Italy l Very Nice Olympiad Math Exponential Problem l find value of x?

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ม.ค. 2025

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  • @domosautomotive1929
    @domosautomotive1929 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I'm glad you explained that 1= -1+2, I would have never figured that out

    • @tinashechipomho
      @tinashechipomho หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      That kind of detail is excruciating,😮

    • @ELW-x8d
      @ELW-x8d 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Maybe this video is rather a support for beginners? In this case, I think that the person wanted to explain the decomposition of the powers to find out "common factors" ...

  • @SanePerson1
    @SanePerson1 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    17 minutes? For all intents and purposes, it was finished at the 3 minute mark: 8^(x - 1) = 48 or dividing both sides by 8, 8^(x - 2) = 6. Since 8 = 2³, 2^(3x - 6) = 2 × 3. Dividing both sides by 2 again, 2^(3x - 7) = 3. Take logs of both sides ⇒ (3x - 7)log2 = log3, which can be simplified to x =( (log3/log2) +7 )/3. If you've memorized a few base-10 logs, log2 = 0.301, log3 = 0.477 and you're done. All the extraneous manipulations of logarithms is a waste of time.

    • @maadhavrkmark5474
      @maadhavrkmark5474 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You're right ✅️

    • @noski33
      @noski33 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Agree

  • @md.mominshahriar
    @md.mominshahriar หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Dude explained how 2×2×2=8, but didn't show how he got 48 from dividing 3024 by 63

    • @anlag2
      @anlag2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In this case movie will be more than hour

  • @jacobcombs1106
    @jacobcombs1106 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I don't know why but your way feels like it takes longer to me. Here is how I solved it.
    8^x×8-8^x/8=3024
    8^x(8-1/8)=3024
    8^x(63/8)=3024
    8^x=3024×8/63
    8^x=384
    ln(8^x)=ln(384)
    x×ln(8)=ln(384)
    x=ln(384)/ln(8)
    x=~2.86

    • @rumpeldrump
      @rumpeldrump หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mathematics is not the same as arithmetic.

    • @jacobcombs1106
      @jacobcombs1106 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @rumpeldrump the same way squares aren't the same as polygons.
      All squares are polygons but not all polygons are squares.
      All arithmetic is mathematics but not all mathematics is arithmetic.

    • @rumpeldrump
      @rumpeldrump หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jacobcombs1106 I don't see it that way. sqrt(2) is precise, 1.4142 is not 17/12 either.

    • @jacobcombs1106
      @jacobcombs1106 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@rumpeldrump Everyone knows it's a blueberry because oranges don't have doors.
      What does any of that have to do with definitions? Yes describing irrational numbers like the square root of 2 with the √ is more precise than the decimal form, that has absolutely nothing to do with the definition of mathematics or arithmetic?
      Mathematics is defined as:
      the abstract science of number, quantity, and space.
      Arithmetic is defined as:
      the branch of mathematics dealing with the properties and manipulation of numbers.
      Arithmetic is a kind of maths.

    • @rumpeldrump
      @rumpeldrump หลายเดือนก่อน

      @jacobcombs1106 you talk a lot and say nothing, yes and arithmetic is a sub-area but not precise. everything you say is nonsense.

  • @donotelly
    @donotelly 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I generally don’t reduce further once I get to a logA/logB equation. Let the calculator do its job.

  • @johnmaynor3851
    @johnmaynor3851 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s was a good refresher for me.

  • @EthanHolder0
    @EthanHolder0 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I don't know why people think turning succinct logs into a bunch of fractions that still have logs in them is simpler. Why introduce potential arithmetic errors in "simplifying" a log, when the calculator does not care at all and works just as well either way.

  • @tcmxiyw
    @tcmxiyw หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Put off multiplying small factors to get a large number that you’re only going to factor later. Smaller factors are easier to work with.

  • @garryfrancois2320
    @garryfrancois2320 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good job bro!

  • @RafayKhan-h6q
    @RafayKhan-h6q หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    😮😮 good

  • @stevenjeng1237
    @stevenjeng1237 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I find that you are always doing complex way.

  • @luiscarloscamargo9941
    @luiscarloscamargo9941 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sensacional !!!

  • @z-ryk
    @z-ryk หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    8^(x+1) - 8^(x-1) = 3024
    => 8^x * 8 - 8^x * (1/8) = 3024
    => 8^x (8 - 1/8) = 3024
    => 8^x (63/8) = 3024
    => 8^x = 3024/(63/8)
    => 8^x = (3024 * 8) / 63
    => 8^x = (3024/9 * 8) / 7
    => 8^x = (1008/3 * 8) / 7
    => 8^x = (336/7) * 8
    => 8^x = 48 * 8
    => 8^x = 6 * 8 * 8
    => 8^(x-2) = 6
    => (x-2).ln(8) = ln(6)
    => x-2 = ln(6)/ln(8)
    => x = log_8(6) + 2

  • @stpat7614
    @stpat7614 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    No fractions in this solution:
    8^(x+1) - 8^(x-1) = 3024
    8^(x-1+2) - 8^(x-1) = 3024
    8^(x-1)*8^2 - 8^(x-1) = 3024
    8^(x-1)*64 - 8^(x-1)*1 = 3024
    8^(x-1)*(64 - 1) = 3024
    8^(x-1)*63 = 3024
    8^(x-1)*63/63 = 3024/63
    8^(x-1) = 48
    log(8^[x-1]) = log(48)
    (x-1)*log(8) = log(48)
    (x-1)*log(8) = log(6*8)
    (x-1)*log(8) = log(6) + log(8)
    (x-1)*log(8)/log(8) = (log[6] + log[8]) / log(8)
    x - 1 = log(6)/log(8) + log(8)/log(8)
    x - 1 = log_8(6) + 1
    x - 1 + 1 = log_8(6) + 1 + 1
    x = log_8(6) + 2

  • @SamsonMohamed
    @SamsonMohamed หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent teacher! Thank you!!!

  • @cyruschang1904
    @cyruschang1904 หลายเดือนก่อน

    y = 8^x
    8y - y/8 = 3024 = 8(3)(2)(63)
    63y = 8(8)(3)(2)(63)
    y = 8(8)(3)(2) = 3(2^7) = 8^x = 2^(3x)
    2^(3x - 7) = 3
    3x - 7 = (log3)/(log2)
    x = 7/3 + (log3)/(3log2)

  • @riccardogrossi1770
    @riccardogrossi1770 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    8^x *8 - 8^x/8 = 16*3*63
    8^x = 384

  • @nucki222
    @nucki222 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    X = ln 384 / ln 8 ; X = 2,86

  • @laurasaenz3021
    @laurasaenz3021 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    8^(x+1) - 8^(x-1) = 3024
    8^x*(8-1/8) = 3024
    8^x*(63/8) = 3024
    8^x*(3^2*7/2^3) = 2^4*3^3*7
    8^x = 2^7*3
    (2^3)^ x= 2^7*3
    2^(3x) =2^7*3
    2^(3x-7) = 3
    3x-7 = log_2(3)
    x = (7 +log_2(3))/3

  • @tonir299
    @tonir299 หลายเดือนก่อน

    8^(x+1) - 8^(x-1) = 3024 || *8
    8^(x+2) - 8^x = 3024*8
    (8^x)*(8^2 - 1) = 3024*8 || ÷63
    8^x = 48*8 || factorize
    2^(3*x) = 2^7*3 || log
    3*x*log2 = 7*log2 + log3 || ÷log2
    3*x = 7 + log3 / log2 || ÷3
    and change log base to 2
    x = (7 + log[2]3) / 3

  • @borisjeud8464
    @borisjeud8464 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    X= 2.86...

  • @THyperon
    @THyperon หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Everybody has a calculator... so at stage x-1=log48/log8 --> x=1+log48/log8 = 1+1.862 = 2.862 ✅️

    • @rumpeldrump
      @rumpeldrump หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Very imprecise.

  • @Victurf
    @Victurf 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Avec cette manie de changer de base, on ne sait toujours pas que vaut la réponse !

  • @YmohTheFrog
    @YmohTheFrog 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How does it take 17 minutes to do 8^x(8-1/8), divide both sides by (8-1/8) and do a log operation??

  • @kagan1429
    @kagan1429 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This is not an Olympiad question. Don’t waste people’s time with such simple questions and unnecessarily long solutions!

  • @wiseview1444
    @wiseview1444 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    trivial

  • @MrAlvaroxz
    @MrAlvaroxz 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    17 mins!!!
    Common factor 8^x then u are done...
    8^x(8-1/8)=3024
    8^x=3024/(63/8)
    8^x=3024*8/63
    x=log_8(3024*8/63)

  • @davidreid7293
    @davidreid7293 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mathematical manoeuvring but what is the purpose?

  • @Trog1959
    @Trog1959 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm horrified that this is (supposedly) a math Olympiad question

    • @BossDropbear
      @BossDropbear 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I very much doubt it to be Olympiad standard, its a slightly dressed up log question, 4th form/yr10 roughly, maybe 1 grade higher if I am generous.

  • @maxm9703
    @maxm9703 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    waste of time

  • @prosperchibharo957
    @prosperchibharo957 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maths olympiad and someone is winding and unnecessarily long

  • @MrAboy97
    @MrAboy97 หลายเดือนก่อน

    B/s 😂

  • @lanegibson6859
    @lanegibson6859 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That is not how to properly write an 8.

  • @NoobVSProlegendary
    @NoobVSProlegendary หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can’t you just make the bases of 8 the same and the power is like 378 so x + 1 x - 1 is equal to 8 to the power of 378