Robert Dvorkin Why? I mean, come on.. That's what people have said about Liszt's 1838 version etudes, but turned out they were even more awesome than the 1851 simplified versions. And I'd really love to hear someone play this piece decently and give it the justice it deserves. Pletnev here gave a good attempt, but yeah, the piece really got the better of him in the end. :-S It must be a hell difficult to play.
mazeppa1231 i think that liszt wrote a lot of pieces that were virtuosity for its own sake, and this piece is exemplary among them. even the etudes have much more music in them.
Robert Dvorkin Yeah, I agree with you. There are some pieces like the clochette fantasy for instance, which was written for the sake of virtuosity. But in this case, we shouldn't judge a piece just from hearing one pianist play it. I mean, compare Eric Wild's Robert le diable recording to Leslie Howard, for example.. Or Lang Lang's Don Juan to Hamelin's, or Bolet's grand galop chromatique to Cziffra's. If you hear one or two performances of it and you didn't like it, you shouldn't blame the composer like many people have done; for it's the pianist's responsibility to bring alive the piece in front of the audience. Yet, people misunderstand and blame the composer for it instead and not the pianist. I've seen this a thousand times in utter disgust. Why? And given that there are only 2 performances of this piece here on youtube (1 now, since Howard's recording has thankfully left the website), it's relatively unheard of. People should give this piece a chance. I mean, look at Nikolai Petrov's interpretation of the 1838 paganini etudes, for instance. He actually gave a performance which is something at least close to decent regarding those etudes. Enrico Pace too, also performed Paganini Etude no. 2 (1838 version) which was by far better than Petrov's. In this video, Pletnev wasn't able to give a good performance of this piece at all, and its utter dryness in his playing completely destroyed the piece's spanish character. It's not the composer's fault, but the pianist's. Look at 3:48 to 4:04 for example: The melody was supposed to be something similar to one section of Liszt's Spanish Rhapsody, but he destroyed the tune completely and made so many mistakes in that part. His playing was very clumsy here. So why should Liszt take the blame simply because Pletnev's playing of the piece was lousy? Is it not right? It's clearly evident that Pletnev in this video wasn't skilled enough to give justice to this piece. Someone else with the required skill the piece demands should tackle it instead of Pletnev. Yes, it's a very difficult piece (imo, this is even harder than Don Juan) and even though it's better than Howard's ridiculously slow performance, it's nothing close to decent. You could even see clearly how his hands tire out in fatigue at the end - especially at 4:32 onwards and thus, he destroyed the piece and clouded out the melody as a result. The composer shouldn't take any criticism for that. For god sake, Liszt didn't indicate "pretend to get tired and destroy the melody" in the sheet music, did he? So simply put, blame Pletnev. Not Liszt.
Liszt was a sadist for composing such a ridiculously difficult piece. A ridiculously difficult piece for mortals, not for Pletnev. For him it's simply "challenging!"
@@amedeemereaux5678 This piece seems to be even harder than El Contrabandista. And he's playing some of its hardest parts. He probably had high standards that's why did not want to play el Contrabandista. Same with the reason why Horowitz doesn't play the Transcendentals.
@@Santosificationable I agree with you. Actually there's no problem with him to any other Liszt pieces if he play s253 well, one of the most demanding piece, at least technically. Pianists have their own standard you said. Legend says even the great pianist Richter often hesitates to include or not Chopin op.10 no.2 in his concert. Same context with Pletnev El Contra.
I'm proud to say that I've learned all the Spanish Fantasies and Hungarian Rhapsodies, and can recite them with ease! Not the notes and melodies, of course - that is pretty much impossible. But the titles of the works, which is the closest to performing Liszt that I will ever come...
Wow! At first I thought the tile was referring to Spanish rhapsody, but this is even better! I wonder how one would go about getting this from a Russian archive, because such a performance deserves to be appreciated in whole. Thank you for taking the time to post what you had.
@@leomiller2291 Because the piece is a gimmick, among a long list of gimmicks Liszt had already published. It is crazy to see someone playing at his level though.
This looks like 1979 or so to me. Pletnev always has had infallible fingers. Just unbelievable his facility at the piano. Today he's turned into a sublime artist. He still has all the chops yet he always has something wonderful to say in his playing.
I assure you, Pletnev could have done it much better. People make mistakes. Only people like Michelangeli are obsessed with being note perfect (not that it's necessarily bad). It looks to me that Pletnev was just giving a "taste" of the piece - by playing only a part of it. But, let us all face it - can YOU play the piece?
born to be....real deal...aboslutely magical pianist...saw him playin schubert @ carneggie long ago (and he's not my fav composer), it was different schubert, one that only pletnev can deliever...always pleasure to listen and watch...thanks for sharing.
@@ingoodmusic That's the full version of what must have been aired on TV (with other players performing as well) but it still does not contain Pletnev's full performance of this piece.
Yeah He said that score of this fantasy was given to Pletnev by Flier on their last lesson. And that Flier said it would be good if Pletnev will learn it. So it was kind of last will
@@Kat-vl3xz I can assure you that Yakov Flier and Reinhold Glier were two distinct persons--even if you've never seen the two in the same place at the same time. For that matter, Reinhold Glier died the year before M. Pletnev was born, a circumstance that would have made the former's tutelage of the latter a bit difficult.
@@vnwa7390 I wouldn't be so sure on that. Don't get me wrong Argerich and Pollini are superhumans and I would make a pact with the devil to be able to play the Schumann toccata and Chopin etudes at ⅒ of their level. But this piece is on a different level. Every bit of this is as hard as a random passage picked from the Schumann toccata if not even harder and this lasts 3 or 4 times more. So I would say that only pianist that have played pieces at this level can play this: Hamelin (hid Don Juan is is nearly perfect, and his triple etude over Chopin is crazy), John Ogdon (frabtasie de bravoure sue la clochette and Sorjabij), Katsaris (he recorded all of the Beethoven symphonies improvising on top of them making them harder and delivered some of the best recordings in the classical piano world, is there anything he can't do?), Kim (he played the clochette fantasy when he was 20), William Wolfram (his Lucrezia Borgia is a beast), Goran Filipec (he has the best rendition of the 1838 etudes and he is one of the best Liszt interpreters)ecc.
Danny B. apparently Leslie Howard has recorded it. There used to be a YT video which had increased the speed of that recording by 150% because it was so disappointingly slow. I can't find it now though. After Pletnev it's sure to be a bit of a let down.
Yeah, I forgot that he had a project where he recorded absolutely all of Liszt's piano output. And yes, I can imagine it will be a great letdown. I will content myself then with this excerpt for the time being.
I love Pletnev very much and consider Liszt a great composer. But in this opus Pletnev, following Liszt, seems to be carried away into outer vacuum, from where I can see the shining virtuosity of both the piece and the performer, but my heart does not hear the soul of this music.
I believe this is the last few segments of the Spanish Fantasy. A lot of people who have recorded it failed to keep up with tempo and accuracy. I’ll check him out!
Preludio Thanks! Now that you pointed out what section of the piece this is, it does seem to be the same work. I just didn't notice the hand over hand scales that start at about 1:46 in the Korobeinikov rendition. Also, Pletnev's tempo is noticeably faster.
Danny B. In Mendes’ midi which is supposedly the original one, it doesn’t have the weird scale Pletnev introduces. I think those scales he added himself because yes I didn’t hear it in any other. Interesting
If you compare Pletnev at 2:30 with Andrei's counterpart at 14:00, you'll hear the difference. But Pletnev is hors concours, Andrei delivers a very fine performance as well !
@@일론머스크-s2z 자 여기서 수준차이 딱 나오죠? 유튜브에서 일반인들이 치는건 스페인 대환상곡이 아닌 대연습곡임 ㅋㅋ Fantasy -> 환상곡 Rhapsody->연습곡 즉 너가 우기는 그 일반인들이 치는 영상들은 스페인환상곡을 의한 연습곡임(물론 그거도 많은 연습이 필요함) 진짜 나보다 더 잘 안다고? 잘 알지도 못하면서 깝치니까 잼민이 소리듣는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ
Молодой Плетнёв чесал дай Боже, но насколько же тупо и пусто это "творение" Листа ((заслуженно) забытое и никем не исполняемое, как заметил сам Плетнев). Звучит как "пародия на Листа" ))
Pletnevs performance of this piece seems to be horrible, but there’s pianists like yi huang Chung who manage to reveal the true brilliance of the Spanish fantasy
For those who didn't understand, he just said: Hey guys, if you think the Hungarian Rhapsody or La Campanella is hard, check this out!
😂😂😂😂
Lmao
It seems like he was talking for much longer than your comment would presume. What did he actually say?
I think he actually presented himself and the piece
Hahahahaha
Almost get the feeling the piece gets a bit much for him at the end. It must be a nightmare to play!
Yeah a nightmare to play, and (frankly) not worth the effort, IMHO.
Robert Dvorkin Why? I mean, come on.. That's what people have said about Liszt's 1838 version etudes, but turned out they were even more awesome than the 1851 simplified versions.
And I'd really love to hear someone play this piece decently and give it the justice it deserves. Pletnev here gave a good attempt, but yeah, the piece really got the better of him in the end. :-S It must be a hell difficult to play.
mazeppa1231 i think that liszt wrote a lot of pieces that were virtuosity for its own sake, and this piece is exemplary among them. even the etudes have much more music in them.
Robert Dvorkin Yeah, I agree with you. There are some pieces like the clochette fantasy for instance, which was written for the sake of virtuosity. But in this case, we shouldn't judge a piece just from hearing one pianist play it. I mean, compare Eric Wild's Robert le diable recording to Leslie Howard, for example.. Or Lang Lang's Don Juan to Hamelin's, or Bolet's grand galop chromatique to Cziffra's. If you hear one or two performances of it and you didn't like it, you shouldn't blame the composer like many people have done; for it's the pianist's responsibility to bring alive the piece in front of the audience. Yet, people misunderstand and blame the composer for it instead and not the pianist. I've seen this a thousand times in utter disgust. Why?
And given that there are only 2 performances of this piece here on youtube (1 now, since Howard's recording has thankfully left the website), it's relatively unheard of. People should give this piece a chance. I mean, look at Nikolai Petrov's interpretation of the 1838 paganini etudes, for instance. He actually gave a performance which is something at least close to decent regarding those etudes. Enrico Pace too, also performed Paganini Etude no. 2 (1838 version) which was by far better than Petrov's. In this video, Pletnev wasn't able to give a good performance of this piece at all, and its utter dryness in his playing completely destroyed the piece's spanish character. It's not the composer's fault, but the pianist's.
Look at 3:48 to 4:04 for example: The melody was supposed to be something similar to one section of Liszt's Spanish Rhapsody, but he destroyed the tune completely and made so many mistakes in that part. His playing was very clumsy here. So why should Liszt take the blame simply because Pletnev's playing of the piece was lousy? Is it not right? It's clearly evident that Pletnev in this video wasn't skilled enough to give justice to this piece. Someone else with the required skill the piece demands should tackle it instead of Pletnev.
Yes, it's a very difficult piece (imo, this is even harder than Don Juan) and even though it's better than Howard's ridiculously slow performance, it's nothing close to decent. You could even see clearly how his hands tire out in fatigue at the end - especially at 4:32 onwards and thus, he destroyed the piece and clouded out the melody as a result. The composer shouldn't take any criticism for that.
For god sake, Liszt didn't indicate "pretend to get tired and destroy the melody" in the sheet music, did he? So simply put, blame Pletnev. Not Liszt.
+mazeppa1231 a little mistake...... Earl Wild, not Eric
Liszt was a sadist for composing such a ridiculously difficult piece. A ridiculously difficult piece for mortals, not for Pletnev. For him it's simply "challenging!"
Even for Pletnev near the end, you can tell he was trudging!
@@amedeemereaux5678 This piece seems to be even harder than El Contrabandista. And he's playing some of its hardest parts. He probably had high standards that's why did not want to play el Contrabandista. Same with the reason why Horowitz doesn't play the Transcendentals.
@@CziffraTheThird That doesn't prove anything for certain - for all we know he just didn't practise it well enough.
@@Santosificationable I utterly agree with you!...I just wish we could see the entire recording...
@@Santosificationable I agree with you. Actually there's no problem with him to any other Liszt pieces if he play s253 well, one of the most demanding piece, at least technically.
Pianists have their own standard you said. Legend says even the great pianist Richter often hesitates to include or not Chopin op.10 no.2 in his concert. Same context with Pletnev El Contra.
I'm proud to say that I've learned all the Spanish Fantasies and Hungarian Rhapsodies, and can recite them with ease!
Not the notes and melodies, of course - that is pretty much impossible. But the titles of the works, which is the closest to performing Liszt that I will ever come...
you had me in the first half ahaha
You got me haha ! I was thinking "This guy is either lying or a piano genius" then I read the rest of your comment x)
lol🤣🤣
I literally dropped my jaw 😂
Man, am I gullible
Wow! At first I thought the tile was referring to Spanish rhapsody, but this is even better! I wonder how one would go about getting this from a Russian archive, because such a performance deserves to be appreciated in whole. Thank you for taking the time to post what you had.
looks like a taller putin
Плетнёв гений!!!
Без сомнения.
There's a reason why Liszt never published this during his lifetime...
Did he not?
@@Santosificationable Nope, it was posthumously published after his death.
And what would that reason be?
Because he had already revised S.695c and S.253 into the S.254 which was published in his lifetime
@@leomiller2291 Because the piece is a gimmick, among a long list of gimmicks Liszt had already published. It is crazy to see someone playing at his level though.
아 이걸치는사람이 있네
bravissimo! grande pletnev.
Это просто фантастический уровень владения роялем!
This looks like 1979 or so to me. Pletnev always has had infallible fingers. Just unbelievable his facility at the piano. Today he's turned into a sublime artist. He still has all the chops yet he always has something wonderful to say in his playing.
I assure you, Pletnev could have done it much better. People make mistakes. Only people like Michelangeli are obsessed with being note perfect (not that it's necessarily bad). It looks to me that Pletnev was just giving a "taste" of the piece - by playing only a part of it. But, let us all face it - can YOU play the piece?
Jokes aside, Pletnev nails this part when compared to all the other recordings, as many are much slower tempo and very innacurate
The description says he played the full piece but video of it can't be found.
If a camera man had taken the vedio fully, it would have been a nearly perfect performance of this piece! It’s a bummer!
Really good Performance and Professional, Bravo
I M P O S S I B L E
born to be....real deal...aboslutely magical pianist...saw him playin schubert @ carneggie long ago (and he's not my fav composer), it was different schubert, one that only pletnev can deliever...always pleasure to listen and watch...thanks for sharing.
Oh my goodness...is there a full version of this video?
+CziffraTheThird This is in a Russian archive somewhere
ADGO find it, and spread it out. You must.
I've been searching like mad for it but I haven't found anything.
@@AndreiAnghelLiszt This is the full version, you're welcome
th-cam.com/video/E7fqRqPH7kA/w-d-xo.html
@@ingoodmusic That's the full version of what must have been aired on TV (with other players performing as well) but it still does not contain Pletnev's full performance of this piece.
Михаил Плетнев это уникальный блестящий пианист
Филигранная техника!
BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO!!!!!!
What does he say in the intro?
Yeah He said that score of this fantasy was given to Pletnev by Flier on their last lesson. And that Flier said it would be good if Pletnev will learn it. So it was kind of last will
+Дарья Гончарова Flier is Glier
@@ДарьяГончарова-н6т Well it's a real shame he never studio recorded it... :(
@@Kat-vl3xz I can assure you that Yakov Flier and Reinhold Glier were two distinct persons--even if you've never seen the two in the same place at the same time. For that matter, Reinhold Glier died the year before M. Pletnev was born, a circumstance that would have made the former's tutelage of the latter a bit difficult.
3:40 -- the fall familiar theme of the Spanish Rhapsody also makes an appearance.
wow, can someone tell me, are there lots of pianists alive capable of such a feat?
buulu poulou maybe a few hundred
Virtuosi such as Argerich, Pollini, Pace, Powell, and Hamelin (not to mention the aged Pletnev).
@@vnwa7390 I wouldn't be so sure on that. Don't get me wrong Argerich and Pollini are superhumans and I would make a pact with the devil to be able to play the Schumann toccata and Chopin etudes at ⅒ of their level. But this piece is on a different level. Every bit of this is as hard as a random passage picked from the Schumann toccata if not even harder and this lasts 3 or 4 times more. So I would say that only pianist that have played pieces at this level can play this: Hamelin (hid Don Juan is is nearly perfect, and his triple etude over Chopin is crazy), John Ogdon (frabtasie de bravoure sue la clochette and Sorjabij), Katsaris (he recorded all of the Beethoven symphonies improvising on top of them making them harder and delivered some of the best recordings in the classical piano world, is there anything he can't do?), Kim (he played the clochette fantasy when he was 20), William Wolfram (his Lucrezia Borgia is a beast), Goran Filipec (he has the best rendition of the 1838 etudes and he is one of the best Liszt interpreters)ecc.
@@Bohh574 oh my god I haven’t found a comment I agree more on
Volodos?
Evoking memories of young Horowitz. A pianist like this comes along once in a lifetime.
Horowitz wasn't very technical
Why do people get erect over Horowitz
@@herobrine1847can’t tell you either
Amazing!!!
Потрясающе!
I love it~
@@샤를-발랑탱-알캉 그럴거야
Браво, браво, браво!!!
Hahaha! Diaboliquement fou, et pas même une goutte de sueur!
👏 🌹 👏 🌹 👏 🌹 👏 🌹 👏 🌹
Брависсимо!!!!!!!
Bravo super
Was there anything that Franz couldn't play...
What do you mean
Basketball. He died 5 years before it became a thing.
Who said Liszt could play all of his own works?
@@thenotsookayguy😂😂😂😂😂
Off the map!
Thank you
One of the finest.
WTF?????
Are you human?....
Does anyone know if there is a commercial recording of this piece by any pianist?
Danny B. apparently Leslie Howard has recorded it. There used to be a YT video which had increased the speed of that recording by 150% because it was so disappointingly slow. I can't find it now though. After Pletnev it's sure to be a bit of a let down.
Yeah, I forgot that he had a project where he recorded absolutely all of Liszt's piano output. And yes, I can imagine it will be a great letdown. I will content myself then with this excerpt for the time being.
There's another fantastic version now on youtube too!
@@cziffrathegreat666 Which one?
@@Daniel_Ilyich th-cam.com/video/9eG6vug8qYI/w-d-xo.html
Recording by a conservatory student.
Marvellous. However it's not a commercial recording ...
Epic af
스페인어예요?
I love Pletnev very much and consider Liszt a great composer. But in this opus Pletnev, following Liszt, seems to be carried away into outer vacuum, from where I can see the shining virtuosity of both the piece and the performer, but my heart does not hear the soul of this music.
You described the feeling so well! Exactly
Is the audience on valium? They should have been on their feet shouting before the last chord faded. 🙄
! ! !
wow 👍
Human??
Не просто человек, Русский человек.
Will a complete video ever surface?
Of this specific performance? This is the full video.
Очень крутая кластерная техника.
There’s a recording of this piece on TH-cam by Andrei Korobeinikov but it doesn’t sound like this piece.
I believe this is the last few segments of the Spanish Fantasy. A lot of people who have recorded it failed to keep up with tempo and accuracy. I’ll check him out!
Preludio Thanks! Now that you pointed out what section of the piece this is, it does seem to be the same work. I just didn't notice the hand over hand scales that start at about 1:46 in the Korobeinikov rendition. Also, Pletnev's tempo is noticeably faster.
Danny B. In Mendes’ midi which is supposedly the original one, it doesn’t have the weird scale Pletnev introduces. I think those scales he added himself because yes I didn’t hear it in any other.
Interesting
If you compare Pletnev at 2:30 with Andrei's counterpart at 14:00, you'll hear the difference. But Pletnev is hors concours, Andrei delivers a very fine performance as well !
Have we tracked down the full version yet? 😎
Or do I have to sit down and learn this mofo myself?
50 sviatozlav says you will need to embellish the text to increase the challenge for yo bad self
while cheating in da truest sects 8)
@@MichaelKaykov Would you happen to have finished learning it since? :D
@@AndreiAnghelLiszt I did not even attempt this beast!
Does the complete video exist?
Is bro gonna sing☠️
Sher shade
Какая техника!!! Великолепно!!!
Dang!
Is this grosse konzert-fantaise uber spanische weisen?
Yes
Yup
Мне одному кажется, что в этой версии исполнения в конце совсем другие ноты? Совсем другая концовка. Я удивлён...
Yeah, he cuts out a bunch of stuff.
It’s pretty horrible
Ma perché solo gli ultimi minuti della Fantasia su temi spagnoli? Il testo completo è pubblicato da anni!..
하이라이트 부분약간틀렸다
잼민아 니가 이거 직접쳐봐
이거 연주 시도한 피아니스트가 세계에서 몇 안되는데 틀렸다고 트집잡는 사람이 있네 ㅋㅋㅋ 같은 한국인으로써 쪽팔리니까 댓 내려라
@@korea1006 니가 먼데 내려라 명령질인데
그리고 너는 네가 잼민인줄모르면서 나불대냐
그리고 초면에 반말쓰지마라 학교에서 안배웠냐? 그리고 솔직히 스페인 대 환상곡 열심히 연습만 하면 누구나 다할수있음
@@일론머스크-s2z 말하는 뻔세가 잼민인데 ㅋㅋㅋ
스페인환상곡이 무슨곡인지는 알고 나불대냐? 연습만 열심히하면 할 수 있다면 피아니스트분들이 앨범을 왜 안내겠냐?
제발 잘 모르면 지껄이지좀 마세요
@@korea1006 잼민이가 잼이라고하는건 처음이네ㅋㅋ 그리고 유튜브에 쳐보면 일반인들이 치는 영상 얼마나많은데 너는 눈깔없냐?
그리고 스페인 대 환상곡 니보다 내가잘아라
모르면서 나불대지 마세요
@@일론머스크-s2z 자 여기서 수준차이 딱 나오죠?
유튜브에서 일반인들이 치는건 스페인 대환상곡이 아닌 대연습곡임 ㅋㅋ
Fantasy -> 환상곡
Rhapsody->연습곡
즉 너가 우기는 그 일반인들이 치는 영상들은 스페인환상곡을 의한 연습곡임(물론 그거도 많은 연습이 필요함)
진짜 나보다 더 잘 안다고? 잘 알지도 못하면서 깝치니까 잼민이 소리듣는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ
Молодой Плетнёв чесал дай Боже, но насколько же тупо и пусто это "творение" Листа ((заслуженно) забытое и никем не исполняемое, как заметил сам Плетнев). Звучит как "пародия на Листа" ))
Pletnevs performance of this piece seems to be horrible, but there’s pianists like yi huang Chung who manage to reveal the true brilliance of the Spanish fantasy