99.99% of Machinists Will Fail at Machining this Part
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2023
- Machining parts that are impossible for most machinists will ensure you a great salary in this trade. Can a Machinist make $500,000 a year?
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I spent my life in this trade and it honestly sucked the life out of me. 40 years of aerospace, production, custom, oil patch, mining, shipping, jobber shops and their BS excuses for not paying their high end employees what they deserved. I started out manual machining, got into CNC then CADCAM and advanced as far as I could each time. It is not all gravy from hard work as you're trying to push it off. You aren't accounting for industry failure, greed, jealous co-workers, cost of manufacturing and a global market where you are competing with slave labour. In this trade it is also a great deal of luck to get anywhere, especially in Canada. You certainly are not going to make great money working for anyone else. But with a little luck, a successful product design, ingenuity and hard work, you can grow and become successful on your own. The only thing that is hopefully changing now is the fact that this trade as well as most other trades, is dying. There are very few young people wanting to get into it, those who do now will hopefully do well.
I worked one year in a tool & die shop, none of the employees were making more then 30$/hr, one guy worked there for 12yrs and only made it up to 24$/hr. People looked depressed all the time and it was bleak, I quit that place back in January and went to school for aircraft structural repairs.
@@maximefriolet7211 I was probably one of the most ambitious machinists out there, had previous employers tell new employers that I was the best machinists they'd ever seen. Learned multiple CAD and CAD systems, mastered GIBBSCAM and Solidworks, taught countless others how to machine and program, worked in many different facets of the trade, was highly recommended and my work was outstanding. And still I constantly found myself fighting for a decent wage due to how crappy this industry treats its people. Hopefully this was just my experience and others did much better. I'm now retired with a life time of experience, training and top level skills with zero desire to ever set foot in another shop as long as I live...
I really resonate with what you just said and my story is very similar, I’m 25 almost 26, and Iv been doing this professionally since I was 18 but worked in a shop when I was younger, started manual until I was 21 that’s when I really got into cad/cam and Cnc in general, working in a high stress, meh pay job, Il be honest,I make more than most machinists on average I’m making 32$ but that is shit pay working for this company, because they are transparent about profits, and everyone in my department profits the company 1400$! Per HOUR PROFIT per person, you read that right it’s not a joke, if that doesn’t make your blood boil it should. Because we lose our bonuses on one bad month, regardless if they profit millions, and wage increases aren’t even keeping up with inflation, while insurance is cut, worked to the bone in high stress environments. It’s a rewarding trade but man it’s suckling my life away too, first kid on the way and I have to work extra hours to pay the bills . Too tired at home to get anything done.
Real shit. I bounced around for years because of the pay never being enough. It wasn't bad but for the amount of years and cost of tools it takes, it's way underpaid. I worked as an independent contractor for a while and made pretty good money for the time but no insurance and uncertainty are the tradeoff. Aerospace work is stressful and tons of bullshit shop politics makes it more of a headache. I settled on decent pay and put more priority on working somewhere where I like the environment and fellow employees. I'd prefer an upbeat attitude and less pay as opposed to the reverse.
So right you can’t compete with some one that lives over the shop they can afford 5 employees to your 1 but it’s those successes that you have to focus on or it will drive you mad
3:48 Quality is very important. I worked at a shop that considers inspection times as directed labor. Every part that goes into inspection has a time that it needs to be inspected and if you cannot meet the time then you will get called out during the morning meeting. I see a lot of inspector cutting corners to meet the time like leaving burrs on parts. Some parts only give you two minutes. The plant manager said to the whole inspection department if someone could measure this part 20 years ago at 5 minutes per piece then there shouldn't be a reason that anyone else can't. The same thing with the marking department. The guys that do the marking have a specific time they need to mark the parts. A lot of them can't meet the time and the setup from the engineer is horrible. We have fixtures for marking where you have to physically hold down the part and often the part moves on you and is marked wrong.
Aaah that type of company ^^
Can I ask, what happens to the inspection team when they miss something important cuz of pressure?
@@IGetWicked If a part gets sent back from the customer and the inspector tells the Quality manager that he/she is trying to meet the standards then the Quality manager will say he doesn’t care about speed and cares about quality more. Even though he is the one rushing the inspectors. Another issue is the company also calculates the inspection team's efficiency and utilization as a whole. If one person messes up then all the inspectors will get in trouble. You will have other inspectors watching you closely to make sure you are working every second because they don’t want the efficiency graph to go down. They will rat you out to the Quality managers in a second.
@@delroyokuma9099 how does a shop like that work long term? seems like they really don't think about long term profits or keeping their staff
@@halcyonoutlander2105 The company tries to make each department into a team sport. Everyone has to perform at an elite level and score the same efficiency points. I recently found a new job and quit the company.
In school full time 7 am-
12:40 Mon-thurs for a machining certification program at 1:30 on mon - weds I go to a machine shop that uses mills, CNC’S hack saws, vertical saws grinders and on and 1:30 on Thursday- Sunday I go to a shop that make dies, gears a handful of cylindrical type of products and uses manual lathe and CNC lathes, after I get my certification done at school I want to continue my education and learn CAD and CAM and more CNC.
4:45 on ward. I love the way machining was described as art. It really is! Great video, once again!
Loved being a machinist but in the end I busted my butts off and ended up collapsen on a factory floors from spinal cord injury from I witch physically was un able to work again in the trades I loved so much every day I miss it I am only forty years old and five years ago my world was turned upsided down and my career ended aburtly short of times I wanted to retire from it witch is cruel to has happen to me so always enjoy every day you have the opportunity to be physically able to work at the most awesomest trades in the world for one day u my not has opportunity to physically and u will miss it everyday afterwards
Inspirational discussion guys, great video!
for such a short video this has so much truth.
Man I only make $45k a year being a machinist lol lol…it’s a small shop though only 5 of us.
Same
How long you been machining?
@@travisguilbeau8404 - 3 years machining for a company owned by Toyota but I was more of a “push button operator” and the machining job I have now I’ve been at 2 years…I do all the tooling and tool length offsets and tool comps but I don’t know how to program, just starting to learn set up.
Boeing is hiring machinists.
Worked in large Medical custom Implant company over 90k with o.t Also union large Aerospace Co. Retired now part time work now toolmaker machinist..love the Trade. Since 4 yr apprenticeship 1980 till now..good video..
I've been running my manual shop in my rented car garage for over 7 years now and I make $100k a year. I want to grow, but I can't afford rent to get into a bigger brick and mortar shop. I go from $2000/month to $7000/month for rent. I live in an expensive growing city.
You must uspcale your output and the inquiries has to multiplicate. So you can buy 2 new machines and hire a machinist. Than the monthly rental cost you will not kill.
@@makro8218 My garage is only 120V so I can't buy a CNC nor do I have the footprint for another machine. I've been trying to hire someone for 2 years, kids with no experience want $25/hr and don't want to do dirty work.
seeing the outline of the part in side the raw stock on the display reminds me of the old saying "Every block of stone has a statue inside it and it is the task of the sculptor to discover it"
I’ve never heard anyone else describe it like a video game before. But that’s what I have said numerous times when driving a cnc.
This conversation is important and nice..❤❤
Might not happen over night but with determination and hard work you can succeed! Great video guys!
Where was the part ?
here in Israel I got to the point that I just gave up and just quit the job.... running into a wall with management multiple times a day ... they only need butonpushers and babysitting the machines... what relates in a poor poor poor salary.... as in most of the biz here in israel, management eats the major part of the cake and people on the workfloor get crumbs...
Here in Australia few year ago my son worked for a Jewish owned company.The management called the workers to office one by one to tell them they got a pay rise of 20 cents an hour while they drove $200K Audi cars as company cars.😂
liiving in israel is very challenging when you are not jewish ... it's very tempting to become antisemit ... the mindset is just not normal... making money here means to abuse your crew, complain about how much everything costs, and make as littleas possible investments, and keep working on the same machines until they die... but spend no momey on maintenance... or calibration... i had 2 vernier calipers and 5 different micrometers and some other inspection tooling... last calibration date (the last time my bore inspection gauge was calibrated was the most recent one of all my inspection tooling ) ... don't fall of your chair... 2008
@@mehmettemel8725
can yall do a video about the royal collet system?
Inconel?...got my attention. I am retired(semi) and hope to make money machining Inconel for a new nozzle design. I'll keep my questions for the podcast that I just signed up for. Cheers.
I've had to stop my 3d printing business because of family issues and I don't know if and when I can start back up.
I think titan has started over a handful of times... Keep on trying.
Hello gentlemen, I have a question, can machine tools make semiconductor manufacturing equipment?
Yeah we need more Barry's in this world that's for sure. For me personally it's always been about folks stealing from me as I am great at solving problems but seem to be of the wrong skin tone to be able to profit from my genius. Hopefully all of that is about to change as I have been very tight lipped on a truly world changing technology as I learned from the school of hard knocks that I have to be this way or my ideas simply will be stolen from me.
Quality is huge!
“I want to learn and make company money” and the person who “focuses on quality and being on time with the product” is going to be a success in any business.
Titan is 100% correct! If you bring value to a company (help them make more money) business owners are willing to compensate well. But the other thing he said is equally important. You must SELL the business owner on your ideas and how you can implement them to solve their problems! 💥
This is 100% BS, I have NEVER EVER seen an example of this in my 40 years. Never has a business owner paid anyone in this trade this kind of money unless they are family. People, myself included, who have excelled in the trade and worked thier way to the top have always capped out just above the 6 figure mark. My best years were capped at $125,000 salary which was achieved solely due to an impressive CV that came from a life time of hard work. In Canada right now machinists are making upwards of $55 / hr finally due to the lack of good tradesman, this is an "ALL TIME HIGH" not the norm. People (or corporations) that start a machine shop, do it so "they" make money, they're not going to want to share more than they have to. They're not in business to make others money, don't kid yourself. My close friend at ASCO Aerospace, previously called EBCO Aerospace in BC just retired after well over 30 years as their lead programmer. He had a serious list of achievements, more than most machinists will ever accomplish by a long shot and he never made that kind of money either, not without massive amounts of overtime. So unless you have proof of this, stop trying to push it off as possible.
With today's business owners I don't think this is possible.. way to much greed from owners.. very few actually appreciate what good toolmakers have to offer... I've been taken advantage of several owners... the promise..." if you can help me get there I'll take care of you " .... nothing afterwards ... move on....
Yesterday's wasn't any better either.30-35 years ago only way I made a reasonable living was working 17 hours overtime every week.Without OT my pay was only $11 more than some one on social security unemployment benefits.I'm so grateful to have my own business now.
I used to work for a prick that every time he changed a 150k car - he was buying us a subway sandwich. I have never in my entire life met anyone greedier...
Yeah they are all liars..don’t believe a word of it , get as much money in that interview to start cause they are not gonna come thru,at 90 days or at your year anniversary…I’ve gotten my biggest raises leaving and going somewhere else once your up there u don’t take a penny less than what your making..sad we hafta do this today instead of staying and giving loyalty and getting up there in wage.
Safety, Quality, Delivery and Customer................those are the KPIs that will drive your shop into profitability.
In the UK, 4 shifts a week equates to $100k where I work.
In Germany u will be around 50-75k.... it is a mess
I make between 75k-100k a year everything hes saying is true
I did $76K last year. The machine world pays if your willing to work hard.
@@Defender_928 That was gross. I live in a high tax country wasn’t doesn’t help, but I expect that gross number to rise in the next 2-3 years
I work for 150 USD per month. I live in Russian Federation. Cool. Isn`t it?😆
❤When you get a day when every thing goers wrong 🤬 but when you get home and everything worked out 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 that’s the day you glad you a production engineer.
If you have pride in your own work, you will never be disappointed no matter how much money you make.
True to a degree but no point doing something you don't like.If you love what you do then you want to be rewarded for your efforts.We all need to survive if you can't make ends meet then you go bust.
Unfortunately this does not ring true thru out the world, im also a programmer/setter/operator our machines are not next level like the once's you guys have but here its whom ever pays the bigger backhand xD allas great video keep up the good vids much
I think what they’re saying though is if your shop isn’t on that level not to stay there and hope it gets there. The point is to leave, follow the money, follow the drive to move up, work in a more state of the art environment, don’t take no for an answer. If you’re a machinist, and you want to move up in the world, you have to go to the shops that are that are doing the biggest and baddest jobs.
500k a year for a machinist is not a thing in the real world. 100k can be done if you are smart and know what you're doing. 150 to 200 if you work crazy overtime at a high hourly. But lets be realistic here. In my area you can barely find jobs paying more than 40 an hour lol. The average machinist at Boeing makes $23.22 the high end is like 45. I don't understand why TOC has to clickbait with 500k. Anyone in the industry knows this is a lie. I've worked at a company netting near 20 million in sales per month The only way you will make close to this is if do 70-90 hours overtime a week and even then that's a salary of 175k to 200k and this pay is only for a handful of machinists. The ones who can and are willing to do that overtime is even smaller. The most I've heard was 155 before taxes and that guy worked his ass off. Don't expect to make this much in the first 5- 10 years of your career and unless your willing to sacrifice you're life to someone else's company. A high up management position at a large company might might be able to get this salary but 500k is a a pipe dream for a machinist or production manager on the shop floor . That's the salary range of executives in a company. I like this trade and I like the videos on the channel but the clickbait about how much money you can make is a little ridiculous and not good for people coming into the trade
@@printgymnast368 Pay no attention to click bait. TH-cam algorithms almost require it to be done. I used to be annoyed, but it is what it is.
If you're working in an assembly line, day in day out taking the same stuff, like at Boeing, you're probably replaceable. Those jobs may pay decently, but if you want more.... be better than everyone else. Search out a machine shop business that does high end specialized parts. Yeah, you'd have to move. Yeah, chances aren't real high unless you have the right skill set and connect with the right shop.
Listen to the message they tell. Everything they do is about hard work, getting better and a positive attitude.
If you think you have the skill set, see if Titan has job applications. The worst that can happen is what?
Regardless of where you work, work hard, do better work than those around you, and figure out how your skill set can increase your company's profits.
If they can trace efficiency and profits back to you, who knows.
If nothing else, enjoy and be proud of what you do.
@@printgymnast368 I'm at a "small" shop that does medical devices. I make over $130K a year on salary, no hourly rate/overtime rate. That being said, I'm also not just an operator. I program, set up and run the jobs. Once the job is production ready it get handed off to the operators. The jobs I work on are high volume parts that will run 10's of thousands of parts in a year. We are just now stopping a job that dialed in. It had run continuously since I started at my current shop over 4 years ago. My situation/job is not super common in the trade.
The main reason why most shops can't/won't pay well is truthfully they are not run well. The most common thing I see is crappy quoting. Jobs are under quoted or quoted in a "best case" way, just to get the work in the door. That means very little profit in most jobs. If a job is misquoted it can kill the profit in several jobs that were going to be winners. I saw this first hand at my last shop. Owners that I've delt with didn't seem to understand that you make your money when quoting. There is VERY little the guys on the floor can do if the quote was fucked from the start. Job shops are EXTEMELY hard pressed to be profitable. They simply don't know enough about the cash flow on a month to month basis to be able to afford to pay well enough. If your shop is working on a 6 week back log you really don't know what the companies cash situation will look like in 12 weeks time. Unstable cash flow makes it hard to pay good wages.
My current shop is different. We know what our biggest customer needs from us 6-8 months ahead of time. Sometimes we can have visibility 12-18 months ahead of time depending on the product/project we are working on. We do high volumes of parts as well. We have one part number that we are shipping 175K of them a month. That is just barely keeping up with the demand. Knowing all of that, along with prices for the parts already established in contracts makes it MUCH easier to pay people. The company knows that it is going to have stable cash flow. That makes it easier to pay people more because they know the money will be there.
@@printgymnast368 Just to be devil's advocate here: We may be missing context established before the footage. Perhaps they're speaking on a commission--based payment method? If you, as an individual, are interpreted as a monopoly in your area of expertise or trust in the eyes of a high-dollar customer (R&D science, or government), I could imagine making a 100k in a single transaction for a handful of large, high-fidelity parts. If stuff like this occurs of a 100k salary, one lucky year could get close to half a mil.
Now I'm not a machinist, so I'm pulling air out of a hat here, but surely there's potential for a goldrush moment for a fortunate machinist in the right place with the spare time.
Hi 1:07
With computer aided software , it’s not hard to machine a complex part. on a CNC machine . As a machinist working in late 60’s you had to know what you’re doing. No computers to fall back on. No calculators to help with shop math!
CNC is different from Manual and is not as easy as you'd think. Both machines have their place in a shop and as a 23 year old Machinist I think it's good to be familiar with both.
They lying you can’t make that much machining. These company don’t want pay garbage men and general labor pays more. Reason it’s hard find machinist and nobody going school for it
lots of ifs
quality
what in italy died or never existed
made in italy is the most overrated thing, and im italian ...
watching TITAN always make me jealous
in italy NOONE want to improve
i worked in a workshop, for third party ITACHI, with 30mt CNC milling machines, from outside is all clean and perfect, when you work with them ... everything is rotten, not even complete sets of tools or equipment, the placements made by other companies because they didn't want to waste time, not even new screwdrivers...
total mess
Italian are so. The italian Man buy a thing and after not care about it. Once buyed the didn‘t look about and do not any maintanence it. The typical vaffanculo mentality.
So this country will not grow.
The Young guys will it change, but old greyish people hase the control.
the people want work life balance they dont want to work hard... the more you work the more you will pay to the country... bla bla bla... todays working is not easy... then you cant pay the better machines especially when you work with big corporations overseas. see your equip is a dream that will never come true. without a team, you are nothing...
I am lucky I make an above average wage being a machinist. I am convinced that if you work at a job shop you will never make over 50,000 a year, which today is nothing. To make any kind of decent money you have to work for a large company. A machinist is one of the lowest paying trades unfortunately.