Did he though? I mean, that arc took basically seasons to complete as opposed to other characters whose arcs began and ended in 3 or less in the early seasons. Gabriel didn't even really have anything to do until season 8 and he didn't become a badass until season 10. And if they hadn't done that coming full circle thing with him opening the gates to let people in, would you still say it was the most complete character arc? So many side characters in TWD don't even have arcs, they reach a certain point and then just plateau
@@bishbosh4815what does the amount of time it took have to do with his arc being complete ? all that matters is that he got a full character arc. just because it took time for him to become a badass doesn’t mean we can’t give credit where it’s due, he had a start, middle , and end to his personal story.
I like that there are characters that "disappear" or are "forgotten". This brings a bit of realism to the show. We don't know how everyone we ever met in our life time turns out. You ride public transport to work, see the same people day after day, but you don't know their story, you probably don't even know their name.
Carol hands down had the best ark of the entire series. She went from a defenseless DV victim to one of if not the most capable characters in the entire show. Having to kill one of her daughters was soooooo crazy and a huge defining moment for her. She was my favorite for a most of the middle of the series when she was cutthroat. But later on they started to regress her character a little and it kind of bothered me. But overall she was incredible.
Yeah, at first it was good to see her become a stronger independent woman after what she had been through but after a while I just feel she moaned and whined too much. Definitely got annoying after a bit.
I don't think it was regression, it was growth. She was still just as ruthless and capable of handling shit if she needed to, but she had learned restraint from her past experiences pursuing vengeance always ending in more people getting hurt/killed. She'd still shoot/stab/kill anyone who was a threat to her or her group without hesitation if need be, but she learned that killing should ultimately be a last ditch effort. She actively tries to prevent other characters in the show from going down a similar path after she nearly gets Connie killed. Yet still, a badass. Easily the best arc in the show.
@@marszz333 crazy to put the man who killed her husband in cold blood and killed him in a gruesome way, and implied that he wanted to take her and make her a wife of his
I don’t know about anyone else but I genuinely want to know when the Feral people from season 11 inevitably turn into walkers would their brains rewire and make them walk like a normal walker? Or would they crawl on all 4’s?
@@mattyguy4286 Id like to think they walk on all 4’s once they turn too. Especially now that variant walkers are canon again. It’s just interesting because they are human just a primal version. I wonder if they would develop into the walkers that have hunting abilities like the ones described in i believe world beyond (not for sure but I remember seeing a clip of a doctor explaining that some walkers have the capability to hunt and gather food for the herds)
I have a theory that maybe Terminus and the Commonwealth and/ or the CRM have some kind of connection/ agreement. We see two train cars at Terminus labelled A and B and it’s stated multiple times that all tracks lead back to Terminus, which we can assume is some kind of depot. If the Commonwealth have a working train is it possible that they speed up the delivery of As and/ or Bs using existing rail freight infrastructure? It’s stated that As are considered leaders but also threats and Lance says that the commonwealth have many important partnerships. In exchange for being left independently, the Commonwealth and Terminus supply the CRM.
I honestly thought when seeing Georgie that she was part of the commonwealth before the commonwealth was introduced. I also thought that the commonwealth were the group that had taken Rick, obviously before we found out that they were the CRM.
That might become a conflict in the Rick and Michonne show since the Commonwealth is under new leadership, a good reason why they didn't just kill governor Hornsby. It's hard to believe that a fairly small city can produce all the goods that they have on their own. And she eludes to their being something like a million little city states out there as well. What we really need an answer for is what the state of the world is as a whole and I think it's leading up to some kind of answer for this.
@@DeathBYDesign666 I agree. Surely the CRM know about the Commonwealth as they have outposts in multiple states. I’m intrigued to find out who this Major General Beale is.
Yup. But for most consoomers it’s been long enough, and the show has been stale enough, that they’ll accept it in order to be excited for the following product
Bit late but that was due to them having a different director in season one and he had a slightly different idea for the walkers, them still semi being able to use stuff and climb and that
yea its a massive retcon cuz walkers in season 1 could try to open doors like Morgan's dead wife, pick up rocks, climb over stuff and run at people when Rick first encountered a herd. Stuff like this kinda makes civilization collapsing after a few months Rick woke up makes sense because of how threatening they were. But yeah to explain why the main group was shocked seeing those variant walkers could just be because they never went to certain areas like the city in Atlanta. Everyone in the group that went to the city besides Rick and Daryl died. I dont remember Daryl being surprised seeing the variant walkers but if he did in s11 he'd probably also be surprised because of the way they're trying to write the story lol. This is just me trying to explain a messy retcon lol
B is an asset, based on Jadis interactions with Gabriel I would say highly capable asset that demonstrate a willingness to do whatever is necessary regardless of their feelings. I think Negan would have been a B but she lied and said he was an A because of what happened with Simon and she wanted him to suffer.
My guess is Virgil died from his wounds from the deranged ppl after the storm passed and they never acknowledged it or he just up and left but they could have at least acknowledged it
I thought perhaps if he didn’t die he went to live out at Oceanside but then was possibly killed there. Cus of being on the island for so long I think he would have fit in at Oceanside but when Luke and Jules said that Oceanside was gone and thy were the only ones to escape I took that as Lance had everyone killed. I could be wrong though but that’s what my interpretation of it was 🤷♀️😅
They confirmed already he just stayed at Alexandria since he had the deep stab wound in his leg - making it so he can’t travel anywhere. There was prob someone looking after him as everyone else was outside fighting
The Walking Dead is not really "over" they are just doing the 12th season split into spin offs, because of streaming rights. Netflix owns the rights to each season, now they would have to renew contracts if they want to stream the 3 spin off series. It's brilliant, really. Also it renews interest in TWD, bringing back some viewers who long tuned out. So all of these characters and their resolutions will still happen, since again, the show itself isn't over
I just want this shit to be over. This is like being tortured by the CIA when you’ve already given information. If you’re not gonna end it, just kill me
@@highjinx6519 no problem Plus unlike as on Netflix, where for example they've cut around 15 minutes from the Pilot Episode, Disney+ isn't cut. Yeah Disney+ is using the censored version for S7E1 (so no "Fucking fuckidy Fuck" by Negan) but at least it isn't Cut short
Funny, when Negan showed up in the series, I just wanted him dead. And was shocked when he was still around all season long. I just thought "That guy needs to be dead"! Than I felt it was ridiculous when he was still around the following seasons. But later I love how he changed. Love the scene where he was in that house with a bottle of whiskey at the fireplace and was arguing wing his old self until he threw the glass at him.
I think his character arc was one of my favorites in the series because they did such a great job of making you seethingly hate him to really understanding the humanity in him and what a mind fuck that arc was. That scene was really good. I like that they took time to develop his arc separately from Maggie and when they’re finally in each others lives you have to sit with the complexity of the relationship as a viewer. You went negan dead for Maggie’s sake but you know more about him now which makes him harder to unanimously hate. When Maggie finally comes up to him to address forgiving him, her final monologue holds the dynamism that the viewer has been forced to for a few seasons now. It was brilliantly said as well. Yep, one of my favorites
Nah his presence was ludicrous right until the end. A proper ending would have been Maggie shooting his new wife in the head in front of him and then killing him.
@@dom404gamer8 I still think negan can die. I still hate him for what he did to Glenn. My friend told me I'd warm up to negan (I didn't start watching until a month or so ago) nope. Fuck him ha
Not that this has much plot or really even lore significance is in S4 what really happened between Sam and his girlfriend? Like she gets her leg cut off and then she's eaten by walkers just down the street. Thing is the cut was WAY too clean for it too have been a walker ripping it off. Like the circumstances of her death seem to maybe imply that Sam had actually killed her or sacrificed her to the walkers. But then again, how come Rick and Carol didn't hear any screams or anything? They weren't that far away from them. I guess it doesn't matter at all since he dies in Terminus anyways, but still always pondered it in my mind
the Georgie storyline still keeps up awake at night 😭 i was waiting for seasons to see when and how she would deliver on her promise and "show up again." in a way, i thought that she was going to end up being the leader of the Commonweath/play the Pamala character, but that wasn't the case. at any rate, i need closure lol
i legit thought she is part of the commonwealth group back then. now her presence on show don't matter anymore since it is all about commonwealth and crm
@@stinkydinkyps3 Georgie was that white middle-aged woman wearing white hair and eye glasses who showed up at the Hilltop in a van with oversized wheels with 2 other survivors. Her mission was to find other communities and make trades where she would offer knowledge on how to make a better future in exchange for crates of food or music records. She was putting together a book. She gave Maggie a set of guides for windmills, aqueducts, and other stuff to help Hilltop thrive. She said she'd return to see their progress someday but instead ended up exchanging written letters/mail by way of bodyguards. In those letters, she convinced Maggie and baby Hershel to go on an expedition with her to build communities. It was implied that they built a community together...maybe,... in Knoxville, Tennessee... but it fell.
My theory on the variants: The virus that reanimates the dead works alot like the flood from halo and also like a fungus. I say flood from halo because we've really only seen the variant walkers in big groups. The more walkers lumped together, the more virus is concentrated. Allowing it to communicate with itself and slowly get smarter. Like how in Halo, small out break of flood is bad but what ever, it can be dealt with. A big one however? They've made a graveminde and are now coordinating strikes and tactics. I say fungus as well because that could explain why gutting up allows you to walk with the dead. The sent from the rotted or dead flesh, blood and bile is emiting the "spors" or just super soaks you with the virus the hoard mind can't tell them apart. Thats my Ted Talk.
I actually remember a theory about how heath was getting picked up by the crm but didn’t want to go with them so he resisted and tried fighting back resulting in his glasses getting knocked off and him getting taken away
Wonder if the Atlanta Hospital community made it through to the end. Dawn belived that someone would come to Save them and she wasn't completly wrong since communities like the commonwealth could do that.
I think the characters that got their complete story arcs were statisfying and great but I do agree that some of them were left unfinished I guess that’s why they are getting their own story
We definitely need more Mercer! His character was awesome. And I personally feel like everyone of these character should eventually come back together at the commonwealth in the end. Rick and Mercer need to meet. Daryl and ezekial should be the ones to introduce them as they are at each others throats
@@rocioquiroz11No they didn’t lol. He was introduced in the first episode of season 11. The last season. And played one of the biggest roles of the season. Did you even watch it?
Better yet where’s Christa from the Games? What happened to Molly, the 400 characters, what’s happening at Richmond? The didn’t give us conclusions to these characters. Huh it seems that TWD loves removing characters and then never bring them up again. What happened to David and Troy’s group? How did Morales’ family died? How did Heath come across the Scavengers and then get traded to the CRM? Where Vergil? Are the Telltale characters in the TV timeline? If so how did Shawn died? Was Glenn in Macon, it was referenced back in season 5. So many questions so little answers.
"Are the Telltale characters in the TV timeline?" No, the games are in the comic timeline. So there's no point in assuming if they have any TV universe counterparts until stated otherwise.
@@polh14r55it’s a deleted scene, but since it was never brought up again everyone kind of took it as cannon. Which is valid, just because the group didn’t stumble on them again doesn’t mean they weren’t wiped out
I really want to know what happened to Scott. Like Dianne, he's been around for a long time (since Season 6) and is one of the longest surviving Alexandrians. He was in Season 10, I think was mentioned once in Season 11, but we haven't seen him
The PPP card is definitely an electronic card key for opening a door (or multiple doors). It's exactly like one I used on a job I had from 2009 to 2014. You'd normally wear it on a lanyard or a badge reel. Trying to remember what their card keys looked like at the medical facility in World Beyond... Fear has moved to Savannah, GA. And I think that's not just for shooting, but for story. Maybe the Padre ship sailed there? So I doubt we'll see Georgie on that show. But wouldn't it be cool if she turned up in her own Tales ep, if they decide to do another season? My bet is that the Rick & Michone show only goes those precious 6 episodes, and it leads them somehow back to Judith for closure, then ends with that bit they already shot with the grown up Grimes sibs.
Despite my thoughts of Gabriel from feeling bad for him when he met the gang, murdered in his church, and muscled in his life to getting annoyed how Gabriel became too dark and coldly killing Robert Patrick’s character, Gabriel is one of the remaining characters to have the most satisfying and well deserved character arc. Him opening the gates for the people, symbolically redeeming his past deed, hits the show so heavily.
The theory for the A and B I believe has always been "After Bitten" and "Before Bitten", I think they work on both A's and B's and they test formulas on B's to see if certain things would still turn people.
For the variant zombie reasoning why we didn’t see it most seasons : the virus is fighting itself , although it was innate inside our bodies as soon as it woke up it started to try and change itself , but the “variant” wasn’t strong enough to take over (and the original strain won) until season 10 again where it might fail to take hold again . This is how real viruses operate and as long as we aren’t assuming the zombie disease is supernatural , we could easily assume the variant virus isn’t strong enough to present itself in a lot of infected , so in the beginning at Atlanta we see a small surge of variants but that strain of virus was wiped out by the original strain , until now (again). So if the variant can take hold and mutate the original virus into creating all zombies into tool using climbing zombies , it would likely never regress to the original virus unless we vaccinated the hell out of it .
To add to this. The variants might be among the huge hordes. And are most likely the ones "spared" when human survivors leave cuz the horde is to big. They are suppose to be "intellegent" with the use of tools and grabbing weapons to survive. And with all the clearing out of random zombie stranglers. We see them more an more. We dont get more variants per say. They are just the ones left. If that makes sense. I also think they degrade slower than the normal walkers. So we will end up with regular walkers decaying and the variants staying "fresher"
I feel like an A is someone from a community that is loyal to it, and since they are loyal they won’t want to be in the CRM so they use them to try and find a cure. and a B is someone just alone in the wild. Because Negan was an A, Jadis says Rick was an A but she lied so he can live. And when Gabriel told Jadis he has to tell Rick that Jadis was gonna trade someone, Jadis said “and all this time I thought you were a B” because Gabriel before hand had lied to Rick about where Jadis was one night. But since gabe was more loyal to Rick she basically called gabe an A then knocked him out.
i thought they use A's to experiment on for a cure in the CRM. B's are people that they put to work like decontamination zones and such. If you watched the Walking Dead World Beyond it goes into detail on it. but i could be wrong.
Anyone else think it would be cool if after all spin off shows that they have a one episode that is like 20 years later and they show all communities and what happened to them maybe make a mini season(like season 1).
@@jeffrobodeenyehcmon5925 Gimple and Angela saved the show... then two seasons later Gimple and Angela ruined the show. They both spent too long as showrunners. Seasons 4-6 (Gimple) are amazing. Seasons 7-8 (Gimple) ruined the show. Seasons 9-10 (Kang) saved the show from the ruins, then those 6 extended S10 episodes + S11 (Kang) ruined the show again. They should have quit while on top to keep the show fresh
@snoopwoggywogg I thought Gimple wasn't writing for the show after season 9. Angela Kang did ok to me, season 11 started out a bit slow, bit it picked up and became a movie almost.
First of all when i first watch the walking dead i really thought that carol and daryl are the characters that easily die but I'm surprised that they're the last standing since season 1
Morgan, Dwight and Sherry are all in the spinoff fear the walking dead, Jadis was on the final episodes of twd world beyond, she has a prominent role in the CRM. World beyond is pure CRM arch. Highly recommend world beyond if you like the CRM.
You forget the was one single Variant walker in Season 3 were a walker pulls apart a piece of the wall that protects woodbury, he is the only walker between Season 2 to Season 10 that ever did something like this
Even going back further than that, in literally the pilot episode, Morgans wife was trying to open the door to his house when they were in there looking through the peephole. Its like they got dumber, then smarter again. I remember seeing an interview where in the first couple episodes, they wanted the walkers to be more intelligent and decided not to go that route but then it circles back near the end.
@@Tacomaguy458 season 1 they were all smart then the director quit and they got dumb bc the new director decided to make it that way but a few times the zombies seemed to be smart again these are now retconned to be variants like in one of the webisodes there's a running walker
However all the spinoffs conclude - we just need to see Rick and Michonne finally coming home to Judith and RJ and the community. The story in the comics and since season 1 has always been about Rick and his family, like the silent narrator of the show. For all 11 seasons and incoming spin offs, for everything Rick has been through, he deserves to find his family again, Judith and RJ deserve it and we the viewers who have stayed with this show for 11 seasons, with all the great and stupid parts, we deserve that resolution at the end, however we get there and if only its for the final few minutes of the final episode........we need it........
One of the biggest mysteries is "Who was in Randall's group?"(Besides Dave and Tony obviously) Randall, back in S2, said that his group was about 30-ish men strong, heavily armed, Raping, murdering. What other group does this sound like? The group that attacked Terminus before Gareth and co turned into Canibals. You know the one group we saw in Flashbacks in S5? The one that later got put in the containers and than got freed by Rick and his group? I like to believe that Randall's group (after they left him to die) found Terminus, took the place over and than Garreth and co fought back and put them in the containers
My guess for the sudden appearance of the Variants, is that they are regional Variants, which explains how the were known by the the researchers in france but not to the cdc, and their "sudden" appearance is explained through the migration of walker hordes, which drove Variants away from their point of origin and slowly diffused them into the larger walker population but also spread them to new locations.
Cope. Their appearance is due to AMC having milked y’all for over a decade with stale azz zombies, and now they tease you to consoom future products with THE SAME PROMISE MADE IN SEASON 1 😂
I'm excited for the spin-offs....but, it's weird to think we will never see Eugene, Carol, Jerry, Aaron, Rosita, and Ezekiel ever again....Judith too. I'm still really sad about it ending...
don't count on that. money talks. carol isn't interested in doing the show, understandably, because she wants time for herself. however, i would bet at least a cameo in daryl's new show. or somewhere down the line. eugene? he's much too smart to be ignored for future show work. they ended the show and split it up into individual shows because of streamingrights so anything is creatively fair game at this point.
Carol is going to be seen again in season 2 of the Daryl spinoff. It was already confirmed but sad that we will only have 6 episodes for the Rick and michonne and there will only be one season😢
Sad to realize while we are getting much more, we are likely not going to see so many great characters like Ezekiel, Gabriel, Aaron, jerry, mercer, princess and more ever again.
He was just ine of the "big extras" characters who were in the show for years but they were just there for continuity rather than to play an actual role. Like apparently the woman who gets eaten (not jules) in the final episode in the hospital was an oceanside character whod been in the show since they were introduced but did anyone actually know anything about her?
@@willbaker6532 Yeah, her name was Beatrice, she was there since the first moment we met Ocenaside; the Saviors (specifically, Justin) killed her husband, which is why she killed him with her spear-gun weapon ... She and Tara had a face-off twice ... If you paid attention, you would have known who she was
My theory has always been Rick and Health are going to meet up at the CRM place where Rick is and they team up to overcome or Escape from there. Or Rick wants to start a Riot against the CRM and Health backs him and gets everyone involved
By far the best character development was Gabriel and Aaron. Gabriel was reserved and scared shitless when they found him and he turned into the 1 eyed machete wielding badass by the last season. He was always the voice of reason until the bonus episode with him and Aaron when they got drunk and were forced to play Russian roulette by the T-1000. He changed his view drastically after that. Aaron was the scout for Alexandria and could hold his own but as he learned from Ricks lead, he had to become hardened or die. His turning point for me was when he ran into Negan while he was wearing the whisperers mask after he went missing and was super aggressive about it. After that, the reasonable side of him was long gone other than trying to play ball with Hornsby. I think the show was fantastic and super entertaining but I was ultimately just "along for the ride" after the whisperers went away. I think the whole reapers thing was just weird and drawn out and this whole last season was a bit of a shit show of politics. 24 episodes taking over a year and a half to air just to leave a bunch of doors open for spinoffs and kill a few main characters was a super letdown. I did like that they brought back Morales ( I think was his name ) from the original group at the quarry was an interesting spin but the whole last season was pretty predictable and drawn out for what we all knew was going to happen 2 episodes into it. I would've liked to get a bit more backstory on the commonwealth if its going to eat up 24 episodes. There were supposedly 50,000 residents however we only seen a very small piece of it. If there was really 50k people there, it would be an enormous settlement. Shit, for all we know, Rick could've been running a district of it and we would never have known because he isn't mentioned at all in the last season to anyone from the commonwealth. They could've said his name to Hornsby and he was like, "oh Rick Grimes? he is a leader here. Hop in this car and we can go say hi".
I don't think they meant ALL the zombies in ATL were variants. I took that to mean the ones we saw bashing windows with rocks or climbing fences or turning doorknobs even. They did see a few but again, with respect to the story and lore they didn't think much of it cuz it was all new back then. Anyway I hope we see a few characters again, Aaron for one, they could do a lot more with that character I think, he's one of the better characters that got the shaft there a bit in the end.
I saw/read (can't remember which) an interview with Greg Nicotero where he basically said to ignore what those walkers did back in season 1. Like you mentioned he said it was all new and they hadn't nailed down the "rules" for how zombies can act.
I'm really impressed with the character development of Aaron but I don't wish to see him getting any big screen time. I never liked him on the show for a reason I can't put my finger on. They should leave him out of those spinoffs and just have it implied that he's successfully running whatever colony [Maybe it was Alexandria] that he's supposed to be a leader of.
A character you missed was Dwight. Felt like there was more to be added with him going to find his wife. They did too much with his character as far as growth to no bring him back. I see him making a return in the Daryl spin off
@@bloodyraptor6251 I remember that, and you’re right, but that technically wasn’t her last episode, 11x24 was, I just assumed the original commenter was referring to that episode.
@@ArthurMrgan okay, but that was like a 3 min cameo at he end of the credits. Meanwhile her actual last episode is entirely Michonne, which is why people call it her last episode
"Fear the walking dead is still years behind the walking dead in universe time" I actually think that's the perfect reasoning to have Georgie to show back up. We know that season 4 of fear is at the same time as the first half of season 9 of the walking dead as Morgan leaves right after Negan is defeated. And fear jumps ahead in time a lot more than the walking dead does so while I don't think we'll see her again it definitely is possible given the timelines.
Did Randall (Dave and Tony) have something to do with the death of Morales family? I felt like it was implied by something that was said in season 8 when he reappears during all-out war...
@@Mickaye I thought he said something about being attacked and left for dead?? And Randall made some comments about " that guy we killed in front of his wife/kids" .. ?
Nah Dave and Tony had nothing to do with the Death of Morales family. I got a much more plausible Headcanon for Randall's group through. Randall said that his group was about 30-is men strong, heavily armed, rap8nf and murdering.....what if: Randall original was a member of the group that later attacked Terminus? You know, the group that attacked Terminus (the one we saw in the flashbacks in S5) that later got put in the Containers.. That group exactly was what Randall was talking about. We possibly never get an answer to that but I like to believe that this group was Randall's group, found their way to Terminus, took the place over and than the Terminus People fought back
The most important question is 'who betrayed them to the Saviors, on the road??!?!' 'how did they shut down EVERY path, so completely?' You can't allocate those kinds of resources, on a 'hunch'. SOMEONE told the Saviors when and where the Survivors were going. It's kind of insulting that they never revealed that. It's a glaring loose end.
I think an interesting mini series would be if you take a member of every group, a savior, terminus, whisperer, ect. And put them in an impossible situation forced to work together to survive, using each unique skill. The infighting and philosophy difference of each "villian" group would be interesting specially on that they are random members.
Still wanna know when did Sophia get bit and when she got in the barn. how did the saviors know when to set up road blocks and the group was heading to hilltop. How did rick escape the RV of hordes in season 6.
She got bit where she dropped her doll and turned and Otis found her already turned and lured her into the barn. It all happened within the same day/night most likely since the next day is when Carl is shot and they find the farm not knowing that Sophia was already a walker inside the barn next door, and that’s why everyone was so defeated when they found her already dead because they all wasted their time finding a little girl somewhere in the woods when she was right next to where they were staying the whole time
Luke and Jules mentioned in one of the later episodes when they ran into Aaron and Jerry that the commonwealth had gone in and taken over, so I'd assume it's still up and running under Ezekiel and Mercer now. who knows, guess it wasn't important enough to mention
In fairness I can't see how the group took Virgil in. Last we see of Michone is her leaving with Virgil never to be seen again. Then he just appears back without her and a story and they take him in? For all the knew he could've done anything to her. Yet they just say "oh well, why don't you hang with us". They are way too trusting. Regarding Heath, that could be him in the helicopter talking to Rick. The voice is familiar.
My biggest question is will dog return? I think it would be really cool to see Judith again fighting walkers with the help of dog. I think she will become the main owner of him and hopefully we will see more of them in the Rick and michonne show.
I was a bit miffed that Annie was missing from the end. Not just because it left it open ended as to what happened to her and Negan's baby but she was pretty cute 🤣
Georgie could of been on Fear as season from 4 onwards it takes place after season 8 of twd but before episode 5 of season 9. However probably can’t happen now as Fear takes place in Georgia now.
Im guessing hornsbys line with the connections was just some line for the audience to get us guessing. We get a one year time jump at the end and nothing happend with the crm so to say and i doubt ezekiel/mercer would trade people with the crm to get supplies or whatever hornsbys arragement was
Commonwealth and all of the unanswered side stuff could have benefited from a 2 season run and the evolving walkers should have been revealed earlier when they were fighting the whisperers. Can you imagine if in the climax where the group fights Beta and instead of him being eaten by the walkers he was stabbed or something. That'd been a great twist.
I’m glad you mentioned how the PPP card looks like a security card, because I was thinking it as soon as that part of the video happened. I work at a Domino’s that used to be a bank and all the drivers and managers are given a keycard that looks exactly like the one Tara found. Idk if that’s a standard issue security card, but I never made that connection because I started working there years after watching season 7. It even looks like it has a similar thickness to our cards.
I’m actually surprised that you mentioned Negan dying to save Maggie or Hershel. I felt like I was the only one that could picture that lol. I pictured the scene in the finale would go like this: Negan and Hershel gets cornered by that last horde and Negan uses his body to protect Hershel while Maggie looks on in horror. The rest of the survivors clear a path and Maggie rushes over thinking she lost her son only to see Negan fully protecting Hershel but with bits of him eaten off. Maggie embraces Hershel and thanks Negan through tears. She holds Negan’s hand while he dies. Everyone around them gets to witness Negan going out as a hero.
As good of a character arc as that would be for Negan, I don’t want to see him die. At this point he’s like Rick or Daryl for me. I would honestly lose interest if he wasn’t in the show. I started to lose interest after Rick left, but Negan (and Daryl) carried the show hard through the last 2 1/2 seasons and kept me watching. Putting him in a spin-off with Maggie just to kill him off in the first few seasons wouldn’t make sense IMO. I think a large portion of the audience would lose interest in the show after that and stop watching.
@@Pred439 agreed, would be a mistake to kill negan, I also think its just way too painfully cliche for him to sacrifice himself, at the very least he needs scenes with rick before hes killed off
The writing for city of the dead is going to have to be immaculate for it to be believable maggie would go on a 2 person expedition with NEGAN more than likely without her son
I wouldve loved to see more between Daryl and Connie but apparently Connie's actress didnt have enough time to film much because she was doing an MCU thing
1 unanswered question I have is,at the end of the last episode of TWD,after the “1 year later” part,we don’t get to see the former commonwealth head lady…..is she still rotting in jail or have they put her through any kind of trial like what she did to Eugene,or what???
I don't mean to sound rude at all. But why does that even matter? Negan was in prison for like a half decade until someone forgot to close the cell door. My guess was that she was going to receive a life sentence like Negan.
No theory, but I would absolutely adore some moment in the Rick and Michonne spin-off where Michonne tells him about how much Judith has grown and matured despite still being young. My second hope is far fetched but I hope nonetheless that at some point they find Judith again, possibly when she's older, maybe a teenager, and it's this light shining behind her as she's seen after all this time moment. While dramatic and far fetched, I like the idea of a moment like that for Rick and Michonne to share.
What happened to the Police Group where Beth died ? How come Aaron and Daryl didn’t go to bring them to Alexandria when they were searching for people ?
They were in Atlanta. Alexandria is pretty far away. I think Daryl and Aaron stayed within easy travelling range of Alexandria. Also, they gave the hospital people the option to join them when Beth died. It's a long journey to make for some people who might not even be alive anymore and had already turned down their offer once before.
I've always been curious about what happened, to Heath. I mean, I know the actor went on to do the 24 spinoff, which didnt workout... But just the way he disappeared, Tara couldn't him either. Kinda creepy and sinister. I need to know lol
I always thought that he just ran away, and settled in some other place. In the last episode where we can see him, he struggles with accepting what the group (and the Alexandria community) has become. They just killed a lot of people in their sleep at the satellite station and Heath was clearly disturbed by that
Forgotten characters are All of Oceanside and Highwaymen. About 90% of the Saviors, Alexandrians, Hilltoppers and residents of the Kingdom and the Whisperers that moved to the Hilltop
Technically Daryl's character arc is complete. He's had the most character arcs beside Rick. He was constantly evolving from season 1 to the finale. The finale we just see Daryl starting a new arc.
Unanswered Questions: |1- Why not use sound (PA, explosives, etc) to divert zombies every time they threaten to invade communities? |2- Why is it that after years of killing zombies, there are times when the most experienced characters still struggle to kill a small group of 6 or 10 or even 1? |3- Why not use boats and live at sea? Fish, grow crops near the coast, walkers don't swim... |4- Why the hell they use so many bullets, full auto, on walkers that can be killed with knifes, spears, etc. And why they never run out or have to reload?
I was always hoping that there would be some sort of nod to Clementine from the games in the show, I know in an earlier season we got a (sort of) Lee reference when Michonne mentioned something about Macon but that was it. I know that they’re technically meant to be separate but considering Michonne had her own game and they mentioned Lee in the series it would’ve been cool to at least have some mention of Clem in the show. I’m hoping that Judith will sort of be like what Clementine was in the games, just a badass kid that can take care of themselves and the people around them. It would even be cool to see her possibly get her own spin off one day maybe. I haven’t actually watched season 11 yet as I haven’t seen past the end of season 8 after Carl dies, I’m rewatching the show currently and still have more questions than answers from even early seasons. There were so many characters that had the potential to be really great and although they may not have had much character progression (cough cough ** Andrea) towards the end they seemed really promising and then were just killed off, it was the same with Merle too. Again I’m aware that the tv series is supposed to be different from the comics otherwise it would be quite boring for those who have read the comics but sometimes consistency is nice. Sorry rant over haha
Concept for the R&M spin-off: After a few years, when Judith and RJ are grown, RJ becomes ambivalent towards Rick (never really knew him) and actively opposed to Michonne for essentially abandoning him, leading to some form of war between communities and leaving Judith in the middle. Similar to the original Madison vs her kids premise Fear was aiming for
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It is absolutely shocking to me that out of everybody, Father Gabriel received the most complete and satisfying character arc out of everybody
And eugene
Did he though? I mean, that arc took basically seasons to complete as opposed to other characters whose arcs began and ended in 3 or less in the early seasons. Gabriel didn't even really have anything to do until season 8 and he didn't become a badass until season 10. And if they hadn't done that coming full circle thing with him opening the gates to let people in, would you still say it was the most complete character arc? So many side characters in TWD don't even have arcs, they reach a certain point and then just plateau
@@Roy_787 i mean i guess but carols arc was pretty much complete by s5
@@bishbosh4815what does the amount of time it took have to do with his arc being complete ? all that matters is that he got a full character arc. just because it took time for him to become a badass doesn’t mean we can’t give credit where it’s due, he had a start, middle , and end to his personal story.
@@bishbosh4815 Gabriel was a badass way before season 10. His badassery increased with every season, but yeah, his badass status came earlier 😎
Gabriel opening the gate to save the people instead of locking them out in the church was the best arch of the show
Facts
“We’re letting these people in, I’ll kill anyone who tries to stop me”
Yeah hes probably the worst character in the series
@@kingcaedo7564 how?!
@@edgehead2350 how not. Useless character line. Randomly goes blind. More god talk. Useless character overall
I like that there are characters that "disappear" or are "forgotten". This brings a bit of realism to the show. We don't know how everyone we ever met in our life time turns out. You ride public transport to work, see the same people day after day, but you don't know their story, you probably don't even know their name.
yeah, in a situation like the one in TWD MIAs would be very common actually.
Yeah but this is a TV show, not real life.
@@CorrectionUnknownhence the zombies yeah no shit, he’s saying it brings some realism
While that makes sense in real life, seeing that play out on TV/movies is poor writing.
@@serranirvin09 meh, feels like a copout for bad writing
The show's ending felt less like a conclusion and more like a add for the spinoff shows.
Exactly that
Well, the very end felt like that. But for the most part, it felt like a satisfying ending to the majority of characters and storylines.
Yep!!!
Agreed!
kind of hate how many there will be
The kid playing Judith is an amazing actor at her young age - we'll definitely hear from her again
She was in star wars 7
@@worldwidetravelers2924 she also plays young sylvie in Loki
I don't want it if it's not her. Rj can change
@@gingeyfr And Mike's granddaughter in Better Call Saul
She really is
Carol hands down had the best ark of the entire series. She went from a defenseless DV victim to one of if not the most capable characters in the entire show. Having to kill one of her daughters was soooooo crazy and a huge defining moment for her. She was my favorite for a most of the middle of the series when she was cutthroat. But later on they started to regress her character a little and it kind of bothered me. But overall she was incredible.
I hated her and wish she got it instead of Dale
Yeah, at first it was good to see her become a stronger independent woman after what she had been through but after a while I just feel she moaned and whined too much. Definitely got annoying after a bit.
@kerraptregolls4929 she was supposed to die instead of T-Dog but I really wish she died instead
I don't think it was regression, it was growth. She was still just as ruthless and capable of handling shit if she needed to, but she had learned restraint from her past experiences pursuing vengeance always ending in more people getting hurt/killed. She'd still shoot/stab/kill anyone who was a threat to her or her group without hesitation if need be, but she learned that killing should ultimately be a last ditch effort. She actively tries to prevent other characters in the show from going down a similar path after she nearly gets Connie killed. Yet still, a badass. Easily the best arc in the show.
Carol didn't kill her daughter. Sophia was lost and she was bitten. Rick ended up shooting her at the farm. Carol killed lizzie
connie and daryl is something i’d like to see more of. think they were cool together
Maybe she could replace Carol in Daryl's spinoff? I'd like to see that.
I agree
Maggie and Daryl would’ve been a good spinoff. I don’t particularly care for Negan lol
@@marszz333 crazy to put the man who killed her husband in cold blood and killed him in a gruesome way, and implied that he wanted to take her and make her a wife of his
@@marszz333Daryl isn't one to hold grudges but Maggie making him kill Leah was still kinda fucked
I don’t know about anyone else but I genuinely want to know when the Feral people from season 11 inevitably turn into walkers would their brains rewire and make them walk like a normal walker? Or would they crawl on all 4’s?
I reckon that'd go back to walking on all 4s, interesting thought tho tbf
@@mattyguy4286 Id like to think they walk on all 4’s once they turn too. Especially now that variant walkers are canon again. It’s just interesting because they are human just a primal version. I wonder if they would develop into the walkers that have hunting abilities like the ones described in i believe world beyond (not for sure but I remember seeing a clip of a doctor explaining that some walkers have the capability to hunt and gather food for the herds)
@@baigmen I believe that was Tales Of The Walking Dead; Season 1, Episode 4.
That whole group is an unanswered question
@@thegenericshitposter ok thanks for clearing it up!! I haven’t watched any of the other spinoffs other than fear in it’s entirety.
Annie was definitely mentioned in the finale. Maggie said to Negan that they are welcome to stay
I have a theory that maybe Terminus and the Commonwealth and/ or the CRM have some kind of connection/ agreement. We see two train cars at Terminus labelled A and B and it’s stated multiple times that all tracks lead back to Terminus, which we can assume is some kind of depot. If the Commonwealth have a working train is it possible that they speed up the delivery of As and/ or Bs using existing rail freight infrastructure?
It’s stated that As are considered leaders but also threats and Lance says that the commonwealth have many important partnerships. In exchange for being left independently, the Commonwealth and Terminus supply the CRM.
I honestly just want at least one last appearance from everyone who knew Rick just to see them reunite
Right like thats bs if rick never gets to meet his son or see Judith
I honestly thought when seeing Georgie that she was part of the commonwealth before the commonwealth was introduced. I also thought that the commonwealth were the group that had taken Rick, obviously before we found out that they were the CRM.
That might become a conflict in the Rick and Michonne show since the Commonwealth is under new leadership, a good reason why they didn't just kill governor Hornsby. It's hard to believe that a fairly small city can produce all the goods that they have on their own. And she eludes to their being something like a million little city states out there as well. What we really need an answer for is what the state of the world is as a whole and I think it's leading up to some kind of answer for this.
I thought the same
@@DeathBYDesign666 I agree. Surely the CRM know about the Commonwealth as they have outposts in multiple states. I’m intrigued to find out who this Major General Beale is.
i feel like they secretly retconned ALOT after rick was taken and covid..it felt like they were goinf somewhere and decided to u-turn a few times
@@DeathBYDesign666 the Commonwealth is not "a small city" bruh, the town you talk about is just their capital, not their entire state.
they were surprised that walkers were climbing in season 11 but in season 1 they were climbing that tank for rick
Exactly
Yup. But for most consoomers it’s been long enough, and the show has been stale enough, that they’ll accept it in order to be excited for the following product
yeah and remember that walker that picked up that rock and tried to break that glass door in s1e1 or s1e2?
Bit late but that was due to them having a different director in season one and he had a slightly different idea for the walkers, them still semi being able to use stuff and climb and that
yea its a massive retcon cuz walkers in season 1 could try to open doors like Morgan's dead wife, pick up rocks, climb over stuff and run at people when Rick first encountered a herd. Stuff like this kinda makes civilization collapsing after a few months Rick woke up makes sense because of how threatening they were.
But yeah to explain why the main group was shocked seeing those variant walkers could just be because they never went to certain areas like the city in Atlanta. Everyone in the group that went to the city besides Rick and Daryl died. I dont remember Daryl being surprised seeing the variant walkers but if he did in s11 he'd probably also be surprised because of the way they're trying to write the story lol. This is just me trying to explain a messy retcon lol
B is an asset, based on Jadis interactions with Gabriel I would say highly capable asset that demonstrate a willingness to do whatever is necessary regardless of their feelings. I think Negan would have been a B but she lied and said he was an A because of what happened with Simon and she wanted him to suffer.
My guess is Virgil died from his wounds from the deranged ppl after the storm passed and they never acknowledged it or he just up and left but they could have at least acknowledged it
I kind of just assumed that, they where leading Virgil away like he was hurt ?
I thought perhaps if he didn’t die he went to live out at Oceanside but then was possibly killed there. Cus of being on the island for so long I think he would have fit in at Oceanside but when Luke and Jules said that Oceanside was gone and thy were the only ones to escape I took that as Lance had everyone killed. I could be wrong though but that’s what my interpretation of it was 🤷♀️😅
They confirmed already he just stayed at Alexandria since he had the deep stab wound in his leg - making it so he can’t travel anywhere. There was prob someone looking after him as everyone else was outside fighting
@@miekgg when and where did they confirm?
@@belalugosisdead4444 talking dead, and think about it - deep stab wound, you’re not going anywhere, he simply stayed at Alexandria and lived.
The Walking Dead is not really "over" they are just doing the 12th season split into spin offs, because of streaming rights. Netflix owns the rights to each season, now they would have to renew contracts if they want to stream the 3 spin off series. It's brilliant, really. Also it renews interest in TWD, bringing back some viewers who long tuned out. So all of these characters and their resolutions will still happen, since again, the show itself isn't over
Lol it's not brilliant. It's oversaturation.😆
@@norbertbluhm6999 seasonb11 is up already I thought were still on 10 on netflix
I just want this shit to be over. This is like being tortured by the CIA when you’ve already given information. If you’re not gonna end it, just kill me
@@norbertbluhm6999 thanks I had no idea it was on Disney+ and somehow the first parts of season 11 got deleted off of our DVR.
@@highjinx6519 no problem
Plus unlike as on Netflix, where for example they've cut around 15 minutes from the Pilot Episode, Disney+ isn't cut.
Yeah Disney+ is using the censored version for S7E1 (so no "Fucking fuckidy Fuck" by Negan) but at least it isn't Cut short
Funny, when Negan showed up in the series, I just wanted him dead. And was shocked when he was still around all season long. I just thought "That guy needs to be dead"! Than I felt it was ridiculous when he was still around the following seasons. But later I love how he changed. Love the scene where he was in that house with a bottle of whiskey at the fireplace and was arguing wing his old self until he threw the glass at him.
I think his character arc was one of my favorites in the series because they did such a great job of making you seethingly hate him to really understanding the humanity in him and what a mind fuck that arc was. That scene was really good. I like that they took time to develop his arc separately from Maggie and when they’re finally in each others lives you have to sit with the complexity of the relationship as a viewer. You went negan dead for Maggie’s sake but you know more about him now which makes him harder to unanimously hate. When Maggie finally comes up to him to address forgiving him, her final monologue holds the dynamism that the viewer has been forced to for a few seasons now. It was brilliantly said as well. Yep, one of my favorites
Same Negan was dead to me after Glenn but he became a likable asshole after his power trip
Nah his presence was ludicrous right until the end. A proper ending would have been Maggie shooting his new wife in the head in front of him and then killing him.
@@dom404gamer8 I still think negan can die. I still hate him for what he did to Glenn. My friend told me I'd warm up to negan (I didn't start watching until a month or so ago) nope. Fuck him ha
For sure! 100% best character arc.
Not that this has much plot or really even lore significance is in S4 what really happened between Sam and his girlfriend? Like she gets her leg cut off and then she's eaten by walkers just down the street. Thing is the cut was WAY too clean for it too have been a walker ripping it off. Like the circumstances of her death seem to maybe imply that Sam had actually killed her or sacrificed her to the walkers. But then again, how come Rick and Carol didn't hear any screams or anything? They weren't that far away from them.
I guess it doesn't matter at all since he dies in Terminus anyways, but still always pondered it in my mind
They really shoulda killed off Virgil when he kidnapped Michonne like it doesn’t make sense that he was kept alive
You don't remember the reason he did do you
Connie wouldn’t have been rescued though
ADOGGGG WASSSUP
He should of gotten stabbed and died
To me it doesn’t really make sense they kept Negan alive either. Like I know Carl wanted it but ??? How exactly did that benefit them?
the Georgie storyline still keeps up awake at night 😭 i was waiting for seasons to see when and how she would deliver on her promise and "show up again." in a way, i thought that she was going to end up being the leader of the Commonweath/play the Pamala character, but that wasn't the case. at any rate, i need closure lol
Who was that again?
i legit thought she is part of the commonwealth group back then. now her presence on show don't matter anymore since it is all about commonwealth and crm
@@stinkydinkyps3 Georgie was that white middle-aged woman wearing white hair and eye glasses who showed up at the Hilltop in a van with oversized wheels with 2 other survivors. Her mission was to find other communities and make trades where she would offer knowledge on how to make a better future in exchange for crates of food or music records. She was putting together a book. She gave Maggie a set of guides for windmills, aqueducts, and other stuff to help Hilltop thrive. She said she'd return to see their progress someday but instead ended up exchanging written letters/mail by way of bodyguards. In those letters, she convinced Maggie and baby Hershel to go on an expedition with her to build communities. It was implied that they built a community together...maybe,... in Knoxville, Tennessee... but it fell.
Just a plot device to give them energy technology and give Maggie a way out of the show. Not every character has to have a big purpose.
@@hebron12 that's a good point!
My theory on the variants:
The virus that reanimates the dead works alot like the flood from halo and also like a fungus. I say flood from halo because we've really only seen the variant walkers in big groups. The more walkers lumped together, the more virus is concentrated. Allowing it to communicate with itself and slowly get smarter. Like how in Halo, small out break of flood is bad but what ever, it can be dealt with. A big one however? They've made a graveminde and are now coordinating strikes and tactics. I say fungus as well because that could explain why gutting up allows you to walk with the dead. The sent from the rotted or dead flesh, blood and bile is emiting the "spors" or just super soaks you with the virus the hoard mind can't tell them apart.
Thats my Ted Talk.
I actually remember a theory about how heath was getting picked up by the crm but didn’t want to go with them so he resisted and tried fighting back resulting in his glasses getting knocked off and him getting taken away
Wonder if the Atlanta Hospital community made it through to the end. Dawn belived that someone would come to Save them and she wasn't completly wrong since communities like the commonwealth could do that.
That's one of the pther questions I still have ahah
They were confirmed to have all died by Greg Nicotero.
@@area8659 did he say why?
@@AbitantedelVault It doesn't matter... TWD started sucking even worse than it already did by S7x01.
They all died Rick team back there in session10
Great vid as always, I'm glad you are managing to find ways to make TWD content after the end of the show
It will be crazy not to continue Judith with same actress, she gathered so many fans, and I cannot see Judith in any other way.
They could spin off another series with judith as a older woman, who would be simply be a badazz swordsman, greater then her mother
@@edcrayzys3853 Just sounds miserable, though! Why can't they have happy lives?!
@@reacenessAnswer: several BILLION dead people walkin around each day
@@Josuh several billion??? the city would need to be a lot more crowded if there where several billion walkers
I think the characters that got their complete story arcs were statisfying and great but I do agree that some of them were left unfinished I guess that’s why they are getting their own story
Nobody expected Gabriel to last even a single episode, but he played a major part of the show.
We definitely need more Mercer! His character was awesome.
And I personally feel like everyone of these character should eventually come back together at the commonwealth in the end. Rick and Mercer need to meet. Daryl and ezekial should be the ones to introduce them as they are at each others throats
Princess and Mercer spin off ? 🤣
Edit: actually doesn’t sound so bad
My favorite line. Let's fuck some shit up 😂😊
Mercer FTW, they really underutilized his character/actor
@@JJLewis-so1iqI actually got chills when he said that. Sadly he didn’t go ham on everyone like I expected. 😂
@@rocioquiroz11No they didn’t lol. He was introduced in the first episode of season 11. The last season. And played one of the biggest roles of the season. Did you even watch it?
Better yet where’s Christa from the Games? What happened to Molly, the 400 characters, what’s happening at Richmond?
The didn’t give us conclusions to these characters. Huh it seems that TWD loves removing characters and then never bring them up again. What happened to David and Troy’s group? How did Morales’ family died? How did Heath come across the Scavengers and then get traded to the CRM? Where Vergil? Are the Telltale characters in the TV timeline? If so how did Shawn died? Was Glenn in Macon, it was referenced back in season 5. So many questions so little answers.
The Telltale games play in the comic timeline
The game is in the comics universe not the show universe
"Are the Telltale characters in the TV timeline?"
No, the games are in the comic timeline. So there's no point in assuming if they have any TV universe counterparts until stated otherwise.
christa is 100% dead
The 400 days characters can be see in carvers area(I don’t remember it’s name)
I hope the group in the nursing home with the sweet grandma and the three cute doggies from season 1 are OK. 🥰
In a cut scene rick and gang go back for them and they were all dead :(
@@kaiido 😭🥺💔
@@googelle7555yep governor killed them all
@@kaiidoon which episode does that cutscene appear?
@@polh14r55it’s a deleted scene, but since it was never brought up again everyone kind of took it as cannon. Which is valid, just because the group didn’t stumble on them again doesn’t mean they weren’t wiped out
I really want to know what happened to Scott. Like Dianne, he's been around for a long time (since Season 6) and is one of the longest surviving Alexandrians. He was in Season 10, I think was mentioned once in Season 11, but we haven't seen him
I hated Dianne.
who the fuck is scott
@@bradcarver8127 how you gon hate her she didn’t do anything
But isn't Dianne from the kingdom
She went from community to community never doing anything but bailing when things got tough. No loyalty.
The PPP card is definitely an electronic card key for opening a door (or multiple doors). It's exactly like one I used on a job I had from 2009 to 2014. You'd normally wear it on a lanyard or a badge reel. Trying to remember what their card keys looked like at the medical facility in World Beyond...
Fear has moved to Savannah, GA. And I think that's not just for shooting, but for story. Maybe the Padre ship sailed there? So I doubt we'll see Georgie on that show. But wouldn't it be cool if she turned up in her own Tales ep, if they decide to do another season?
My bet is that the Rick & Michone show only goes those precious 6 episodes, and it leads them somehow back to Judith for closure, then ends with that bit they already shot with the grown up Grimes sibs.
How do we know it's not a ddd card upside down?
Where do the get electricity...from the 5 solar panels in Alexandria?
We all knows that that’s a key lol
In sheet music ppp represents a de crescendo meaning to reduce volume. Could have been a tease for the whisperers
Despite my thoughts of Gabriel from feeling bad for him when he met the gang, murdered in his church, and muscled in his life to getting annoyed how Gabriel became too dark and coldly killing Robert Patrick’s character, Gabriel is one of the remaining characters to have the most satisfying and well deserved character arc. Him opening the gates for the people, symbolically redeeming his past deed, hits the show so heavily.
nah he didn't redeem anything all those people are still dead
The theory for the A and B I believe has always been "After Bitten" and "Before Bitten", I think they work on both A's and B's and they test formulas on B's to see if certain things would still turn people.
For the variant zombie reasoning why we didn’t see it most seasons : the virus is fighting itself , although it was innate inside our bodies as soon as it woke up it started to try and change itself , but the “variant” wasn’t strong enough to take over (and the original strain won) until season 10 again where it might fail to take hold again .
This is how real viruses operate and as long as we aren’t assuming the zombie disease is supernatural , we could easily assume the variant virus isn’t strong enough to present itself in a lot of infected , so in the beginning at Atlanta we see a small surge of variants but that strain of virus was wiped out by the original strain , until now (again).
So if the variant can take hold and mutate the original virus into creating all zombies into tool using climbing zombies , it would likely never regress to the original virus unless we vaccinated the hell out of it .
To add to this. The variants might be among the huge hordes. And are most likely the ones "spared" when human survivors leave cuz the horde is to big.
They are suppose to be "intellegent" with the use of tools and grabbing weapons to survive. And with all the clearing out of random zombie stranglers. We see them more an more.
We dont get more variants per say. They are just the ones left. If that makes sense.
I also think they degrade slower than the normal walkers. So we will end up with regular walkers decaying and the variants staying "fresher"
Lmao y’all coping hard. The reason we didn’t see it is because y’all were happy enough to consume and purchase TWD product anyways 😂
I feel like an A is someone from a community that is loyal to it, and since they are loyal they won’t want to be in the CRM so they use them to try and find a cure. and a B is someone just alone in the wild. Because Negan was an A, Jadis says Rick was an A but she lied so he can live. And when Gabriel told Jadis he has to tell Rick that Jadis was gonna trade someone, Jadis said “and all this time I thought you were a B” because Gabriel before hand had lied to Rick about where Jadis was one night. But since gabe was more loyal to Rick she basically called gabe an A then knocked him out.
i thought they use A's to experiment on for a cure in the CRM. B's are people that they put to work like decontamination zones and such. If you watched the Walking Dead World Beyond it goes into detail on it. but i could be wrong.
Thought maybe this is an alpha and beta thing again
Game thrones writers: ignore every loose end and plot holes
Walking dead: write that down!
To be fair, that's every TV show.
@@MistahUnknown to say that every TV show is as bad as game of thrones is not fair at all
Anyone else think it would be cool if after all spin off shows that they have a one episode that is like 20 years later and they show all communities and what happened to them maybe make a mini season(like season 1).
I can imagine that the writers wanted to address certain loose ends and Gimple being like:
"Just ignore it. I don't care"
Gimple and Angela ruined the show.
Honestly though, what the fuck happened to Gimple. He was behind some of the best episodes ever made, now he just makes garbage
@@jeffrobodeenyehcmon5925 Gimple and Angela saved the show... then two seasons later Gimple and Angela ruined the show.
They both spent too long as showrunners. Seasons 4-6 (Gimple) are amazing. Seasons 7-8 (Gimple) ruined the show. Seasons 9-10 (Kang) saved the show from the ruins, then those 6 extended S10 episodes + S11 (Kang) ruined the show again.
They should have quit while on top to keep the show fresh
@@JoeyJoJo85 I literally could not agree more with this
@snoopwoggywogg I thought Gimple wasn't writing for the show after season 9. Angela Kang did ok to me, season 11 started out a bit slow, bit it picked up and became a movie almost.
I hope Judith and RJ show up. It would be weird, like Michone and Rick abandoned them if they don’t.
First of all when i first watch the walking dead i really thought that carol and daryl are the characters that easily die but I'm surprised that they're the last standing since season 1
rick darryl carol, Morgan. does judith count she was a fetus at the time. i think thats all of the characters that made it till the end from season 1.
Missing Characters:
Georgie
Cyndie
Heath
Kal
Eduardo
Scott
Bertie
Virgil
Margret
Nora
Oceanside: Rachel
PPP Card
Missing Ending
*Other Missing Characters:
Rick
Michonne
Morgan
Jadis
Dwight
Sherry
Knife Walker
CRM
Negan/Gabriel Jadis Connection
Morgan, Dwight and Sherry are all in the spinoff fear the walking dead, Jadis was on the final episodes of twd world beyond, she has a prominent role in the CRM. World beyond is pure CRM arch. Highly recommend world beyond if you like the CRM.
@@freeman8857 none of the other characters know that.
Finally the video we were all waiting for!!
You forget the was one single Variant walker in Season 3 were a walker pulls apart a piece of the wall that protects woodbury, he is the only walker between Season 2 to Season 10 that ever did something like this
What about the sitting zombies in the church during season 2?
Also the season 2 finale the rv door opened before jimmy died
Even going back further than that, in literally the pilot episode, Morgans wife was trying to open the door to his house when they were in there looking through the peephole. Its like they got dumber, then smarter again. I remember seeing an interview where in the first couple episodes, they wanted the walkers to be more intelligent and decided not to go that route but then it circles back near the end.
@@Tacomaguy458 season 1 they were all smart then the director quit and they got dumb bc the new director decided to make it that way but a few times the zombies seemed to be smart again these are now retconned to be variants like in one of the webisodes there's a running walker
@@topsdaily_productions I’m well aware but if you are going to try and educate someone, he didn’t quit, Frank Darabont was fired.
I’m pretty sure Maggie mentions Negan’s wife in the finale when she tells Negan they are welcome to stay.
She does
However all the spinoffs conclude - we just need to see Rick and Michonne finally coming home to Judith and RJ and the community. The story in the comics and since season 1 has always been about Rick and his family, like the silent narrator of the show. For all 11 seasons and incoming spin offs, for everything Rick has been through, he deserves to find his family again, Judith and RJ deserve it and we the viewers who have stayed with this show for 11 seasons, with all the great and stupid parts, we deserve that resolution at the end, however we get there and if only its for the final few minutes of the final episode........we need it........
One of the biggest mysteries is "Who was in Randall's group?"(Besides Dave and Tony obviously)
Randall, back in S2, said that his group was about 30-ish men strong, heavily armed, Raping, murdering.
What other group does this sound like?
The group that attacked Terminus before Gareth and co turned into Canibals.
You know the one group we saw in Flashbacks in S5? The one that later got put in the containers and than got freed by Rick and his group?
I like to believe that Randall's group (after they left him to die) found Terminus, took the place over and than Garreth and co fought back and put them in the containers
Nah it’s the governor bro
@@grove5456 can’t be
@@grove5456 nope
@@C0nscious21 yea tf it is
@@dariusgreysun governor was teased in 2 seasons already so 🤷🏽♂️
The first Walker that Rick seen was a variant... The little girl she picked up the teddy bear
That wasn’t the first walker he saw but good point
My guess for the sudden appearance of the Variants, is that they are regional Variants, which explains how the were known by the the researchers in france but not to the cdc, and their "sudden" appearance is explained through the migration of walker hordes, which drove Variants away from their point of origin and slowly diffused them into the larger walker population but also spread them to new locations.
Cope. Their appearance is due to AMC having milked y’all for over a decade with stale azz zombies, and now they tease you to consoom future products with THE SAME PROMISE MADE IN SEASON 1 😂
I thought the whisperers interaction with them taught them a few things
I'm excited for the spin-offs....but, it's weird to think we will never see Eugene, Carol, Jerry, Aaron, Rosita, and Ezekiel ever again....Judith too. I'm still really sad about it ending...
don't count on that. money talks. carol isn't interested in doing the show, understandably, because she wants time for herself. however, i would bet at least a cameo in daryl's new show. or somewhere down the line. eugene? he's much too smart to be ignored for future show work. they ended the show and split it up into individual shows because of streamingrights so anything is creatively fair game at this point.
Carol is going to be seen again in season 2 of the Daryl spinoff. It was already confirmed but sad that we will only have 6 episodes for the Rick and michonne and there will only be one season😢
@@gabrielgarcia167 when are shows coming? Like Rick and Michonne show and Daryl in France? Will it be on Netflix?
@@RickGrimes__ No D+ I think...Disneys owns them now as far as I know, since they bought Fox
@@DarylMCDeath when is it coming out?
Sad to realize while we are getting much more, we are likely not going to see so many great characters like Ezekiel, Gabriel, Aaron, jerry, mercer, princess and more ever again.
While it's incredibly sad, just think that it means there's no chance to have them be killed off and they can just live their happy lives.
@@Skypost4ever facts rather see them alive with a happy ending then killed off.
And Carol
@@shrutiraina4786 nah we gon see her again just not right away, Norman said they’ll meet again
@@shrutiraina4786 I’m pretty sure she’s going to be in the Daryl Dixon show.
I always wondered where Scott went. He was getting a bigger role at the end of season 10 and then just kind of disappeared.
He was just ine of the "big extras" characters who were in the show for years but they were just there for continuity rather than to play an actual role. Like apparently the woman who gets eaten (not jules) in the final episode in the hospital was an oceanside character whod been in the show since they were introduced but did anyone actually know anything about her?
@@willbaker6532 Yeah, her name was Beatrice, she was there since the first moment we met Ocenaside; the Saviors (specifically, Justin) killed her husband, which is why she killed him with her spear-gun weapon ... She and Tara had a face-off twice ... If you paid attention, you would have known who she was
My theory has always been Rick and Health are going to meet up at the CRM place where Rick is and they team up to overcome or Escape from there. Or Rick wants to start a Riot against the CRM and Health backs him and gets everyone involved
By far the best character development was Gabriel and Aaron. Gabriel was reserved and scared shitless when they found him and he turned into the 1 eyed machete wielding badass by the last season. He was always the voice of reason until the bonus episode with him and Aaron when they got drunk and were forced to play Russian roulette by the T-1000. He changed his view drastically after that. Aaron was the scout for Alexandria and could hold his own but as he learned from Ricks lead, he had to become hardened or die. His turning point for me was when he ran into Negan while he was wearing the whisperers mask after he went missing and was super aggressive about it. After that, the reasonable side of him was long gone other than trying to play ball with Hornsby.
I think the show was fantastic and super entertaining but I was ultimately just "along for the ride" after the whisperers went away. I think the whole reapers thing was just weird and drawn out and this whole last season was a bit of a shit show of politics. 24 episodes taking over a year and a half to air just to leave a bunch of doors open for spinoffs and kill a few main characters was a super letdown. I did like that they brought back Morales ( I think was his name ) from the original group at the quarry was an interesting spin but the whole last season was pretty predictable and drawn out for what we all knew was going to happen 2 episodes into it. I would've liked to get a bit more backstory on the commonwealth if its going to eat up 24 episodes. There were supposedly 50,000 residents however we only seen a very small piece of it. If there was really 50k people there, it would be an enormous settlement. Shit, for all we know, Rick could've been running a district of it and we would never have known because he isn't mentioned at all in the last season to anyone from the commonwealth. They could've said his name to Hornsby and he was like, "oh Rick Grimes? he is a leader here. Hop in this car and we can go say hi".
I don't think they meant ALL the zombies in ATL were variants. I took that to mean the ones we saw bashing windows with rocks or climbing fences or turning doorknobs even. They did see a few but again, with respect to the story and lore they didn't think much of it cuz it was all new back then. Anyway I hope we see a few characters again, Aaron for one, they could do a lot more with that character I think, he's one of the better characters that got the shaft there a bit in the end.
I saw/read (can't remember which) an interview with Greg Nicotero where he basically said to ignore what those walkers did back in season 1. Like you mentioned he said it was all new and they hadn't nailed down the "rules" for how zombies can act.
I'm really impressed with the character development of Aaron but I don't wish to see him getting any big screen time. I never liked him on the show for a reason I can't put my finger on. They should leave him out of those spinoffs and just have it implied that he's successfully running whatever colony [Maybe it was Alexandria] that he's supposed to be a leader of.
Love the breakdown. Thanks man. I agree on the later characters getting better “complete” arcs.
A character you missed was Dwight. Felt like there was more to be added with him going to find his wife. They did too much with his character as far as growth to no bring him back. I see him making a return in the Daryl spin off
He’s in Fear The Walking Dead.
Exactly
he has a huge storyline in fear the walking dead, he finds his lover Sherri
You must have totally missed fear the walking dead, he finds Sherri
@@thethriftytypewriter yeah but he’s been in it for like a total 1-2 hours in the show - basically a side side character
You didnt go over the huge group michonne saw in her last episode.
I thought that was a horde!
They were actually walkers. I also thought it was a group of people initially, but a closer look helps.
@@ArthurMrgan no, it was obviously people trekking across the country. They had wagons, horses, and the guy even says "they'll leave us behind"
@@bloodyraptor6251 I remember that, and you’re right, but that technically wasn’t her last episode, 11x24 was, I just assumed the original commenter was referring to that episode.
@@ArthurMrgan okay, but that was like a 3 min cameo at he end of the credits. Meanwhile her actual last episode is entirely Michonne, which is why people call it her last episode
I am on season 3 now, maybe i am too early for this video, but i just can't miss your videos, good job
"Fear the walking dead is still years behind the walking dead in universe time" I actually think that's the perfect reasoning to have Georgie to show back up. We know that season 4 of fear is at the same time as the first half of season 9 of the walking dead as Morgan leaves right after Negan is defeated. And fear jumps ahead in time a lot more than the walking dead does so while I don't think we'll see her again it definitely is possible given the timelines.
They just said this will be the last season of …. Fear the walking dead. So I would not bet on Georgie shiwing back up! Lol 😂
@@donnaschoen1015 well in my defense I said this before that announcement lol
Did Randall (Dave and Tony) have something to do with the death of Morales family? I felt like it was implied by something that was said in season 8 when he reappears during all-out war...
What are you talking about? I thought that it was confirmed his family was eaten by a horde
@@Mickaye I thought he said something about being attacked and left for dead?? And Randall made some comments about " that guy we killed in front of his wife/kids" .. ?
@@s.beccari4678 no they were eaten by a horde and hes the only one who made it out and from there he was a broken man until negan took him in
Nah Dave and Tony had nothing to do with the Death of Morales family.
I got a much more plausible Headcanon for Randall's group through.
Randall said that his group was about 30-is men strong, heavily armed, rap8nf and murdering.....what if: Randall original was a member of the group that later attacked Terminus?
You know, the group that attacked Terminus (the one we saw in the flashbacks in S5) that later got put in the Containers..
That group exactly was what Randall was talking about.
We possibly never get an answer to that but I like to believe that this group was Randall's group, found their way to Terminus, took the place over and than the Terminus People fought back
Another thing is, what ever happened to randalls group????
The most important question is 'who betrayed them to the Saviors, on the road??!?!'
'how did they shut down EVERY path, so completely?'
You can't allocate those kinds of resources, on a 'hunch'.
SOMEONE told the Saviors when and where the Survivors were going.
It's kind of insulting that they never revealed that.
It's a glaring loose end.
Lol
I still love how they decided to cover for the Season 1 Walkers with "Variants". It's funny.
I think an interesting mini series would be if you take a member of every group, a savior, terminus, whisperer, ect. And put them in an impossible situation forced to work together to survive, using each unique skill. The infighting and philosophy difference of each "villian" group would be interesting specially on that they are random members.
This sounds like Real World: Walking Dead lol. "When 7 strangers stop being polite and start getting real". I would watch that.
The walking dead what if...
So we not gonna talk about the fact gabriel and eugene went before rosita and her baby in the overwhelming scene
Daryl was waiting patiently, he probably had to put her down since Eugene and Gabriel couldn’t
Not sure if it’s been answered but when Maggie came back to the show there was a small mention of Georgie. Maggie went with her to her community.
legit how does anyone miss this
Keep up the great content man
Still wanna know when did Sophia get bit and when she got in the barn.
how did the saviors know when to set up road blocks and the group was heading to hilltop.
How did rick escape the RV of hordes in season 6.
She got bit where she dropped her doll and turned and Otis found her already turned and lured her into the barn. It all happened within the same day/night most likely since the next day is when Carl is shot and they find the farm not knowing that Sophia was already a walker inside the barn next door, and that’s why everyone was so defeated when they found her already dead because they all wasted their time finding a little girl somewhere in the woods when she was right next to where they were staying the whole time
Good speculation. Maybe make a tales episode.
The whole barn arc was totally lame. How long was Rick's group on the farm yet never saw or heard the numerous zombies moving around inside the barn?
How did the ladies have perfect eye brows, hair cuts, dyed hair???
Y'all still in these comment sections hating on the show, why you still here? Big love tho thrift keep it up
What happened to the woman who impersonated Stephanie to Eugene but was actually working for Hornsby in the Commonwealth?
You know it’s a good day when thrifty uploads
Finally the video I’ve been waiting for
My biggest unanswered question..... what happened to Oceanside??
Luke and Jules mentioned in one of the later episodes when they ran into Aaron and Jerry that the commonwealth had gone in and taken over, so I'd assume it's still up and running under Ezekiel and Mercer now. who knows, guess it wasn't important enough to mention
In fairness I can't see how the group took Virgil in.
Last we see of Michone is her leaving with Virgil never to be seen again. Then he just appears back without her and a story and they take him in?
For all the knew he could've done anything to her. Yet they just say "oh well, why don't you hang with us".
They are way too trusting.
Regarding Heath, that could be him in the helicopter talking to Rick. The voice is familiar.
My biggest question is will dog return? I think it would be really cool to see Judith again fighting walkers with the help of dog. I think she will become the main owner of him and hopefully we will see more of them in the Rick and michonne show.
heartworm
Dog died, got killed by Leah’s people
@@LivingwithBella wrong
@@LivingwithBella Dog survived that. You seem him in later episodes but not much of him. He is still alive at the end of season 11
I was a bit miffed that Annie was missing from the end. Not just because it left it open ended as to what happened to her and Negan's baby but she was pretty cute 🤣
Georgie could of been on Fear as season from 4 onwards it takes place after season 8 of twd but before episode 5 of season 9. However probably can’t happen now as Fear takes place in Georgia now.
It does?
Im guessing hornsbys line with the connections was just some line for the audience to get us guessing. We get a one year time jump at the end and nothing happend with the crm so to say and i doubt ezekiel/mercer would trade people with the crm to get supplies or whatever hornsbys arragement was
Commonwealth and all of the unanswered side stuff could have benefited from a 2 season run and the evolving walkers should have been revealed earlier when they were fighting the whisperers. Can you imagine if in the climax where the group fights Beta and instead of him being eaten by the walkers he was stabbed or something. That'd been a great twist.
I’m glad you mentioned how the PPP card looks like a security card, because I was thinking it as soon as that part of the video happened. I work at a Domino’s that used to be a bank and all the drivers and managers are given a keycard that looks exactly like the one Tara found. Idk if that’s a standard issue security card, but I never made that connection because I started working there years after watching season 7. It even looks like it has a similar thickness to our cards.
I’m actually surprised that you mentioned Negan dying to save Maggie or Hershel. I felt like I was the only one that could picture that lol.
I pictured the scene in the finale would go like this: Negan and Hershel gets cornered by that last horde and Negan uses his body to protect Hershel while Maggie looks on in horror. The rest of the survivors clear a path and Maggie rushes over thinking she lost her son only to see Negan fully protecting Hershel but with bits of him eaten off.
Maggie embraces Hershel and thanks Negan through tears. She holds Negan’s hand while he dies. Everyone around them gets to witness Negan going out as a hero.
As good of a character arc as that would be for Negan, I don’t want to see him die. At this point he’s like Rick or Daryl for me. I would honestly lose interest if he wasn’t in the show. I started to lose interest after Rick left, but Negan (and Daryl) carried the show hard through the last 2 1/2 seasons and kept me watching. Putting him in a spin-off with Maggie just to kill him off in the first few seasons wouldn’t make sense IMO. I think a large portion of the audience would lose interest in the show after that and stop watching.
@@Pred439 agreed, would be a mistake to kill negan, I also think its just way too painfully cliche for him to sacrifice himself, at the very least he needs scenes with rick before hes killed off
Love your videos man
Imagine if we had gotten 11 seasons of Frank Darabont TWD. AMC without budget cuts can do so much better
I sometimes wonder that too, what we got was still good though even through the rough times I call season 5b-8A
also who was the people michonne saved at her last scene and who did they belong to group wise
The writing for city of the dead is going to have to be immaculate for it to be believable maggie would go on a 2 person expedition with NEGAN more than likely without her son
Insane how strong Maggie has become, from a farm girl to being able to kick ass in hand to hand combat 🤙🏼
Farm girls are nothing like the city girls
I wouldve loved to see more between Daryl and Connie but apparently Connie's actress didnt have enough time to film much because she was doing an MCU thing
1 unanswered question I have is,at the end of the last episode of TWD,after the “1 year later” part,we don’t get to see the former commonwealth head lady…..is she still rotting in jail or have they put her through any kind of trial like what she did to Eugene,or what???
I don't mean to sound rude at all. But why does that even matter? Negan was in prison for like a half decade until someone forgot to close the cell door. My guess was that she was going to receive a life sentence like Negan.
No theory, but I would absolutely adore some moment in the Rick and Michonne spin-off where Michonne tells him about how much Judith has grown and matured despite still being young. My second hope is far fetched but I hope nonetheless that at some point they find Judith again, possibly when she's older, maybe a teenager, and it's this light shining behind her as she's seen after all this time moment. While dramatic and far fetched, I like the idea of a moment like that for Rick and Michonne to share.
Annie was mentioned by Maggie in the finale.
What happened to the Police Group where Beth died ? How come Aaron and Daryl didn’t go to bring them to Alexandria when they were searching for people ?
They're dead and were the reason Beth died, would of been stupid of Daryl to recruit them.
@@brianachim2670 how do you know they’re dead lol
They were in Atlanta. Alexandria is pretty far away. I think Daryl and Aaron stayed within easy travelling range of Alexandria.
Also, they gave the hospital people the option to join them when Beth died. It's a long journey to make for some people who might not even be alive anymore and had already turned down their offer once before.
@@raheemgilliam2224 Because they confirmed it 😂
@@brianachim2670 when they were never confirmed to be dead 💀
I've always been curious about what happened, to Heath. I mean, I know the actor went on to do the 24 spinoff, which didnt workout... But just the way he disappeared, Tara couldn't him either. Kinda creepy and sinister. I need to know lol
i think he is in tales of the walking dead. i think he gets taken by the CRM.
I always thought that he just ran away, and settled in some other place. In the last episode where we can see him, he struggles with accepting what the group (and the Alexandria community) has become. They just killed a lot of people in their sleep at the satellite station and Heath was clearly disturbed by that
Forgotten characters are All of Oceanside and Highwaymen. About 90% of the Saviors, Alexandrians, Hilltoppers and residents of the Kingdom and the Whisperers that moved to the Hilltop
Technically Daryl's character arc is complete. He's had the most character arcs beside Rick. He was constantly evolving from season 1 to the finale. The finale we just see Daryl starting a new arc.
I prefer the barc dog had.
Unanswered Questions: |1- Why not use sound (PA, explosives, etc) to divert zombies every time they threaten to invade communities? |2- Why is it that after years of killing zombies, there are times when the most experienced characters still struggle to kill a small group of 6 or 10 or even 1? |3- Why not use boats and live at sea? Fish, grow crops near the coast, walkers don't swim... |4- Why the hell they use so many bullets, full auto, on walkers that can be killed with knifes, spears, etc. And why they never run out or have to reload?
i love the call of duty zombies intro music
I was always hoping that there would be some sort of nod to Clementine from the games in the show, I know in an earlier season we got a (sort of) Lee reference when Michonne mentioned something about Macon but that was it. I know that they’re technically meant to be separate but considering Michonne had her own game and they mentioned Lee in the series it would’ve been cool to at least have some mention of Clem in the show. I’m hoping that Judith will sort of be like what Clementine was in the games, just a badass kid that can take care of themselves and the people around them. It would even be cool to see her possibly get her own spin off one day maybe. I haven’t actually watched season 11 yet as I haven’t seen past the end of season 8 after Carl dies, I’m rewatching the show currently and still have more questions than answers from even early seasons. There were so many characters that had the potential to be really great and although they may not have had much character progression (cough cough ** Andrea) towards the end they seemed really promising and then were just killed off, it was the same with Merle too. Again I’m aware that the tv series is supposed to be different from the comics otherwise it would be quite boring for those who have read the comics but sometimes consistency is nice. Sorry rant over haha
Was legit expecting Heath to come out of nowhere to save them from that last hoard
I like how they worked in protests in the zombie apocalypse. Good stuff
Concept for the R&M spin-off:
After a few years, when Judith and RJ are grown, RJ becomes ambivalent towards Rick (never really knew him) and actively opposed to Michonne for essentially abandoning him, leading to some form of war between communities and leaving Judith in the middle. Similar to the original Madison vs her kids premise Fear was aiming for
That would be absolutely laughable
no