TAOISM/DAOISM: The Most Bastardized Philosophy: An Introduction | Philosophy of Laozi (道家)
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- This video introduces Taoism/Daoism by explicating some of the biggest misconceptions that people associate with as well as attempt to analyze and discuss the ideas of two of the most well-known Taoists/Daoists. It also differentiated Taoism/Daoism from Confucianism and Mohism from the previous lectures to illuminate the discrepancy between different schools and provide a larger picture of Chinese Philosophy.
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I have read 3 different translations of the Dao De Ching and most of them give quite different insights into the work. The fact that there is so much difference only proves that: "The Dao that can be told is not the Eternal Dao"
Definitely that’s why if you wanna truly understand, reading multiple translations & interpretations is necessary. That’s (also) why for both these videos and when I was learning, I would rely on several authors and more rely on native Chinese authors and make references to the original text.
Same with the martial art forms, and techniques, you have sifus that are bully's and just mirror other masters, and they dont even know the true meaning of the forms let alone spending half there life honing it., the true masters are in the Chinese bush, where they cultivate there chi. And train un interrupted, from Western thoughts and materials.
…or you could get a proper translation. Tf? 🤦🏻♂️
@@MarcSamuels562 there’s no definitive book in history just multiple versions of what is believed to be the original book’s intent
you will not really know an eternal dao due to the reduce of information to fit in our measurement and lexicon, as for me dao is actually the summary and detail of how thing work which can change as the nature's law change (its all aspect of the way the universe progressed)
brilliant! this is the most truthful thing I have ever read or watched on taoism.
Thanks for the good overview, and bringing up the complexities that too often get smoothed over by popularized versions of Daoism (certainly in the west). The very grammar (or lack thereof!) of classical Chinese creates an additional layer of difficulty in translating the Daodejing -- not to mention understanding it in Chinese itself!
I recently finished Brook Ziporyn's new translation (not a version) of the Daodejing which occasionally includes multilple translations of the same lines in order to convey some possible interpretations of the text. What I find particularly attractive about Ziporyn's approach is that he highlights the ironic uses of common words of the time and brings out just how subversive the text really is, beginning in the first chapter -- a truly countercultural philosophy.
Brook has some of the best books I have read on eastern philosophy. You are correct. ☯️ . His commentary and interpretations really bring the meaning alive.
This is a great video! Very enlightening.
'Genuine Pretending: On the Philosophy of the Zhuangzi' by Hans-Georg Moeller and Paul J. D'Ambrosio presents the Zhuangzi (and so to a fair degree Classical Daoism in general) the way I find it most insightful, entertaining, and rewarding, and with the most apprehensible relationship with Confucianism that I've found.
Non-action is one of the three gates to enlightenment in Buddhist Dharma
Seneca wasn't born a slave I think you confused him with Epictetus
Oh my.. Yeah I meant Epictetus, not Seneca. I completely got them flipped, one’s a slave and another’s a statesman. Thank you for catching my error! I feel like deleting my video now lol
@@lyceumofphilosophy9392 it's a simple mistake. Thank you for the content I'm still currently binge watching your videos. 🙏
Thank you I spend a lot of time making these videos so I hope you enjoy them. Please let me know if there’re any things that I can improve on
I'd be interested in a video of which english translations you would recommend for the Laozi, Zhuangzi and other philosophers. Thank you
I actually planned to list all the philosophy books that I’ve read since I was still a student and also the books that are related to this channel’s videos on a website when I can purchase a website domain after I start making pennies from TH-cam. Thank you for the video suggestion!
Stephen Mitchell’s translation is the best English translation of Tao te Ching in my opinion as he says “ even if I don’t always translate Lao tzu’s words it has always been my goal to translate his mind” I’m biased because Lao tzus text is by far the one i try to embody personally and his take on philosophical Taoism is the most palatable and useful to me personally and I believe if I could live like that I would almost float away. Other texts such as the lieh tzu I’d recommend Eva Wong I’m still trying to find a translation of the Chuang tzu that is worded in a smooth poetic and simple flowing way. if anyone has a good recommendation on that text please enlighten me
Good video. I disagree with the explanation of action thru inaction. I dont think it is asking for a passive hermit lifestyle or primitivism. I think its about theatrics. If to do something you have to first give a hundred prayers then maybe you in reality dont want to do it. Two examples :
1. If there is a certain action that you are taking which is putting a psychological toll on you i.e. the action doesnt flow effortlessly, then it is to stop doing it. (this maybe for instance a rote job). To flow as easily as water flows downhill.
2. If you pardon the english pun, its about acting without "act"ing. To contextualize, if somebody asks for water dont tell them how you would love to give them water, and that in fact come next winter they will change the flow of the river itself. Either give them water or fuck off.
Their hermetic lifestyle can be rather recontextualized as a form of civil disobedience. There are many philosophers who after looking around just decided that they want no part in this. I dont think they are advocating for decivilization. Just like most anti capitalists today are not asking for regression (e.g. marc fisher). Rather its about the purpose of progress. Just like the current left they are against progress for progress's sake. The question of import is the following : Who is the progress really helping and at cost to whom?
But of course this might be my bias coloring the reading of their philosophy.
Regardless of how faithful this may or may not be to the original philosophy, I enjoyed your interpretation of it, thank you for sharing!
I’d say Taoism is unique compared to Mohism and confusionism in that it seems almost more spiritual than philosophical. The DDJ didn’t really seem to point to a political philosophy but a spiritual way of life
That was a brilliant video and description of Dao, well done. :)
This is the first I have ever heard the idea that the Tao de Ching is a "collection of sayings" from random people. This seems like a pretty unlikely idea.
But true it is. Scholarly consensus is that, like all the other texts from early China, the Daodejing is an edited volume put together over centuries. People didn't sit down are write books like we are used to. If they wrote down material at all, they wrote down short paragraphs. (Much of the time they probably shared their ideas orally.) These sayings/paragraphs travelled around independendtly and were collected and arranged in various ways. But I wouldn't say the chapters are by "random" people: they clearly belonged to some sort of tradition.
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Lao Tsu spoke about the “Ancient Ones” in the Tao Te Ching.
Clearly a very old practice.
nice catchy title. bamboo is alive strong resilient outside empty inside. lau zi 8:1-4. beautiful pix. dau=now.
Thanks. Haha! Yeah the title is a bit exaggerated but i think it’s pretty accurate since Daoism, more specifically Dao De Jing, is misunderstood quite often by a lot of people. It is a bit frustrating to see misinformation spread by the speakers who didn’t do enough readings and research to talk about the subject.
It can be pretty baffling to see the wild 'translations' written of the daodejing, which are really just the philosophy of the writer written in the place of the chapters of the daodejing
nice elucidation! thanx
superb presentation apart from your mistake with seneca instead of epictetus, no major tho because the rest is fantastic. highly appreciated!
To understand Daoism, you must understand the message of this documentary 👉The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🙏
That was fabulous! Thank you!
I think it is about our personal relationship with the dao
I always thought Taoism was a religion... at least that's what all the textbooks say!
Sometimes it is put this way. There are two schools of taoism religious taoism and philosophical taoism. is away and the way you follow it is up to you
Therevada Buddhism and Taoism is sort of something between philosophy and religion.
@@ilgattoparddo It is interesting to add that I have some friends who count themselves Theravada Buddhist, and in their language, the Buddha is simply "the teacher", not as the lord or the prophet or a deity. They told me that they were taught, even by teachers from public schools, that Buddha should be respected for his wisdom, not for his perceived divine power. So it seems like there is more to both of them than what most people seem to think they are.
@@daltsu3498 I also thought the same since the textbooks that I read never presented the fact that religious derivation of philosophical Daoism came about half a millennium later after the philosophical Daoism. I looked up after this video and surprised to find that it is true
The definition of 'religion' is a bit too fluid and culturally specific.
This reminds me of Chapter 42 of Tao Te Ching, one produces two, two produce three, three produce myriad things.
The dao of ten thousand things is quite powerful
What a great lecture! Thank you a lot!
Thank you! I hope you learned new things from this video!
@@lyceumofphilosophy9392 , not only I learnt a good new lot, but found myself fascinated with your great depth of understanding and presentation. You are a great teacher!
That’s good to hear. I was a bit worried that the lectures will come out very pedantic with many jargons since that is how I formally learned but I also did not want to be too informal because I don’t want to leave out important details so I have to be particular with words. Do you have any suggestions on how to improve my videos?
@@lyceumofphilosophy9392 , you do it the greatest. Don't doubt yourself 💪.
Keep it up 👍
I think understanding our place is to go with the flow. we live in a universe of entropy but life itself is negentropy and while for life itself its parts are always undergoing entropy, life as a whole works to reverse it by using the energy released via entropy of various things like the star's entropy, it taps into that energy and stores it creating a cycle where energy is stored in biomass and the components it utilises and to me that is what lifes purpose is, to utilise entropy to facilitate negentropy and humans are an extension of that able to tap into more sources of energy and even increase the energy from the star coming to this planet etc. things like technology are not bad but you get good and bad people. to me humans are apart of this organism/code that life is. it is simply about taking things like the energy the earths core releases and putting it for something and for humans it is our ideas. life went on for millions if not billions of years trapping energy in the biomass, who is to say it did not reach some peak where decay matched growth and it created humans to utilise some of the energy, chop down some trees and make objects, utilise compounds to create the things we now use in daily life such as airplanes, satellites, even colonise other planets. what it is about though is utilising the energy to do something. we are a new species and we will use energy for better uses over time because entropy will force us to. and by that I mean nature works a certain way, and it in and of itself is negentropy, that is the flow we must go with to actually go with the flow, because that is what life is. for example in the way we produce our foods currently is not going with the flow and the consequences of that are entropy and the increasing auto immune conditions and other things people are suffering, requiring more of our output yearly to offset. because plants take energy and feed the microorganisms in the soils to facilitate negentropy, breaking down the compounds in sand, silt and clay and creating soils and making those compounds available to plants, because we generally grow crops with only a single species of plant they do not feed the microbes correctly to make those nutrients available to the plants as you need multiple species grown together as each plant only supports certain species. so as all of life works together to facilitate negentropy it causes weed's to germinate due to the lower oxygen in the soils caused by compaction due to lacking the species and as those microbes are not producing the defence compounds for the plants increasing pests and disease that we need to constantly put more of our output to yearly to fight and these pests and diseases also impact whatever is consuming those crops/ up the food chain as it lacks the compounds it needs, because the microbes produce things like the omega 3's and many compounds we cannot replace. growing meat and foods actually going with the flow of what nature is means we can put the energy to better uses, and as we are a new species overtime we will learn from the consequences because they will put greater pressures on us via entropy as a whole, but also individuals that facilitate negentropy by doing their ideas and using energy to do so. nothing can escape entropy, but life is about using energy for negentropy/ useful things and going with the flow. when people are doing that its not because you want wealth or money, but they will flow to you anyway because you are doing what is needed and going with the flow of life, people reward you by buying your products so you can do more of your ideas and you go on to create better jobs and things like that by better utilising the resources and energy than previously. what we need is more people doing their own ideas and doing the things they are interested in to develop their talents, they need to reinvest a portion of their income into their own ideas and then keep reinvesting anything they earn from it and develop their talents because whatever interests people interests others too and will give us the best life. it is not because you want money but because your ideas are good and benefit everything. from cooking, to dancing, to gardening or rock climbing, singing.. driving or playing basketball, skydiving whatever your interests are if you do them you can market them to others is my point and the more you do them the more you will develop your talents and enjoy life and do what you love because what you have to sell will be superior as you are not doing it for the money and want to reinvest as much as you can do simply do more of it and do it better, it actually frees up your time because you become more productive with it until you will not need to work and employing other's who are working for you while reinvesting into their own ideas too.
I like your thinking and the energy that you put into writing this comment. I agree. Life is too short to be spent on things that takes away too much of your energy that you can’t work on other things that you actually enjoy. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
It is a way of doing the world.
You don't really knew Dao De Jing if you read it in ENGLISH.
Jah and jyiao
CONFUSIONISM 😅😂 sorry I had to laugh because it's both wrong and right
Sorry but I can't follow your cadence. It's so choppy and incoherent.
I wonder how you would sound speaking Mandarin?
He is, that's why he's so hard to understand.
Typical TH-cam scholar.