asteroid strike, only people from Thar, Namibia or African deserts survive (as per Ranveer) . They have been seeing Aeroplanes fly and have been using smart phones- internet all this time. After the catastrophic incident, these people will definitely be left with those memories of scrolling through a 6 inch screen but what would be the probability that those people in the midst of a desert or barren land would know the technology or the procedure to rebuild the same smartphone or internet. That is exactly why we have different "SMRITIS" in our culture, which is like a window to peep through into our past.
Her arguments are damn flawed....
@ParthMuke What??
@ParthMuke No, I'm Bengali. But our community might have roots in Maharashtra...
It amazes me how people of knowledge can have such TIGHTLY shut minds...
But it's good to know that she doesn't have double standards at least
Would love to see another conversation with her
Keep your standards, not from a half-baked one, unless you have relationship.
Please do one with Mr Dharmendra Kumar. Rich Karnataka history and Mysore Royal heritage.
Beautifully presented!
The professor providing wrong information on Cholas Expedition in SEA region.
1. Not Sailendra Kingdom but Srivijaya Kingdom which the conquest was made.
2. Lineage from Rajendra Chola + Princess from Ganga Negara found Cebu Rajahnate in Philippines.
3. Cholas have deep rooted relationships with Khmer Kingdom and both these Kings are ardent devotees of Shiva.
The true history of Pulakeshi has not been told yet. His political and trade empire stretched till the present day Iran. So much so that he would export weapons and elephants as gift to those kings and make political and trade alliances. There is definitely much more to Kannada history then whats mentioned in this podcast. Please do a podcast only on the Chalukyas, Rastrakootas, Shatavahanas, Kadambas and the mighty Vijayanagara Samrajya.
PS: Happy to hear the whole podcast and thoroughly enjoyed Pulakeshi's and Chalukyas time period. Will stay tuned for more 👍
So true 🔥
Totally forgot to mention the Hoysala Dynasty and their architectural marvels like the Belur and Halebeedu. Also not to forget the rich Jain sculpture in Shravanabelagola (world's tallest monolithic structure). Chandragiri betta where the emperor Chandra Gupta Maurya takes sallekhana and spends his last days is also situated near Shravanabelagola. Wonder why he chooses this particular place of all the places in his vast Mauryan Empire to attain Moksha/Nirvana. Must be a place of high significance in Hassan, Karnataka.
Please do some more podcast on this as well. Ranveer your efforts are much appreciated. Thanks again. Way to go 👍