Belangrijk dat verhalen verteld blijven. Elk vanuit zijn/ haar eigen perspectief. Verplaats je in de ander door in de schoenen van de ander te gaan staan . Hoe zou je zelf van dat standpunt het hebben ervaren en te reageren. De kijk op de dingen kan daardoor genuanceerder worden gebracht en ontvangen.
waarom wordt er nooit gesproken over de 200 miljoen aan goud en guldens dat via Batavia en New York naar Nederland is gesmokkeld en waarmee Nederland na de oorlog voor een deel mee is herbouwd terwijl Nederlands-indische immigranten alles zelf moesten betalen
De opa en oma van mijn ex hebben ook in een Japans kamp gezeten. Oma was Indonesisch, opa kwart Chinees als ik dat goed begrepen heb. Ze vertelden dat zij samen met Nederlandse en Indonesische mensen in een kamp zaten en verschrikkelijk hebben geleden daar. Ze hebben elkaar ook in het kamp ontmoet en daarna zijn ze naar Nederland gegaan. Helaas heb ik niet meer info kunnen krijgen voordat haar opa stierf.
Waarom moet dan koning zijn excuses aanbieden volgens groep mensen.. met bepaalde afkomst.. voor Nederland? Van Nederland? Mijn oma zei er niet veel over.. mijn opa ook niet lach te gevoelig…. Ene oma zijn met een schip terug gekomen… Andere kant van familie Indonesische oma … daar over nooit geweten hoe verhaal in elkaar zat… Nederland excuses? Volgens de bronnen van hier is America de boos doener van atoombom… en Japanners de mishandeling.. door in kampen… jammer genoeg is mijn opa vroeg tijdig overleden en bepaalde familie wilde hun verhaal niet vertellen en wachten tot zoveel mogelijk overleden waren.. inverband met rechten van verhalen…
After Indonesia Independence British and US got the oil,After West Papua integrated to Indonesia,US got Grassberg.Indonesian only got 1% of those gold and oil.take a look how many Freeport Mcmoran ltd and Newmont Gold mine in Indonesia.and Indonesia stil got a very minimum percentage of those gold.this is fact,the mine in Indonesia but gold smelter was there in Australia for decades.Indonesia even never know how many gold has taken by Grassberg until the mountain is gone now...
Jangan jangan mereka membuat kabar buruk bahwa sukarno mau dkudeta lalu pihak komunis tidak terima lalu suharto mengadakan pemulihan dan barat menumpangi juga
The wrong thing that Netherlands did to Indonesia is making them being the lowest class in their home country. If they're not being the lowest class, I think they still being dutch colony.
But that dont justify the many violence of Japanese soldiers and the Indonesia National pemudas against innocent people in the Bersiap era.Many victims were not only White Europeans,but Also Chinese,Indo Europeans and Moluccan people and some Indonesians with sympathy for the Dutch .An old Moluccan man in Batavia(Jakarta)was brutally slaughtered in his own house and after he was brutally killed the Jihad pemudas took all the belongings from house of the old Moluccan man
Indonesians know that, but you also have to know that the Dutch colonized Indonesia (the archipelago) , and how many people died as a result of that colonization, beautiful local women made into sex slaves, forced labor, trade monopoly, forced cultivation. the tragedy of "bersiap", what the Indonesian youth did at that time was also done by the Dutch, they took revenge for what the colonialists had done to their families, for a country that was in a vacuum of power, who could control the anger of the youth at that time? (Indonesian soldiers) also regretted the incident and it was called a military disaster, maybe, if the Dutch had never committed atrocities to civilians, the youth would not have done it either, war would have a domino effect, lead to deep hatred and would seek revenge, such as what happened in the tragedy "bersiap". but I as an Indonesian apologize profusely for the tragedy, and don't forget, the tragedy occurred because Dutch colonialism in Indonesia (the archipelago) have left deep wounds in the minds and hearts of indonesian people .
@@calobor9561 we were just free. The Dutch had been defeated by the Japanese in 1940s. After 1945, we took over the country and decleared Independence. However, these dutch folks did not honour our freedom. Instead, these people yelled that they would take revenge when the Dutch came and we would be under apartheid again. How do you feel about that? We felt "before they killed us, let's just eliminate them first".
@@dakonpediawiwi2973 In a struggle or war never one side is innocent, certainly not after well over 300 years of occupation/colonization. I As a Dutch apologize for that, my apologies for the greed of my ancestors. Indonesians have become integral to the Netherlands and i cannot imagine the Netherlands with out our Indonesian people, food and culture. And i hope in the future our national relations become better, bigger and that we can repay our moral and physical debt somehow. P.s. Any Dutch who knows history knows that the wealth of current Netherlands would not exist with out the help of the Indonesians, and the wealth we took. p.s.s. Indonesia Merdeka!
World have recorded on war history, Independence war of Indonesia 1945-1949, 2 General of AFNEI Forces died: Gen. AWS Mallaby, Gen. Robert Guy Simmon, and 1 Top Lead General of KNIL died: Gen. Simon Hendrik Spoor. 🔥
In Indonesia (1945-1949). How many innocent people have Dutch Veteranen killed? Did it invade like NAZI's? Are you not afraid of the day of vengeance from God?
Belangrijk dat verhalen verteld blijven. Elk vanuit zijn/ haar eigen perspectief. Verplaats je in de ander door in de schoenen van de ander te gaan staan . Hoe zou je zelf van dat standpunt het hebben ervaren en te reageren. De kijk op de dingen kan daardoor genuanceerder worden gebracht en ontvangen.
Schrijven is beter dan vertellen.
waarom wordt er nooit gesproken over de 200 miljoen aan goud en guldens dat via Batavia en New York naar Nederland is gesmokkeld en waarmee Nederland na de oorlog voor een deel mee is herbouwd terwijl Nederlands-indische immigranten alles zelf moesten betalen
Doofpot affaire
ik ben geabonneerd op je man, al je videos zijn super interessant en nice, ga zo door
Dit TV-Progamma is al 21 jaar op TV👌🏼
English subtitle please!!!!!
17 Agust! 🇮🇩🎉
De opa en oma van mijn ex hebben ook in een Japans kamp gezeten. Oma was Indonesisch, opa kwart Chinees als ik dat goed begrepen heb. Ze vertelden dat zij samen met Nederlandse en Indonesische mensen in een kamp zaten en verschrikkelijk hebben geleden daar. Ze hebben elkaar ook in het kamp ontmoet en daarna zijn ze naar Nederland gegaan. Helaas heb ik niet meer info kunnen krijgen voordat haar opa stierf.
Waarom moet dan koning zijn excuses aanbieden volgens groep mensen.. met bepaalde afkomst.. voor Nederland? Van Nederland? Mijn oma zei er niet veel over.. mijn opa ook niet lach te gevoelig…. Ene oma zijn met een schip terug gekomen… Andere kant van familie Indonesische oma … daar over nooit geweten hoe verhaal in elkaar zat… Nederland excuses? Volgens de bronnen van hier is America de boos doener van atoombom… en Japanners de mishandeling.. door in kampen… jammer genoeg is mijn opa vroeg tijdig overleden en bepaalde familie wilde hun verhaal niet vertellen en wachten tot zoveel mogelijk overleden waren.. inverband met rechten van verhalen…
Bersiap!
After Indonesia Independence British and US got the oil,After West Papua integrated to Indonesia,US got Grassberg.Indonesian only got 1% of those gold and oil.take a look how many Freeport Mcmoran ltd and Newmont Gold mine in Indonesia.and Indonesia stil got a very minimum percentage of those gold.this is fact,the mine in Indonesia but gold smelter was there in Australia for decades.Indonesia even never know how many gold has taken by Grassberg until the mountain is gone now...
Jangan jangan mereka membuat kabar buruk bahwa sukarno mau dkudeta lalu pihak komunis tidak terima lalu suharto mengadakan pemulihan dan barat menumpangi juga
It's over now, Indonesia hold 51 share of Freeport
@@briantarigan7685 that's not actually true,because the government buy it,basicly they buy their own property.
Merdeka Atau Mati, Udah Bosan Dijajah Asing,, waktu.ya indonesia bahagia
# merdeka, anti belanda
Waktunya indonesia bahagia dan soal waspada itu ke semua negara, ga cm belanda doang wkwkwk. Tidak anti negara apapun :)
Sekarang dijajah koruptor 😂
The wrong thing that Netherlands did to Indonesia is making them being the lowest class in their home country. If they're not being the lowest class, I think they still being dutch colony.
But that dont justify the many violence of Japanese soldiers and the Indonesia National pemudas against innocent people in the Bersiap era.Many victims were not only White Europeans,but Also Chinese,Indo Europeans and Moluccan people and some Indonesians with sympathy for the Dutch .An old Moluccan man in Batavia(Jakarta)was brutally slaughtered in his own house and after he was brutally killed the Jihad pemudas took all the belongings from house of the old Moluccan man
Indonesians know that, but you also have to know that the Dutch colonized Indonesia (the archipelago) , and how many people died as a result of that colonization, beautiful local women made into sex slaves, forced labor, trade monopoly, forced cultivation. the tragedy of "bersiap", what the Indonesian youth did at that time was also done by the Dutch, they took revenge for what the colonialists had done to their families, for a country that was in a vacuum of power, who could control the anger of the youth at that time? (Indonesian soldiers) also regretted the incident and it was called a military disaster, maybe, if the Dutch had never committed atrocities to civilians, the youth would not have done it either, war would have a domino effect, lead to deep hatred and would seek revenge, such as what happened in the tragedy "bersiap". but I as an Indonesian apologize profusely for the tragedy, and don't forget, the tragedy occurred because Dutch colonialism in Indonesia (the archipelago) have left deep wounds in the minds and hearts of indonesian people .
@@calobor9561 we were just free. The Dutch had been defeated by the Japanese in 1940s. After 1945, we took over the country and decleared Independence. However, these dutch folks did not honour our freedom. Instead, these people yelled that they would take revenge when the Dutch came and we would be under apartheid again. How do you feel about that?
We felt "before they killed us, let's just eliminate them first".
@@dakonpediawiwi2973 Uhu, do you want money now?
@@dakonpediawiwi2973 In a struggle or war never one side is innocent, certainly not after well over 300 years of occupation/colonization. I As a Dutch apologize for that, my apologies for the greed of my ancestors. Indonesians have become integral to the Netherlands and i cannot imagine the Netherlands with out our Indonesian people, food and culture. And i hope in the future our national relations become better, bigger and that we can repay our moral and physical debt somehow.
P.s. Any Dutch who knows history knows that the wealth of current Netherlands would not exist with out the help of the Indonesians, and the wealth we took.
p.s.s. Indonesia Merdeka!
the thief & robber wanna go back, no way...
Born to be alive is niet van de Village People !
En ook niet van Patrick Hernandez.
Zeer mooi land ga er graag heen, jakarta, bekasi, bogor, depok.
Yes
I welcome all Dutch people to come and visit
Tenno Heika Banzaaaiii
ik hou van jou Indonesia
World have recorded on war history, Independence war of Indonesia 1945-1949, 2 General of AFNEI Forces died: Gen. AWS Mallaby, Gen. Robert Guy Simmon, and 1 Top Lead General of KNIL died: Gen. Simon Hendrik Spoor. 🔥
we should ask the basic question, if the Dutch were not there would this happened, had they stayed in Europe.
De top van het K.N.I.L. nam de benen richting Broom, januari/ februari 1942. Helden op sokken.
Jammer dat er onder zulke mooie documentaires geen engelse ondertiteling zit.
Waarom zouden we dat in vredesnaam doen in Nederland???
kedamaian di hatimu kedamaian di dunia
Santi Santi Santi 🕉
kerusuhan sosial..
Schandelijk. Maar goed dat mijn schoonouders daarna naar Nederland kwamen. Ach toen was het ook geen leven.
dont blame inlanders for yours mistakes
0:22 handig die slogan slogan in het engels, zo glad als een paling in een emmer snot
Toffe content, veel te veel reclame.. 1tje tussendoor vind ik niet erg, maar 5 reclame momenten in een video van 17min vind ik wat veel man😂
Much info from this channel, rain forrest war in volcano mountain tropical land, ok trma ksh
Had nooit moeten gebeuren! Wanbeleid.
will never happened if the Dutch didn't come and start claiming the land as their's
zwarte vlek op de kaart van Nederland
Ungabunga!
In Indonesia (1945-1949). How many innocent people have Dutch Veteranen killed? Did it invade like NAZI's? Are you not afraid of the day of vengeance from God?
God isnt real
If you don't believe why should you be afraid of god then?
Bravo !! Well said, Pakde. Don't worry, God DOES know. Karma is a bitch.
Social Justice??🤣 200 Chinese indonesian on Ferarri,Bugati,Lamborgini cars among 20 millions unemployed.😆
mereka dapet jatohan saat Belanda hengkang dari Indonesia.
Jammer dat het zo moest gebeuren en dat gezeik van excuus moet kappen nooit excuus aanbieden.
We hadden het anders aan moeten pakken. Dan waren we nu een wereldmacht... Maar helaas...
Tenno Heika Banzai!