Archaeological Oddities: Samson's Tribe of Dan (Z15G) by Seth Fleishman / World History by a Jew™

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  • @OldieBugger
    @OldieBugger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thank you for this interesting lecture. It occurred to me that the Aegean-style temple in Tel Dan may have been so small because it was built by a minority who didn't want to change their religious practices. There are always conservative people, in any group.

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I completely agree. Glad you enjoyed!

    • @bethbartlett5692
      @bethbartlett5692 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well done!
      But I see them as Liberals. 😘

    • @bethbartlett5692
      @bethbartlett5692 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      I see them as Liberals ...
      Course I am supposed to be one of those. 😁 ...
      Well .... 😘

    • @BBWahoo
      @BBWahoo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannelVery educational! Thank you for showing us your hard work!

  • @50megatondiplomat28
    @50megatondiplomat28 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Earned my subscription, for sure. I have always suspected that the Bible accurately reflected ancient history to a great degree and I have also questioned the legends around the tribe of Dan. I think I am the only person I know on a personal level that has read the Old Testament more than five times all the way through, so it's nice to learn from people who have probably read it even more than me. Very informative! Great work!

  • @NormBoyle
    @NormBoyle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    going through your series a second time. amazing both times - so much to learn.

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! I'm honored you're watching again. Someday, when my schedule allows, I want to get to making new videos.

    • @lindamclernon1330
      @lindamclernon1330 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel I hope you find time soon - I have just found your series and would love to hear more of your content. Every topic covered on your "What should I do a lecture on next?" Quiz was intriguing. Your presentations and research are top notch.

  • @TheBalance2024
    @TheBalance2024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your videos, I watch them all the time. You’re better than any professor I listed to in college. God Bless 👍 🇮🇱

  • @lesliesylvan
    @lesliesylvan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    R.I.P. Hershel Shanks

  • @Newsvinesynth
    @Newsvinesynth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looking forward to your wrap-up!

  • @annpenso7299
    @annpenso7299 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always fantastic! Thank you, you really help me to stitch the narrative together. This makes too much sense.

  • @rafigassel
    @rafigassel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    amayzing work Seth, I'm starting to think about a show to tell this story from the perspective of Genetics and biblical mythology and maybe it will match up witht he archeology as well.
    basically you have three paternal markers that having all three in a population in significant amount indicates Levant origins. You have E1b1 which is associated with the Netufians, J1 which is accosiated with Jews and Arabs, 50% of Cohanim, 70% of Bedouin, predominant in Arabia as well as Levant populations in general. This is the most common ancestry found among Canaanite era samples thus far sequenced, we could call this the family of Abraham in a sense, originates in the Caucuses/Armenian Highlands and seems to show up around 4000 years ago. Then you have J2, which is also from the same regions as J1 originally, but found a lot in Mycenean Greeks as well as modern Jews, Lebanese and other Levant Populations. We see Aegean ancestry show up in the region in both Philistia and in Phoenicia around 3200 years ago, there is no reason to think that if they mixed with the Phoenicians and the Canaanites who are living in Philistia, there is no reason that those Aegeans who are living in what later becomes part of Israel that they didn't also absorb these Aegeans into the Israelites, and this admixture seems relatively significant, particularly in Jewish people today. If this is the case with Dan I think there is reason to suspect that this is also the case with the Shardana and Tjeker also being absorbed at least in part to the Israelites, either as full tribes or just being absorbed into Israelite tribes. I also think there are more hints of sea people lore finding it's way into the biblical stories, such as a battle in the sea with the Egyptians, captivity in Egypt proper and a very grandiose conquest story and the idea that the boundaries of Israel somehow extend in some places much farther north than what we think of as Israel throughout most of the text. If you want to collaborate and find other archeological and extra biblical textual sources to help test this theory of significant ancient Aegean admixture into the Israelites, that would be really cool.

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, Rafi! Based on the DNA data you provided, I'd say the archaeology backs up what you have said in the first half of your message. I'm going to ask you to watch the next and final lecture on this topic, which I hope to release end of next week. You'll see how all these Bronze Age Collapse videos, particularly the Samson mini-series, are linked. At that point, let me know how you'd work in the DNA. In the meantime, I strongly recommend some research into DNA studies in Anatolia, particularly Cilicia (southeastern Turkey) first and foremost, and secondly Ionia in the West, if you can find anything.

    • @rafigassel
      @rafigassel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel I'll look into the Celicians, I always thought there was a connection between the Pelesgains,in Greece proper, the later Palestin in south central Anatolia and the later Philistines, so like Mycenean era Greece, then making their way across southern Anatolia and then down the coast to Israel, I assume if they stopped along the way in Anatolia you would see a similar ancestry trace. I will check with my friends who are more knowledgeable about ancient DNA studies in this region. Unfortunately there are not publications yet with Israelite era ancient DNA sample,, we have good samples from Philistines, a large number from Phoenicians and Canaanite era Levantines, so we have to make the leap from ancient to modern Jewish populations to bring it all together, but I think there is a good case in the DNA to show a connection that is quite interesting here.
      I'm looking forward to the next episode, Chag Kosher V'Sameach!

  • @SheilaBang
    @SheilaBang 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    FANTASTIC !!! THIS SERIOUS ARCHOLOGICAL GILD!!! IM IMPRESSED.
    GOD PRESERVES HIS PRIOF ... ITS ALL THERE!!! BLESSINGS FOR YOU, THE ISRAELI PEOPLE, JERUSALEN AND THE WHOLE OF THE LAND.
    MAY GOD PROTECT AND BLESS YOU ALL.
    MAY YOU ALL DWELL IN GODS SAFE SECRET PLACE.
    PEACE BE WITH YOU ALL.
    THANK YOU TO GOD AND YOU FOR MUCH EDUCATION.
    I WANNA KNOW IT ALL.😊😊😊

  • @henkisos6097
    @henkisos6097 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice anecdote: my former landlady was the excavator who found 2 of the 3 parts of the Tel-Dan stella

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's absolutely amazing! Maybe we should get her on the channel!

    • @henkisos6097
      @henkisos6097 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel I'm willing to connect, She is originally American, so no problem with the language

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sure! Let's reach out to her. I'm thinking to pull out the clip in this video when I talk about the Tel Dan Stela. Then, I can add her interview to the clip, and we'll have a nice stand alone special. My email is HistoryByJew@gmail.com. Thanks!

  • @lesliesylvan
    @lesliesylvan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderfully stimulating, from a thoughtful investigator. TY

  • @MTB214
    @MTB214 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for your great lesson. I'll be sharing this.

  • @margielafferty518
    @margielafferty518 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    New to your channel. Love it and sharing it.
    That said...
    Let's not forget they were under Philistine rule. This was a long occupation. That's why his parents feared him making an enemy of them and said you are making us obnoxious to them. That's why his countryman turned him over.
    Looks like they mixed their religion with the philistines before they migrated north.
    As for wanting a Levite, everyone wanted a holy man.
    Again love your work. God bless you.

  • @jeffreysmith6910
    @jeffreysmith6910 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seth, interesting lectures as always. How do you think Danites had so many greco/philistine culture/traditions? Do you think the tribe of Dan absorbed (or joined themselves) local philistines? Did the Israelites convert/absorb a group of people that brought their pre-existing culture with them? Are you suggesting the person Dan (from Jacob/Bilhah) is a later invention to explain the Danite people?

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, Jeffrey! I'm going to answer all these questions in the next and final lecture in this series. The grand finale will tie all this together. Hope to have it out by the end of next week.

  • @christydeannl3105
    @christydeannl3105 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderful presentation

  • @DandinXY
    @DandinXY 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome presentation!

  • @barbojohnsung7113
    @barbojohnsung7113 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Seth, back again after a couple years :) hope you are doing fine!
    I want to tell you some thing about Dan***s, however we want to call them, that I just stumbled upon.
    It has to do with the heraclyds myth. Heracles was a descent of Danaos (that’s why we are here), 9th generation if I am not wrong; when he died, his descendants had to leave greece, chased by a guy named Eurystheus. Which the legend tells us he is a Dan***, but also son of Nikippe, daughter of Pelop. Pelop is also Agamemnon’s grandfather. Keep this in mind.
    So, the death of Heracles had to happen some decade before the trojan war, as we know that Heracles Slaughtered king Priam’s family, before placing Priam himself on the throne as a loyal ruler of Troy. So that, we have that before the death of heracles Troy was Dan-affiliated. Then Heracles dies, and his descents according to the legend, is oppressed by Erystheus, who is related to the Pelops and therefore to Agamemnon, and have to leave greece... just before some greeks, ruled by Agamemnon, besiege and destroy King Priam’s Troy.
    Can you see the picture? The trojan war was actually a civil war between descents of Danaos and Pelop, and the civil war hypothesis is now very well supported even outside the myth.
    Then the myth tells us that people fled from troy to the western mediterranean, settled and created new empires. But just few decades after the trojan war we have the sea peoples, included the Tjeker (Teucrians, people from Troy) and the Tursha (which is supposed to be people from the Italian thyrrenic coast, which is not strangely the place where Aeneas settled after the fall of Troy), together with the Danyens, the SharDANa (here Dan comes again?).
    a bit of chronology.
    around 1330-20 cataclysm followed by hercules-laomedontes war - Transition from troy 6h to 7a
    1320- 1304 king priam’s troy 7a
    1304-1294 trojan war - transition from 7a to 7b
    1294- around 1200 Achean troy Troy 7b1
    Around 1200 sea people invasion begin troy 7b2 (evident cultural shift)
    The approximate year of the End of Troy 6H was determined according to hittite texts talking about cataclism in the area.
    Following this assumption, the rest of the chronology is based on a carved text in a sardinian church that reports the came to Sardinia of Hyolaus and the heraclydes in the year 2769, as well as the came of Aeneas with some Trojans in the year 2785 (wierd calendar uhu?! if late 2700 is end of bronze age, year 0 would be around 4050 bc which is around the begin of egypt first dinasty, I believe - Dan from Egypt :D ).
    Let me get back to Sardinia just quickly: modern Sardinia dialects are proven to hold ancient egyptian and sumerian roots. A lot of modern words That we think derived from latin or greek don’t have an intrinsic meaning in latin or greek, while they do in the various Sardinian dialects. This would make Sardic/Sardinian a root language for all the western modern languages. There was most likely a greater Sardinian influence in the mediterranean that is slowly been re-discovered. The western mediterranean of those times is considered under-developed, but there is a lot under the carpet I guess.
    I wish this was interesting for you! Let me know if you did hear about the heraclyds myth and what you think!

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for posting! Hope all is well. That's a lot to digest. I'll have to look into it

  • @sloanslakedenver
    @sloanslakedenver 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    good lecture, good channel.

  • @johncope4977
    @johncope4977 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Seth, at 45 minutes you speak of similarity between the temples. It reminds me of a temple recently found in Jerusalem that was attributed to the high priest Melchizadek.

  • @JungleJargon
    @JungleJargon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would like to see a video on the descendants of Javan: Elisha, Dodanim, Kittim and Tarshish. These were the original Mediterranean "Greek" sea people (excluding the L of Tiras Thracians) which had the paternal Y chromosome haplogroup of T and later became a significant part of the Phoenicians which basically consisted of the Y chromosomes of R1b of Riphath, T of Javan, G of Assyrians, Q of the Medes, I1 of *Dan,* I2 of Asher, J1 of Abraham, J2 of Judah, E of the Egyptians and B of Cush (possibly Canaan). I am of *Dan* I1.

  • @RealUvane
    @RealUvane 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Philistine is from Pelasgians from the Agean sea. It means pelican, like Thoth, who togheter with Ptah, who is Cronos/Hephaestus ✡️, who is the Master mason who commanded Gnomes, like Bas, to build megalithic structures. The Pelasgians were also called Atlantioi.

  • @BBWahoo
    @BBWahoo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    38:50
    Oh man! This was ground zero!

  • @robswright68
    @robswright68 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a great detective story.

  • @charachoppel3116
    @charachoppel3116 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I"m happy for the notice you got rid of that corona.

  • @jameswells554
    @jameswells554 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So the Danites were an outside group who were absorbed prior to the Exodus; perhaps a remnant of an earlier Group of Sea Peoples captured prior to Ramses the Great? We know the Shardana were employed as Mercenary Troops prior to; so why couldn't the Tribe of Dan have been raiders who had been captured and enslaved?
    We know the Egyptians expelled the Hyksos, and I am not saying the Israelites were the Hyksos; but what if the the Expulsion and the Exodus are related? The expulsion of an Administrative/Bureaucratic Class compromised of Foreigners which led to the expulsion of ALL Foreigners?

  • @donnasprague767
    @donnasprague767 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved this, thank you

  • @devarabergen1146
    @devarabergen1146 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wonderful lecture Seth as always. We enjoy your walk through the past and all the interesting connections. question do you think that the tribe of Dan is connected to the Dannion Sea Peoples? it looks like its a possibility,

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, Devara! I'm going to address this directly in my next lecture. Hope you have it early next week (running a few days behind as usual).

  • @MagicalCrimea
    @MagicalCrimea 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does pottery in Tel Qasile resemble Danoan pottery?

  • @bethbartlett5692
    @bethbartlett5692 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Last one was a Cliffhanger!
    Mercy ...
    I have got to go to Tel Dan.

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoyed. In case you haven't seen it, this video ties it all together: th-cam.com/video/lMesu2Ca93s/w-d-xo.html

  • @prokopimiden
    @prokopimiden ปีที่แล้ว

    hestia "εστια" was a part of the 12 gods of olympus godess of hearth and home (nevermind I saw you mentioned the goddess further on the vid)

  • @chantlive24
    @chantlive24 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting......!! Is there more detail as to why the tribe of Dan moved?. What was the key factor? I understand that they were being pushed around by the Philistines etc.. Is there any evidence of what actually causes the move?

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! There is a destruction layer at Tel Qasile, followed by Philistine culture matching Philistia. Therefore, the archaeology indicates they were forced out by the Philistines, which matches what the bible tells us, regarding conflict between the two.

    • @chantlive24
      @chantlive24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel Thanks .... I'm just watching your King Tut 2 lecture.

    • @chantlive24
      @chantlive24 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If ancient Egypt only just about survived the Bronze Age collapse and all of the other civilisations in the area seem to have gone the fact that it has survived is Interesting. Egyptology exists today presumably because a lot of the culture was preserved. I would've thought that many of the other great Empires would've had a similar legacy but because of the Bronze Age collapse and their destruction potentially there isn't as much Well preserved material to study ??

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Egypt is a special case, very hard to compare. It's a combination of wealth, phenomenal monuments, thousands of years of relative stability, and deciphering the script. From a Western viewpoint, perhaps most important is Greek tradition. The Greeks at their peak considered themselves the greatest civilization (don't we all), but they gave credit to the Egyptians for being the predecessor and originator of civilization. This legacy was passed to the Romans, and Roman legacy continued as Western Europe. This long tradition guarantees a significant level of interest and awe in ancient Egypt that lasts to our very day. The others ... Hittites, Mitanni, Ugarit just can't compare, but ... when we explore Ancient Mesopotamia in our next series, you'll see many legacies remain from them as well.

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Our King Tut trilogy was a great deal of fun for me as well

  • @rdwwdr3520
    @rdwwdr3520 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Makes sense about "hearth" but what people DON'T have a great deal of activity centered around the hearth?

  • @kingalpha4203
    @kingalpha4203 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tribe of Dan left it’s mark everywhere

  • @christinakearns7251
    @christinakearns7251 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can i recommend a book that might interest you "Lebor Gabála Érenn" the Irish book of invasions. The invasion of Eire by the Tuatha Dé Danann, may interest you.

  • @two_tier_gary_rumain
    @two_tier_gary_rumain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What does a"h mean?

    • @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel
      @WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's an honorific that's customarily used by Jews for a deceased person. It's an English abbreviation of the Hebrew עליו השלום which means "may peace be upon him"

    • @two_tier_gary_rumain
      @two_tier_gary_rumain 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WorldHistorybyaJewTheChannel OK.

  • @alanguy58
    @alanguy58 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Marvelous...

  • @BBWahoo
    @BBWahoo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    47:47
    "Who's hero is he?"
    He meets the anti-hero archetype, kind of like a lot of moraly grey jews nowadays

  • @wandamcmillan9355
    @wandamcmillan9355 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ophir being the Phillipines, right?

  • @caseymckinney4101
    @caseymckinney4101 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the Duck and Swan King Armor check Tictoknation 10

  • @Mr.Softy2457
    @Mr.Softy2457 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought the classical greek term palagian (aboriginal) was the root for pellaset
    And the arcaedians were them

  • @ravenfly01
    @ravenfly01 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So this is about the Danish people one of the tribes of Israel. I dont understand why people arent putting it together the tribes are not lost. God kept his promise to the Israelite's and he still is to thier children. Just like he said he would. And they did what they were supposed to do and gave glory to The Most High and they honored him but people were moved and most forgot who they were. Now all you look at is thier coat of arms they will soon see exactly who they are. All of the symbols that the 12 tribes were to make for thier families they did. That is how you figure who you are and where you come from. ❤

  • @danlhendl
    @danlhendl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Oddites?

  • @caseymckinney4101
    @caseymckinney4101 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    God Bless Have Good Day

  • @cantankeros394
    @cantankeros394 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, interesting watch.. but, I wonder why you consider Samson to be 'odd' for a Jewish leader? Numbers and Deuteronomy are full of violence directed at the 'enemies' Israel met upon 'it's' path. In particular, references to men, women and children being wiped out leaving no survivors after victory in battle.. I won't use the word that describes such actions. This is a genuine question, not meant to trigger religious zeal, it was triggered solely by the point of view that a violent leader in the old testament is something 'odd'.

    • @paulmckey634
      @paulmckey634 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They had to wipe them out because those tribes were tainted by the nephilim DNA

    • @trevortoews9850
      @trevortoews9850 หลายเดือนก่อน

      God wouldn’t allow king David to build the first temple because he was a warrior. Also it was hard for me to comprehend the O. T. Genocide of destroying all including animals and crops until I learned these people weren’t fully human. Ie giants. Seed of serpent.

  • @JayDee-x2b
    @JayDee-x2b 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dan did the dirty, Mount Hermon, yeah nah

  • @jeremymott
    @jeremymott ปีที่แล้ว

    Been to Dan it's beautiful

  • @lindsaydickson47
    @lindsaydickson47 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t believe it’s a hearth for heat. The Canaanites sacrificed their children into the fire for Baal. It’s located near the top of the hall so the congregation could observe. If it was for heat, it would be central

  • @JayDee-x2b
    @JayDee-x2b 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Transphillistine