Well done, Tony. I wish this video was around 30 years ago. How many classic cars were crushed because they couldn’t sell because of a title issue? A lot.
May not of been this vidio 30 yrs ago but if you have an old hot rod/cars magazine from 30 yrs ago check those little classified adds in the back it was in there
SOB, I was just getting ready to buy an 1985 Chevy Custom Deluxe 10 Stepside with a SBC 350 with a lost title and I was just going through this video again because I just watched it last year and I thought about it because of the lost title. Looked for the video, rewatched it just now and then.......... I read the comments! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 Thanks Vermont! (Sarcasm) kicking rocks now!🤯💩💩💩💩💩💩🤯😡🤬
Well, now I want to seek more information. The video is a year old. The comment that it has been closed is six months old. But I would like to believe that Tony would have taken down this video, had it been closed. No offense, but I do not know the person who is stating that the loophole is closed.
Hey this is rich I heard today on news feed that Vermont loop hole has been shut down because people were using it to commit crime. What other states have a open loop on registration 7/9/23
Man, I sure did get something out of this video! It's called "Golden information". Thank you so much for this help. I think my car that needs legal paperwork, will soon be a "Vermont resident".
The gmv is the Segway for robbing us of our constitutional and civil rights with threats by police with guns on the side of the road and anywhere else they can ask for it the driver's license as an ID. Driving is a privilege because driving is a commercial Act but traveling is not and all motorized vehicles that are not used to conduct Commerce or actually household appliances because they're for the purpose of visiting our friends and family and gaining sustenance. 'Driving' was created for transported cattle which is regulated and that was sleuth fully imposed and applied to all motorized automobiles and because of Highways and interstates.... so the act of traveling diminished and that's where the paperwork started. Realistically it should only take a bill of sale as proof of ownership and a liability policy for Americans to have an automobile or classic car or whatever.... because without creating a victim there's no reason for jurisdiction or law to come in our lives and especially for generating Commerce. What goes along with the driver's license is a waiver of Rights and a contractual agreement based on the cliche: " driving is a privilege" which so many people just accept without really thinking about it. If we buy a car or whatever and we title it it's a beautiful title everything is about the state and our names are just typed in there and technically our name should be on the top so Florida as an example has stolen every car from people buy a bait and switch and the fact that they paid for it on record is in acceptance and that's why cops are destroying people because of a registration or a piece of plastic license or a plate that wasn't changed over even if they have liability insurance which is the frontman to screw us all and Deliver us to tyranny. Why should an American that's lived here their whole life before Stu get rid of their car because they can't have it in the yard without a plate or if they have been on record why should they keep have to renewing things because they don't guarantee the economy and administrative services are all inadequate as well as being open 925 which is our work hours... so the whole circumstance is harassment based on distrust Allowed by the stupid contract because everybody doesn't want to think for themselves. .... how many people have lost their muscle car because of a pot seed or a roach? That's a whole other subject but those cops make money and they're driving other people's cars now. It's a lot but I'm glad that this subject is being talked about with the titling because this is how they're screwing people and taking our rights away all through this paperwork. If I make money through my work and I buy something from somebody else why shouldn't I be able to just live my life without this garbage there's no reason for it. And if people are afraid that their cars going to get stolen then you put it on public record but don't let your rights get taken away! There's no valid excuse or reason for how difficult some of these circumstances with administrative tyranny are
Me, "Owner name unknown. But he died before I was born in 63, it was in friends barn when she bought farm in 75." Ohio DMV, "He must come in". Me "I just said he was dead". DMV "He's still gotta come in" Me, looking out window at graveyard across street, "I've got a shovel in my truck. Should I start digging up people who died in 63 until I find the right one?" BMV picks up phone dials... Me, leaving... I'll try this...
These loopholes have been around for a long time and can be done for several states. A long time ago I used to use a company called Olympic Title or something like that and they were in Michigan I think. It was also available from Maine as well. The car only had to be 11 years old though. The catch was you had to "Sell" them your car and pay them 150 bucks and provide a bill of sale. They would register the car in their state and then sell it back to you for the 150. You then took the registration to your local DMV and apply for title and Reg. They used to give me flak but when they would look it up they would do it. This was back before the good ole internet was big. I would buy older cars at auctions with no titles and get them this way. I think Maine would actually send you one year Tags but the registration was still in the business's name and you had to promise to switch it. Got some killer deals including a awesome 1987 Nissan Sentra with 20k. Crazy story on that one, old lady bought it and never registered it. Drove 2 years on paper plates! Then kicked the bucket and grand daughter got it and parked it for 12 years.
Guys thank you so much. You cleared up all my weird questions I’ve had researching “America’s DMV”. Now I’ll have no problem getting my Buick roadmaster back on the road
Thank you, Tony, for going into detail on this process. Lots of us knew of this and knew there were "gotcha" problems with the forms that bounced the "good but wrong box checked" application. This is value.
I’ve been using the Vermont loophole for years, I can confidently say this sole video alone is the reason they closed it. Within a week of this video being posted, they had THOUSANDS of applications come in. If you know something good like this, keep it to yourself because this is a “need to know” type of thing. Tony should know better but all he clearly cares about is views and revenue. I knew this video was going to be a problem the second I saw it. Unsubscribed.
@@clarenceclark8592 weird because I talked to the Vermont dmv and they literally told me they closed it 2 months after he made this video due to thousands of people trying to do it. Tony had everything to do with it. Believe what you want, but know you are wrong.
Just a word of additional advice to anyone thinking of this from someone who has had to obtain titles for cars more than a few times - there are things you should check BEFORE you even consider handing over cash in most states: 1)Check NICB for stolen records on your phone. This one is obvious, but you can do it quickly and online. 2)Check for LEINS! Unscrupulous sellers will attempt to sell a car as "no title" because they took out a Title Loan against it. Many states allow you to do this online now. Fun fact, if there is an outstanding lien on a car you can expect a legal battle for various reasons with the car's title. 3)Check for VIN stampings on the car. Many states require a stamped VIN in addition to door tags on older cars when an inspection is done to convert your Vermont registration to another state's title. If there is no VIN *STAMPED* on the car, walk away because you will run into a heap of red tape in many states when you attempt to title in state. And last but probably most important: Don't pay anywhere near full value for a car with no title. You are assuming all the risk, demand a price that reflects that.
I've bought cars with no title before, bought some parts for it, then used the receipts for the parts to file a mechanics lein against the owner. In my state the mechanics lein overrides any previous liens or anything. Clean clear (salvage due to inspection) title.
I did check all of that before I made the purchase just to be cautious. I had no idea what I was going to faced with simply because the registration on the vehicle had lapsed. My story is posted elsewhere. I will only say that if I had known what I was going to go through, I would have passed on my car. In fact, now that I know that the California DMV is staffed by incompetents and the state is basically a giant extortion racket, I would never have even thought about registering a classic in this place. I would have done this Vermont thing and included my brother on the title and stored it in Pennsylvania at his place.
@@getchasome6230 that's the expensive way of doing it in Florida it's over 400 dollars. Most clerks are ignorant and they won't know or don't tell you about the abandoned car claim or abandoned property claims.
I'm going to do this from now on and so will all of my gearhead friends. PA is an absolute nightmare when it comes to titles. You don't know the half of it. Rated worst in the entire country along with the horrible roads. Fun Fact: PennDot has more lawsuits against them than any other DMV in the country because of the horrible road conditions and for all the unnecessary garbage they spray on the roads during the winter. This is why you can't drive anything nice in PA.
Back in 1999 when I needed to get old title information for my 1979 Trans Am, Penn DOT was very helpful. I think it cost $5 for a title abstract and they sent me a bunch of information in a couple of days. Same with MD DMV. It was very helpful with tracking down the history of my car. I know that PA requires notarized titles. When I bought my car in PA and registered it in NY, it was easy. NYS isn't bad with titles and registrations. I swapped over three cars in 20 minutes from my mother's estate in 2017 with a trip to DMV. Walked out with new plates, registration, etc. and turned in the old plates on one trip. The classics I own had to be done by mail, but NYS DMV's Vintage Historical unit was great and even let me keep the plates on the car (which were original to the car in some cases) with a signed statement by my uncle who was the executor of my mother's estate. It was pretty smooth with the right paperwork.
@@googleusergp My cousins bought a house in Poughkeepsie about three years ago and they said they'd rather deal with NY's DMV over PennDot any day of the week. They picked up a '68 GTO for dirt cheap with no title and they said they'd never would've been able to pull that off in PA and that NY was cool about it.
@@Whats-It-To-Ya NYS would just require a VIN tracing with forms if no paperwork is available. My coworker has a 1964 GTO that he bought around 1972 in Queens, NY where he lives and maybe last registered about 1980. He never knew it, but the VIN was wrong on the paperwork all of those years. Fast forward to about two years ago and his son's ex wife and him get into it and he gets thrown off the property. She sells the car and it winds up on Ebay. It was a whole what to do for my coworker to get it back. We wound up connecting the trim tag to the Pontiac Historical Services paperwork somehow and proving the VIN was a digit off. I think he's since corrected it. The good news is the car is back in his possession and is on the way to being restored. I told my coworker to never give up on it and I'm glad he didn't. He was so upset about it, he never wanted to talk about it on business trips that we'd both go on. I kept telling him, "We'll find a way to get it back. It will turn up". Sure enough it did. I even offered to store it for free on my property for him, but he's since gotten a place to put it. As a thanks, he gave me a Craftsman and Snap On toolbox and some tools that he had at his mother's house because he has to clear it out to sell it. It was like a treasure trove of vintage stuff.
Yeah that's the truth it took me 9 months to get a reconstructed title for replacing the frame on my 86 S10. I wanted it nice and legal for when I got tired of it I could sell it with no hassles. Man if I'd known what a pain it was going to be, would have and should've scraped the damn thing!!!
As a Vermonter I can say its definitely not a scam, its true. I've actually walked into a DMV and had the person working there fill the forms out for me. The part that the seller had to fill out and sign, I just said they were outside in my car and would run out and sign it myself. They knew what I was doing and were always fine with it.
@@bensnide5846 hey man, so I'm "thinking" on buying a truck, no title of course... story is a guy bought it, never did put the title in his name and passed away. It's all legit.. I did a vin check and it's not stolen or theft recovery. My question is... since the title is in a name, he sold the truck to the deceased person.. another guy got it, it sit for 6 years and he decided to sell it, I bought it. Does it matter that the original owners name(on title) is different than the name on the bill of sell if you know? I do not live in Vermont
@@19jody72 honestly I don't want to give you any false information. I would say call the DMV in Montpelier Vermont, that's the main one and they'll set you straight. It's definitely doable I would say.
This does not work for ILLINOIS. I even had my registration from Vermont in hand with bill of sale and Vermont showing they don’t issue titles. Since I didn’t not have a title in hand the Vermont reg wasn’t good enough. I know have to do the bond title way and wait 3 years to get issued a new title for a truck I bought with no title. Just wanted to share my experience. Please check with your States DMV not local dmv. Locals don’t know anything.
UPDATE: unfortunately the Vermont Loophole is no more as of July 2023. Stinks but I think criminals were using the loophole for titling stolen vehicles
Just went through this in North Carolina with a 1950 Oldsmobile with a bad title/vin. A lot easier than I expected. Did it through my state of NC The DMV officer comes out checks out the car and gives papers to sign. Fill out paperwork which includes who you bought it from etc, your insurance company, a bond 1/2 the value of the car. DMV officer came back about 2 weeks later with a new vin plate before papers even filed. Then they checked the paperwork and ok'd it. Got new plates at the DMV when submitted the paperwork and just waiting for the new title to arrive. Total cost about $150. DMV officer very nice, visited twice and myself there once. Don't be intimidated by the process. Just an example. I know it's different in every state. Keep up the good work Tony, get these cars on the road!
I’m in nc also and trying to figure out which way to go. Vermont route or NC bond route. I bought a 1985 Jeep from a buddy. He had lost the title but it was a clear title. He had owned the Jeep 25-30 years and it just got misplaced along the ways. We were going to go to the DMV together one day and fill out all the paperwork and Then NC would just send me the new title no problem………. Well, my buddy died one night before we could get it done. He had given me a hand written bill of sale showing I paid the $500 but dmv would d not accept it and said I had to go a bonded route but I’ve never messed with that before so I just haven’t done anything yet. It’s crazy that these dmvs and it so hard to get things done and it just doesn’t need to be that way!!
Hey I am in NC as well. So you didnt do the Vermont title? You chose to do the NC Bonded title? I am wondering which I should choose for a 1971 Motorcycle I am purchasing.
I live in Washington State and I purchased a1989 Ford F 250 pickup. and the person that I bought it from had the title and I guess they lost it. but now they are jerking me around they are not answering my phone calls. and I need to get a title for it because I'm starting to experience issues with law enforcement.
Can anyone please help! So Im from New Hampshire I just got a bike private sale from Vermont bill of sale only, I had the previous owner go get a registration for the bike so I can register my bike in NH because here a previous registration and bill of sale minimum is required, come to find out it salvaged, and VT said I need to fix the whole bike and have him go with me to get the vin check and inspection done before they can furnish the paperwork for me to be able to legally register it and have it here in NH now issue I'm having is that he dropped all contact with me since then and I don't know what to do or how I can get around this mess
Thank you for this video I really think that this by far the most informative automotive channel on TH-cam! I did the NICB vin check and ran my recient purchase 1994 ford f150 4x4 it has a rebuilt title but was never issued a salvaged title. It was never stolen either which is good.
If this video doesn't get liked and shared by everyone everywhere then something is wrong. This is the most important information a low budget car guy can get. Everybody tries to tell you how to build your car. But nobody ever tells you how to be able to legally drive it. I've been too scared to buy a car without a title before because I don't have the money to waste on a car I can't drive. You've given me confidence to give it a shot. Thanks guys
Would this be possible for a Japanese import with no import paperwork but was previously registered in Arizona? Vehicle has no VIN but has a chasis number.
As of late 2023, *2024->on, VT No Longer 'Allows' Out-of-State Residents to Register (Lost Title) Vehicles...* (I will return here *IF* I am able to do so...)
This is one of the reasons I'm glad I live in Vermont in addition to the fact you can buy REAL Maple Syrup everywhere !! Now if we only had a Dragstrip in Vermont life would be perfect.
It'll never really happen but NY state is coming hard at your Maple syrup. In fact I'm nearby to the stuff that was served in the white house a while back,not sure if that status is changed.
I remember winter '70/71 going to a maple syrup shack near Stowe and they poured lines of fresh syrup out on the snow and rolled them up on popsicle sticks. Do they still do that?
My 1970 Toronado got her clean title this way. I have no idea where she came from, but it sure as hell was not Pennsylvania, where I bought her. Too much intact sheet metal!
Titles are simply another part to locate when restoring your classic car. It happens the exact same way those original rally wheels got lost. The title is lost w/time & several owners. It happens the same way your classic cars engine gets roasted by a faulty carb. The title gets burnt in a fire. It happens the same way your hood or trunk lid gets rust holes in them. A mouse or water was involved. You can buy new rally wheels from a nice seller at a swap meet & you can get titles from bureaucrats. Sadly, most DMVs don't care about classic cars & don't realize titles get lost with enough time like anything else. In my experience it's never nefarious but they treat you like a criminal, nonetheless.
Tony, cop here…if a stolen car was ever entered into NCIC (database we use to check vins, serial number of stolen items, firearms, even missing person) it SHOULD remain in NCIC forever unless recovered. When I’ve done vin verifications for people we run them via NCIC and that is satisfactory for us in PA. Also I do audits of our departments NCIC entries monthly. I can vouch for items remaining in NCIC for 30+ years (stolen gun never found or recovered for example)
NCIC does not retain a car or article indefinitely, only the gun file. Article is shorter than the car NCIC file. If I remember right, cars and articles can be extended if they're missing person/felony vehicles, but I haven't done the validations side in a few years.
We live in California, and my son just used this to title some valuable old VW that he scored really cheap due to no title. Definitely works. He was stoked!
I'm in CA. What did you do for the vin verification? If you got CHP, local PD, or DMV to do it why couldn't you go right the the CA DMV and get the title? Also, with the Vermont Title, did you have a lot of steps to go through to get the CA title?
@@jasonredwood154 If the car has been out of the system for years then no. If it still has a current record, they will have to pay those fees. California will get their money one way or the other.
Hey, this is really cool. I lived in Stowe, VT back in the early 70s, so this kind of feels right at home to me. Steve Magnante's roadside crawls are calling my name.
I'm from North Carolina bought a car from Tennessee no tittle . Research every which way to tittle the car none worked..But this video worked ...No scam at all fully legal and well worth it..( Vermont loop hole is real ) I even taught our DMV a thing or too..I was offer a job ..just bullshitin but thanks guys
Thai is OUTSTANDING!!! I've been sitting on a vehicle that I've wanted for years and years. I knew exactly where a rather rare one was and would stop by the gentleman's house from time to time asking if he was ready to get it out of the way. To my amazement, about six years ago he yes. It's been in my possession ever since that day. But without a title it's kinda hard to justify the cost of what I'm going to do to it. This solves that problem! HELL YEAH!!! Thank You SOOO much UT and friends!!!! OUT FREAKING STANDING!!!
My Vermont tags just came in the mail!! Followed these instructions, sent out the paperwork, two weeks later I've got green tags on my 73 Polara. Thanks again guys!
Awesome work! Thanks for the information. I did something similar years ago when I was living in Massachusetts. I bought a car with no title and the DMV refused to title it. So I “sold it” to my friend in New Hampshire. He was able to register it, but no title. Massachusetts would title a vehicle with a NH registration. So he “sold” it back to me.
Did NADA update their values recently? All the values for my 1961 Mercury Comet seem really high, and a 1971 Plymouth Duster is a lot higher than $1400.
Disclaimer for anyone who lives in California and wants to do this: California will give you a “non-transferable registration” when you transfer the registration from Vermont to California without a title. If you want a California title, you must provide the most recent title. In my case, the title was void because it was signed and dated incorrectly, and based off the date would have cost me a lot of late fees. I handed over that title after doing the registration and did get a California title. If I had no title, I wouldn’t have been able to get a title in California without applying for one from the car’s home state. If the car was last titled in California this part may be complicated, I’m not sure what you would need to do at that point
You could simply have it registered by a friend who is a resident of another state which then, they could send you the title and you take that title to the California DMV and transfer to your name.
Hey Griff, im in NC as well, i want to register my 71 duster project using this method, anything i need to watch out for with NCDMV registration offices? (just subbed to your channel as well)
Do you have to give Vermont proof of insurance? This is very interesting. I watch all the classic car shows and they never talk about titles or any other paperwork.
My buddy did this with a vehicle, so at the very least I know it's a thing. I love you Uncle Tony. You're the shit, and it's great watching you go from about 5,000 subs or less, to almost 300k. The world needs more dudes like you.
I went through international title service. I later found out that that service went through vermont. I sent it into them for an old chevelle. It took 2 years to get the paperwork back so I could get a title in my state. I thought that was a little bit long of time to wait😮
THANK YOU Guys SO Much!! Hopefully, nobody will screw this up for us all. Thank you Vermont as well! Poor ppl like us, cannot AFFORD to purchase vehicles like the "sheep" of the U.S.. I'm like UncTony, but I do NOTHING Legally. Tennessean, and I rule CopperHead Rd.
It's unlikely to get cancelled. Basically, back before the internet he states were not wanting to deal with the possible legal issues in retitling vehicle's you couldn't get information on. But every state had a Need for a retitling service for it's citizens that do things legally but on the cheap. Vt stepped forward and said hey if we can make some fee revenue off this deal we got the balls to do it for all the states and save you the risk. America said sweet thanks vermont. Then shady used car salesman started spreading rumors because you know more cars for them if people ain't heard of this or think it's sketchy
@@superpossum78 so you think that other states want Vermont to register unregisterable cars, more than those states want to collect revenue for selling registrations? I don’t think you understand why they register cars
@@atozbikes I'm not sure you understand who is using this service. Car thieves don't target 15 yo vehicle's. This is mostly a help to guys who want a title on A car where the previous owner has died or someone lost the paperwork and left grandpa's old truck in a barn but now they'd like to sell it rather than scrap it. The cars aren't illegal they're just missing papers.
You guys did a really good job informing us on the Vermont special. I was aware of it but not close to what you guys shared. Now I can buy my dr350 dual sport baby. Thank You
Thanks for this video Tony! My father in law just did this with a Triumph he owned, and I was going to make a video on it myself. Great explainer for everyone!
did you ever get an answer to this? I just searched all the comments and I didn't see anyone ask this. he did at one time say they have 2 fees. but where does the other $54 come from...?
Excellent, detailed, extremely informative, simple and very understandable. Great job. I went through this exact process when I bought my sisters 79 450SL Merceds. Presented to my current home state and then was able to transfer the VT registration to my state for a new title, registration, tags and plates. My Mercedes 450SL did have VT plates and registration but to title, all documents were under my sister’s name. It was a straight process. Great job gentleman! Now if I could only find my high school 1968 Malibu SS 396 or the VIN. Keep these videos coming. 👍🏻😎🙏🏻✝️🇺🇸🙏🏻✝️🇺🇸🙏🏻✝️🇺🇸👍🏻😎🚓🏎
Pretty amazing two kids just walk in and say "Hey ya know bout this Vermont title thing right?" And Uncle Tony says "What? Nah I don't but I'll pay ya each a dub and put ya on my video if this crap is legit!" Well I guess it turned out legit eh? Vermont just found a way to get some extra revenue! I have a 07 Subaru Forrester and my old roommate never gave me the title! I found some old Registration, and was able to pull a "Hat Trick" at the courthouse, but my issues with low IQ and such made me put the newly acquired title inside the middle of a magazine I tucked behind the seat. The Subaru got stolen 2 weeks later and now cannot find that same old registration I had used to acquire title. So I've gotta try this one out!!! 07 Forrester W/ NO title = about $500 value. Forrester Is worth considerably more with the title because of the upgrades!
Just tried to do this with my 95 toyota pickup 2wd. they sent it back highlighting that i fill out the trucks portion(weight of truck. weight of truck loaded. type of brakes. and # of axles). it was registered in california before and they make you register trucks as commercial verhicles. Could be why. Registration cost are the exact same. just have to fill out the highlighted section and return. ill update when i finally get it approved. Update#1: Received my plates and registration is coming in soon. will update when i get registration. then will update when i have nevada title.
Thank you so much guys!! I've heard of this, but was never sure of how to go about it. I just got a 70 chevelle that has been sitting since the late 70s, early 80s, and with no title anywhere. This is going to save me so much time over getting a bonded title here in Iowa
Question: If you buy an old car from someone with no title or paperwork of any kind and it hadn't been registered for a long time, how would you or the Vermont DMV know if it had a salvage title?
Great video Tony! I’m a younger guy and during covid I restored a 71 Honda Sl350 barnfind. I did hours of research to figure out and use this loophole for that bike and it worked! This video sums all that up in 20 minutes!
Did you have to do a Vin Verification on a bike that old? I didn't think you have to the the vin Verify on bikes unless they were over 500cc. Can you expand on what you did for your sl350 please?
This loophole closed unfortunately but there is still a few options dealing with this. The previous owner has the ability to file for a lost title, if you trust them to do so. Also if you know someone with a junkyard they can get a title.
18:50 thank you to Vermont for leaving this "open" like said in the video, there's alot of old car guys in a jamb that don't have a title and it's not stolen. So thanks for having a little trust in the people who are just trying to make thier life more enjoyable. I've got an old motorcycle without a title, I'm definitely gonna get one now!
@@gcaprice406 well give credit where it's due. If they're smart enough to give plates to a person who is going to produce the vin then they obviously know the person is getting honest and if they're not well then by all means come collect the car geez at least they found the stolen car. Hahaha
Almost needed this a few months ago, on OUR OWN JEEP we let sit for 13 years, since '08. And likely will use it soon on something else. Thanks guys. Very useful info!
Question for you, since it was 15 years old, did they issue you a title from Vermont? I'm looking into doing this with a jet ski that's from 09. Thanks in advance.
if you lose a title to your vehicle you can do to the dmv and file for lost title. As long as it is in the same name they will issue you a new one with a small fee
This is a great alternative for people who are stuck and need another option. Personally, I would walk on anything that doesn't have a title. I have heard of too many horror stories of cars coming back as stolen or contested by previous parties. Nice to know about this option though. Nice job gang
I have a 1950 Pontiac that's been sitting since 59 and I have absolutely no paperwork but I couldn't keep myself from working on it anyway you guys just saved me a ton! VA DMV is so hard to deal with
See if they have that rule that if a vehicle has been left on your property for more then three years you automatically own it get the ownership might not work in America but ours laws are mostly the same
Actually, a legit recycler/junkyard MUST provide a VIN with any part purchase, per federal law. I just redid my MO state inspector license, and they were very specific about this. That said, if a car is in the junkyard, in (MO/IL for sure) it is currently titled as "JUNK" and it is almost impossible to re-title as anything else. Just FYI
If the car has been in the yard for a long time I doubt they will find that status. Also, does Vermont check all 50 states to find the previous title? Even though the new owner is from TN that doesn't mean the car wasn't form CA.
Even that depends on the yard. A modern yard, sure. A place that's been in business since the 50s and has cars out back that have been off the road since then? You're fine.
The State has an obligation to make sure it is not issuing a void title. When a title is asked for, the state actor must not issue a title without first verifying that the hand that is presenting the paperwork, to let the state actor examine it, is the hand of a "person" (a 14th amendment "citizen"). Such a "person" is defined as "one that is sworn in as an office holder". How does a "person" happen, you ask. There's a specific oath. An official oath only comes about, and can only be be validated, if it in writing, properly sworn to, and filed in the proper way, at the proper place and at a specific time, prior to handing the state actor the paperwork, spoke about hereinabove. Moreover, the timely proper oath, had to be autographed before a "official". That particular official must be an officer that is not misrepresenting that they are a government official, i.e. notary public. How did things get so distorted? Some of us didn't pay close attention to detail, when we were first offered the opportunity to view the movie "The wizard of OZ". If you don't get it, keep looking!
I live in Indiana, and it used to be super easy to get a title for an old car: Fill out a few forms (similar to the ones in this video), have a cop check the VIN (cost $5 to have them come to your house), done. Sometime in the last ten years, they changed this process: Now you have to trailer the car to some specific location on a _single specific day_ of the month at a specific time (between 1-3pm, if I recall) for _one specific person_ to look at the car and verify the VIN. It's ridiculous (and basically impossible if you have a job and/or don't own trailer). This method was looking promising to get around this nonsense until the NADA value part. I bought an old shell car for $500. Looked up the NADA value and it's $7,000! That means I'd be paying basically the same price in taxes as I paid for the car. Seems like values should be based on the condition of the car and not just the model. This video is still good info to have, though.
@@bradleynelson5915 - That's nuts. I'm guessing on these older cars, the only thing they have to go on for value is the occasional collectors' auction where a fully restored or heavily modified vehicle is sold for a crazy high price. I'm tempted to just put the value I paid as the NADA value and enclose a picture of the car as the proof of value so they can see it's obviously just a rusty gutted piece of metal and not a multi-thousand dollar vehicle. (After all, Blue Book values don't apply to an inoperable car, so why would the NADA values?) Worst case scenario, Vermont rejects the forms and I wasted twenty minutes of my time filling them out and 40¢ on the stamp to send them.
@@bradleynelson5915 ... doesn't have to be NADA. Could be any of the others like Kelly Blue Book or Edmonds. Some insurance companies also have value listings (Haggerty, JC Taylor, etc) for antique vehicles. I suspect most any printed version of similar vehicle might be accepted for comparison. You might also print out the value for a 2 door Plymouth or Dodge of the same year because a RR is basically a trim level.
Trying to figure out what to do for my buddy with his 68 Mercedes he got for free. It came from Tennessee 40 years ago during thet blizzard in the 70s. Owner cracked the block cause they used water as coolant. Buddies neighbor bought it and owned it ever since without a title I guess I don't know how he registered it after putting another motor in it. Debating doing the Vermont title path indiana is such a headache I've never tried this. Any vehicles without a title I avoid no matter how much I wanted them.
I bought my 97 mustang GT for $500 no title... No worries. For $75 I went through a bond agent. It had a lien from a title pawn outfit.. I claimed it as abandoned, charged $45 per day storage for a year which came to well over 13K. The title pawn forfieted the lien and I had a legal title in 6 weeks. That was 3 years ago and she's been my daily since then. $500 mustang. 😁
Does anyone know if this works with a vehicle over 25 yrs old that was legally imported from another country? And was never registered or titled in America?
I just did this to title my 2000 VW New Beetle! I now have Vermont plates on my car!! Got it via Bill of Sale only and now have the vermont plates. They only give 1 license plate sticker, and it goes on the bottom right of the rear license plate. Keep in mind that if you do not have a vermont vehicle inspection on the car, it is technically not legally licensed for driving in Vermont with those tags, so keep in mind that you need to get a vermont state inspection the instant you start driving the car in/through vermont if you use this process and actually use the Vermont license plates.
Well done, Tony. I wish this video was around 30 years ago. How many classic cars were crushed because they couldn’t sell because of a title issue? A lot.
May not of been this vidio 30 yrs ago but if you have an old hot rod/cars magazine from 30 yrs ago check those little classified adds in the back it was in there
*"T O N S !¡!"*
I could of bought a 65 mustang in great shape for 1500 bucks but no title
For real ...... So many cars are rare now because people didn't know about this then.
Nowadays all but the seediest scrapyards won’t take a whole car for scrap without a title.
As much as it breaks my heart to say it but Vermont has officially closed this loophole!!! 😭😭😭 This saved sooooo many classics from an I'll fated end
Sh*t!! Well, looks like my antique motorcycle gets sold for scrap. What a waste. This country is run by a buncha cross eyed rich dummies.
You can still get a court ordered title in most states. It's not to bad. But ya it does suck that they closed this.
@brandenjones716 good 2 know. I was gonna do this with my old bimmer 😢
SOB, I was just getting ready to buy an 1985 Chevy Custom Deluxe 10 Stepside with a SBC 350 with a lost title and I was just going through this video again because I just watched it last year and I thought about it because of the lost title. Looked for the video, rewatched it just now and then.......... I read the comments! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Thanks Vermont! (Sarcasm) kicking rocks now!🤯💩💩💩💩💩💩🤯😡🤬
Well, now I want to seek more information. The video is a year old. The comment that it has been closed is six months old. But I would like to believe that Tony would have taken down this video, had it been closed. No offense, but I do not know the person who is stating that the loophole is closed.
Hey this is rich I heard today on news feed that Vermont loop hole has been shut down because people were using it to commit crime. What other states have a open loop on registration 7/9/23
Man, I sure did get something out of this video! It's called "Golden information". Thank you so much for this help. I think my car that needs legal paperwork, will soon be a "Vermont resident".
I just tried this with the #holeygoat. I used two brothers title to fill out the forms for me, worth the $175 for the peace of mind I think!
You have a contact for them?
Who filled out the forms for you? I need the same help I believe, please
This is cool! I can't count how many trucks I passed up because of a title issue. And yeah I'm with you Tony the DMV can pound sand.
HALLELUJAH!!!!!
The gmv is the Segway for robbing us of our constitutional and civil rights with threats by police with guns on the side of the road and anywhere else they can ask for it the driver's license as an ID.
Driving is a privilege because driving is a commercial Act but traveling is not and all motorized vehicles that are not used to conduct Commerce or actually household appliances because they're for the purpose of visiting our friends and family and gaining sustenance.
'Driving' was created for transported cattle which is regulated and that was sleuth fully imposed and applied to all motorized automobiles and because of Highways and interstates.... so the act of traveling diminished and that's where the paperwork started.
Realistically it should only take a bill of sale as proof of ownership and a liability policy for Americans to have an automobile or classic car or whatever.... because without creating a victim there's no reason for jurisdiction or law to come in our lives and especially for generating Commerce.
What goes along with the driver's license is a waiver of Rights and a contractual agreement based on the cliche:
" driving is a privilege" which so many people just accept without really thinking about it.
If we buy a car or whatever and we title it it's a beautiful title everything is about the state and our names are just typed in there and technically our name should be on the top so Florida as an example has stolen every car from people buy a bait and switch and the fact that they paid for it on record is in acceptance and that's why cops are destroying people because of a registration or a piece of plastic license or a plate that wasn't changed over even if they have liability insurance which is the frontman to screw us all and Deliver us to tyranny.
Why should an American that's lived here their whole life before Stu get rid of their car because they can't have it in the yard without a plate or if they have been on record why should they keep have to renewing things because they don't guarantee the economy and administrative services are all inadequate as well as being open 925 which is our work hours... so the whole circumstance is harassment based on distrust Allowed by the stupid contract because everybody doesn't want to think for themselves.
.... how many people have lost their muscle car because of a pot seed or a roach?
That's a whole other subject but those cops make money and they're driving other people's cars now.
It's a lot but I'm glad that this subject is being talked about with the titling because this is how they're screwing people and taking our rights away all through this paperwork.
If I make money through my work and I buy something from somebody else why shouldn't I be able to just live my life without this garbage there's no reason for it.
And if people are afraid that their cars going to get stolen then you put it on public record but don't let your rights get taken away!
There's no valid excuse or reason for how difficult some of these circumstances with administrative tyranny are
Me, "Owner name unknown. But he died before I was born in 63, it was in friends barn when she bought farm in 75." Ohio DMV, "He must come in". Me "I just said he was dead". DMV "He's still gotta come in" Me, looking out window at graveyard across street, "I've got a shovel in my truck. Should I start digging up people who died in 63 until I find the right one?" BMV picks up phone dials... Me, leaving...
I'll try this...
Ain't bureaucracy a beautiful thing? 😆 It sounds like a qualification for the job is a negative I.Q.
These loopholes have been around for a long time and can be done for several states. A long time ago I used to use a company called Olympic Title or something like that and they were in Michigan I think. It was also available from Maine as well. The car only had to be 11 years old though. The catch was you had to "Sell" them your car and pay them 150 bucks and provide a bill of sale. They would register the car in their state and then sell it back to you for the 150. You then took the registration to your local DMV and apply for title and Reg. They used to give me flak but when they would look it up they would do it. This was back before the good ole internet was big. I would buy older cars at auctions with no titles and get them this way. I think Maine would actually send you one year Tags but the registration was still in the business's name and you had to promise to switch it. Got some killer deals including a awesome 1987 Nissan Sentra with 20k. Crazy story on that one, old lady bought it and never registered it. Drove 2 years on paper plates! Then kicked the bucket and grand daughter got it and parked it for 12 years.
Sucks the truck I bought has a salvage title.. so this won’t work I guess
@@Wretched2JZ Dirtlegal can get a salvage car a license plate and registered from some other state
@@FollowYahushaThanks for the info
Now that the loophole closed, do we have any alternatives that have developed?
Just don't actually come to Vermont. We have vehicle inspections here, and more likely than not your car won't pass.
In the vintage two stroke motorcycle community it’s well known to go to Vermont to license an off road bike .
May just be the fix for the '87 IT250 my neighbor gave me years ago.
It was in the shed when she bought the place.
@@goratgo1970 absolutely. If I can put electric start on my 77 Husqvarna 390 I would ride it
Guys thank you so much. You cleared up all my weird questions I’ve had researching “America’s DMV”. Now I’ll have no problem getting my Buick roadmaster back on the road
Thank you, Tony, for going into detail on this process. Lots of us knew of this and knew there were "gotcha" problems with the forms that bounced the "good but wrong box checked" application. This is value.
I’ve been using the Vermont loophole for years, I can confidently say this sole video alone is the reason they closed it. Within a week of this video being posted, they had THOUSANDS of applications come in. If you know something good like this, keep it to yourself because this is a “need to know” type of thing. Tony should know better but all he clearly cares about is views and revenue. I knew this video was going to be a problem the second I saw it. Unsubscribed.
Wow. Other avenues to title not stolen vehicles with lost titles.
Yep, phuck these guys. Someone always has to run their mouth and ruin things.
Dude this loophole was in the process of being repealed long before this video dropped not to mention it’s far from a secret
Tony contributed 0.00% to that loop hole being closed everyone knows that and that it’s not the only way to legally get a title for vehicle
@@clarenceclark8592 weird because I talked to the Vermont dmv and they literally told me they closed it 2 months after he made this video due to thousands of people trying to do it. Tony had everything to do with it. Believe what you want, but know you are wrong.
Fact is you don't need a License, Registration or Insurance to take your property from A to B. Live by Common Law
Just a word of additional advice to anyone thinking of this from someone who has had to obtain titles for cars more than a few times - there are things you should check BEFORE you even consider handing over cash in most states:
1)Check NICB for stolen records on your phone. This one is obvious, but you can do it quickly and online.
2)Check for LEINS! Unscrupulous sellers will attempt to sell a car as "no title" because they took out a Title Loan against it. Many states allow you to do this online now. Fun fact, if there is an outstanding lien on a car you can expect a legal battle for various reasons with the car's title.
3)Check for VIN stampings on the car. Many states require a stamped VIN in addition to door tags on older cars when an inspection is done to convert your Vermont registration to another state's title. If there is no VIN *STAMPED* on the car, walk away because you will run into a heap of red tape in many states when you attempt to title in state.
And last but probably most important:
Don't pay anywhere near full value for a car with no title. You are assuming all the risk, demand a price that reflects that.
I've bought cars with no title before, bought some parts for it, then used the receipts for the parts to file a mechanics lein against the owner. In my state the mechanics lein overrides any previous liens or anything. Clean clear (salvage due to inspection) title.
NICB is useless for a non 17 digit VIN
I did check all of that before I made the purchase just to be cautious. I had no idea what I was going to faced with simply because the registration on the vehicle had lapsed. My story is posted elsewhere. I will only say that if I had known what I was going to go through, I would have passed on my car. In fact, now that I know that the California DMV is staffed by incompetents and the state is basically a giant extortion racket, I would never have even thought about registering a classic in this place. I would have done this Vermont thing and included my brother on the title and stored it in Pennsylvania at his place.
@@getchasome6230 that's the expensive way of doing it in Florida it's over 400 dollars.
Most clerks are ignorant and they won't know or don't tell you about the abandoned car claim or abandoned property claims.
@@artsomniacv-logcitybydanie1249 I'd pay $400 if it meant I'd have a good title
09-07-23 just successfully used the Vermont loophole for my motorcycle. Still works 👍 thank you guys
You must have started the process before June 26, 2023... the law was officially signed and in effect on that date that closed this loophole.
@@patrickwhitfield8280 no, forms and paperwork were all sent September 5th 🤷♂️ I had no issues at all. Did the DMV not get the memo? 😂
@TheJman267 where did you get the documents from?
Swear!! I bought a bike (9-14-23)clean vin verified with dmv, thought I could do this but seen I couldn't didn't even try it
Which bike ? Ive read on reddit and a few other places there still letting 50cc mopeds get them . @TheJman267
That is no longer possible as of June this year
Damn Vermont removed some of the most logical and common sense laws out there. Rip
I'm going to do this from now on and so will all of my gearhead friends. PA is an absolute nightmare when it comes to titles. You don't know the half of it. Rated worst in the entire country along with the horrible roads. Fun Fact: PennDot has more lawsuits against them than any other DMV in the country because of the horrible road conditions and for all the unnecessary garbage they spray on the roads during the winter. This is why you can't drive anything nice in PA.
Back in 1999 when I needed to get old title information for my 1979 Trans Am, Penn DOT was very helpful. I think it cost $5 for a title abstract and they sent me a bunch of information in a couple of days. Same with MD DMV. It was very helpful with tracking down the history of my car. I know that PA requires notarized titles. When I bought my car in PA and registered it in NY, it was easy. NYS isn't bad with titles and registrations. I swapped over three cars in 20 minutes from my mother's estate in 2017 with a trip to DMV. Walked out with new plates, registration, etc. and turned in the old plates on one trip. The classics I own had to be done by mail, but NYS DMV's Vintage Historical unit was great and even let me keep the plates on the car (which were original to the car in some cases) with a signed statement by my uncle who was the executor of my mother's estate. It was pretty smooth with the right paperwork.
@@googleusergp My cousins bought a house in Poughkeepsie about three years ago and they said they'd rather deal with NY's DMV over PennDot any day of the week. They picked up a '68 GTO for dirt cheap with no title and they said they'd never would've been able to pull that off in PA and that NY was cool about it.
@@Whats-It-To-Ya NYS would just require a VIN tracing with forms if no paperwork is available. My coworker has a 1964 GTO that he bought around 1972 in Queens, NY where he lives and maybe last registered about 1980. He never knew it, but the VIN was wrong on the paperwork all of those years. Fast forward to about two years ago and his son's ex wife and him get into it and he gets thrown off the property. She sells the car and it winds up on Ebay. It was a whole what to do for my coworker to get it back. We wound up connecting the trim tag to the Pontiac Historical Services paperwork somehow and proving the VIN was a digit off. I think he's since corrected it. The good news is the car is back in his possession and is on the way to being restored. I told my coworker to never give up on it and I'm glad he didn't. He was so upset about it, he never wanted to talk about it on business trips that we'd both go on. I kept telling him, "We'll find a way to get it back. It will turn up". Sure enough it did.
I even offered to store it for free on my property for him, but he's since gotten a place to put it. As a thanks, he gave me a Craftsman and Snap On toolbox and some tools that he had at his mother's house because he has to clear it out to sell it. It was like a treasure trove of vintage stuff.
I live in Pennsylvania as well, and I concur.
Yeah that's the truth it took me 9 months to get a reconstructed title for replacing the frame on my 86 S10. I wanted it nice and legal for when I got tired of it I could sell it with no hassles. Man if I'd known what a pain it was going to be, would have and should've scraped the damn thing!!!
As a Vermonter I can say its definitely not a scam, its true. I've actually walked into a DMV and had the person working there fill the forms out for me. The part that the seller had to fill out and sign, I just said they were outside in my car and would run out and sign it myself. They knew what I was doing and were always fine with it.
Got a question for you if you don't mind....
@@19jody72 me? What's up
@@bensnide5846 hey man, so I'm "thinking" on buying a truck, no title of course... story is a guy bought it, never did put the title in his name and passed away. It's all legit.. I did a vin check and it's not stolen or theft recovery. My question is... since the title is in a name, he sold the truck to the deceased person.. another guy got it, it sit for 6 years and he decided to sell it, I bought it. Does it matter that the original owners name(on title) is different than the name on the bill of sell if you know?
I do not live in Vermont
@@19jody72 honestly I don't want to give you any false information. I would say call the DMV in Montpelier Vermont, that's the main one and they'll set you straight. It's definitely doable I would say.
@@bensnide5846 Thanks man..Ill give them a call Monday
We now need to find a new way because Vermont just recently put s stop to it.
Unfortunately this is no longer true.
This does not work for ILLINOIS. I even had my registration from Vermont in hand with bill of sale and Vermont showing they don’t issue titles. Since I didn’t not have a title in hand the Vermont reg wasn’t good enough. I know have to do the bond title way and wait 3 years to get issued a new title for a truck I bought with no title. Just wanted to share my experience. Please check with your States DMV not local dmv. Locals don’t know anything.
UPDATE: unfortunately the Vermont Loophole is no more as of July 2023. Stinks but I think criminals were using the loophole for titling stolen vehicles
Just went through this in North Carolina with a 1950 Oldsmobile with a bad title/vin. A lot easier than I expected. Did it through my state of NC The DMV officer comes out checks out the car and gives papers to sign. Fill out paperwork which includes who you bought it from etc, your insurance company, a bond 1/2 the value of the car. DMV officer came back about 2 weeks later with a new vin plate before papers even filed. Then they checked the paperwork and ok'd it. Got new plates at the DMV when submitted the paperwork and just waiting for the new title to arrive. Total cost about $150. DMV officer very nice, visited twice and myself there once. Don't be intimidated by the process. Just an example. I know it's different in every state. Keep up the good work Tony, get these cars on the road!
I'm near Asheville so HALLELUJAH!!!!
I’m in nc also and trying to figure out which way to go. Vermont route or NC bond route.
I bought a 1985 Jeep from a buddy. He had lost the title but it was a clear title. He had owned the Jeep 25-30 years and it just got misplaced along the ways. We were going to go to the DMV together one day and fill out all the paperwork and Then NC would just send me the new title no problem………. Well, my buddy died one night before we could get it done. He had given me a hand written bill of sale showing I paid the $500 but dmv would d not accept it and said I had to go a bonded route but I’ve never messed with that before so I just haven’t done anything yet. It’s crazy that these dmvs and it so hard to get things done and it just doesn’t need to be that way!!
@@1982MCI Are you friends with his next of kin? or executor of his will? If they cooperate, you should be okay.
@@alan6832 no, have no idea who any of those folks were or how to even get in touch with them. I don’t believe he had a will either
Hey I am in NC as well. So you didnt do the Vermont title? You chose to do the NC Bonded title? I am wondering which I should choose for a 1971 Motorcycle I am purchasing.
Isn’t it interesting how Austin came to the shop as a stranger and now he’s giving legit (legal) advice 👍👍
Unofficially
Because of the others being a bunch of Joe Biden loving gun banning clowns. He clearly stands out.
@@wildestcowboy2668 the others as in who ? Nobody on that channel that I can see sides with the left .
That's out of date and nolonger valid
I live in
Washington State and I purchased a1989 Ford F 250 pickup. and the person that I bought it from had the title and I guess they lost it. but now they are jerking me around they are not answering my phone calls. and I need to get a title for it because I'm starting to experience issues with law enforcement.
Can anyone please help! So Im from New Hampshire I just got a bike private sale from Vermont bill of sale only, I had the previous owner go get a registration for the bike so I can register my bike in NH because here a previous registration and bill of sale minimum is required, come to find out it salvaged, and VT said I need to fix the whole bike and have him go with me to get the vin check and inspection done before they can furnish the paperwork for me to be able to legally register it and have it here in NH now issue I'm having is that he dropped all contact with me since then and I don't know what to do or how I can get around this mess
Thank you for this video I really think that this by far the most informative automotive channel on TH-cam! I did the NICB vin check and ran my recient purchase 1994 ford f150 4x4 it has a rebuilt title but was never issued a salvaged title. It was never stolen either which is good.
If this video doesn't get liked and shared by everyone everywhere then something is wrong. This is the most important information a low budget car guy can get. Everybody tries to tell you how to build your car. But nobody ever tells you how to be able to legally drive it. I've been too scared to buy a car without a title before because I don't have the money to waste on a car I can't drive. You've given me confidence to give it a shot. Thanks guys
Same here
It appears that Cousin Austin and his partners haven't fully embraced Uncle Tony's outlaw life style. 😵 😬🥴😉
Would this be possible for a Japanese import with no import paperwork but was previously registered in Arizona? Vehicle has no VIN but has a chasis number.
As of late 2023, *2024->on, VT No Longer 'Allows' Out-of-State Residents to Register (Lost Title) Vehicles...*
(I will return here *IF* I am able to do so...)
This is one of the reasons I'm glad I live in Vermont in addition to the fact you can buy REAL Maple Syrup everywhere !! Now if we only had a Dragstrip in Vermont life would be perfect.
It'll never really happen but NY state is coming hard at your Maple syrup.
In fact I'm nearby to the stuff that was served in the white house a while back,not sure if that status is changed.
@@MrTheHillfolk We can't possibly have too much REAL maple syrup in the world so you guys make as much as you can !
I remember winter '70/71 going to a maple syrup shack near Stowe and they poured lines of fresh syrup out on the snow and rolled them up on popsicle sticks. Do they still do that?
@@myleftthumb2294 Sugar on snow ! YUM !
Just come visit Maine we have a dragstrip and maple syrup
Not as of June 2023, Vermont closed the loophole and will no longer do this.
Best way to get a loophole closed is to blabber about it all over the internet. Was nice nice while it lasted.
Personally I blame squirrels
@@Nichole-440HP lol
My 1970 Toronado got her clean title this way. I have no idea where she came from, but it sure as hell was not Pennsylvania, where I bought her. Too much intact sheet metal!
It is all over!!! They closed the loophole July 1st 2023.
Titles are simply another part to locate when restoring your classic car. It happens the exact same way those original rally wheels got lost. The title is lost w/time & several owners. It happens the same way your classic cars engine gets roasted by a faulty carb. The title gets burnt in a fire. It happens the same way your hood or trunk lid gets rust holes in them. A mouse or water was involved. You can buy new rally wheels from a nice seller at a swap meet & you can get titles from bureaucrats. Sadly, most DMVs don't care about classic cars & don't realize titles get lost with enough time like anything else. In my experience it's never nefarious but they treat you like a criminal, nonetheless.
Tony, cop here…if a stolen car was ever entered into NCIC (database we use to check vins, serial number of stolen items, firearms, even missing person) it SHOULD remain in NCIC forever unless recovered. When I’ve done vin verifications for people we run them via NCIC and that is satisfactory for us in PA.
Also I do audits of our departments NCIC entries monthly. I can vouch for items remaining in NCIC for 30+ years (stolen gun never found or recovered for example)
NCIC does not retain a car or article indefinitely, only the gun file. Article is shorter than the car NCIC file. If I remember right, cars and articles can be extended if they're missing person/felony vehicles, but I haven't done the validations side in a few years.
This is why you listen to lawyers and not cops. Thanks for confirming.
@@jeremi2ahproctor8.81 I'm not a lawyer, I'm a whole lot closer to what he does lol.
If its good faith bought in good faith buying state in the middle the status changes
There is a separate "forever" database. I just went through this.
In the process of getting the title for my 1955 International pickup. This helps so much
This video needs updating
What happens if you get a vehicle from someone and they fill out the bill of sale with their info but they weren’t the last registered owner
We live in California, and my son just used this to title some valuable old VW that he scored really cheap due to no title. Definitely works. He was stoked!
Did he check through the local DMV to see if there was a current record of it? He might get a surprise when he takes the Vermont paperwork to the DMV.
I'm in CA. What did you do for the vin verification? If you got CHP, local PD, or DMV to do it why couldn't you go right the the CA DMV and get the title?
Also, with the Vermont Title, did you have a lot of steps to go through to get the CA title?
@@auteurfiddler8706 watch the video, it explains everything
Was there any back fees pending in Cali? I wondering what happens to those.
@@jasonredwood154 If the car has been out of the system for years then no. If it still has a current record, they will have to pay those fees. California will get their money one way or the other.
Amazing information! Once again. This channel provides so much more than the average mechanic channel
Hey, this is really cool. I lived in Stowe, VT back in the early 70s, so this kind of feels right at home to me. Steve Magnante's roadside crawls are calling my name.
Seems like Vermont is missing out on a lot of FREE money by closing this loophole.
You title vehicles in most states without any paperwork but you have to go through a licensed auto repair facility.
I'm from North Carolina bought a car from Tennessee no tittle . Research every which way to tittle the car none worked..But this video worked ...No scam at all fully legal and well worth it..( Vermont loop hole is real ) I even taught our DMV a thing or too..I was offer a job ..just bullshitin but thanks guys
Thai is OUTSTANDING!!! I've been sitting on a vehicle that I've wanted for years and years. I knew exactly where a rather rare one was and would stop by the gentleman's house from time to time asking if he was ready to get it out of the way. To my amazement, about six years ago he yes. It's been in my possession ever since that day. But without a title it's kinda hard to justify the cost of what I'm going to do to it.
This solves that problem! HELL YEAH!!! Thank You SOOO much UT and friends!!!! OUT FREAKING STANDING!!!
My Vermont tags just came in the mail!! Followed these instructions, sent out the paperwork, two weeks later I've got green tags on my 73 Polara. Thanks again guys!
Did you get an actual title?
How long did it take after they cashed check?
What about inspection?
WARNING!!
THIS DOES NOT WORK IN IDAHO!!
THEY TURNED DOWN MY VERMONT PAPERWORK!
Vermont did away with the title loophole
Awesome work! Thanks for the information. I did something similar years ago when I was living in Massachusetts. I bought a car with no title and the DMV refused to title it. So I “sold it” to my friend in New Hampshire. He was able to register it, but no title. Massachusetts would title a vehicle with a NH registration. So he “sold” it back to me.
I live in NH and buy cars with no titles out of Mass frequently. glad to hear there's a workaround for you guys.
Hey I’m looking to do the same but with a vermont registration like the video explains. Do they accept Vermont registrations too or just nh?
@@ajdonarumo8612 I believe Mass will title any vehicle from a no title state with just the registration.
i am from MA, and did this with my XJ. totally recommend, super easy, great people to deal with 100 percent recommend
How was transferring the title to MA after? I have a project car that I can’t drive for inspection because it’s not running yet.
my buddy told me rhode island will no longer accept Vermont paperwork to get a title
@@deeznice2006 dang that sucks, alot of places are cracking down
What insurance company did u use?
@@jakewoodman1265 any one will accept the vt reg, as far as my knowledge goes
I too can attest it works! Such an easy process! I live in Idaho which is a “NO TITLE, NO SALE” state. This worked for me on my 1991 Isuzu Trooper. 👍👍
Wow NADA values are freakin crazy!!! Very inflated!
Did NADA update their values recently? All the values for my 1961 Mercury Comet seem really high, and a 1971 Plymouth Duster is a lot higher than $1400.
Disclaimer for anyone who lives in California and wants to do this: California will give you a “non-transferable registration” when you transfer the registration from Vermont to California without a title. If you want a California title, you must provide the most recent title. In my case, the title was void because it was signed and dated incorrectly, and based off the date would have cost me a lot of late fees. I handed over that title after doing the registration and did get a California title. If I had no title, I wouldn’t have been able to get a title in California without applying for one from the car’s home state. If the car was last titled in California this part may be complicated, I’m not sure what you would need to do at that point
You could simply have it registered by a friend who is a resident of another state which then, they could send you the title and you take that title to the California DMV and transfer to your name.
Great info. Will this work for a pull behind camper/trailer?
ditto
I have done this twice in NC, if anyone’s curious I have a couple videos about it. Great video UTG crew
Hey Griff, im in NC as well, i want to register my 71 duster project using this method, anything i need to watch out for with NCDMV registration offices? (just subbed to your channel as well)
I’m in NC as well Griff and have an 85 Jeep I need to do this on. I’ll check your channel to see if videos are there
@@1982MCI also check out busaru’s videos about titling through Vermont. That where I learned it from
@@griffparker1466 I’ll take a look at it. I just saw in one of your videos where you talked about that video as well. I appreciate the info brother.
Especially on motorcycles , they have to have more deterrents in the system because they are easier to steal.
ya they closed the loop hole because of video's like this !! HEY THANKS GUYS SMFH ! CAN NOT FIX STUPID
Do you have to give Vermont proof of insurance?
This is very interesting. I watch all the classic car shows and they never talk about titles or any other paperwork.
Insurance is probably not required for a title app
No you dont
No
My buddy did this with a vehicle, so at the very least I know it's a thing.
I love you Uncle Tony. You're the shit, and it's great watching you go from about 5,000 subs or less, to almost 300k. The world needs more dudes like you.
Sweet now I can get a title for my pickup such a big help saved me a ton of $$$ that I don't have at the moment thanks again
coming back to say i got my plates today! and my vehicle is salvaged. it works clean or not
I went through international title service. I later found out that that service went through vermont. I sent it into them for an old chevelle. It took 2 years to get the paperwork back so I could get a title in my state. I thought that was a little bit long of time to wait😮
THANK YOU Guys SO Much!! Hopefully, nobody will screw this up for us all. Thank you Vermont as well! Poor ppl like us, cannot AFFORD to purchase vehicles like the "sheep" of the U.S.. I'm like UncTony, but I do NOTHING Legally. Tennessean, and I rule CopperHead Rd.
Yup, I’ll bet that this stupidness will have them ending this by next year. What ever, who cares, by legal cars
It's unlikely to get cancelled. Basically, back before the internet he states were not wanting to deal with the possible legal issues in retitling vehicle's you couldn't get information on. But every state had a Need for a retitling service for it's citizens that do things legally but on the cheap. Vt stepped forward and said hey if we can make some fee revenue off this deal we got the balls to do it for all the states and save you the risk. America said sweet thanks vermont. Then shady used car salesman started spreading rumors because you know more cars for them if people ain't heard of this or think it's sketchy
@@superpossum78 so you think that other states want Vermont to register unregisterable cars, more than those states want to collect revenue for selling registrations? I don’t think you understand why they register cars
@@atozbikes I'm not sure you understand who is using this service. Car thieves don't target 15 yo vehicle's. This is mostly a help to guys who want a title on A car where the previous owner has died or someone lost the paperwork and left grandpa's old truck in a barn but now they'd like to sell it rather than scrap it. The cars aren't illegal they're just missing papers.
You guys did a really good job informing us on the Vermont special. I was aware of it but not close to what you guys shared. Now I can buy my dr350 dual sport baby. Thank You
The loophole is closed
Thanks for this video Tony! My father in law just did this with a Triumph he owned, and I was going to make a video on it myself. Great explainer for everyone!
The Hack Mechanic
The end of “The Vermont Loophole”
Rob Siegel
24 July 2023
At the end the total fees changed from $160 to $214 what were the unexplained fees?
did you ever get an answer to this? I just searched all the comments and I didn't see anyone ask this. he did at one time say they have 2 fees. but where does the other $54 come from...?
You just gave me a way to save a 1948 Plymouth from being crushed.
Let me know if this works as I have a 1950 dodge truck I restored
Another thing to remember is that the registration will expire at a certain point. Be sure to transfer to title as soon as you can.
You just renew registration every year.
Excellent, detailed, extremely informative, simple and very understandable. Great job. I went through this exact process when I bought my sisters 79 450SL Merceds. Presented to my current home state and then was able to transfer the VT registration to my state for a new title, registration, tags and plates.
My Mercedes 450SL did have VT plates and registration but to title, all documents were under my sister’s name. It was a straight process.
Great job gentleman!
Now if I could only find my high school 1968 Malibu SS 396 or the VIN. Keep these videos coming. 👍🏻😎🙏🏻✝️🇺🇸🙏🏻✝️🇺🇸🙏🏻✝️🇺🇸👍🏻😎🚓🏎
Pretty amazing two kids just walk in and say "Hey ya know bout this Vermont title thing right?" And Uncle Tony says "What? Nah I don't but I'll pay ya each a dub and put ya on my video if this crap is legit!"
Well I guess it turned out legit eh? Vermont just found a way to get some extra revenue!
I have a 07 Subaru Forrester and my old roommate never gave me the title! I found some old Registration, and was able to pull a "Hat Trick" at the courthouse, but my issues with low IQ and such made me put the newly acquired title inside the middle of a magazine I tucked behind the seat. The Subaru got stolen 2 weeks later and now cannot find that same old registration I had used to acquire title. So I've gotta try this one out!!!
07 Forrester W/ NO title = about $500 value.
Forrester Is worth considerably more with the title because of the upgrades!
Just tried to do this with my 95 toyota pickup 2wd. they sent it back highlighting that i fill out the trucks portion(weight of truck. weight of truck loaded. type of brakes. and # of axles). it was registered in california before and they make you register trucks as commercial verhicles. Could be why. Registration cost are the exact same. just have to fill out the highlighted section and return. ill update when i finally get it approved.
Update#1: Received my plates and registration is coming in soon. will update when i get registration. then will update when i have nevada title.
Thank you so much guys!! I've heard of this, but was never sure of how to go about it. I just got a 70 chevelle that has been sitting since the late 70s, early 80s, and with no title anywhere. This is going to save me so much time over getting a bonded title here in Iowa
I got the plates today, the temporary registration looks a bit odd, but no vin check on the motorcycle was required thanks a lot, I love Vermont
@@thomasdinan7043 wait no vin check on the motorcycle?
@@dylanwillyams yes, I did no VIN check and got the motorcycle plates and temp REG. in about a month.. NO bureaucratic red tape....sweet
@@thomasdinan7043 hell ya im gonna try it out with my vstar. thanks for the reply!
apparently anything under 500cc's doesnt need an inspection. was urs over 500?
Question: If you buy an old car from someone with no title or paperwork of any kind and it hadn't been registered for a long time, how would you or the Vermont DMV know if it had a salvage title?
i believe it would be stuck to the vin, thats why you lookup the vin to see what the last title was
@@NipponSpeedWorks what if it now has a rebuilt title after it was previously issued a salvage title?
Great video Tony! I’m a younger guy and during covid I restored a 71 Honda Sl350 barnfind. I did hours of research to figure out and use this loophole for that bike and it worked! This video sums all that up in 20 minutes!
Did you have to do a Vin Verification on a bike that old? I didn't think you have to the the vin Verify on bikes unless they were over 500cc. Can you expand on what you did for your sl350 please?
how did you get the vin verified?
Any word?
Vin verification was stopped during covid.....motorcycles under 500 cc didnt need one anyway.
This loophole closed unfortunately but there is still a few options dealing with this. The previous owner has the ability to file for a lost title, if you trust them to do so. Also if you know someone with a junkyard they can get a title.
I sent in all my paperwork to Vermont DMV 5 weeks ago and still haven’t heard a thing yet.
18:50 thank you to Vermont for leaving this "open" like said in the video, there's alot of old car guys in a jamb that don't have a title and it's not stolen.
So thanks for having a little trust in the people who are just trying to make thier life more enjoyable.
I've got an old motorcycle without a title, I'm definitely gonna get one now!
Don’t think they are doing it for you because they are nice guys. It’s alllllll about the money 💰
@@gcaprice406 well give credit where it's due. If they're smart enough to give plates to a person who is going to produce the vin then they obviously know the person is getting honest and if they're not well then by all means come collect the car geez at least they found the stolen car. Hahaha
Almost needed this a few months ago, on OUR OWN JEEP we let sit for 13 years, since '08. And likely will use it soon on something else. Thanks guys. Very useful info!
Question for you, since it was 15 years old, did they issue you a title from Vermont? I'm looking into doing this with a jet ski that's from 09. Thanks in advance.
if you lose a title to your vehicle you can do to the dmv and file for lost title. As long as it is in the same name they will issue you a new one with a small fee
If you want a loophole to stay a loophole, don't broadcast the loophole.
That's a thing of the past .it was a good thing then people got greedy and fucked it up for the rest of us! Got to love it
Thanks for bringing a spotlight to this trick for the sake of some views. I’m sure there will be legislation to prohibit this sometime soon.
This is a great alternative for people who are stuck and need another option. Personally, I would walk on anything that doesn't have a title. I have heard of too many horror stories of cars coming back as stolen or contested by previous parties. Nice to know about this option though. Nice job gang
I have a 1950 Pontiac that's been sitting since 59 and I have absolutely no paperwork but I couldn't keep myself from working on it anyway you guys just saved me a ton! VA DMV is so hard to deal with
See if they have that rule that if a vehicle has been left on your property for more then three years you automatically own it get the ownership might not work in America but ours laws are mostly the same
Actually, a legit recycler/junkyard MUST provide a VIN with any part purchase, per federal law. I just redid my MO state inspector license, and they were very specific about this. That said, if a car is in the junkyard, in (MO/IL for sure) it is currently titled as "JUNK" and it is almost impossible to re-title as anything else. Just FYI
If the car has been in the yard for a long time I doubt they will find that status. Also, does Vermont check all 50 states to find the previous title? Even though the new owner is from TN that doesn't mean the car wasn't form CA.
Even that depends on the yard. A modern yard, sure. A place that's been in business since the 50s and has cars out back that have been off the road since then? You're fine.
Where can I find that last form to take to my DMV? I've looked through the Vermont DMV website and can't find it.
The State has an obligation to make sure it is not issuing a void title.
When a title is asked for, the state actor must not issue a title without first verifying that the hand that is presenting the paperwork, to let the state actor examine it, is the hand of a "person" (a 14th amendment "citizen"). Such a "person" is defined as "one that is sworn in as an office holder". How does a "person" happen, you ask. There's a specific oath. An official oath only comes about, and can only be be validated, if it in writing, properly sworn to, and filed in the proper way, at the proper place and at a specific time, prior to handing the state actor the paperwork, spoke about hereinabove. Moreover, the timely proper oath, had to be autographed before a "official". That particular official must be an officer that is not misrepresenting that they are a government official, i.e. notary public.
How did things get so distorted? Some of us didn't pay close attention to detail, when we were first offered the opportunity to view the movie "The wizard of OZ".
If you don't get it, keep looking!
I live in Indiana, and it used to be super easy to get a title for an old car: Fill out a few forms (similar to the ones in this video), have a cop check the VIN (cost $5 to have them come to your house), done. Sometime in the last ten years, they changed this process: Now you have to trailer the car to some specific location on a _single specific day_ of the month at a specific time (between 1-3pm, if I recall) for _one specific person_ to look at the car and verify the VIN. It's ridiculous (and basically impossible if you have a job and/or don't own trailer).
This method was looking promising to get around this nonsense until the NADA value part. I bought an old shell car for $500. Looked up the NADA value and it's $7,000! That means I'd be paying basically the same price in taxes as I paid for the car. Seems like values should be based on the condition of the car and not just the model. This video is still good info to have, though.
That's where I'm lost at. I've had a roadrunner shell for 40 years I need a title for. I'm thinking the NADA value is around 50k.
@@bradleynelson5915 - That's nuts. I'm guessing on these older cars, the only thing they have to go on for value is the occasional collectors' auction where a fully restored or heavily modified vehicle is sold for a crazy high price.
I'm tempted to just put the value I paid as the NADA value and enclose a picture of the car as the proof of value so they can see it's obviously just a rusty gutted piece of metal and not a multi-thousand dollar vehicle. (After all, Blue Book values don't apply to an inoperable car, so why would the NADA values?) Worst case scenario, Vermont rejects the forms and I wasted twenty minutes of my time filling them out and 40¢ on the stamp to send them.
@@bradleynelson5915 ... doesn't have to be NADA. Could be any of the others like Kelly Blue Book or Edmonds. Some insurance companies also have value listings (Haggerty, JC Taylor, etc) for antique vehicles. I suspect most any printed version of similar vehicle might be accepted for comparison. You might also print out the value for a 2 door Plymouth or Dodge of the same year because a RR is basically a trim level.
Trying to figure out what to do for my buddy with his 68 Mercedes he got for free. It came from Tennessee 40 years ago during thet blizzard in the 70s. Owner cracked the block cause they used water as coolant. Buddies neighbor bought it and owned it ever since without a title I guess I don't know how he registered it after putting another motor in it. Debating doing the Vermont title path indiana is such a headache I've never tried this. Any vehicles without a title I avoid no matter how much I wanted them.
I bought my 97 mustang GT for $500 no title... No worries.
For $75 I went through a bond agent. It had a lien from a title pawn outfit.. I claimed it as abandoned, charged $45 per day storage for a year which came to well over 13K. The title pawn forfieted the lien and I had a legal title in 6 weeks. That was 3 years ago and she's been my daily since then. $500 mustang. 😁
Excellent presentation! This is very good information and will be helpful to many people with this issue.
Does anyone know if this works with a vehicle over 25 yrs old that was legally imported from another country? And was never registered or titled in America?
I just did this to title my 2000 VW New Beetle! I now have Vermont plates on my car!! Got it via Bill of Sale only and now have the vermont plates. They only give 1 license plate sticker, and it goes on the bottom right of the rear license plate.
Keep in mind that if you do not have a vermont vehicle inspection on the car, it is technically not legally licensed for driving in Vermont with those tags, so keep in mind that you need to get a vermont state inspection the instant you start driving the car in/through vermont if you use this process and actually use the Vermont license plates.