@@1NewsNZ Excuse me, will surveillance be increased on shady people in the country with all the p00 China and Russia are up to + shady people/groups they bribe/buy
I worked as a hydrologist for three different federal governments. This is NOT slash. These are trees that have been deliberately discarded because they were deemed to be too small to be profitable by the harvesters. Meanwhile, you and I are paying $350/cubic metre for firewood like this. There is a problem here, and it's the forestry industry in NZ. They are criminals.
@@lorrainerichardson3280Ha! Your joking aren't you? The most transparent and open govt that put gag orders on its ministers, 60yr non disclosure clauses, the last joker cited corporate sensitivity as the reason Kiwis can't see the contract govt signed with pfizzer
Seriously he barley scratched the surface, the guy hasn't got a clue! He is playing patty cake when he could really be exposing the truth! See my above comment above if you want to know.
@@matthornton44 Well John was fired because of John Key years ago and I guess it's made him careful. If JC could have gone in harder I believe he would have.
They knew this would happen since mid 1990s. I remember a lecturer telling me this back then. Exotic pines take nutrients out of the soil, create cavities for slips to initiate, large cavities can hide wasps, these nests can be many cubic meters inside some holes. Even if no wasps reside these are also hiding grounds for rats, rabbits etc. When water seeps in the hills collapse along with the trees, bring down the slash until then apparently hidden from the view of most, flushed down the rivers to the sea along with the soil, clays etc. Near permanent damage to the hydrology of our steeper land planted with P.radiata. Some literally disappears.
Yeah the pine tree farms for fresh air need to be reversed, plenty of fresh air , more mutton , spread the word! Real Farming much more realistic, food and jobs not fresh air and money for nothing Cher Digga
@rickh3714 have heard many intelligent people defend the extensive planting of radiata pine. Arguments never rang true for me. I just never had enough info to support my intuition. Now I do. Thank you !!
@@mattstewart376 Those ARE the slash ' remnants' (actually often also unprofitable large logs/even cut down trees included) . There's also the issue of fires that during dryer seasons need multiple helicopters with monsoon buckets. People in rural communities close to these large plantations will be familiar. IF they need to plant pine for the construction industry it has to be v.well thought out. Less steep slopes, not too close to rivers, or settlements & small towns where arson might be more likely. Nor too close to Native Bush/scrubland for wilding pines to take over. Gabrielle even knocked down (and stripped) 4000 hectares of Pinus radiata on flatter land near Taupo. The Monterey pine species natural range is on the West coast of the US at similar equivalent latitudes to Northern N.I. NZ.
Let's note that he is just on the ground in the area and not talking to actual people who understand the drivers in the forestry industry...... some aspects have been covered up as it would cause a riot / change of government if people actually new the truth
@@mattstewart376 - It is our 37 years addiction to 'for profit at least costs' neoliberal economics and governance that is causing the current environmental, economic, infrastructural and social mess we have today. Businesses will not take responsibility for any clean up, as it adds costs to their businesses. if they have to clean up their mess. Its the rate and tax payers pay for any clean up.
@@iagree5313The guy who ran tvNZ upto a few months ago was on a bonuses included NZD2 million pa salary, and as a public servant his pay increases had nowhere been inline with the public sector. The biggest pack of govt presstitutes
I read that two farmers were fined thousands of dollars for discharging effluent into a river. What is so different about slash? Its an industrial by product, a pollutant. It destroys waterside, and riverbed habitat not to mention the effect on our beaches. The forestry industry needs to factor in slash removal as a cost, it might see less of our lumber going cheaply offshore.
Hard to believe but its worse than effluent in the river! It destroys homes and commumities,it destroys peoples lives and families. It kills. It destroys the land. There is no upturn in the economy. What upturn? Dont listen to the pied piper. Population Zero.
Lol Iwi. No I'm referring to the forestry industry. You are referring to race. I'm sure the great protectors of the environment that Iwi are, they will be keen to contribute their fair share to clean up
If the government can't or won't help them......then we HAVE to. I don't know how, but they are OUR people down there. Isn't that what NZ is about? coming together and helping one another? I for one hope so.
I live in napier and government has always been by our side. They alerted most of us by text to evacuate to high grounds. They Sent in many helicopters for search and rescue. Offered shelter food and money to those affected including myself.
It is the Forestry plantation owners responsibility to clean up their mess not the rate and tax payers. The NACTs wont tell the plantation owners to clean up their mess, as it is against their 'for profit at least costs' neoliberal economic policies - the business knows better is more efficient..
Brilliant piece John. I knew you were here during Gabrielle, have been waiting for your story. It's an absolute tragedy here in Gisborne and the East Coast, and nobody is going to take the blame and fix it.
In the 80’s and 90’s you could get a key from your local council to drive a trailer into the forestry areas. You’d pay $60 and get a refund when you returned the key. Hundreds of people would take in chainsaws and take as much slash as you wanted for firewood. It really helped clean up the debris… until it was suddenly stopped because of safety and bureaucracy.
If you could get your trailer in; then the companies creating the slash could also. Instead they hand off their mess/problem to ratepayers and taxpayers.
Sad part logging comes under Worksafe rules which are added all the time as common sense no longer prevails?? So unless you have tickets you cant use a chainsaw in a closed forestry block. If someone slices themselves or a log falls on them all hell to pay? I knew a logging crew who got caught with 2 tree fellers with no tickets. Worksafe closed him down. He committed suicide not long after as he couldnt support his family & went broke?
Thank you John Campbell, your story telling and real hard hit journalism I grew up with is top tier. Come on forestry industry, sort your stuff out. We need to keep NZ and the families who are affected safe long term. It's always about money. The government should step up and fix the issues, then fine the absolute crap out of the forestry industry. Otherwise nothing will get done
Why on earth do the logging companies not take huge wood chippers up onto their skid sites, and turn all the slash into woodchip. There are landscaping companies who would be happy to take the stuff, and if they have to leave it behind, at least it won't do the damage that those big slash logs do.
Because that costs them money, in time spent not logging another area, transport with a different type of truck and equipment. Its capitalism, if its not profitable and they're not forced to do it, they won't do it.
pine chip is only good for playgrounds as it burns plants.pluss some one would need to pay to run and maintain chipers.there needs to be incentives or no one will do it.theres 20+ years off slash to clean up .even if every one in forestry was helping it would take 10+ years or more.
@@dancook6947 OK, how about laws that require logging companies to clean up after themselves, with massive fines if they fail to do so, and if the choose the fine rather than the clean-up, lumping them with the bill when slash causes the devastation it has.
I live in Palmerston North and travel to Wanganui, Levin, North of the Ruahine Ranges, Napier, Hastings and even as far as Herbertville. Myself and my work colleague see nothing but empty ranges with ZERO trees on most of the ranges. The only group of trees we see are mass pine for deforestation, ZERO diversity amongst trees. But it's all the piles of dead trunks and huge branches left behind. We say to each other, why can't people collect it to burn in their homes. We all know how much wood costs. The next time anyone takes a domestic flight have a good look at the ranges and try spot a healthy eco system. Have a good look at the ranges themselves and notice all the mass landslides due to their being no roots holding the soil together. Every bit of wood that's been washed up in the East Coast should be burned to keep families warm not piled up for a bon fire. Winter is Coming.
Here in Marlborough when Corporations clear land for their new Vineyards mountains of trees gets burned instead of to get used as fire wood for people in need. It's government fault and hypocrisy about carbon footprint, sustainability etc.
@@vaclavnovak7316 - Why is it government fault. The government doesn't own the forestry plantations. Its the responsibility of plantation owners to clean up their mess but they wont as it costs money and reduces their precious profits.
The government must fine the huge Japanese companies that own the forests in HB & Tairawhiti to cover all associated damaged measurably caused by logging slash. This is ecological destruction. Forestry makes billions each year, it can and must be made to pay to clean up the mess.
they used to do burns once they were finished in each area, but the greens sued them for millions in the early 2000's due to "Greenhouse gas pollution" now we have this issue to deal with
Japanese corporates only own about 4%. It's of course the USA which owns the lions share of our forestry. As well as Aus. Indonesia and Malaysia. All absentee owners!!!!!!!!! Our forests once belonged to NZ.
Philip Hope had a lot to say about Forestry being the largest industry in Tairawhiti. It has provided jobs, it has allowed the people to get educated, to get tertiary qualifications. Yeah right. Forestry was what had the land. What if there was a better use that didn’t lead to all the decline of the region? All those dilapidated buildings. All the logs going straight offshore and the profits going to big overseas companies. How did we let this happen to our country?
@@sixthsenseamelia4695 No parties hands are clean in this matter. This problem was allowed to happen under both parties watch. In particular I believe it was a greens sponsored bill that now prevents slash from being burned in place like it used to.
such an exceptional way of expressing this horrible situation; peeling the layers back for those like myself who are aware that bad practice is happening, but am cognitively dissonant to the situation.
If this happens in the East Coast, you have to solve the slash problem first because if you rebuild the infrastructure without solving the problem, the next major storm will just destroy the rebuilding attempts. Taking responsibility is garbage, you have brainstorm to get rid of the problem or drastically reduce it to a minimal event.
10:56 Sad reality is the growing demand and volume would eventually outstrip its supply and replant rate, turning more forestry into commercial for industrial crops. Borneo is one example with decades of logging and when the woods couldn't catch up the demand, they went for palm tree plantation. Awesome report John.
Mate this is a scene repeated throughout NZ, its absolute madness. Go to any forestry site in NZ and this is what you will see after harvest piles and piles of slash. Its a potentially massive problem waiting to happen. Its a huge waste of wood just left to create a problem for someone else to clean up, its like they dont care just get the logs and fuck the rubbish and fuck the roads just get logs.
@@RussellSchaare Erm schools, hospitals, .... BTW .... we ALL pay rates/taxes ffs. Your money isn't better than mine. My car does less wear and tear on our collectively owned infrastructure than a logging truck does. Companies even can claim those expenses back. Not me: rates? taxes? it's just a bill I pay.
@@chrismckellar9350 my point is we don't just cut and run with no contribution to road maintenance costs, as was implied above. A lot of the time we have to pay to maintain council roads too, so we pay twice.
Great journalistic reporting. Thank you. We live in a Hokianga Valley that has recently had the pines removed. Above rivers and bridges. When we walked up the hills after the trucks had taken away the last loads to the port we were absolutely disgusted by the amount of slash left. Just mind boggling. Whole trees scattered and in piles all over the land. There is so much slash to clear it would need thousands of $'s and weeks of work for a different land use so it's probable that it will be replanted again. Another disaster waiting to happen in the future. Why have they got away with this.
when i was a kid during the 1960-70's my family spent many years working & fishing around the Tutaekuri river we saw a many floods lots of silt would come down that river and a few trees but nothing anywhere near the mountains of timber coming down now
Jacinta's answer was more carbon credits and more pine trees. Should be millions of $ of fines. Common man is not even allowed access to cut fire wood in these areas?
While the situation is awful and the doco is fairly informative, at 17:44 we have a minister starting to explain what they think needs to be done but the doco quickly fades this out. Isn't the minister's viewpoint something that deserves more time so we can evaluate it better - we're asking for the government to provide a solution after all?
Slash took out bridges and infrastructure, not the water. Forestry needs to pay its way, pay big towards reconstruction, and finally use chippers to reduce slash to small chips. Forestry are profiteering from the NZ-owned forests. Sure there are a few jobs, but every year they're expecting taxpayers to put up with their mess and the damage they do. Additionally, where they clear fell needs to be assessed as it's possibly adding to the problem of landslides as well.
As a former consultant for a large American forestry company, it seems to me the solution is obvious and simple: Build more pulp mills and use the slash for paper production. Turn it into a valuable commodity. Otherwise, the slash just lies on the ground and decomposes, releasing CO2 into the atmosphere.
What about the erosion control though? You can't grow trees without top soil. Do you think continuing cable logging and planting pine in a monoculture is sustainable way to produce timber or the result of a short sighted whim that will no only wash out the fertility of the land but the industry itself? Being an ex consultant you should be aware that in this rapidly changing world, industry is beginning to think ahead a bit further than the yesteryears.
@@sambiwan-kanobi Of course I think planting monocultures of pine is one of the worst things happening in NZ, for many reasons. I hate to see it happening. But that was not the point of my comment.
@@sunjamrblues Excellent, just wanted to check and I'm sorry if I stepped off on the wrong foot. I agree that turning a waste material in to a commodity, as long as it's done with with care, can only be beneficial. I hope you have nice day.
The forestry industry should be made to pick every single piece of wood up from every where and pay all damages to homes and bridges and compensation paid to those affected by it.
Forestry should be allowed to burn their slash like they used to, before the greens banned it. Just like drain maintenance on farms now only 50m per year per drain is allowed. Opps flooding. The communists are great at sweeping environmental improvements. Like in China when they killed all the birds to save the wheat but then lost everything to insect damage; mass human famine. I predict the next green move will be to ban agriculture of any sort. perhaps we can resort to getting our food from the supermarket instead.
@@njm361 Don't you believe it. The left is well known for shooting themselves and everyone else in the foot. Actually if they bankrupted NZ they could jump in as a political saviour and then we have communism; yay, much death.
John would you like to see where 300,000 cub mtrs of New Zealand washed out to Dargaville was caused by a Forestry Road dumping water into Native Bush as a Drain took out a Hillside and dumped it into Opouteke River. I have the only access to these images you have not seen them anywhere else.
i logged for ten years in the bay of plenty, the slash can be cleaned up after logging no problem, but it cost money, its always about the money, profits are whats important to the forestry, its the world we live in, me,me,me
Our primary industries need to be seriously looked at in New Zealand and not just forestry, agriculture as well. For so long they have been allowed to pollute or environment and no one has spoken up in the mainstream media.
So much of NZ's countryside is an eyesore. I came across a picture of massive hillside erosion in NZ on Facebook. Everyone's response to that was to plant more pine trees.
Makes me sad that despite producing so much wood, good luck finding anything affordable made of solid wood here in NZ. Its all composite garbage, or excessively expensive as if pine was infused with gold. This is a paradise where the things we produce and the land itself are financially out of reach of the inhabitants.
Thanks John & all your guest, I found it very informative. I can't understand why they need another enquiry, led by a minister who seems to be to closely aligned with forestry industry & infact it was reported that he received financial support from the forestry industry to help fund his election campaign. I have to ask if Minister Nash is the most appropriate & qualified person to lead this enquiry under these horrific circumstances!
No one from Gisborne District Council checks that forestry are sticking to resource consents. No one does quality control checks on roading or drainage jobs done by their contractors either. Routine maintenance on stormwater drainage has been stopped hence roadside ditches are blocked with grass and weeds. When GDC admit they're at fault on multiple levels and appoint more people who actually do the work they're expected to do, will the situation change
When i worked for the NZFS in the 70,s-mid 80’s all the logged areas were burnt with controlled burnoffs in autumn so we could replant in winter so most slash was ash and carbon . Then the government sold everything offshore and the owners dont wont employ people to do pruning and other maintenance so no burning etc . Great forethought LABOUR, sell everything down the river followed by slash.
You speak as if National haven't already done the same. It's such a tragedy how many of our countries public assets have been sold to people who don't live here, our values are being replaced by those of the corporations that run these operations. Most of our banks are Australian, our power grid isn't ours, nor our internet, hell, Auckland hires a private company that has a quota of public assets it has to sell off every year to keep itself afloat. We're doing the equivalent of drilling for oil, burning the work done in the past to stay warm.
The issue here is cost, in particular the cost to harvest trees by forestry logging contractors. Relative to overall forest returns the price to cut down and process trees to load trucks of logs has increased significantly over recent years especially on difficult steep land common on many forestry sites across NZ and especially sites on the East Coast. Forest Owners want to maximize a return from their crop and forestry logging contractors are competing with each other to get the work especially to secure continuity of work to keep their staff employed over the long term. Log returns over time have been steadily rising but not in general great enough to offset growing costs. On some sites it close to or not profitable to cut down trees. While logging companies can remove or make less slash it will come at a much greater cost, cost that logging contractors will have to pass on to make a profit themselves. In a lot of cases there will be No return for the grower, in fact they risk facing a large bill. If this becomes a reality then No forest owner is going to harvest their trees. Why would they? The trees can remain standing quite happily for many years. That means the downward industry that the trees create will collapse. No jobs and massive layoffs over the whole sector. That’s the bottom line here. It’s all down to cost.
People should be given free access to forestry land to gather fire wood and even sell wood they collect from forestry skid sites . This would go along way to solving this problem of forestry slash . Most houses on the east coast have fire places to burn all this timber. It should be free access to the forest land
Forestry should be allowed to burn their slash like they used to, before the greens banned it. Just like drain maintenance on farms now only 50m per year per drain is allowed. Opps flooding. The communists are great at sweeping environmental improvements. Like in China when they killed all the birds to save the wheat but then lost everything to insect damage; mass human famine. I predict the next green move will be to ban agriculture of any sort. perhaps we can resort to getting our food from the supermarket instead.
@mattyallen3396 why are you commenting on my post? I'm talking about the mess it's made, not the type of wood. Got nothing nice to say stay off my post
Nor their climate change policies which are the driving force behind mass pine forest plantations. Carbon credits for overseas owners of these forests as well. It's hideous.
I blame the Health & Safety, Environment Act. Years ago forestry allowed people to collect slash for firewood! That FREE firewood concept removed all this rubbish. Now home fires are practically banned and slash cutting& collecting is banned because the general public can no longer be trusted using chainsaws apparently. Our favourite thing to do in Bureaucracy NZ is stop people and ban everything
I agree with you in principle however a lot of these sites are so remote it is not practical for people to travel those distances let alone collect the massive amounts of wood required to get rid of this problem. If it gets burned in place or it rots the similar CO2 is going up in the atmosphere so why not allow access to the people so they could at least make use of its energy. Bureaucracy has overtaken common sense.
12:55 John - please come up to Northland and witness what cuttings pine plants have done. This is not Carbon Credits this is Mountains of Hillsides washing out to sea - New Zealand needs a 9.9 Earthquake to lift the land and replace what we have lost in the last 30 days.
@@Peter_Pepper_Love people are reeling man, that’s a pretty huge expectation from people who are really just needing love. I give it to anyone suffering, with no expectation back. Sending it to you to, respectfully I feel you need it 💙
@@Peter_Pepper_Love that’s understandable 🙏🏼 there’s not enough love out there huh! Much love to you and your whānau I hope you’re well and safe wherever you are nga mihi 💙
The forestry companies are able to transport the loges down to 'flat land' therefore they are able to bring the slash down AS WELL. With a little bit of thought someone will find a use for it when it is so accessable. At least the folks in low lands will not be PAYING FOR IT, SOMETIMES WITH THEIR LIVES. TIME FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO ACT and ACT NOW!
@@MattStrike There's no media in New xiland, only a govts presstitutes collective. 'We are your only reliable 'sauce' on the truth'. The last guy to run tvNZ was on a bonuses included NZD2 million salary pa, and as a public servant his pay rises had nowhere near been inline with the public sector. The new joker whose been in for a few months would be on the same, and as a govt employee it's criminal they get anything near that kind of hay. Just saying m8
This is actually a simple fix, Wales alredy does this and they dealt with their wood slash ... Wood burning for Power, USe all slash to operate .. Power for locals, Clean Land afetr forestry workers beside s They get money for Power supply of selling said slash who in turn Customers woudl pay for power... Why are we not Looking at Wales as A guide to deal to slash than passing teh buck and Excuses when We wanting a better tomorow for the next generation.
They used to until the greenies got all up and arms about it. People used to be able to cut it up for firewood as well until heath and safety changed that
Correct me if i am wrong but wasn't it a change in legislation that prevents forestry from burning slash in place now? I think the legislation was wanting to prevent more CO2 in the atmosphere by preventing burning in place? However when these logs rot they will release very similar amounts of CO2 as if they were burned except if they were burnt we wouldn't have the massive slash damage problem. It would have been good if Mr. Campbell had looked deeper into the government legislation changes that allowed this to happen. Forestry plays a part in this mess however I don't believe they are solely to blame. I agree that it is not the people on the ground that are getting rich through forestry, its the massive overseas corps. that have been allowed to buy in and operate here. Much respect to the hard working forestry workers who work in difficult conditions to provide for their families. However the massive mono culture planting of forestry has never been good for our land or for allowing the people to thrive.
An actually well-done doco by John without the woke stuff. When he does his actual job he's really good. Knows how fight for the small guy, always has empathy etc etc,
The scale of this destructive pollution is staggering. It is shameful that forestry plantation was presented as the solution to reduce soil erosion and potential flood damage when its core objective was exporting clear felled timber. Planting native forests is the obvious solution. That should have been done after Bola. It definitively needs to happen now. Id like to see the forestry industry commit to this work and be a leader in making it happen.
It is time to read and heed “The Forest Farmer’s Handbook” by Orville Camp I personally witnessed the critical failure, of the forest management practices inflicted on the environment and people of Southern Oregon and Northern California.
Welcome back John, good work with your doco. I voted for Mr Nash and quite frankly his response is weak as pi**. If he wants my vote again he'll need to stop walking on eggshells for the forestry industry and get them into a room to answer questions, open to the public. If these forestry company CEOs had any mana they'd front up and say something, gutless bastards.
@@Kaboomnz That clown is only highlighting what has happened previously but nothing was done about it. Gee whizz it's like they actually give themselves the ability to think for you.
There is money in wood chips. Would it be feasible for every forestry company to have fleets of wood chippers on site to remove the slash as they clear fell the areas? Or is that in the too hard basket. I'm sure there would be a market for it and even export.
Sadly the generations before us only thought of themselves, only thought in the moment of that time, on quite a greedy basis.. They never considered us, they (or, our own older generations) sold our lands for financial gain, for personal benefit.. The boomer generation was the worst for this.. Its a generational/social issue, and we as the younger generations will now have to live with the mistakes of our ancestors.. We, as the younger generation have every right to pass judgement on the older generation for what they have done to us..
True. The background is 40 years of he neoliberal economic era. The philosophy of greed is great, the more wealth you get from others the more you are to be admired. Reality has arrived and the bill is being delivered by an abused planet. We have to change.
The classic cry of “Minister” and you can literally see him trying to melt into the car. Well done. There Will unfortunately be many more events like this. Our rivers in the Wairarapa have been heavily restricted on how much gravel can be taking out for years. The gravel height is getting closer to the stop banks and one day they will burst. Regional councils and govt have made to many decisions from the office rather than with their gumboots on.
What has/is happening regarding forestry in nz, seriously needs urgent attention. Not enough being done to eradicate this awful problem. Really tragic for communities.
The slash that came down from forestry could probably keep the whole of NZ in Firewood for about 2 years.. The overseas companies who OWN the rights to forestry in NZ have to be taken to task about cleaning up the slash as the trees are felled... Chip the extra branches, so some trucks come away with logs and others with wood chips. Wood Chips are an exportable commodity. We don't have a pulp and paper industry anymore, which is a pity. Maybe NZ needs to look at producing paper again.
Hard to understand why the forestry industry doesn’t chip the wood and manufacture other wood products for NZ instead of allowing this to happen over and over. They need to clean up this mess and be held financially responsible for the damage!
Thanks John, now I understand how this even happens at all. I couldn't believe it when I first saw the photos and videos. Now it makes sense. Definitely shameful behaviour by logging firms. Agreed with the Maori lady about slip prone areas being planted in permanent natives not pine crops. This must be fixed.
Excellent and moving doco. Can only hope there is a concerted and well informed effort to remedy the issues.
Thank you for watching. We hope so too.
@@1NewsNZWhat about a well informed concerted effort about the total lies told about the concoction they passed off as a vaccine?
@@1NewsNZ You're copping out. Nothing's happened, so you'll have to take matters into your own hands and let the pollies scream.
Why isn't it being broadcast on television. Few New Zealanders will see this.
@@1NewsNZ Excuse me, will surveillance be increased on shady people in the country with all the p00 China and Russia are up to + shady people/groups they bribe/buy
I worked as a hydrologist for three different federal governments. This is NOT slash. These are trees that have been deliberately discarded because they were deemed to be too small to be profitable by the harvesters. Meanwhile, you and I are paying $350/cubic metre for firewood like this. There is a problem here, and it's the forestry industry in NZ. They are criminals.
Thank you 1News for keeping your comment section open mad respect!
John you are always the one who cuts to the chase. Keep on this one please as forestry companies have a huge amount to answer for. Nga mihi.
The government has a lot to answer for....stupid policy, ineffective version and regulation , replacing farms with forests
@@290xford it's been going on for years so it's progressive governments, not this one. Hopefully this one will begin to sort it out.
@@lorrainerichardson3280Ha! Your joking aren't you? The most transparent and open govt that put gag orders on its ministers, 60yr non disclosure clauses, the last joker cited corporate sensitivity as the reason Kiwis can't see the contract govt signed with pfizzer
Refreshing to see John Camble going after real issues in a long format finally!
Seriously he barley scratched the surface, the guy hasn't got a clue! He is playing patty cake when he could really be exposing the truth! See my above comment above if you want to know.
@@matthornton44 he's making a good start.
It would be great if he would follow up with more of the truth. 👍🏽
@@matthornton44 true.. just so used to the terrible standards of MSM NZ that this was refreshing but still sub par. true
@@matthornton44 Well John was fired because of John Key years ago and I guess it's made him careful. If JC could have gone in harder I believe he would have.
@@Kaboomnz very true!
They knew this would happen since mid 1990s. I remember a lecturer telling me this back then. Exotic pines take nutrients out of the soil, create cavities for slips to initiate, large cavities can hide wasps, these nests can be many cubic meters inside some holes. Even if no wasps reside these are also hiding grounds for rats, rabbits etc. When water seeps in the hills collapse along with the trees, bring down the slash until then apparently hidden from the view of most, flushed down the rivers to the sea along with the soil, clays etc. Near permanent damage to the hydrology of our steeper land planted with P.radiata. Some literally disappears.
Exactly. They need to restore the native plantings in this area... 🙆🏻♀️
Why are most of the logs have cuts on them? ...........
Yeah the pine tree farms for fresh air need to be reversed, plenty of fresh air , more mutton , spread the word! Real Farming much more realistic, food and jobs not fresh air and money for nothing
Cher Digga
@rickh3714 have heard many intelligent people defend the extensive planting of radiata pine. Arguments never rang true for me. I just never had enough info to support my intuition. Now I do. Thank you !!
@@mattstewart376
Those ARE the slash ' remnants' (actually often also unprofitable large logs/even cut down trees included) .
There's also the issue of fires that during dryer seasons need multiple helicopters with monsoon buckets. People in rural communities close to these large plantations will be familiar.
IF they need to plant pine for the construction industry it has to be v.well thought out. Less steep slopes, not too close to rivers, or settlements & small towns where arson might be more likely. Nor too close to Native Bush/scrubland for wilding pines to take over.
Gabrielle even knocked down (and stripped) 4000 hectares of Pinus radiata on flatter land near Taupo. The Monterey pine species natural range is on the West coast of the US at similar equivalent latitudes to Northern N.I. NZ.
Thank god for you John, one of the few NZ journalists who gets to the nitty gritty and gives a voice to the under dog.
It's not about the journalists, it's about directors of media. $$$
Let's note that he is just on the ground in the area and not talking to actual people who understand the drivers in the forestry industry...... some aspects have been covered up as it would cause a riot / change of government if people actually new the truth
@@mattstewart376 - It is our 37 years addiction to 'for profit at least costs' neoliberal economics and governance that is causing the current environmental, economic, infrastructural and social mess we have today. Businesses will not take responsibility for any clean up, as it adds costs to their businesses. if they have to clean up their mess. Its the rate and tax payers pay for any clean up.
@@chrismckellar9350 well said 👍
@@iagree5313The guy who ran tvNZ upto a few months ago was on a bonuses included NZD2 million pa salary, and as a public servant his pay increases had nowhere been inline with the public sector. The biggest pack of govt presstitutes
I read that two farmers were fined thousands of dollars for discharging effluent into a river. What is so different about slash? Its an industrial by product, a pollutant. It destroys waterside, and riverbed habitat not to mention the effect on our beaches. The forestry industry needs to factor in slash removal as a cost, it might see less of our lumber going cheaply offshore.
Hard to believe but its worse than effluent in the river! It destroys homes and commumities,it destroys peoples lives and families. It kills. It destroys the land. There is no upturn in the economy. What upturn? Dont listen to the pied piper. Population Zero.
You're pointing the finger at iwi who control the vast majority of forestry
@@lyricallyunwaxable1234 No they're not. Reread their comment.
@@Mel-qr5ob You're talking about taking away profits from them expecting them to do more. Simple
Lol Iwi. No I'm referring to the forestry industry. You are referring to race. I'm sure the great protectors of the environment that Iwi are, they will be keen to contribute their fair share to clean up
This guy's voice has been in parts of background of my entire life, fantastic guy and love to hear him tackling good questions today
If the government can't or won't help them......then we HAVE to. I don't know how, but they are OUR people down there. Isn't that what NZ is about? coming together and helping one another? I for one hope so.
Or did the government cause it?
I live in napier and government has always been by our side. They alerted most of us by text to evacuate to high grounds. They Sent in many helicopters for search and rescue. Offered shelter food and money to those affected including myself.
Lucky you weren’t listening to 1ZB!
It is the Forestry plantation owners responsibility to clean up their mess not the rate and tax payers. The NACTs wont tell the plantation owners to clean up their mess, as it is against their 'for profit at least costs' neoliberal economic policies - the business knows better is more efficient..
@@chrismckellar9350 so true. Not 1 politician will stand up to the overseas investors on our behalf.
Brilliant piece John. I knew you were here during Gabrielle, have been waiting for your story. It's an absolute tragedy here in Gisborne and the East Coast, and nobody is going to take the blame and fix it.
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jc is one of the biggest govt suxholes around
In the 80’s and 90’s you could get a key from your local council to drive a trailer into the forestry areas. You’d pay $60 and get a refund when you returned the key. Hundreds of people would take in chainsaws and take as much slash as you wanted for firewood. It really helped clean up the debris… until it was suddenly stopped because of safety and bureaucracy.
The nanny state strikes again. I surprised they don't stop kids walking to school in case they stub their toe.
If you could get your trailer in; then the companies creating the slash could also.
Instead they hand off their mess/problem to ratepayers and taxpayers.
@@uhtred7860 The nanny state took care of that yrs ago under the guise of "stranger danger"... fear works a treat, they know this.
Sad part logging comes under Worksafe rules which are added all the time as common sense no longer prevails?? So unless you have tickets you cant use a chainsaw in a closed forestry block. If someone slices themselves or a log falls on them all hell to pay? I knew a logging crew who got caught with 2 tree fellers with no tickets. Worksafe closed him down. He committed suicide not long after as he couldnt support his family & went broke?
Corruption and waste seem to be embedded in the “system”.
Jesus - this is the most refreshing piece of TVNZ coverage I’ve seen in a LOOOOOONG time
Thank you John Campbell, your story telling and real hard hit journalism I grew up with is top tier. Come on forestry industry, sort your stuff out. We need to keep NZ and the families who are affected safe long term. It's always about money. The government should step up and fix the issues, then fine the absolute crap out of the forestry industry. Otherwise nothing will get done
Thank you John for highlighting this. Please keep reporting and holding the industry to account.
Why on earth do the logging companies not take huge wood chippers up onto their skid sites, and turn all the slash into woodchip. There are landscaping companies who would be happy to take the stuff, and if they have to leave it behind, at least it won't do the damage that those big slash logs do.
Because that costs them money, in time spent not logging another area, transport with a different type of truck and equipment. Its capitalism, if its not profitable and they're not forced to do it, they won't do it.
pine chip is only good for playgrounds as it burns plants.pluss some one would need to pay to run and maintain chipers.there needs to be incentives or no one will do it.theres 20+ years off slash to clean up .even if every one in forestry was helping it would take 10+ years or more.
@@dancook6947 OK, how about laws that require logging companies to clean up after themselves, with massive fines if they fail to do so, and if the choose the fine rather than the clean-up, lumping them with the bill when slash causes the devastation it has.
I live in Palmerston North and travel to Wanganui, Levin, North of the Ruahine Ranges, Napier, Hastings and even as far as Herbertville.
Myself and my work colleague see nothing but empty ranges with ZERO trees on most of the ranges. The only group of trees we see are mass pine for deforestation, ZERO diversity amongst trees.
But it's all the piles of dead trunks and huge branches left behind. We say to each other, why can't people collect it to burn in their homes. We all know how much wood costs.
The next time anyone takes a domestic flight have a good look at the ranges and try spot a healthy eco system.
Have a good look at the ranges themselves and notice all the mass landslides due to their being no roots holding the soil together.
Every bit of wood that's been washed up in the East Coast should be burned to keep families warm not piled up for a bon fire.
Winter is Coming.
Exactly. 😔🙏🏾❤️🌿🙆🏻♀️
Here in Marlborough when Corporations clear land for their new Vineyards mountains of trees gets burned instead of to get used as fire wood for people in need. It's government fault and hypocrisy about carbon footprint, sustainability etc.
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@@vaclavnovak7316 - Why is it government fault. The government doesn't own the forestry plantations. Its the responsibility of plantation owners to clean up their mess but they wont as it costs money and reduces their precious profits.
Great doco John and the team, gonna be interesting how this whole debacle will play out in the next 10-15 years.
Good to see your still covering the important stories John.
John never lets us down he is the best reporter Aotearoa has ever had
Nicky Hager???
@@gfrizzleshizzlemanizzle never heard of him tbh..pretty sure most of new zealand knows who John is
You mean New Zealand?
No zilun never heard of such a place sounds made up but AOTEAROA now that sounds like a place you’d like
The government must fine the huge Japanese companies that own the forests in HB & Tairawhiti to cover all associated damaged measurably caused by logging slash. This is ecological destruction. Forestry makes billions each year, it can and must be made to pay to clean up the mess.
they used to do burns once they were finished in each area, but the greens sued them for millions in the early 2000's due to "Greenhouse gas pollution" now we have this issue to deal with
You can't fine them when they haven't done anything illegal.
Japanese corporates only own about 4%. It's of course the USA which owns the lions share of our forestry. As well as Aus. Indonesia and Malaysia. All absentee owners!!!!!!!!!
Our forests once belonged to NZ.
@@mikebarker6979well then they should make it illegal
@@njm361 exactly
Philip Hope had a lot to say about Forestry being the largest industry in Tairawhiti. It has provided jobs, it has allowed the people to get educated, to get tertiary qualifications. Yeah right. Forestry was what had the land. What if there was a better use that didn’t lead to all the decline of the region? All those dilapidated buildings. All the logs going straight offshore and the profits going to big overseas companies. How did we let this happen to our country?
By voting National.
Thanks Shon Key.
@@sixthsenseamelia4695 No parties hands are clean in this matter. This problem was allowed to happen under both parties watch. In particular I believe it was a greens sponsored bill that now prevents slash from being burned in place like it used to.
@@michaelferguson651wrong. The US mulch it
@@michaelferguson651it’s not rocket science
@@thevalleygate625
Its our fault. For voting for them. (Any party, take your pick).
such an exceptional way of expressing this horrible situation; peeling the layers back for those like myself who are aware that bad practice is happening, but am cognitively dissonant to the situation.
If this happens in the East Coast, you have to solve the slash problem first because if you rebuild the infrastructure without solving the problem, the next major storm will just destroy the rebuilding attempts.
Taking responsibility is garbage, you have brainstorm to get rid of the problem or drastically reduce it to a minimal event.
Thankyou, finally some honesty coming from our media!
10:56 Sad reality is the growing demand and volume would eventually outstrip its supply and replant rate, turning more forestry into commercial for industrial crops. Borneo is one example with decades of logging and when the woods couldn't catch up the demand, they went for palm tree plantation. Awesome report John.
Mate this is a scene repeated throughout NZ, its absolute madness. Go to any forestry site in NZ and this is what you will see after harvest piles and piles of slash. Its a potentially massive problem waiting to happen. Its a huge waste of wood just left to create a problem for someone else to clean up, its like they dont care just get the logs and fuck the rubbish and fuck the roads just get logs.
Forest owners pay rates for 25 - 30 years with little to no traffic generated by the block. Where does this money go?
@@RussellSchaare - What is your point?
@@RussellSchaare Erm schools, hospitals, .... BTW .... we ALL pay rates/taxes ffs.
Your money isn't better than mine. My car does less wear and tear on our collectively owned infrastructure than a logging truck does.
Companies even can claim those expenses back. Not me: rates? taxes? it's just a bill I pay.
@@chrismckellar9350 my point is we don't just cut and run with no contribution to road maintenance costs, as was implied above. A lot of the time we have to pay to maintain council roads too, so we pay twice.
gather those and use as firewood, or pass a law that obliges the wood industry to chop down all the remaining wood into small woodchips
According to Mr Nash only 40% of wood debris washed down in the cyclone was from forestry. Cant see the wood for the trees.
So we should sting them with 40% of the clean up and rebuild then... last I checked that would be about $13 billion...
Some questions John forgot to mention was is it a government law, economic incentives etc.
Happened in Marahau, Nelson a few years ago. If they did something about it then, lives could have been saved this time
It's happening in the Waikato too. And the district council is ignoring it. Their answer is it's a normal byproduct of logging.
Great journalistic reporting. Thank you. We live in a Hokianga Valley that has recently had the pines removed. Above rivers and bridges. When we walked up the hills after the trucks had taken away the last loads to the port we were absolutely disgusted by the amount of slash left. Just mind boggling. Whole trees scattered and in piles all over the land. There is so much slash to clear it would need thousands of $'s and weeks of work for a different land use so it's probable that it will be replanted again. Another disaster waiting to happen in the future. Why have they got away with this.
so much free firewood going to waste, how many of our older/less forturnate families could use that this coming winter.
Amen and Thank you 🙏 John ❤for speaking for the people
when i was a kid during the 1960-70's my family spent many years working & fishing around the Tutaekuri river we saw a many floods
lots of silt would come down that river and a few trees but nothing anywhere near the mountains of timber coming down now
Jacinta's answer was more carbon credits and more pine trees.
Should be millions of $ of fines. Common man is not even allowed access to cut fire wood in these areas?
Really brilliant piece. Truly shocking stuff.
While the situation is awful and the doco is fairly informative, at 17:44 we have a minister starting to explain what they think needs to be done but the doco quickly fades this out. Isn't the minister's viewpoint something that deserves more time so we can evaluate it better - we're asking for the government to provide a solution after all?
Media is Minister. Media will not question the government or the minister. That's why few Kiwis trust main stream media.
Slash took out bridges and infrastructure, not the water.
Forestry needs to pay its way, pay big towards reconstruction, and finally use chippers to reduce slash to small chips.
Forestry are profiteering from the NZ-owned forests. Sure there are a few jobs, but every year they're expecting taxpayers to put up with their mess and the damage they do.
Additionally, where they clear fell needs to be assessed as it's possibly adding to the problem of landslides as well.
30 years ago as students we thought oh no pines not the answer and sure enough … great doco thanks
Sounds like there are a lot of forestry company executives need to be jailed for the scale of damage their reckless business practices have caused.
Seems so. The mining execs run away,too.Accountability?
As a former consultant for a large American forestry company, it seems to me the solution is obvious and simple: Build more pulp mills and use the slash for paper production. Turn it into a valuable commodity. Otherwise, the slash just lies on the ground and decomposes, releasing CO2 into the atmosphere.
What about the erosion control though? You can't grow trees without top soil. Do you think continuing cable logging and planting pine in a monoculture is sustainable way to produce timber or the result of a short sighted whim that will no only wash out the fertility of the land but the industry itself? Being an ex consultant you should be aware that in this rapidly changing world, industry is beginning to think ahead a bit further than the yesteryears.
@@sambiwan-kanobi Of course I think planting monocultures of pine is one of the worst things happening in NZ, for many reasons. I hate to see it happening. But that was not the point of my comment.
@@sunjamrblues Excellent, just wanted to check and I'm sorry if I stepped off on the wrong foot. I agree that turning a waste material in to a commodity, as long as it's done with with care, can only be beneficial. I hope you have nice day.
The forestry industry should be made to pick every single piece of wood up from every where and pay all damages to homes and bridges and compensation paid to those affected by it.
Forestry should be allowed to burn their slash like they used to, before the greens banned it. Just like drain maintenance on farms now only 50m per year per drain is allowed. Opps flooding.
The communists are great at sweeping environmental improvements. Like in China when they killed all the birds to save the wheat but then lost everything to insect damage; mass human famine.
I predict the next green move will be to ban agriculture of any sort. perhaps we can resort to getting our food from the supermarket instead.
@@spudpud-T67doubt it, agriculture is a big income for nz they can’t ban it
@@njm361 Don't you believe it. The left is well known for shooting themselves and everyone else in the foot. Actually if they bankrupted NZ they could jump in as a political saviour and then we have communism; yay, much death.
Get the farmers to come and pick up their silt from the Esk valley while you're at it.
Great Job John........Slash broke the bridges not the water......
Nash sounds like he works for the forestry companies, not the people of New Zealand. He needs to go.
£130+ a cubic ton bag for fire wood in the UK last time I purchased a few years ago! I see a lot of free resources for decades!
John would you like to see where 300,000 cub mtrs of New Zealand washed out to Dargaville was caused by a Forestry Road dumping water into Native Bush as a Drain took out a Hillside and dumped it into Opouteke River.
I have the only access to these images you have not seen them anywhere else.
Mate put them online and get the word out
@@NathanMcClintock I only have email available because I get blocked everywhere else.
Another example of big industry taking indigenous people for a ride.
Does anyone have the testicular fortitude to name the logging companies and which country they are from?
i logged for ten years in the bay of plenty, the slash can be cleaned up after logging no problem, but it cost money, its always about the money, profits are whats important to the forestry, its the world we live in, me,me,me
Our primary industries need to be seriously looked at in New Zealand and not just forestry, agriculture as well. For so long they have been allowed to pollute or environment and no one has spoken up in the mainstream media.
Excellent story.
Thank you for showing us!
Thanks for listening!
@@1NewsNZIs the head of tvNZ on a NZD2 million pa bonuses included salary like the last joker? Of course he is, got to pay off the govt mouth piece
Spectacular journalism! Well done John,
He's one of the biggest phoneys round, one of the biggest govt suxholes ever besides simon shallow and wendy putrige
So much of NZ's countryside is an eyesore. I came across a picture of massive hillside erosion in NZ on Facebook. Everyone's response to that was to plant more pine trees.
Makes me sad that despite producing so much wood, good luck finding anything affordable made of solid wood here in NZ. Its all composite garbage, or excessively expensive as if pine was infused with gold. This is a paradise where the things we produce and the land itself are financially out of reach of the inhabitants.
love you JC , you are such a good bloke
Thanks John & all your guest, I found it very informative. I can't understand why they need another enquiry, led by a minister who seems to be to closely aligned with forestry industry & infact it was reported that he received financial support from the forestry industry to help fund his election campaign. I have to ask if Minister Nash is the most appropriate & qualified person to lead this enquiry under these horrific circumstances!
Slash Nash ....he couldn't organise a p!$$ up in a brewery
Informative and interesting. Well-presented as well. Best to NZ from AU
Did you see friendlyjordies piece on NSW native logging destruction today? Horrendous.
We need to remove slash cut it up for fire wood. I'll buy it.
Someone must of known what would happen the nxt cyclone.. food for thought
or chip it
No one from Gisborne District Council checks that forestry are sticking to resource consents. No one does quality control checks on roading or drainage jobs done by their contractors either. Routine maintenance on stormwater drainage has been stopped hence roadside ditches are blocked with grass and weeds. When GDC admit they're at fault on multiple levels and appoint more people who actually do the work they're expected to do, will the situation change
Follow the money
New World order agenda 20/30.
@@Nikki-pf2se Perhaps you should actually read Agenda 2030.
Council were offered a good system to monitor what the forestry companies were doing using drones but council said nah
When i worked for the NZFS in the 70,s-mid 80’s all the logged areas were burnt with controlled burnoffs in autumn so we could replant in winter so most slash was ash and carbon . Then the government sold everything offshore and the owners dont wont employ people to do pruning and other maintenance so no burning etc . Great forethought LABOUR, sell everything down the river followed by slash.
So the fix for climate change according to the forestry companies is to burn a few million tonnes of wood.... yeah... nah
You speak as if National haven't already done the same. It's such a tragedy how many of our countries public assets have been sold to people who don't live here, our values are being replaced by those of the corporations that run these operations. Most of our banks are Australian, our power grid isn't ours, nor our internet, hell, Auckland hires a private company that has a quota of public assets it has to sell off every year to keep itself afloat. We're doing the equivalent of drilling for oil, burning the work done in the past to stay warm.
Wow how very sad. Great doco and a lot to think about here.
The issue here is cost, in particular the cost to harvest trees by forestry logging contractors. Relative to overall forest returns the price to cut down and process trees to load trucks of logs has increased significantly over recent years especially on difficult steep land common on many forestry sites across NZ and especially sites on the East Coast. Forest Owners want to maximize a return from their crop and forestry logging contractors are competing with each other to get the work especially to secure continuity of work to keep their staff employed over the long term. Log returns over time have been steadily rising but not in general great enough to offset growing costs. On some sites it close to or not profitable to cut down trees. While logging companies can remove or make less slash it will come at a much greater cost, cost that logging contractors will have to pass on to make a profit themselves. In a lot of cases there will be No return for the grower, in fact they risk facing a large bill. If this becomes a reality then No forest owner is going to harvest their trees. Why would they? The trees can remain standing quite happily for many years. That means the downward industry that the trees create will collapse. No jobs and massive layoffs over the whole sector. That’s the bottom line here. It’s all down to cost.
Make it happen I say !
People should be given free access to forestry land to gather fire wood and even sell wood they collect from forestry skid sites . This would go along way to solving this problem of forestry slash . Most houses on the east coast have fire places to burn all this timber. It should be free access to the forest land
Didn't they used to burn slash? why did that stop?
I think there are UK power stations that do it. But no idea why we stopped.
Because it’s Environmental unfriendly
Same amount of Carbon is released whether it's burnt or it rots appoarantly
Forestry should be allowed to burn their slash like they used to, before the greens banned it. Just like drain maintenance on farms now only 50m per year per drain is allowed. Opps flooding.
The communists are great at sweeping environmental improvements. Like in China when they killed all the birds to save the wheat but then lost everything to insect damage; mass human famine.
I predict the next green move will be to ban agriculture of any sort. perhaps we can resort to getting our food from the supermarket instead.
Greta cries if you light fires.
Great doco Mr Campbell. I hope we get some positive outcomes off the back of it!
Awesome John, I live in gisborne. It's shocking to see it all over our beach aswell 😔
You wouldn't know the difference between pine and farm wood
@mattyallen3396 why are you commenting on my post? I'm talking about the mess it's made, not the type of wood. Got nothing nice to say stay off my post
No mention of the Greens not allowing the slash to be burnt off. They've gone very quiet lately
Nor their climate change policies which are the driving force behind mass pine forest plantations. Carbon credits for overseas owners of these forests as well. It's hideous.
I blame the Health & Safety, Environment Act. Years ago forestry allowed people to collect slash for firewood! That FREE firewood concept removed all this rubbish.
Now home fires are practically banned and slash cutting& collecting is banned because the general public can no longer be trusted using chainsaws apparently.
Our favourite thing to do in Bureaucracy NZ is stop people and ban everything
Vote Green , vote disaster.
@@sixthsenseamelia4695 Capitalism created communism, doesn't make it better. Both ways are just a greed for power, the second causes a lot more death.
Hit the nail on the head.!
I agree with you in principle however a lot of these sites are so remote it is not practical for people to travel those distances let alone collect the massive amounts of wood required to get rid of this problem. If it gets burned in place or it rots the similar CO2 is going up in the atmosphere so why not allow access to the people so they could at least make use of its energy. Bureaucracy has overtaken common sense.
You will also note how my comment alone with 21 thumbs up is somehow way down the list. Hmm, like someone doesn't want the obvious conclusion seen
I've been going back and forward to the east cape since the seventies,they told us that our life would only improve what happened.?.
Imagine a tornado running across all that slash lying around in these river's the damage that would do.
Amazing Report. Absolutely 💔
12:55 John - please come up to Northland and witness what cuttings pine plants have done.
This is not Carbon Credits this is Mountains of Hillsides washing out to sea - New Zealand needs a 9.9 Earthquake to lift the land and replace what we have lost in the last 30 days.
Kia ora, Wiremu here, John's producer. We'd love to check that out. How do I get in touch with you?
Sending love to everyone impacted by this ❤
@@Peter_Pepper_Love people are reeling man, that’s a pretty huge expectation from people who are really just needing love. I give it to anyone suffering, with no expectation back. Sending it to you to, respectfully I feel you need it 💙
@@LadyDoom13 I guess I'm seeing a world going against goodness/love is what I was trying to say💨🤍
@@Peter_Pepper_Love that’s understandable 🙏🏼 there’s not enough love out there huh! Much love to you and your whānau I hope you’re well and safe wherever you are nga mihi 💙
@@LadyDoom13 🙌🏼
The forestry companies are able to transport the loges down to 'flat land' therefore they are able to bring the slash down AS WELL. With a little bit of thought someone will find a use for it when it is so accessable. At least the folks in low lands will not be PAYING FOR IT, SOMETIMES WITH THEIR LIVES.
TIME FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO ACT and ACT NOW!
It’s time to hold those responsible, responsible and they must clean up their mess and the mess from their industry before what’s happening now
We need more old fashion in-depth, investigative, follow-up stories instead of 2min coverage pieces.
By that do you mean all the total lies told over the last 3 years?
@@lyricallyunwaxable1234 Explain your point of view on the situation please
@@MattStrike There's no media in New xiland, only a govts presstitutes collective. 'We are your only reliable 'sauce' on the truth'. The last guy to run tvNZ was on a bonuses included NZD2 million salary pa, and as a public servant his pay rises had nowhere near been inline with the public sector. The new joker whose been in for a few months would be on the same, and as a govt employee it's criminal they get anything near that kind of hay. Just saying m8
recent logging in the riverhead Forrest and there is so much debris still left there, which has been there for months
This is actually a simple fix, Wales alredy does this and they dealt with their wood slash ... Wood burning for Power, USe all slash to operate .. Power for locals, Clean Land afetr forestry workers beside s They get money for Power supply of selling said slash who in turn Customers woudl pay for power... Why are we not Looking at Wales as A guide to deal to slash than passing teh buck and Excuses when We wanting a better tomorow for the next generation.
Great piece of journalism
Are they not allowed to Burn it off in controlled burnoffs?
They used to until the greenies got all up and arms about it. People used to be able to cut it up for firewood as well until heath and safety changed that
@@caseybretz8297 i would like these questions be asked by John Campbell directly to the Greens and H&S.
Correct me if i am wrong but wasn't it a change in legislation that prevents forestry from burning slash in place now? I think the legislation was wanting to prevent more CO2 in the atmosphere by preventing burning in place? However when these logs rot they will release very similar amounts of CO2 as if they were burned except if they were burnt we wouldn't have the massive slash damage problem. It would have been good if Mr. Campbell had looked deeper into the government legislation changes that allowed this to happen. Forestry plays a part in this mess however I don't believe they are solely to blame. I agree that it is not the people on the ground that are getting rich through forestry, its the massive overseas corps. that have been allowed to buy in and operate here. Much respect to the hard working forestry workers who work in difficult conditions to provide for their families. However the massive mono culture planting of forestry has never been good for our land or for allowing the people to thrive.
This practice by the Forestry was mentioned at an enquiry after the 1953 Tangiwai Disaster.
You did not show the ocean waterfront. Somewhere I saw coastal beaches covered in logs. Have not seen it since. Have you got footage?
Facebk Air Ruatoria - after Cyclone Hale, 18th January beach water line covered in logs etc.
7:20
A bloody good doco.
An actually well-done doco by John without the woke stuff.
When he does his actual job he's really good. Knows how fight for the small guy, always has empathy etc etc,
Then wheres the Reporting about the VACCINE INJURED AND DEATHS??????
The scale of this destructive pollution is staggering. It is shameful that forestry plantation was presented as the solution to reduce soil erosion and potential flood damage when its core objective was exporting clear felled timber. Planting native forests is the obvious solution. That should have been done after Bola. It definitively needs to happen now. Id like to see the forestry industry commit to this work and be a leader in making it happen.
That's crazy keep replanting pine when the area is not been cleaned up! Come on foresty do the right thing..bagged the wood and sell it.
Unfortunately Heath and safety doesn’t allow that
It is time to read and heed “The Forest Farmer’s Handbook” by Orville Camp
I personally witnessed the critical failure, of the forest management practices inflicted on the environment and people of Southern Oregon and Northern California.
Welcome back John, good work with your doco. I voted for Mr Nash and quite frankly his response is weak as pi**. If he wants my vote again he'll need to stop walking on eggshells for the forestry industry and get them into a room to answer questions, open to the public. If these forestry company CEOs had any mana they'd front up and say something, gutless bastards.
Welcome back? So did you miss all the dribble coming from that govt presstitute over the last 3yrs?
I voted for him too. Even worked on his campaign in 2017. I now have nothing but contempt for him.
@@lyricallyunwaxable1234 Well, unlike you, John at least adds context to what he's criticizing.
@@Kaboomnz Well, who'd believe they get protection from criticism too. Its F'n New Xiland now thanks to the sheep. See where it gets you Haaha!
@@Kaboomnz That clown is only highlighting what has happened previously but nothing was done about it. Gee whizz it's like they actually give themselves the ability to think for you.
There is money in wood chips. Would it be feasible for every forestry company to have fleets of wood chippers on site to remove the slash as they clear fell the areas? Or is that in the too hard basket. I'm sure there would be a market for it and even export.
Sadly the generations before us only thought of themselves, only thought in the moment of that time, on quite a greedy basis..
They never considered us, they (or, our own older generations) sold our lands for financial gain, for personal benefit..
The boomer generation was the worst for this.. Its a generational/social issue, and we as the younger generations will now have to live with the mistakes of our ancestors..
We, as the younger generation have every right to pass judgement on the older generation for what they have done to us..
True. The background is 40 years of he neoliberal economic era. The philosophy of greed is great, the more wealth you get from others the more you are to be admired. Reality has arrived and the bill is being delivered by an abused planet. We have to change.
Not the generation before, the companies with money did it, cheating their way into buying the land. The boomer generation were very naive.
And your kids will judge you just as badly for your greed and indiscretions too.
The classic cry of “Minister” and you can literally see him trying to melt into the car.
Well done. There Will unfortunately be many more events like this.
Our rivers in the Wairarapa have been heavily restricted on how much gravel can be taking out for years. The gravel height is getting closer to the stop banks and one day they will burst. Regional councils and govt have made to many decisions from the office rather than with their gumboots on.
What has/is happening regarding forestry in nz, seriously needs urgent attention. Not enough being done to eradicate this awful problem. Really tragic for communities.
Wait, why are foreign companies owning and logging forests? There are so many problems with that.
The slash that came down from forestry could probably keep the whole of NZ in Firewood for about 2 years.. The overseas companies who OWN the rights to forestry in NZ have to be taken to task about cleaning up the slash as the trees are felled... Chip the extra branches, so some trucks come away with logs and others with wood chips. Wood Chips are an exportable commodity. We don't have a pulp and paper industry anymore, which is a pity. Maybe NZ needs to look at producing paper again.
Hard to understand why the forestry industry doesn’t chip the wood and manufacture other wood products for NZ instead of allowing this to happen over and over. They need to clean up this mess and be held financially responsible for the damage!
Thanks John, now I understand how this even happens at all. I couldn't believe it when I first saw the photos and videos. Now it makes sense. Definitely shameful behaviour by logging firms. Agreed with the Maori lady about slip prone areas being planted in permanent natives not pine crops. This must be fixed.