If you lock your seat with left lever and if you turn the knob (right) to the maximum then the chair is fully locked, no tilt anymore. Don't worry about to turn the knob it has a long way to final position.
Thank you for this video! I think we need more chair reviews like this - very subjective, mentioning the tiniest differences in experience originating in how people's bodies are different. There's too many people who believe that a single chair can fit all.
@@zeroBSreviews I'm glad you mentioned that, because a lot of Steelcase fanboys like to boast about their chairs having more adjustments than HM chairs. But as you've highlighted, the reality is that it still won't fit everyone as well.
The Mirra 2 was the first ever HM chair that I tried out, and I did experience very similar issues. However, it did go away in a few days and having the seat height at the correct level did improve the comfort massively for me. I did end up returning it and got the Aeron instead, even though the chair was amazing and there was very little to fault. I prefer the Aeron, as the mesh is more flexible and the armrests are the best.
I can feel you. I actually turned to Embody and Mirra 2 after experiencing three Aerons with manufacturing defects (crooked chassis) and finally went full circle to buying Aeron again.
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I see, the rule is "To sit properly, you should adjust your chair so that your legs are parallel with the ground and your knees are even with your hips. Your arms should be parallel to the ground, too. Your feet should be resting on the floor"
Have you tried lowering the seat height? too high of a seat can stress your legs, and can put pressure on the underside of your leg causing your leg discomfort
I tried the Embody, Aeron remastered & the Mirra Butterfly 2. The Embody was the most comfortable. There was no difference between the Aeron & then Mirra both functionalitywise. Comfort wise it felt better then the Aeron. For the WFH situation yes its a buy over the Aeron
1:55 - I share a similar experience with this chair. I can feel the frame, and it gives me coxes pain. Unfortunately, I bought a used chair, and I can't return it. I'm feeling disappointed as I thought Herman Miller was the go-to brand. 3:55 - Similar comments on arm position.
@Zero BS Reviews Rewatched the video, you definitely need a footrest, but maybe not a conventional one because that would be too high, just a plank of wood 4 to 6 cm should do the job, you can improvise with a book until you find something that size. You can lock in the chair in the upright position or the next one half reclined and decrease (yes, decrease!) the lumbar support tension to minimum if you say it would feel nicer lower - Mirra 2 already does a great job with the backseat molded in a way to provide the best lumbar and sacral support. In this setup you can also give it a go with the seatpan adjustment and leave it all the way up, I can't tell from the video but it looks like there is too much space there for your thighs and maybe that is why you feel presure, you should have maybe 2-3 fingers left to the knee with the seatpan adjustment all the way up. Give it a go and update please!
no point in footrests if I can lower the chair and the desk. But yes, you're right - I am sitting a bit higher than I should be in this video. I was fiddling with the chair and set it incorrectly.
If you can feel the edge in the back, you are sitting too far back, I think. I never feel that thing on the back because I don't sit so far back. And maybe that helps because I never feel a bad sensation in my legs, either. I also never lock the chair. I have the full range of motion but with sufficient resistance.
The problem is that to sit in a proper ergonomic position you have to sit all the way back :) You're definitely right about not locking the chair - the lock is more of a workaround to get in a certain position faster, but the proper way would be having it unlocked and with the tension set properly, so you can move around.
@@zeroBSreviews I think you shouldn't overthink the "all the way back" part. If you feel the thing on the back, you're definitely more "all the way" than what's meant by the "all the way" when someone says "you have to sit all the way back". I think that by trying to fulfill that, you're actively pushing yourself towards the back, and that's incorrect, and it's probably also why your legs can't relax properly.
I have this chair, best chair I've ever had your review is very subjective... strange ive owned 20 chairs in my life and this is literally the best out of them all ive had SERTA ones, etc etc every good brand
Very good and useful data. I am 178 and 73kg and has hip impingement problems. Seems like the flexible front mesh is great. How does the mirra 2 compare to the Embody?
Your legs hurt because when you bend the seat to make space in the back of your legs, you are stretching the mesh, especially around the knee area. Try bending the seat a bit less if it allows.
Chair it self is great except current issue. After around year and half the plastic behind mesh have cracks. Waiting for repair 23 day so far. I expected more from HM.
You aren't pushing down with your legs. Instead what is happening is you are changing your center of gravity. When you lift your feet up (floor is no longer supporting your legs), the center of gravity moves forward. Feet down center of gravity moves back.
I picked up a used Aeron Classic today and am experiencing pain in my lower thighs and related numbing in my calves and feet. Not sure if this is an adjustment period or not. I did lower the chair height a little so my feet are flat on the ground and my legs are level with my hips. Using a foot rest actually seems to make it worse. Time will tell I’ve seen other reviews where they say they had pain for about a week until they bodies adjusted to the chair. Fingers crossed 🤞
I had some thighs pains the first two weeks of use on the Mirra 2 as well. It doesnt bother me anymore. I would like to add one add-on option feature that can please some person - is the negative tilt - where you can actually lean upfront for some focusing task.
Yes, that is an awesome feature, love it, I use it when I want to take som pressure of my spine and transfer it to legs. My experience with thigh pain is similar - I have less and less thigh pain the more I use it, but I still get some soreness.
Hello, a few days ago I purchased a brand new Mirra 2 chair. I am completely satisfied with it, but there is a slight wobble of a few millimeters or about 1 cm in the seat. I'm not sure what causes it; maybe the cylinder is moving? It's very annoying. Is this normal or is the chair faulty? Please let me know.
This is one of my biggest questions whenever I'm shopping for a chair and I was hoping he was gonna grab the Ibanez and demonstrate. In my experience, most chairs with armrests that flip up have the armrests too high for my comfort when in the down position. Flippable armrests with a raise/lower mechanism like that of the Aeron would be perfect.
Hey man! Great review, I just got this chair myself and I have two issues with it: - It's not the best chair for just sitting casually and watching a movie etc. - I share the same issue as you, my feet subconsciously keep pushing my back, and if I don't want that I have to put stress on my legs so it doesn't happen, really annoying. Have you been able to fix these issues?
You are not pushing down with your feet. When your feet touch the ground their weight (incl legs) is on the ground but when you lift them your centre of balance moves forward since the ground is no longer supporting the weight of your legs.
What''s your chair now? this is the chair i got for my wife.. for my self i got the Emobdy because i'm way bigger and heavier. NO way the Mirra is going to work for me haha..
I think after watching your Embody review as well as this, i think the issue is Herman Miller chairs are probably not suitable for you. You might need to try another brand like Humanscale, Haworth, Ergohuman or Steelcase
You should be able to lock the chair fully upright preventing you from pushing down with your feet and slightly leaning back. I noticed you had full recline open the whole video.
Even with the lock fully upright. You still have the tiny movement when resting your back sadly. It can be a no-no for some person. As my first ergo-chair. I am okay with it. But I don't think I personally like it with the time I am using the Mirra 2.
@@davyp.3844 It's meant by design, not a single high end office chair locks fully upright with 0 movement. You're not meant to stay static, even when you're fully upright. I do understand how this can cause an issue, but it's a design choice rather than a flaw.
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If you lock your seat with left lever and if you turn the knob (right) to the maximum then the chair is fully locked, no tilt anymore. Don't worry about to turn the knob it has a long way to final position.
Thank you for this video! I think we need more chair reviews like this - very subjective, mentioning the tiniest differences in experience originating in how people's bodies are different.
There's too many people who believe that a single chair can fit all.
Steelcase believes their chairs can fit everyone.
and yet I haven't find one from Steelcase that fits me after spending an hour in their showroom :) Everyone is different.
@@zeroBSreviews I'm glad you mentioned that, because a lot of Steelcase fanboys like to boast about their chairs having more adjustments than HM chairs.
But as you've highlighted, the reality is that it still won't fit everyone as well.
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because there's not enough drum in your music set.
Really useful, hands on experience, underlining the many issues which the professional reviewers never touch on. Thanks so much !
I appreciate these critical reviews
All my tech jobs had Herman Millers, the Mirra 2 was by far the most comfortable for me being 6’3. The thigh adjuster is so handy for me as well.
The Mirra 2 was the first ever HM chair that I tried out, and I did experience very similar issues.
However, it did go away in a few days and having the seat height at the correct level did improve the comfort massively for me.
I did end up returning it and got the Aeron instead, even though the chair was amazing and there was very little to fault.
I prefer the Aeron, as the mesh is more flexible and the armrests are the best.
I can feel you. I actually turned to Embody and Mirra 2 after experiencing three Aerons with manufacturing defects (crooked chassis) and finally went full circle to buying Aeron again.
I see, the rule is "To sit properly, you should adjust your chair so that your legs are parallel with the ground and your knees are even with your hips. Your arms should be parallel to the ground, too. Your feet should be resting on the floor"
@@zeroBSreviews Which Aeron did you buy? I'm the same height and weight as yourself lol
I got this chair from my dad who got it for free from his office. An amazing chair. 10/10 would recommend
Have you tried lowering the seat height? too high of a seat can stress your legs, and can put pressure on the underside of your leg causing your leg discomfort
You are correct, chair is clearly a bit too high in the video for him.
I tried the Embody, Aeron remastered & the Mirra Butterfly 2. The Embody was the most comfortable. There was no difference between the Aeron & then Mirra both functionalitywise. Comfort wise it felt better then the Aeron. For the WFH situation yes its a buy over the Aeron
Seems like you need to lower your chair. Or get a foot rest.
Nope, that just moves the pain from thighs to calves
1:55 - I share a similar experience with this chair. I can feel the frame, and it gives me coxes pain. Unfortunately, I bought a used chair, and I can't return it. I'm feeling disappointed as I thought Herman Miller was the go-to brand. 3:55 - Similar comments on arm position.
@Zero BS Reviews Rewatched the video, you definitely need a footrest, but maybe not a conventional one because that would be too high, just a plank of wood 4 to 6 cm should do the job, you can improvise with a book until you find something that size. You can lock in the chair in the upright position or the next one half reclined and decrease (yes, decrease!) the lumbar support tension to minimum if you say it would feel nicer lower - Mirra 2 already does a great job with the backseat molded in a way to provide the best lumbar and sacral support. In this setup you can also give it a go with the seatpan adjustment and leave it all the way up, I can't tell from the video but it looks like there is too much space there for your thighs and maybe that is why you feel presure, you should have maybe 2-3 fingers left to the knee with the seatpan adjustment all the way up. Give it a go and update please!
no point in footrests if I can lower the chair and the desk. But yes, you're right - I am sitting a bit higher than I should be in this video. I was fiddling with the chair and set it incorrectly.
so basically entire review complaints are over user error ? @@zeroBSreviews
If you can feel the edge in the back, you are sitting too far back, I think. I never feel that thing on the back because I don't sit so far back. And maybe that helps because I never feel a bad sensation in my legs, either. I also never lock the chair. I have the full range of motion but with sufficient resistance.
The problem is that to sit in a proper ergonomic position you have to sit all the way back :) You're definitely right about not locking the chair - the lock is more of a workaround to get in a certain position faster, but the proper way would be having it unlocked and with the tension set properly, so you can move around.
@@zeroBSreviews I think you shouldn't overthink the "all the way back" part. If you feel the thing on the back, you're definitely more "all the way" than what's meant by the "all the way" when someone says "you have to sit all the way back". I think that by trying to fulfill that, you're actively pushing yourself towards the back, and that's incorrect, and it's probably also why your legs can't relax properly.
I have this chair, best chair I've ever had
your review is very subjective...
strange ive owned 20 chairs in my life and this is literally the best out of them all
ive had SERTA ones, etc etc every good brand
Of course it is subjective, that's the point of reviewing. I am glad that the chair suits you.
I also had the leg and knee pain. It doesn't go away and only gets worse the longer you use the chair.
Very good and useful data. I am 178 and 73kg and has hip impingement problems. Seems like the flexible front mesh is great. How does the mirra 2 compare to the Embody?
Your legs hurt because when you bend the seat to make space in the back of your legs, you are stretching the mesh, especially around the knee area. Try bending the seat a bit less if it allows.
Chair it self is great except current issue. After around year and half the plastic behind mesh have cracks. Waiting for repair 23 day so far. I expected more from HM.
You aren't pushing down with your legs. Instead what is happening is you are changing your center of gravity. When you lift your feet up (floor is no longer supporting your legs), the center of gravity moves forward. Feet down center of gravity moves back.
I picked up a used Aeron Classic today and am experiencing pain in my lower thighs and related numbing in my calves and feet. Not sure if this is an adjustment period or not. I did lower the chair height a little so my feet are flat on the ground and my legs are level with my hips. Using a foot rest actually seems to make it worse. Time will tell I’ve seen other reviews where they say they had pain for about a week until they bodies adjusted to the chair. Fingers crossed 🤞
I had some thighs pains the first two weeks of use on the Mirra 2 as well. It doesnt bother me anymore.
I would like to add one add-on option feature that can please some person - is the negative tilt - where you can actually lean upfront for some focusing task.
Yes, that is an awesome feature, love it, I use it when I want to take som pressure of my spine and transfer it to legs. My experience with thigh pain is similar - I have less and less thigh pain the more I use it, but I still get some soreness.
@@zeroBSreviews I had thigh pain with the Mirra 2, when I first got it, however it went away when I had the correct height set.
nice review man!! have you tried steelcase chairs?
My dealer installed an -official HM- component to reduce the width of the armrests. Since them it’s great for me. Ask your dealer.
That's very interesting, I never knew that official HM dealers could offer that level of customisation.
Could you please tell more? My dealer is not aware of this option.
@@zeroBSreviews Please contact Loyal Brand (Amsterdam, Netherlands). They provided it for me.
Thanks for the advice, I live in Amsterdam and was looking for a HM chair
Hello, a few days ago I purchased a brand new Mirra 2 chair. I am completely satisfied with it, but there is a slight wobble of a few millimeters or about 1 cm in the seat. I'm not sure what causes it; maybe the cylinder is moving? It's very annoying. Is this normal or is the chair faulty? Please let me know.
Hi ! Thanks for the vid. Can you play the guitar without any difficulty when sitted on the chair, maybe by lowering the arms ?
I can, but I have to scoot forward on the seat. I cannot play sitting with my back touching the backrest.
This is one of my biggest questions whenever I'm shopping for a chair and I was hoping he was gonna grab the Ibanez and demonstrate.
In my experience, most chairs with armrests that flip up have the armrests too high for my comfort when in the down position. Flippable armrests with a raise/lower mechanism like that of the Aeron would be perfect.
@@erakattack I purchased The HM and it's totally ok for playing the guitar.
Hey man! Great review, I just got this chair myself and I have two issues with it:
- It's not the best chair for just sitting casually and watching a movie etc.
- I share the same issue as you, my feet subconsciously keep pushing my back, and if I don't want that I have to put stress on my legs so it doesn't happen, really annoying.
Have you been able to fix these issues?
The chair looks a bit too tall for your preference, maybe that's why your legs get hurt.
I can set it lower, but it will give me more knee pain that way. I can set it higher, but it will give me more thigh pain
hey! do the armrests on the Mirra or the Aeron go low enough so that you can play the guitar comfortably? thanks!
Not really, I have to scooch forward and sit on the edge of the chair.
What chair would you recommend for playing/recording guitar? Thank you
Looks like you didn’t make any vids after this, so did you end up sticking with this one…?
You are not pushing down with your feet. When your feet touch the ground their weight (incl legs) is on the ground but when you lift them your centre of balance moves forward since the ground is no longer supporting the weight of your legs.
how the seat after a few hours?
how many mm tall are you?
wait why don't you raise the height of the chair slightly to relieve the strain on your legs?
In his case, lowering would probably help rather than raising.
What''s your chair now? this is the chair i got for my wife.. for my self i got the Emobdy because i'm way bigger and heavier. NO way the Mirra is going to work for me haha..
Try using a foot rest, it will get the stress off of your legs.
tried, didn't solve anything
lol i had pain and it turned to numbness. Yeah I think we can stop there not buying this chair.
I think after watching your Embody review as well as this, i think the issue is Herman Miller chairs are probably not suitable for you. You might need to try another brand like Humanscale, Haworth, Ergohuman or Steelcase
You should be able to lock the chair fully upright preventing you from pushing down with your feet and slightly leaning back. I noticed you had full recline open the whole video.
I literally lock it at 1:00 lol. it still allows some movement while being locked like all HM chairs do
Even with the lock fully upright. You still have the tiny movement when resting your back sadly. It can be a no-no for some person. As my first ergo-chair. I am okay with it. But I don't think I personally like it with the time I am using the Mirra 2.
@@davyp.3844 It's meant by design, not a single high end office chair locks fully upright with 0 movement.
You're not meant to stay static, even when you're fully upright.
I do understand how this can cause an issue, but it's a design choice rather than a flaw.
@@zeroBSreviews Same thing happens with all the high end Steelcase and Haworth chairs, it's not a HM specific thing.