Bought the new Seiko Marinemaster 300 (SLA021 aka SBDX023) and it gets more wrist time than my Omegas, IWC, and Sinn. It fits my 6.75" wrist great. I think it has a lot to do with the case shape and how small (aka normal size) the dial actually is. It wears smaller than my Omega Seamaster (with gloss dial) that is 41mm.
Shipmate That new model with the sapphire and ceramic is nice. I’m jealous. Around 7” +/- and the size of the MM still works. It’s a big watch but Seiko designers mask the size well.
@@SPQR-Z I also own a SBDC051, which specs show it as a smaller watch, but the MM300 wears smaller than the SBDC051. I think it has to do with the lug-2-lug length and the size of the dial. Dial on the MM300 is small, giving it a smaller appearance. Also, I've gotten surprisingly used to the MM300's height and the thickness of the clasp (which I thought would annoy me). I think my next purchase will be either a Panerai 111 or 112 or a Grand Seiko GMT (SBGE201) with Spring Drive.
subscribed! i remember when i bought seikos and rolexes in westpac (vietnam era) for as little as eight bucks for seiko and maybe 75 for a wind up rolex--wish i had a time machine....
mike o connor Being admittedly a Rolex fanboy I can honestly say I am quit impressed with the MM300. I only touched on a few points but I could have mentioned many more positive things about the Marine Master. Seiko’s where always great watches but their current watches are great watches. Iv’e been wearing mine almost non-stop for the last few weeks and I have several Rolex that have sitting getting lonely, waiting their turn.
TBH, im more happy wearing the mm300 rather than my rolex gmt master 2. The wording seiko makes you think its cheap and your mind will tells you to enjoy the watch in whatever condition or situation it maybe. Unlike with the rolex, you will always be careful with it, you always thinks about resale value and you always need to make sure it is always in pristine condition and tendency you will not wear it.
Jose Joaquin Miguel Absolutely agree. I bought the Seiko MM300 to be an everyday wear watch. I hesitate to call it my “beater” watch, but I do do activities with this watch that I would hesitate to do with a more expensive watch like a Rolex. That said I don’t baby any of my watches. I agree that Seiko has an image problem among the high end watch crowd. We tend to be somewhat of a snobbish bunch at times. Anything without a “Swiss Made” on the dial can get the cold shoulder and in Seiko’s case that is very undeserved. Seiko has been at this for a very longtime. In fact they where making watches years before there was even a Rolex brand. They have a extensive history filled with quality & innovation. Seiko offers value driven watches at all price points and that is where the confusion starts. Many watch guys see their lower end watches for sale in department stores, but have no real firsthand knowledge of their higher end watches. Seiko may not even sell their high end watches in your particular country which I think is a mistake in marketing. Start making more of those JDM only models available worldwide somehow. Take their high end watch series “prime time” so to speak. At any rate. I’m glad I rediscovered the brand again. They where my GOTO watch back in my poor college & early workdays. They where always great watches offering allot of value for not allot of money, just like today. But for many Rolex snobs like me, I had to be educated by people “in the know” about Seiko’s high end offerings. So now I know and am a better watchnut for it. Love my MarineMaster 300 and have been wearing it nonstop for several weeks now!
Jason Amoako Always buy and wear what you like and you’ll be happy every time you gaze at your wrist to check the time. Seiko makes me happy just like a Rolex would.
evan h so what is the point??? Even more reviewers are doing the same thing, comparing the uncomparable. Japanesse craftsmanship (im not talking about watches, cars included) is FAR better than the western MERCHANDISING. FAIR price, relaiability, design, variety, service everywhere, parts. Stop DOING this!!! At the end, the market speaks LOUD, a rolex worth 1/2 or 1/3 of its value, and my Seiko Monster increasing value. By the way, the next time choose a Marinemaster or a Citizen Aqualand. Rolex could cost 30 times more and in reciprocity Seiko worth 30 MORE.
Just found your review whilst researching my next purchase. Great review thanks. An awesome piece which wears really well. Think this video help make up my mind, I’ve a similar wrist size. Thanks again. Out of curiosity, do you still have the marine master or has it passed on to someone else?
Hello. Glad you found the review helpful. If similar size wrist you will be just fine. The MM300 is a compact watch that hides it’s size well. The main dimension that you will notice and that can’t really be hid is the height. It does sit proud of the wrist and depending on the shape of your wrist (rounder vs more oval )will be quite apparent. It’s not extreme or even worst than allot of other divers out there but should be considered. Other than the height no problem on a 7’ish size wrist. Yes I do still have the MM300 although I sold off the spare one I had last year after it was canceled and replaced with the Prospex branded version. If the dropping of the Marine Master off the dial doesn’t bother you the new SLA021J1 is actually a better all around improved watch. I checked one out and like the ceramic bezel and Sapphire crystal over the Hardlex on the MM300. I recently did a video of the 2014 Rolex SeaDweller 40mm Ceramic which is the same thickness at 15mm. You can see the MM300 sitting in the background in that video. The MM300 actually matches up better size wise with that SD Rolex. Unfortunately I cutout the part where I compared the two but maybe I will release a video with that cutout footage where I was directly comparing them. Good luck with your decision. I think you will not be disappointed with whatever version MM300 you get. It is really the very best of the Seiko Divers.
Great video. Recently acquired a Marinemaster myself. 6.5" wrist but it wears like a tall skx. Bracelet is a bit poor but I'll be changing it over to a strapcode one.
setter55 Been wearing this MM300 for several months almost none stop and still loving it. It is a bit on the large/tall side but nothing excessive. I kind of like the chunkyness or gotten used to it. Allot of people like the Strapcode straps on the Seiko’s. Will have to order one myself although the Seiko rubber strap isn’t to bad for now.
Do you find the lugs hang over your wrist at that size? Have the same size wrists, have never worn a watch over 41mm but am heavily considering picking one of these up :)
Jeremy Corrao Thanks. I just sold 2 watches, a Steinhart Ocean one 42mm and Ball Engineer II Skindiver at 43mm. Both appeared much larger on the wrist. I did a video comparing them both to the MM300 and will probably post that up.
I really think most of you men need to look and see what this seiko bracelets purpose was intended for, this mm300 is what its title says a Marine Master It’s not intended to be worn to the country club or a grocery store it’s meant to be worn by those mastering the deep blue. The Seiko MM300 compared to this Rolex (c’mon boys ) The Sub was torpedoed and sunk as soon as the dive commenced descent.
The Seiko can go deeper, and, Seikos have demonstrated that they can usually triple their stated depth rating, but, I personally know that the Rolex Subby is one tough watch; I still have the scars to prove it.
What a great review. I would love to hear/watch an update or more comparisons with the Seiko 300M. I'm tempted to buy the newer version, with sapphire crystal and ceramic bezel, but I'll wait for the price to come down from $3000... when it gets below $2500 I'll pull the trigger.
Shipmate The newer replacement is actually a better watch with the upgrades. It’s purely aesthetics that the Seiko guys are complaining about. You can upgrade this watch to a sapphire, possibly the bezel insert also. I recently sold my spare MM300 MIB for $2500
Seiko compares more to Rolex Deep Sea versions of the Submariner.. When I think of Rolex I never think of the Submariner, I think of the models with the diamonds and gold. When I think of a dive watch Seiko always comes to mind.
Jas Hoo I have several Rolex Submariners so yes, for me a Tudor Sub would be redundant. I wanted something different with high build quality as opposed to just another Submariner. That said the latest Tudor Subs with the in-house movements are excellent and a great value in comparison to Rolex. The Pelagos is actually a better comparison to the MM300 because it is closer in price than the Rolex. Iv’e handled the new Pelagos and owned a older Blackbay. Both Very nice watches. If I was shopping for a premium Diver the Tudors would definitely be at the top of my list to consider. If one did not already have a Rolex Sub the new Tudor Subs are the next best thing. You could actually get a Pelagos + a MM300 for less than a new Rolex Ceramic Sub. Something to consider.
evan h I've actually pre-ordered an sbdx017 before watching your vid. it's quite assuring to know that someone with submariner will still add mm300 to his collection. I've owned both mm300 and black bay. As a watch flipper, they came and gone quickly. But now that seiko discon sbdx017, and the price of used one went up like crazy, it makes me want to get one before seiko starts to push mm300 into the "limited" GS priced SLA line.
Jas Hoo Not just a Rolex Sub owner but a super fanboy of the brand. Rolex Stainless Sport watches are like currency to us flippers. Iv’e bought, sold and traded well over a 100, mostly Submariners and done very well with them over the years. As long as you can get into them for a good price and/or wait a few years, the prices will increase and you can make $’s. The demand is always there. You should think about adding a Rolex Sub to your personal watches someday. You will see that Rolex is #1 for a good reason. I am very happy with the Seiko MM300. It’s a totally different vibe than the Rolex and Tudor but has a charm and quality feel all it’s own. I paid $2000 USD from a watch buddy for mine. I was lucky because he could have gotten more for it if he wasn’t in such a hurry to sell. Now I often see them for $2500 + range NIB but if you really look around you can find them for slightly cheaper. I just picked up another one for $2200 just to flip. Since you are a Tudor fan have you seen the new Pepsi GMT that was announced at Basel this year? That will be a watch flippers dream along with the new Rolex stainless Pepsi GMT. I am on waiting list at my AD’s for both those. The Rolex will retail for around $9000 but will probably go for around $12-15k in the secondary market. The Tudor version will be around $4500 and word on the street says it will sell for a nice premium also.
Sean G Hard to say which actually last longer. I will say that both of these newer lume formulas last longer than all previous versions and stay useful longer after a charge. Both will last all night. The Seiko’s lume being green is much brighter at any given time over the blue lume used in the Rolex. That’s because the human eye perceives the color green much better which is why they primarily use green in glow in the dark products. I like the blue that Rolex uses and it seems to last about the same amount of time, just not quite as bright.
I think the MM300 is a better value. If you don't like the hardlex crystal it's simple just replace it with sapphire crystal when it comes time to service the watch. The new MM300 the SLA019 has sapphire crystal I'm sure you could use that on your MM300. Hopefully they make a black ceramic bezel instead of the green one and then you could add that also. That's what I'm planning on doing anyways if I still have my MM300 when it's time to service.
CLO27 No doubt the better value over a Rolex Sub, and many other brands for that matter. I will probably get a Sapphire crystal for my MM300. I still feel that Seiko should have included it on their top diver at this price point but it’s such a great watch that I was able to overlook this over-site. So it sounds like the new green dial model does have sapphire which should fit fine. Not sure I like the new versions color scheme. But I said that about the Rolex “Hulk” until I actually saw one firsthand. Maybe.
Rolex is much more expensive but there are many many cheaper watches with both ceramic insert and sapphire crystal. I love Seiko but they should step up their game a little.
New version has the Ceramic bezel and sapphire.... I personally like the old version. Ceramic bezel watches might not age as nicely, as the ceramic bezel will remain shiny while the rest of the watch patinas.
It just goes to show how good the MM 300 is for the price, if seiko improved the little down fall details of this watch could you imagine the end result.
Marco Castagnetti Seiko did finally go with a Sapphire crystal an Ceramic bezel insert on the limited SLA019J1. Refine the bracelet a bit and it would definitely be a Rolex Sub super competitor at half the price. Most Seiko fans do not like the dropping of the MM300 moniker in favor of the Prospex branding. The Hulk green dial with gold indices and green bezel combo is absolutely stunning in person.
@@SPQR-Z, thanks for the info yes your spot on the inprovements that you mentioned and the issue with the braclet, it's a real shame when living in the UK the seiko jdm models and limited editions are hard to veiw before making a purchase so the green version will unlikely never be viewed by me, for the record I actually own the original mm300 and for the price it's hard to beat.
Alex H Kane As hardcore Rolex guy I started-out disliking the Ceramic when it first came out. But overtime it won me over and now I prefer it. Mostly I like the Maxi dial and upgraded bracelet. The Ceramic bezel looks great and better at resisting scratches but many still prefer the aluminum inserts. Yes the Seiko MarineMaster SBDX017 is no more at least in name. Seiko has released a limited green (Hulk) version SLA019 that will probably evolve into the replacement for the MM300 at some point. The good news is it will have a Ceramic bezel and Sapphire. The bad news for some is the Seiko will rebrand the watch with the ProSpex X on the dial and loose the Marinemaster monicker. That is a huge deal for some hardcore Seiko guys.
evan h Interesting debate. I waited 14 months for a ceramic no date. Couldn't live with it. Lasted two weeks. Sold it and bought a second 14060. This time a 4 line with engraved rehaut (my 2line is a 1990) The ceramic bezel and the new design clasp couldn't compensate for the new chunky styling. I guess I like the slim understated profile of a 14060/M. The only modern Rolex I currently own is the 39mm explorer. And I'm still not entirely convinced about that. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Appreciated 👍
Alex H Kane I like the old tapered lugs case same as you. Right now I am looking for a Seadweller 116600 Rehaut 40mm with the old style tapered case but with Maxi-dial and Ceramic bezel insert. It has the Glidelock and as with all Seadwellers no Cyclops for a cleaner look. The best of the Ceramic Subs but still the old school case. Only 2 years for that model and sure to become a very sought after Rolex Sub. You have the best aluminum no-date Sub version with that 14060 Rehaut. I believe that the last year ones will be very collectible in the future. I recently picked up a couple last year 36mm Explorers MIB to save. Really good prices because most people want the 39mm. But to me the Explorers will always be the original 36mm versions. I heard many Rolex guys are adding the 36mm Explorer to their collections before the prices go back up. Back in early 2000’s there was a super-craze for the Exp-1’s, they where selling for way over list. Now it’s the Batman GMT. Some things never change.
evan h Hey buddy. Thought you might like to know I've picked up a MM300. 2016 very smart. Slight scuff on clasp. I have a new clasp on the way, but it's going on a Straposphere ISO strap anyway. Oh, and a new 126660 Sea Dweller Deep Sea black dial. Possibly one of the first to get one in the UK 👌
Alex H Kane Very cool! It’s always nice to score some desired “precious”. You’ll love both these watches. Still wearing my MM300 and will probably do an update video soon. Been busy buying, selling and scheming for my next acquisitions lol. I recently picked up my Seadweller 116600 Ceramic, finally. I also checked out the new SD red. That is one nice watch, your a lucky man. Again, congratulation on your pickups. You have great taste in watches.
If the main thing to talk about is the bracelet, then there is something wrong. Look at the frickin watch! I think it's hilarious when anyone talks about rolex they spend most of the time talking about how great the bracelet is.
I've owned a sumo, owned an skx. Owned a Hulk sub for 5 years, and as a guy with a good sized wrist seeing the sub and the MM side by side makes me doubt wanting a MM. It seems alot bigger.
My SKX looks bigger on the wrist than my MM300. It is a tall watch, but only 1.5mm taller than many out there. I love mine - lots of used bargains out there.
The MM has better wrist presence.. the Rolex has been copied by so many others that by non watch enthusiast point of view looks like an Invicta, Tissel, Armida and so on and on...
The MM300; it's obviously the cooler watch. Now, if I knew what they were worth, the Rolex; that way, I could sell it, buy me an MM300, and pocket the difference.
These are the 2 watches im deciding between i like tke the inky dial of the rolex more but the wrist presence of the mm300 looks great on you. I want a speedmaster then pick between these 2 tough decisions
Robert Spinks Ω Speedy, Sub, MM300, you have good taste. Tough choice between the two. The good news is you can’t go wrong which ever way you choose. Both excellent and top choices in divers. The Seiko dial is definitely more a charcoal matt grey. The Rolex a deep gloss black. Personally I would always go Rolex Sub over the Seiko but then again I’m hardcore Rolex fanboy so quite bias. Pick the one that speaks to you most, can always change your mind and flip either one if needed. They both are hugely desirable. Another great watch that I think people overlook but actually compares more directly with the Seiko MM300 is the Tudor Pelagos Submariner. At 41mm it has more size for added wrist presence. Slightly more $’s than the Seiko but way less than the Rolex. Check the great comparison by TH-camr: Jatthew Mackson. He shows a left hand wind version of the Pelagos but it comes with regular crown position. Good luck with your choice!
Robert Spinks, to me one issue with the MM300... is the Seiko Sumo. It is like its little brother but so close in many ways. Some small aspects are shaved off but as a complete watch for about 25% of the price, it offers so much value. If you are on the fence about the MM300, the Sumo might work for you.
Venus Dee great watch the sumo i had the blue but I sold it because i was going to get mm300 then decided to hold off, only negatives on the sumo was the blue wasnt my type of blue and the bezel numbers bit big sort of regretted selling but don’t think i’d rebuy.
Robert Spinks, I actually enjoy the bezel numbers on the Sumo as it makes it different. I guess it is a taste thing. I own the blue one and I think it looks really nice, though I can see maybe somebody prefering the black dial for more everyday use. I feel Seiko is its own worse enemy sometimes in that it offers so many great watches at every price point. If you own the MM300, there is no need to go to the Sumo but for those who want the same or similar style and do not want to spend so much, the value to the Sumo is just amazing. At the price point of the MM300, I would probably baby it a bit more and use it for more safe occasions. Lately I have been semi abusing my Sumo as I have been using it at work where it is at risk of getting scratches but I dont mind.
Gorgeous Seiko. I have a broad range of brands like you. But the sheer quantity and quality Seiko give you is fantastic. An honest brand at an honest price, in my opinion anyway.
kellypaws Couldn’t agree more. I’ve owned Seiko since the 80’s. Value and quality have always been there. Seiko/GrandSeiko is giving Rolex a run for their money especially when you look at quality vs $’s, plus they look so good. Rolex and Seiko are two brands you can’t go wrong with.
instead of making the watch wear smaller, i don't understand why they didn't just make the watch smaller! 42 diameter, 48-49 lug to lug, and a more reasonable 13 (or, dare i say it, thinner, slimmer 12 or slimmer profile... like how even some microbrands manage to do it, or the ole Seamaster did before it porked up), and bam, here's a smash hit (though taking into consideration 2020 Seiko, it would probably cost as much as a Submariner, lol)
praetor47 Agreed. Maybe tradition? Seiko Divers have never been small watches. But when they brought this watch back, 41-42mm and a slimmer profile would work better for a wider range of wearers. Watch manufacturers all jumped on the oversized watch craze. I think it’s run it’s course and hopefully watches return to more traditional sizes. 40-42mm for sport watches, 36-38 for dress watches
@@SPQR-Z yeah... i particularly don't understand the thickness of this thing. over 15mm for a 300m stainless steel watch is frankly pathetic in the 2010s, let alone now in the '20ies. there's a whole host of 11-12mm 200m divers, some are even 300m, and there's really no excuse going over 13mm unless you're packing some very serious movements in there (and i mean 5day power reserves, spring drives and the likes) or 1000m or wr (and even then... Benarus had a 13mm watch with 1000m... and that thing was 38mm! Sinn has a 2000m watch that's barely over 13mm... in 41mm and titanium!) from the side it looks ugly, unbalanced... like a tumor. not "manly" at all (which is a pity, 'cause from the front it looks awesome. i'd probably even sell my Chopard to get one if it was more sensibly sized :D)
It's a dive watch. It's made for saturation diving, not cocktail parties. Also, it's actually, dial-wise, smaller than most Seiko divers, which makes it look thicker than it actually is. I love how mine feels and looks, and, I have relatively slender wrists, but, then, I'm a tool watch lover and hate light, wispy watches. However, if you're looking for a high end desk diver to go under your suit cuff, a 41mm Omega is your best bet.
@@varanid9 pathetic excuses for a badly designed watch. but that's expected from seiko fanboys. nearly 16mm for a WR of a mere 300m in the 21st century is a sign of incompetence, not skill
What's sad to me is the baby sized band on a 5 to 6 thousand dollars watch then you look at the lume and Seiko blinds you. I just can't justify that much money for a Rolex. The Seiko is a Tool !!!! Rolex is just jewelry and something for someone to say I've got a Rolex look at me. Myself I'll never pay that kind of money for a watch just to say I have it and never use it for what it's intended for.
CHRISTOPHER LILES 20mm bracelet on the Rolex is fine. The MM300 could probably use a 22mm. It’s a big heavy watch and many people have said it could use a wider bracelet to be more stable. I don’t mind the 20mm, it seems just fine IMO. I agree with you about the Seiko divers. being a more functional and practical dive watches. Rolex has made the decision to go more upscale to capture the luxury watch buyers whom are more interested in status and fashion. The Submariners are a great dive watch for those that would wear it diving. They have a long history of making tool watches that are functional and hard wearing. Iv’e used my Subs snorkeling, swimming numerous times and never had an issue with them staying water tight. I trust them to function under just about any activity I may do. I don’t baby any of my sport watches. But yes I agree with you that most Rolex that are purchased nowadays never will see anything more than a shower or bath water. The new Submariners are $7500-9000 new so people tend to baby them. Iv’e been wearing the Seiko nonstop for nearly 8 weeks so I can do a update. Just love this watch
evan h. I hear ya. I know Rolex builds a Awesome Watch. But people are starting to have crazy problems with them and then they can't get Rolex parts unless the send the watch to Rolex. I hate when a company just controls there stuff just so they can make up the price for everything. I know Seiko is having some issues as well. Sounds like it's becoming wide spread in the watch industry. But so far I haven't heard anything crazy with Grand Seiko. In My Opinion !!! The High End Seiko JDM and Grand Seiko Watches are just hard to beat for the Money !!!! I will never justify spending Rolex Money for a Watch. I'm gonna have a hard time going over 6 to 8 grand. But I'm like everyone else I have my few will have one day watches. 😏 It is Amazing to watch a Grand Seiko being built by hand and everything involved with making it durable and perfect to look at. I've been shown some secret things about Rolex and 6 or 7 other watches. Then I was shown Grand Seiko and everything about them it's truly unbelievable the process to make it what they are. I believe watches are Absolutely Amazing tools and works of art in a lot of cases !!
thegreatgazoo I’ve gotten used to it and can appreciate the purpose built functionality. At this price point I think Seiko could give you a better bracelet than their lower priced offerings.
Spot on. I have a Grand Seiko spring drive and a Rolex Sub and the GS bracelet does not hold a candle again the Rolex. Even the fit and finish of the actual GS watch is slightly inferior to the Rolex. Only someone who own both Rolex and Seiko will admit the Rolex is the superior watch. Everyone else will usually hate on Rolex and tell you they are over-rated, until they finally own or hold one.
Dennis Chen, lol. Your right about Rolex haters. Rolex build quality is always just about perfect every time. They hold their value and the styling never goes out of style. I like the Seiko MM for the price but Rolex has been my go to brand and never regretted a Rolex purchase.
I find the MM300 bracelet quite comfortable. Yeah, the clasp is stamped but who can see that when it's fastened? It doesn't effect its functionality in any way. My Submariner's bracelet doesn't feel any better, although the clasp action is a dream. Most comfortable bracelet ever made is by Omega. Anyway, for my dive watches, I prefer rubber; what strap comes on my watches has never been a consideration for me because I'm one of those people who always have to meddle.
It depends. I’m more old school where 40-41mm is the traditional size for a sport watch. Today’s watch guys like bigger case sizes like 42-46mm. Seiko aggressively beveled the case, keeps short lug to lug and uses a small dial on the MM300. This makes it wear smaller so people like me that prefer a smaller wearing watch can find it acceptable. Of course if your are the type that likes oversized watches then your probably fine with the 44mm case size. My Rolex Sky-Dweller with a 42mm case wears as big as this Seiko. It wears slightly on the big side
ripperx444 Definitely worth $1800. I paid 2k NIB and I feel lucky to have gotten it at that price. It hurts knowing I could have gotten one for 15-16 at one point. Oh well that’s this crazy hobby we’re in.
Like you I have a Rolex submariner and decided to get a Marine Master to late (can't find one anywhere now) as I think it's a great watch for the money. I ended up getting a blue Sumo which I love. The MM looks good on your wrist even though it is a big watch but I like big watches as I have a 8" wrist. You have made me start looking again now. Perhaps Seiko will bring another updated one out now with a sapphire glass but you can guarantee that the price will be much higher which is where they want to go in order to lift the brand.
Bryn Smart The Seiko has a totally different but unique vibe of its own. It does exude quality and the solid feel of a Rolex Sub. You probably get that with the Sumo also. I really like that watch also but it was a bit too big for me. It wears bigger than the MM300. The replacement for the MarineMaster is a bit of a mixed bag. It does have a Sapphire crystal but Seiko went with the Hulk green color. It looks nice but some people will definitely prefer the traditional black dial/bezel of the SBDX017. Also I believe they have the Prospect branding on the dial now? These factors have been driving up the price on the MM300. It’s frustrating but you’ll find one if you keep looking. I just picked up another one NIB for $2200USD for future flipping. Good luck with your hunt. There’s always ebay. Everyone knocks it but I have found and bought a few watches there myself after knocking it for years lol.
Yes I agree just on the edge of wearable for a 7” wrist. I prefer more traditional case sizes 40mm etc. People that like larger modern watch sizes will have no problem with this. Just personal preference
evan h Oh for sure. People wear grandfather clock sized cases on their wrists these days. I have a 7” wrist too and anything longer than a 46mm lug to lug starts to look a little off imo. The only big clock I would consider buying would be the planet ocean because I have yet to see a better looking watch.
Love my Seiko MM300 and, anymore, people look at you like you're a dumbfuck for wearing a Rolex. That being said, I have to confess, back when I had my Rolex Submariner, I wore it through all manner of jumps out of choppers, swims, fights and car wrecks (no, I'm not Bond, just an ex military idiot who had to learn things the hard way; sorry, didn't realize how all that would seem like until after I typed it, LOL) and the Submariner is truly one tough watch. The MM300, I understand, used to be a favorite among oil rig divers and such, but, I think the Submariner would have kept up with it through most typical dive situations.
varanid9 lol. It’s great to hear someone actually using a tool watch like the Rolly-Sub or Seiko MM300 for what it’s designed for. Never apologize for that. Too many buy these tool watches only to baby them, desk divers and posers. I never baby my watches. I don’t abuse them on purpose but I certainly don’t baby them. Scratches and dings gives a watch some character. It reminds you that this close personal item you wear on your wrist has been a companion with you on life’s journey. That it’s your watch and you have the battle marks to prove it. Military issued and tough tool watches have been a military tradition forever. Many Ex servicemen that are now caught up in this crazy hobby got their start by wearing those watches during service. Some are lucky enough to still have that watch they wore. Both these watches are winners. They are tough tool watches that can go the distance as well or better than anything on the market. I had a Submariner date that I wore hard for 17 years. I never even serviced it and It never missed a beat. I expect nothing less from this Seiko. Thanks for the comments and thank you for your service to this country
@@SPQR-Z Thanks for the kind words. Actually USING your subby for all those years, you're one of the few who know what I mean. Being overly pragmatic, I eventually traded off the subby for the more current sapphire crystal GMT Master. Bad mistake; I found it overly well mannered and pompous for my tastes and soon traded it for a car, lol. I miss my Submariner; now that I collect, it makes me sad that I don't have the one watch that was with me through the formulative years of my life. Never sell yours if you can help it.
Sb Sb My MM300 keeps 4+ seconds per day which for an unregulated non chronometer movement is very acceptable. This older GS mechanical movement is capable of greater accuracy with regulation. On the other hand Iv’e heard that other Marinemaster 300 owners have had +10 seconds so it’s the luck of the draw when buying an unregulated watch. Seiko does offers great value at many price points. I agree that those looking for accuracy should be wearing a $100 Quartz. As far as Rolex Sport watches. I agree they are hyped and expensive however they are also excellent, well made watches. They retain their value and even appreciate in value overtime. Rolex will continue to be #1 into the foreseeable future. I have never regretted a Rolex SS Sports watch purchase which is something I cannot say about other brands.
evan h hi Evan. Keep wearing it. Trust me. Not just the time keeping. Something else too will go wrong. Your watches are still new. It is too early for you to know.😃. I have had many experiences with Seiko. I'm an old man. 😃.
Sorry... different leagues. I've owned the Seiko and I have 8.25" wrists and its massive...needs to be sent to another continent for servicing, questionable quality control, no sapphire glass or ceramic bezel. Theres no overlooking its shortcomings and this is coming from someone who likes Seiko and isn't enamoured with Rolex🤔
Canada_watch It’s certainly a chunky watch. Size wise it wears smaller than watches with a smaller case diameter. Size tolerance it’s at my upper limit but I would say that because of the trend towards oversized watches many people will be able to wear this but yeah, you’ll have to be a big watch lover, that’s for sure. In USA their are a couple options for basic serving. Repairs are back to Japan. Parts seem to be available through various outlets. As far as league with Rolex. The Submariner is in a league all it’s own. The Seiko is the top of Seiko’s range as far as it’s mechanical divers, until the Grand Seiko’s. Even though it has a totally different vibe I would say that it in it’s own way it is Seiko’s answer to the Rolex Sub. Agree build quality isn’t quite at the Rolex level and lacking the things you mention. Still at $2500 it is a very nice diver for the money. Especially if compared to many Swiss divers on the market. Just another option for those wanting something totally different. Very different and unique vibe to these Seiko’s compared to Swiss watches.
That's crazy. I only have 6.5 wrists and the mm300 fits me like a 42mm.. I guess thats because the bezel is 42mm and the case curves inward. I'm also 6'3 so maybe that offsets my slimmer wrists. Needless to say i love the 300.
Mine fits me like a glove- I love the mm300 and don’t find it too big despite having 7in wrists. I found it heavy early on but within 2-3 days I’d got used to it. The servicing doesn’t bother me as I rarely own a watch 5-8 years but this may be a keeper... and I won’t mind paying a bit to send it back to Japan. Will give me an opportunity to wear some of my other watches for a change!
Canada_watch new Seiko MM300 models have a sapphire crystal with AR coating on the underside (unlike rolex), and a ceramic bezel with lume up to the 20 marker.
Congratulations on the Marine Master Watch . Between the Rolex and the MM I would choose the Seiko 👍🏻
thats my dream watch.. i would choose a Seiko too. no hassle and its servicing can be availed almost anywhere
MICHAEL M. CABILES only some simpler maintenances. You might have to send it back to Japan got more complex maintenance
@@michaelcabiles7716 hey 👋🏻 Michael we both agree on the Marine Master 👍🏻💯
Bought the new Seiko Marinemaster 300 (SLA021 aka SBDX023) and it gets more wrist time than my Omegas, IWC, and Sinn. It fits my 6.75" wrist great. I think it has a lot to do with the case shape and how small (aka normal size) the dial actually is. It wears smaller than my Omega Seamaster (with gloss dial) that is 41mm.
Shipmate That new model with the sapphire and ceramic is nice. I’m jealous. Around 7” +/- and the size of the MM still works. It’s a big watch but Seiko designers mask the size well.
@@SPQR-Z I also own a SBDC051, which specs show it as a smaller watch, but the MM300 wears smaller than the SBDC051. I think it has to do with the lug-2-lug length and the size of the dial. Dial on the MM300 is small, giving it a smaller appearance. Also, I've gotten surprisingly used to the MM300's height and the thickness of the clasp (which I thought would annoy me). I think my next purchase will be either a Panerai 111 or 112 or a Grand Seiko GMT (SBGE201) with Spring Drive.
Thanks for this review. Although the Rolex might be the more refined watch, I still prefer the beauty of this wonderful MM300.
Besides the bracelet, is it really more refined (or just more shiny)?
subscribed! i remember when i bought seikos and rolexes in westpac (vietnam era) for as little as eight bucks for seiko and maybe 75 for a wind up rolex--wish i had a time machine....
Great comparison of two iconic divers. Its a credit to Seiko that the mm300 can compete with the more expensive Rolex.
mike o connor Being admittedly a Rolex fanboy I can honestly say I am quit impressed with the MM300. I only touched on a few points but I could have mentioned many more positive things about the Marine Master. Seiko’s where always great watches but their current watches are great watches. Iv’e been wearing mine almost non-stop for the last few weeks and I have several Rolex that have sitting getting lonely, waiting their turn.
TBH, im more happy wearing the mm300 rather than my rolex gmt master 2. The wording seiko makes you think its cheap and your mind will tells you to enjoy the watch in whatever condition or situation it maybe. Unlike with the rolex, you will always be careful with it, you always thinks about resale value and you always need to make sure it is always in pristine condition and tendency you will not wear it.
Jose Joaquin Miguel Fully agree with u
Jose Joaquin Miguel Absolutely agree. I bought the Seiko MM300 to be an everyday wear watch. I hesitate to call it my “beater” watch, but I do do activities with this watch that I would hesitate to do with a more expensive watch like a Rolex. That said I don’t baby any of my watches.
I agree that Seiko has an image problem among the high end watch crowd. We tend to be somewhat of a snobbish bunch at times. Anything without a “Swiss Made” on the dial can get the cold shoulder and in Seiko’s case that is very undeserved. Seiko has been at this for a very longtime. In fact they where making watches years before there was even a Rolex brand. They have a extensive history filled with quality & innovation. Seiko offers value driven watches at all price points and that is where the confusion starts. Many watch guys see their lower end watches for sale in department stores, but have no real firsthand knowledge of their higher end watches. Seiko may not even sell their high end watches in your particular country which I think is a mistake in marketing. Start making more of those JDM only models available worldwide somehow. Take their high end watch series “prime time” so to speak. At any rate. I’m glad I rediscovered the brand again. They where my GOTO watch back in my poor college & early workdays. They where always great watches offering allot of value for not allot of money, just like today. But for many Rolex snobs like me, I had to be educated by people “in the know” about Seiko’s high end offerings. So now I know and am a better watchnut for it. Love my MarineMaster 300 and have been wearing it nonstop for several weeks now!
So true just like grand seiko as well as most people think it's cheap is what just I like😳😆
Jason Amoako Always buy and wear what you like and you’ll be happy every time you gaze at your wrist to check the time. Seiko makes me happy just like a Rolex would.
evan h so what is the point??? Even more reviewers are doing the same thing, comparing the uncomparable. Japanesse craftsmanship (im not talking about watches, cars included) is FAR better than the western MERCHANDISING. FAIR price, relaiability, design, variety, service everywhere, parts. Stop DOING this!!! At the end, the market speaks LOUD, a rolex worth 1/2 or 1/3 of its value, and my Seiko Monster increasing value. By the way, the next time choose a Marinemaster or a Citizen Aqualand. Rolex could cost 30 times more and in reciprocity Seiko worth 30 MORE.
Just found your review whilst researching my next purchase. Great review thanks. An awesome piece which wears really well. Think this video help make up my mind, I’ve a similar wrist size. Thanks again. Out of curiosity, do you still have the marine master or has it passed on to someone else?
Hello. Glad you found the review helpful. If similar size wrist you will be just fine. The MM300 is a compact watch that hides it’s size well. The main dimension that you will notice and that can’t really be hid is the height. It does sit proud of the wrist and depending on the shape of your wrist (rounder vs more oval )will be quite apparent. It’s not extreme or even worst than allot of other divers out there but should be considered. Other than the height no problem on a 7’ish size wrist. Yes I do still have the MM300 although I sold off the spare one I had last year after it was canceled and replaced with the Prospex branded version. If the dropping of the Marine Master off the dial doesn’t bother you the new SLA021J1 is actually a better all around improved watch. I checked one out and like the ceramic bezel and Sapphire crystal over the Hardlex on the MM300.
I recently did a video of the 2014 Rolex SeaDweller 40mm Ceramic which is the same thickness at 15mm. You can see the MM300 sitting in the background in that video. The MM300 actually matches up better size wise with that SD Rolex. Unfortunately I cutout the part where I compared the two but maybe I will release a video with that cutout footage where I was directly comparing them. Good luck with your decision. I think you will not be disappointed with whatever version MM300 you get. It is really the very best of the Seiko Divers.
@@SPQR-Z thanks very much for the detailed reply. I'll check out your SD video ;-)
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great video
Great video. Recently acquired a Marinemaster myself. 6.5" wrist but it wears like a tall skx. Bracelet is a bit poor but I'll be changing it over to a strapcode one.
setter55 Been wearing this MM300 for several months almost none stop and still loving it. It is a bit on the large/tall side but nothing excessive. I kind of like the chunkyness or gotten used to it. Allot of people like the Strapcode straps on the Seiko’s. Will have to order one myself although the Seiko rubber strap isn’t to bad for now.
Do you find the lugs hang over your wrist at that size? Have the same size wrists, have never worn a watch over 41mm but am heavily considering picking one of these up :)
JizzyNinja no, I find it wears quite small due to its short lug to lug length. It's like wearing an skx on a thick NATO strap.
It looks great on you!
Jeremy Corrao Thanks. I just sold 2 watches, a Steinhart Ocean one 42mm and Ball Engineer II Skindiver at 43mm. Both appeared much larger on the wrist. I did a video comparing them both to the MM300 and will probably post that up.
I really think most of you men need to look and see what this seiko bracelets purpose was intended for, this mm300 is what its title says a Marine Master
It’s not intended to be worn to the country club or a grocery store it’s meant to be worn by those mastering the deep blue. The Seiko MM300 compared to this Rolex (c’mon boys ) The Sub was torpedoed and sunk as soon as the dive commenced descent.
The Seiko can go deeper, and, Seikos have demonstrated that they can usually triple their stated depth rating, but, I personally know that the Rolex Subby is one tough watch; I still have the scars to prove it.
What a great review. I would love to hear/watch an update or more comparisons with the Seiko 300M. I'm tempted to buy the newer version, with sapphire crystal and ceramic bezel, but I'll wait for the price to come down from $3000... when it gets below $2500 I'll pull the trigger.
Shipmate The newer replacement is actually a better watch with the upgrades. It’s purely aesthetics that the Seiko guys are complaining about. You can upgrade this watch to a sapphire, possibly the bezel insert also. I recently sold my spare MM300 MIB for $2500
Seiko compares more to Rolex Deep Sea versions of the Submariner.. When I think of Rolex I never think of the Submariner, I think of the models with the diamonds and gold. When I think of a dive watch Seiko always comes to mind.
Even h, ever consider tudor black bay or pelago before buying mm300? Or does submariner make tudor redundant?
Jas Hoo I have several Rolex Submariners so yes, for me a Tudor Sub would be redundant. I wanted something different with high build quality as opposed to just another Submariner. That said the latest Tudor Subs with the in-house movements are excellent and a great value in comparison to Rolex. The Pelagos is actually a better comparison to the MM300 because it is closer in price than the Rolex. Iv’e handled the new Pelagos and owned a older Blackbay. Both Very nice watches. If I was shopping for a premium Diver the Tudors would definitely be at the top of my list to consider. If one did not already have a Rolex Sub the new Tudor Subs are the next best thing. You could actually get a Pelagos + a MM300 for less than a new Rolex Ceramic Sub. Something to consider.
evan h I've actually pre-ordered an sbdx017 before watching your vid. it's quite assuring to know that someone with submariner will still add mm300 to his collection. I've owned both mm300 and black bay. As a watch flipper, they came and gone quickly. But now that seiko discon sbdx017, and the price of used one went up like crazy, it makes me want to get one before seiko starts to push mm300 into the "limited" GS priced SLA line.
Jas Hoo Not just a Rolex Sub owner but a super fanboy of the brand. Rolex Stainless Sport watches are like currency to us flippers. Iv’e bought, sold and traded well over a 100, mostly Submariners and done very well with them over the years. As long as you can get into them for a good price and/or wait a few years, the prices will increase and you can make $’s. The demand is always there. You should think about adding a Rolex Sub to your personal watches someday. You will see that Rolex is #1 for a good reason.
I am very happy with the Seiko MM300. It’s a totally different vibe than the Rolex and Tudor but has a charm and quality feel all it’s own. I paid $2000 USD from a watch buddy for mine. I was lucky because he could have gotten more for it if he wasn’t in such a hurry to sell. Now I often see them for $2500 + range NIB but if you really look around you can find them for slightly cheaper. I just picked up another one for $2200 just to flip.
Since you are a Tudor fan have you seen the new Pepsi GMT that was announced at Basel this year? That will be a watch flippers dream along with the new Rolex stainless Pepsi GMT. I am on waiting list at my AD’s for both those. The Rolex will retail for around $9000 but will probably go for around $12-15k in the secondary market. The Tudor version will be around $4500 and word on the street says it will sell for a nice premium also.
Heard about both gmt. And will definitely keen to see the tudor one is real person.
I would have went to the pelagos to do a compression m
Does the Rolex lume last longer ?
Sean G Hard to say which actually last longer. I will say that both of these newer lume formulas last longer than all previous versions and stay useful longer after a charge. Both will last all night. The Seiko’s lume being green is much brighter at any given time over the blue lume used in the Rolex. That’s because the human eye perceives the color green much better which is why they primarily use green in glow in the dark products. I like the blue that Rolex uses and it seems to last about the same amount of time, just not quite as bright.
evan h the new model of the MM300 has a new lume formula which does indeed last longer than the older MM300 and rolex sub
I think the MM300 is a better value. If you don't like the hardlex crystal it's simple just replace it with sapphire crystal when it comes time to service the watch. The new MM300 the SLA019 has sapphire crystal I'm sure you could use that on your MM300. Hopefully they make a black ceramic bezel instead of the green one and then you could add that also. That's what I'm planning on doing anyways if I still have my MM300 when it's time to service.
CLO27 No doubt the better value over a Rolex Sub, and many other brands for that matter. I will probably get a Sapphire crystal for my MM300. I still feel that Seiko should have included it on their top diver at this price point but it’s such a great watch that I was able to overlook this over-site. So it sounds like the new green dial model does have sapphire which should fit fine. Not sure I like the new versions color scheme. But I said that about the Rolex “Hulk” until I actually saw one firsthand. Maybe.
Rolex is much more expensive but there are many many cheaper watches with both ceramic insert and sapphire crystal. I love Seiko but they should step up their game a little.
New version of the marine master has both of these
New version has the Ceramic bezel and sapphire.... I personally like the old version. Ceramic bezel watches might not age as nicely, as the ceramic bezel will remain shiny while the rest of the watch patinas.
It just goes to show how good the MM 300 is for the price, if seiko improved the little down fall details of this watch could you imagine the end result.
Marco Castagnetti Seiko did finally go with a Sapphire crystal an Ceramic bezel insert on the limited SLA019J1. Refine the bracelet a bit and it would definitely be a Rolex Sub super competitor at half the price. Most Seiko fans do not like the dropping of the MM300 moniker in favor of the Prospex branding. The Hulk green dial with gold indices and green bezel combo is absolutely stunning in person.
@@SPQR-Z, thanks for the info yes your spot on the inprovements that you mentioned and the issue with the braclet, it's a real shame when living in the UK the seiko jdm models and limited editions are hard to veiw before making a purchase so the green version will unlikely never be viewed by me, for the record I actually own the original mm300 and for the price it's hard to beat.
I decided my heart. I will buy Seiko Marine Master SBDX001 within 2 months.
Love the no date sub. Just not the ceramic. 14060 all the way👌 That MM is the business. Shame it's been discontinued.
Alex H Kane As hardcore Rolex guy I started-out disliking the Ceramic when it first came out. But overtime it won me over and now I prefer it. Mostly I like the Maxi dial and upgraded bracelet. The Ceramic bezel looks great and better at resisting scratches but many still prefer the aluminum inserts.
Yes the Seiko MarineMaster SBDX017 is no more at least in name. Seiko has released a limited green (Hulk) version SLA019 that will probably evolve into the replacement for the MM300 at some point. The good news is it will have a Ceramic bezel and Sapphire. The bad news for some is the Seiko will rebrand the watch with the ProSpex X on the dial and loose the Marinemaster monicker. That is a huge deal for some hardcore Seiko guys.
evan h Interesting debate. I waited 14 months for a ceramic no date. Couldn't live with it. Lasted two weeks. Sold it and bought a second 14060. This time a 4 line with engraved rehaut (my 2line is a 1990) The ceramic bezel and the new design clasp couldn't compensate for the new chunky styling.
I guess I like the slim understated profile of a 14060/M. The only modern Rolex I currently own is the 39mm explorer. And I'm still not entirely convinced about that. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Appreciated 👍
Alex H Kane I like the old tapered lugs case same as you. Right now I am looking for a Seadweller 116600 Rehaut 40mm with the old style tapered case but with Maxi-dial and Ceramic bezel insert. It has the Glidelock and as with all Seadwellers no Cyclops for a cleaner look. The best of the Ceramic Subs but still the old school case. Only 2 years for that model and sure to become a very sought after Rolex Sub.
You have the best aluminum no-date Sub version with that 14060 Rehaut. I believe that the last year ones will be very collectible in the future. I recently picked up a couple last year 36mm Explorers MIB to save. Really good prices because most people want the 39mm. But to me the Explorers will always be the original 36mm versions. I heard many Rolex guys are adding the 36mm Explorer to their collections before the prices go back up. Back in early 2000’s there was a super-craze for the Exp-1’s, they where selling for way over list. Now it’s the Batman GMT. Some things never change.
evan h Hey buddy. Thought you might like to know I've picked up a MM300. 2016 very smart. Slight scuff on clasp. I have a new clasp on the way, but it's going on a Straposphere ISO strap anyway.
Oh, and a new 126660 Sea Dweller Deep Sea black dial. Possibly one of the first to get one in the UK 👌
Alex H Kane Very cool! It’s always nice to score some desired “precious”. You’ll love both these watches. Still wearing my MM300 and will probably do an update video soon. Been busy buying, selling and scheming for my next acquisitions lol.
I recently picked up my Seadweller 116600 Ceramic, finally. I also checked out the new SD red. That is one nice watch, your a lucky man. Again, congratulation on your pickups. You have great taste in watches.
If the main thing to talk about is the bracelet, then there is something wrong. Look at the frickin watch! I think it's hilarious when anyone talks about rolex they spend most of the time talking about how great the bracelet is.
i love it
rolex and seiko i’ll choose this sbdx017 because this watch is more super and nice than submariner
Seiko MM for me any day.
I've owned a sumo, owned an skx. Owned a Hulk sub for 5 years, and as a guy with a good sized wrist seeing the sub and the MM side by side makes me doubt wanting a MM. It seems alot bigger.
If you can pull off wearing a Sumo you can definitely wear the MM
My SKX looks bigger on the wrist than my MM300. It is a tall watch, but only 1.5mm taller than many out there. I love mine - lots of used bargains out there.
The MM has better wrist presence.. the Rolex has been copied by so many others that by non watch enthusiast point of view looks like an Invicta, Tissel, Armida and so on and on...
Why does every comparison video between watches have watches showing different times?
Ask yourself if you were offered either one of these for nothing which one would you have? thats the one to get.
The MM300; it's obviously the cooler watch. Now, if I knew what they were worth, the Rolex; that way, I could sell it, buy me an MM300, and pocket the difference.
The Seiko MM300 is a better designed (or perhaps more interesting) and “proper” tool watch. The fact that it’s cheaper is a bonus.
May I know your wrist size?
Lobo Siu 18.2 cm
These are the 2 watches im deciding between i like tke the inky dial of the rolex more but the wrist presence of the mm300 looks great on you.
I want a speedmaster then pick between these 2 tough decisions
Robert Spinks Ω Speedy, Sub, MM300, you have good taste. Tough choice between the two. The good news is you can’t go wrong which ever way you choose. Both excellent and top choices in divers. The Seiko dial is definitely more a charcoal matt grey. The Rolex a deep gloss black.
Personally I would always go Rolex Sub over the Seiko but then again I’m hardcore Rolex fanboy so quite bias. Pick the one that speaks to you most, can always change your mind and flip either one if needed. They both are hugely desirable.
Another great watch that I think people overlook but actually compares more directly with the Seiko MM300 is the Tudor Pelagos Submariner. At 41mm it has more size for added wrist presence. Slightly more $’s than the Seiko but way less than the Rolex. Check the great comparison by TH-camr: Jatthew Mackson. He shows a left hand wind version of the Pelagos but it comes with regular crown position. Good luck with your choice!
evan h thanks i will check it out
Thanks for the great response 👍
Robert Spinks, to me one issue with the MM300... is the Seiko Sumo. It is like its little brother but so close in many ways. Some small aspects are shaved off but as a complete watch for about 25% of the price, it offers so much value. If you are on the fence about the MM300, the Sumo might work for you.
Venus Dee great watch the sumo i had the blue but I sold it because i was going to get mm300 then decided to hold off, only negatives on the sumo was the blue wasnt my type of blue and the bezel numbers bit big sort of regretted selling but don’t think i’d rebuy.
Robert Spinks, I actually enjoy the bezel numbers on the Sumo as it makes it different. I guess it is a taste thing. I own the blue one and I think it looks really nice, though I can see maybe somebody prefering the black dial for more everyday use. I feel Seiko is its own worse enemy sometimes in that it offers so many great watches at every price point. If you own the MM300, there is no need to go to the Sumo but for those who want the same or similar style and do not want to spend so much, the value to the Sumo is just amazing. At the price point of the MM300, I would probably baby it a bit more and use it for more safe occasions. Lately I have been semi abusing my Sumo as I have been using it at work where it is at risk of getting scratches but I dont mind.
Seiko beautynes, nothing to do against
Gorgeous Seiko. I have a broad range of brands like you. But the sheer quantity and quality Seiko give you is fantastic. An honest brand at an honest price, in my opinion anyway.
kellypaws Couldn’t agree more. I’ve owned Seiko since the 80’s. Value and quality have always been there. Seiko/GrandSeiko is giving Rolex a run for their money especially when you look at quality vs $’s, plus they look so good. Rolex and Seiko are two brands you can’t go wrong with.
instead of making the watch wear smaller, i don't understand why they didn't just make the watch smaller!
42 diameter, 48-49 lug to lug, and a more reasonable 13 (or, dare i say it, thinner, slimmer 12 or slimmer profile... like how even some microbrands manage to do it, or the ole Seamaster did before it porked up), and bam, here's a smash hit (though taking into consideration 2020 Seiko, it would probably cost as much as a Submariner, lol)
praetor47 Agreed. Maybe tradition? Seiko Divers have never been small watches. But when they brought this watch back, 41-42mm and a slimmer profile would work better for a wider range of wearers. Watch manufacturers all jumped on the oversized watch craze. I think it’s run it’s course and hopefully watches return to more traditional sizes. 40-42mm for sport watches, 36-38 for dress watches
@@SPQR-Z yeah... i particularly don't understand the thickness of this thing. over 15mm for a 300m stainless steel watch is frankly pathetic in the 2010s, let alone now in the '20ies. there's a whole host of 11-12mm 200m divers, some are even 300m, and there's really no excuse going over 13mm unless you're packing some very serious movements in there (and i mean 5day power reserves, spring drives and the likes) or 1000m or wr (and even then... Benarus had a 13mm watch with 1000m... and that thing was 38mm! Sinn has a 2000m watch that's barely over 13mm... in 41mm and titanium!)
from the side it looks ugly, unbalanced... like a tumor. not "manly" at all (which is a pity, 'cause from the front it looks awesome. i'd probably even sell my Chopard to get one if it was more sensibly sized :D)
It's a dive watch. It's made for saturation diving, not cocktail parties. Also, it's actually, dial-wise, smaller than most Seiko divers, which makes it look thicker than it actually is. I love how mine feels and looks, and, I have relatively slender wrists, but, then, I'm a tool watch lover and hate light, wispy watches. However, if you're looking for a high end desk diver to go under your suit cuff, a 41mm Omega is your best bet.
@@varanid9 pathetic excuses for a badly designed watch. but that's expected from seiko fanboys. nearly 16mm for a WR of a mere 300m in the 21st century is a sign of incompetence, not skill
What's sad to me is the baby sized band on a 5 to 6 thousand dollars watch then you look at the lume and Seiko blinds you. I just can't justify that much money for a Rolex. The Seiko is a Tool !!!! Rolex is just jewelry and something for someone to say I've got a Rolex look at me. Myself I'll never pay that kind of money for a watch just to say I have it and never use it for what it's intended for.
CHRISTOPHER LILES 20mm bracelet on the Rolex is fine. The MM300 could probably use a 22mm. It’s a big heavy watch and many people have said it could use a wider bracelet to be more stable. I don’t mind the 20mm, it seems just fine IMO.
I agree with you about the Seiko divers. being a more functional and practical dive watches. Rolex has made the decision to go more upscale to capture the luxury watch buyers whom are more interested in status and fashion. The Submariners are a great dive watch for those that would wear it diving. They have a long history of making tool watches that are functional and hard wearing. Iv’e used my Subs snorkeling, swimming numerous times and never had an issue with them staying water tight. I trust them to function under just about any activity I may do. I don’t baby any of my sport watches. But yes I agree with you that most Rolex that are purchased nowadays never will see anything more than a shower or bath water. The new Submariners are $7500-9000 new so people tend to baby them. Iv’e been wearing the Seiko nonstop for nearly 8 weeks so I can do a update. Just love this watch
evan h. I hear ya. I know Rolex builds a Awesome Watch. But people are starting to have crazy problems with them and then they can't get Rolex parts unless the send the watch to Rolex. I hate when a company just controls there stuff just so they can make up the price for everything. I know Seiko is having some issues as well. Sounds like it's becoming wide spread in the watch industry. But so far I haven't heard anything crazy with Grand Seiko. In My Opinion !!! The High End Seiko JDM and Grand Seiko Watches are just hard to beat for the Money !!!! I will never justify spending Rolex Money for a Watch. I'm gonna have a hard time going over 6 to 8 grand. But I'm like everyone else I have my few will have one day watches. 😏 It is Amazing to watch a Grand Seiko being built by hand and everything involved with making it durable and perfect to look at. I've been shown some secret things about Rolex and 6 or 7 other watches. Then I was shown Grand Seiko and everything about them it's truly unbelievable the process to make it what they are. I believe watches are Absolutely Amazing tools and works of art in a lot of cases !!
Seiko (Grand or not, LE or not) bracelet is always an embarrassment at any price point.
thegreatgazoo I’ve gotten used to it and can appreciate the purpose built functionality. At this price point I think Seiko could give you a better bracelet than their lower priced offerings.
Spot on. I have a Grand Seiko spring drive and a Rolex Sub and the GS bracelet does not hold a candle again the Rolex. Even the fit and finish of the actual GS watch is slightly inferior to the Rolex. Only someone who own both Rolex and Seiko will admit the Rolex is the superior watch. Everyone else will usually hate on Rolex and tell you they are over-rated, until they finally own or hold one.
Dennis Chen, lol. Your right about Rolex haters. Rolex build quality is always just about perfect every time. They hold their value and the styling never goes out of style. I like the Seiko MM for the price but Rolex has been my go to brand and never regretted a Rolex purchase.
I find the MM300 bracelet quite comfortable. Yeah, the clasp is stamped but who can see that when it's fastened? It doesn't effect its functionality in any way. My Submariner's bracelet doesn't feel any better, although the clasp action is a dream. Most comfortable bracelet ever made is by Omega. Anyway, for my dive watches, I prefer rubber; what strap comes on my watches has never been a consideration for me because I'm one of those people who always have to meddle.
Dennis Chen I doubt that very much..the GS has a better finished case..and more contours. I have owned several examples of both brands.
44mm is not a large case size for a 7” wrist
It depends. I’m more old school where 40-41mm is the traditional size for a sport watch. Today’s watch guys like bigger case sizes like 42-46mm. Seiko aggressively beveled the case, keeps short lug to lug and uses a small dial on the MM300. This makes it wear smaller so people like me that prefer a smaller wearing watch can find it acceptable. Of course if your are the type that likes oversized watches then your probably fine with the 44mm case size. My Rolex Sky-Dweller with a 42mm case wears as big as this Seiko. It wears slightly on the big side
Bb
Not worth $2500 ... I also snoozed at 1800 but now it’s not worth it.
ripperx444 Definitely worth $1800. I paid 2k NIB and I feel lucky to have gotten it at that price. It hurts knowing I could have gotten one for 15-16 at one point. Oh well that’s this crazy hobby we’re in.
Now u can't get at this price anymore even used mm300.. cheapest can get is 3k
Like you I have a Rolex submariner and decided to get a Marine Master to late (can't find one anywhere now) as I think it's a great watch for the money. I ended up getting a blue Sumo which I love. The MM looks good on your wrist even though it is a big watch but I like big watches as I have a 8" wrist. You have made me start looking again now. Perhaps Seiko will bring another updated one out now with a sapphire glass but you can guarantee that the price will be much higher which is where they want to go in order to lift the brand.
Bryn Smart The Seiko has a totally different but unique vibe of its own. It does exude quality and the solid feel of a Rolex Sub. You probably get that with the Sumo also. I really like that watch also but it was a bit too big for me. It wears bigger than the MM300.
The replacement for the MarineMaster is a bit of a mixed bag. It does have a Sapphire crystal but Seiko went with the Hulk green color. It looks nice but some people will definitely prefer the traditional black dial/bezel of the SBDX017. Also I believe they have the Prospect branding on the dial now? These factors have been driving up the price on the MM300. It’s frustrating but you’ll find one if you keep looking. I just picked up another one NIB for $2200USD for future flipping. Good luck with your hunt. There’s always ebay. Everyone knocks it but I have found and bought a few watches there myself after knocking it for years lol.
The Rolex looks better on your wrist. The Seiko is a bit too large for you imo.
Yes I agree just on the edge of wearable for a 7” wrist. I prefer more traditional case sizes 40mm etc. People that like larger modern watch sizes will have no problem with this. Just personal preference
evan h Oh for sure. People wear grandfather clock sized cases on their wrists these days. I have a 7” wrist too and anything longer than a 46mm lug to lug starts to look a little off imo. The only big clock I would consider buying would be the planet ocean because I have yet to see a better looking watch.
Ggg
Get that Rolex pos out of the picture, it shouldn't be next to Seiko!
The Seiko is too bulky
Hand lotion
It's Seiko MM300 that gives value for money....looks head turner than that normal Rolex but overpriced....
Love my Seiko MM300 and, anymore, people look at you like you're a dumbfuck for wearing a Rolex. That being said, I have to confess, back when I had my Rolex Submariner, I wore it through all manner of jumps out of choppers, swims, fights and car wrecks (no, I'm not Bond, just an ex military idiot who had to learn things the hard way; sorry, didn't realize how all that would seem like until after I typed it, LOL) and the Submariner is truly one tough watch. The MM300, I understand, used to be a favorite among oil rig divers and such, but, I think the Submariner would have kept up with it through most typical dive situations.
varanid9 lol. It’s great to hear someone actually using a tool watch like the Rolly-Sub or Seiko MM300 for what it’s designed for. Never apologize for that. Too many buy these tool watches only to baby them, desk divers and posers. I never baby my watches. I don’t abuse them on purpose but I certainly don’t baby them. Scratches and dings gives a watch some character. It reminds you that this close personal item you wear on your wrist has been a companion with you on life’s journey. That it’s your watch and you have the battle marks to prove it. Military issued and tough tool watches have been a military tradition forever. Many Ex servicemen that are now caught up in this crazy hobby got their start by wearing those watches during service. Some are lucky enough to still have that watch they wore. Both these watches are winners. They are tough tool watches that can go the distance as well or better than anything on the market. I had a Submariner date that I wore hard for 17 years. I never even serviced it and It never missed a beat. I expect nothing less from this Seiko.
Thanks for the comments and thank you for your service to this country
@@SPQR-Z Thanks for the kind words. Actually USING your subby for all those years, you're one of the few who know what I mean. Being overly pragmatic, I eventually traded off the subby for the more current sapphire crystal GMT Master. Bad mistake; I found it overly well mannered and pompous for my tastes and soon traded it for a car, lol. I miss my Submariner; now that I collect, it makes me sad that I don't have the one watch that was with me through the formulative years of my life. Never sell yours if you can help it.
Both makers are over hyped and over priced. Seiko always cuts corners and can't keep proper time.
Sb Sb My MM300 keeps 4+ seconds per day which for an unregulated non chronometer movement is very acceptable. This older GS mechanical movement is capable of greater accuracy with regulation. On the other hand Iv’e heard that other Marinemaster 300 owners have had +10 seconds so it’s the luck of the draw when buying an unregulated watch. Seiko does offers great value at many price points. I agree that those looking for accuracy should be wearing a $100 Quartz.
As far as Rolex Sport watches. I agree they are hyped and expensive however they are also excellent, well made watches. They retain their value and even appreciate in value overtime. Rolex will continue to be #1 into the foreseeable future. I have never regretted a Rolex SS Sports watch purchase which is something I cannot say about other brands.
evan h hi Evan. Keep wearing it. Trust me. Not just the time keeping. Something else too will go wrong. Your watches are still new. It is too early for you to know.😃. I have had many experiences with Seiko. I'm an old man. 😃.
Had one of the first mm300 over 5 years.. It still did not need a service and settled at +5. Sold it and made a decent profit ... Cant complain
@@SPQR-Z my MM is a constant +4 as stated a non COSC watch for a fifth of the price .........
Sorry... different leagues. I've owned the Seiko and I have 8.25" wrists and its massive...needs to be sent to another continent for servicing, questionable quality control, no sapphire glass or ceramic bezel. Theres no overlooking its shortcomings and this is coming from someone who likes Seiko and isn't enamoured with Rolex🤔
Canada_watch It’s certainly a chunky watch. Size wise it wears smaller than watches with a smaller case diameter. Size tolerance it’s at my upper limit but I would say that because of the trend towards oversized watches many people will be able to wear this but yeah, you’ll have to be a big watch lover, that’s for sure.
In USA their are a couple options for basic serving. Repairs are back to Japan. Parts seem to be available through various outlets. As far as league with Rolex. The Submariner is in a league all it’s own. The Seiko is the top of Seiko’s range as far as it’s mechanical divers, until the Grand Seiko’s. Even though it has a totally different vibe I would say that it in it’s own way it is Seiko’s answer to the Rolex Sub. Agree build quality isn’t quite at the Rolex level and lacking the things you mention. Still at $2500 it is a very nice diver for the money. Especially if compared to many Swiss divers on the market. Just another option for those wanting something totally different. Very different and unique vibe to these Seiko’s compared to Swiss watches.
That's crazy. I only have 6.5 wrists and the mm300 fits me like a 42mm.. I guess thats because the bezel is 42mm and the case curves inward. I'm also 6'3 so maybe that offsets my slimmer wrists. Needless to say i love the 300.
On wrist these short comings are negligible when considering price point as well.The mm300 looks every bit the part.
Mine fits me like a glove- I love the mm300 and don’t find it too big despite having 7in wrists. I found it heavy early on but within 2-3 days I’d got used to it.
The servicing doesn’t bother me as I rarely own a watch 5-8 years but this may be a keeper... and I won’t mind paying a bit to send it back to Japan. Will give me an opportunity to wear some of my other watches for a change!
Canada_watch new Seiko MM300 models have a sapphire crystal with AR coating on the underside (unlike rolex), and a ceramic bezel with lume up to the 20 marker.