341 Raking Hay With TWO TYPES of Rakes!
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- It's time to rake the hay! A 4-bar rake vs. an 11 wheel rake, which works best and WHY . . . .
. . . . . Why I am using BOTH to make hay in September in Michigan!
Making grass hay in September is TOUGH, but with a bit of patience and forethought MAYBE we can get it done! Subscribe to find out!
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Guys, as I explain in the video I was raking fast ON PURPOSE to have a TEDDING effect. Even raking very slow this still leaves lots of hay on the field and broken tines.
The tines break because the rake was mangled by a previous owner and is no longer square on the frame, so any bump causes the teeth to jump and catch a bar (and break off).
That isn't what that rake is for. If you were on a tractor you would have been able to easily roll the wet on top without it blowing and wrapping up. Just something to think about.
@@jerrynibarger9148 I've used that rake for 5 years with 3 different tractors. All slow and all left hay behind.
@@This1LifeWeLive it leaves hay because it's not set right. I'm talking about being able to roll the hay on the ground not flipping it into to the air. Sometimes the job gets done faster by going slower.
Jerry your right with this one! Check the adjustments on the barr tedder!
i love u too
Well it's starting to get dark so gotta head back to the house. Take care and have a blessed week
Used bar rakes for years. Maybe replaced a dozen tines. Never pulled with a truck, used a tractor, kept speed down. Any older tractor that runs good can be very useful around your farm. Pull bale tubs, rake hay, a lot of smaller easy jobs. And, our old rake was a JD, but several years older.
I'm sure once upon a time it was decent, but someone at some point ran it over and the frame is now twisted, which doesn't help it operate ;D
Fix the twisted barr. These tedders never let you down. You have no idea how much problems a rake tedder can give.
I used a 4 bar rake most of my life and i never experienced the problems you have with it. Cleaned up the fields good. I can see where your wheel rake would be more efficient though. Never teddered it either. Raking was the most enjoyable part of baling 🤤
I think maybe since our grass is pure cool season grass? 1st cut was never an issue but 2nd and third there was no way.
props for alternate use of the Honda Pilot. using the bar rake then wheel rake got the job done and hay dry.
It doesn't help that you are going way to fast with the hay rake
The bar rake is to best at four miles per hour
Yes, probably so. That about what I used to do it at with the John Deere
The rake choice is your preference of ease and how well it meets your standards, : D
Suzanne, I think your old school implement just needs some TLC with blade sharpening (sharpening some when possible will get it done in time), protection from the rain and snow,; tightening loose things to specification and bearing bearings or worn parts, etc. It will work much better and quieter ....
on the rake?? Or the haybine?
That's a beautiful puppy! Stay safe out there and please keep up the great work and videos! I really enjoy them!
Hello neighbor I understand what you were doing 👍 with the bar thing rake, I payed attention 😉 that wheel rake cleans up really good 😉👍✌ see u on the next video my bell is on...!
Great video 👍 like the puppy
Thanks!
Enjoyed your video while I was sitting in the deer blind
Shhhhh!
That was a pretty comfortable ride!
Tough work!! My yorky took years to get used to riding in a car, summer was easiest, as I would turn the AC on her and that worked great...well almost great, than the wife asked me why I ran the AC for the dog but she had to argue with me to roll the windows up and turn on the AC.
Sounds like the next video will be... Interesting.
Take care!
Good to know she's not the only one! Funny enough she did great in the tractor though . . .
Hi, Sue great watching the wheel rake doing its thing amazing how much it gathers up. So now I'm looking forward to the bailing which will be fun. Cheers from South OZ.
Farm girl nice to see you training all the farm hands 👍😊 it does require a little extra patience and lots of snacks looks like you did a great job with training and the hay looks like you have figured out the strong points and weak points of the equipment and when to use what piece 👍💪 very smart thanks for sharing the great video
Two things, slow down with the bar rake. At the speed you were going you are doing damage to the rake as well as beating the leaves off the crop. The idea of those is to gently turn the crop over and windrow it, not act like a tedder and beat the crop up. The other is that it looks like you have it set too low. You want the teeth to almost touch the ground to miss less hay but not actually touch. When they touch it tends to rip the rubber and you lose teeth. Power wise a nice small tractor around 20-25 hp would pull that rake all day with no issues.
The teeth I showed to be 4in off the ground, so if anything it was set too high. the rubber teeth were getting knocked off because it's very mangled and not straight frame-wise, so the slightest bump causes the teeth to hit the bars. Yes I was for sure going too fast, but that was the idea was to use it like a teddar ;)
The wheel rake is much better. Ive heard you can set it so that it barely rolls the hay, or set it so that it flips it all over.
Aaah the comfort of using vehicle instead of tractor while raking,, good dog training so she doesn't think she go to vet every time get in vehicle , : D word of caution your vehicle stopped in field could cause a field fire from catalytic converter on exhaust, be safe : D
Good thought on the fire hazard!
Great job never seen a jeep used to ted hay before fair play to you 👏 👍
makes for a relaxing job, lol!
The fields looks great you and your son did a great job.
Love my 4 basket sitrix tedder. When angled right throws it over 4ft in the air.
Hay Suz, find a nice old Ford 2N, 8N,9N or Jubuilee.;-]
That would work for raking and tedding, but we'd like something with a loader and 60 hp for a second tractor :)
All we ever used was steel wheeled side delivery rake then got new Holland 4 bar roller bar rake they worked fine for us
Have a JD rake like yours even older,no yellow paint still works well. I've pulled mine with a pickup handy that way. I refer to it as a side delivery rake.
Rake the headlands last and you won’t leave the vees of hay
I use a rotary rake. It does a beautiful job. It fluffs the crop so air can get at it to dry. One problem with the side rake is that it rolls crop up like twine. Thus it doesn't allow the air to get at it to dry the crop down. The issue with the v-rake is that it is ground driven. Which then picks up too much debris or ash and doesn't produce a clean crop. A rotary rake is the way to go.
I've heard lots of guys love their rotary rakes. WE considered getting one, but they are FAR more expensive out here, and the New Holland dealer said they work great with thick crops like straw or alfalfa, but not so much for thin hay crops :( Hence why we bought the wheel rake
@@This1LifeWeLive Rotary rakes work well in thin crops too. I grow mostly grass. I have also posted a few videos of the rotary rake on TH-cam. I agree they are a little spending. But if you get a chance to try one out, please do so
That speed you go at makes those tines fly off & thats why it misses so much hay
when used as a rake and raked slowly, it missed just as much hay (if not more). I was using it to have a tedding effect. No need to fully rake when I have a better quality rake.
Ok about the tedding effect, but I still say you are literally blowing the tines off at that speed. I've been farming over 50 years. That is the fastest I've ever seen a roll-bar rake run. Just saying LOL. Please don't be mad at me cuz I think you are really cool
You certainly have received a bunch of flack on this one, even from me. Just saying 👋 Hi
@@robertpsieving4401 yeah, I figured people would be excited the old jd was hitting the field instead of just sitting there rotting 🤔
Hay Farm Girl 👧 Love your new Honda tractor 🚜
It's a one of a kind 😄 quite unique
She's a smooth rider ;D
I have been running bar rakes for 50 years. New Idea, New Holland with front wheel, then back to New Holland without the front wheel. In dry alfalfa you just don't need the wheel running in the hay knocking off leaves. Not a fan of the rubber mounted teeth. Typically don't like to chop behind the rake, you run the risk of picking up rocks rolled into the windrow, and a broken off rake tine would be very bad, both on the chopper, and you sure don't want metal in the feed! On the last New Holland rake when it was new, we had it set up with 3 tines per set. 2 on normally, one on backwards. It really did a nice job, but there was no room for error. If the extra tooth got bent out of position at all, it would be hitting something in the basket. So over the years most of them have been taken off. Still does a nice job in most conditions. Never owned a wheel rake, always felt they put too much dirt into the hay. I often rake pretty fast, generally a high gear with the engine throttled waaay back. Have raked with the truck in a pinch, but didn't feel right, and you can't turn short enough.
I don't think I like the front wheel either, makes a pain to back up and put away (crazy heavy too). I've also opted to put some on backwards, and some slots could fit 3 but some only 1.
Double rotor is a best rake because they Pula a hay and not roll the hay make it like power poles to Bale
Wt farm girl i love watching your channel alot every day u are awesome TH-camr and the pretty one on your channel alot keep up the great work on channel say safe and healthy with your family i hope this will get better soon 😀
No no no no! It's tedededededededed. :vD Looking forward to your baling adventure. I have to cut my 3rd tomorrow, so we'll see if I'm putting cubes up when that vid comes out. Regards!
I'm sure even into October that there are guys here making their last round of hay as well ;D Good luck!
Really surprised that the Honda suspension and transmission aren't ruined..... time will tell.
If you get your dog up where it can see out, it might be ok. When they feel the movement and can’t see they get carsick until they get used to what’s going on
I'll have to try that!
Another tip for your equipment, get a couple cans of spray lithium grease. It will help keep rust away between uses. Cheap insurance for machinery.
Cool using the car
Good stuff Suzanne and Earen:):)
Wow I’ve never seen a bar rake Tortured before.
Now that's raking in style
Have no experience with the wheel rake design., so no comment. We started out with a big steel wheel parallel bar rake, years later with a New Idea low profile rubber tired parallel rake which was great to transport on the road !! Finally when New Idea came out with a PTO 3 point mounted we traded. Time period was in the 40's - 60's.
good job ! great idea using the car 😁👍
we used to use the pickup to turn windrows some times
I want's to cuddle the puppy. AWE she is so cute. oxoxoxoxo
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Not sure if you noticed but while you were showing the rakes, 8.02 in the video. I could have sworn I saw a wasp nest. Be careful and continue with the great content :)
Suzanne . A rolla bar rake should have 5 bars to be efficient and keep the speed down a little Lol. I am not a fan of the wheel rake in our area because they pull everything into the windrow, rocks, sticks and all the dead brown thatch . We prefer the rotary rakes in this area. A second tractor would make your life a little easier on the farm. Keep up the great videos 🙂
I think the dead thatch is my biggest complaint on the rake ;)
Well, that was a first for me. SUV pulling farm equipment in the field. 😊👍
Over the years I've seen JEEPS (CJ type) used but in a low gear so they were no faster than a tractor not in road year. Even tractors are to fast for field work in Road Gear. It's for transport on the road. That's why they call it Road Gear!
First time for Everything
Slow down a bit. That bar rake is about fly apart
still a lil green but excellent looking hay .....guessin 375 bales :) ......will let others tell you about old rake over speed....also curious as to why you didnt use the center kicker on your wheel rake and just piled hay on the center row
I have 100 people last time to try raking without it. Looking at the footage though I see why I DO want to use it. . . . just like you said ;)
Now I see why you loose so many tines off your "bar rake".
I normally drive about 4mph, and they fall off depending on how bumpy the field is.
Jerry your right, her rake isn't adjusted right an is going way to fast, that's why it's falling apart!
I dont eat in the tractor and nobody rides with me. Love my peace and quiet.
Try leaving one side of the wheel rake up if you are just wanting to flip the hay over. Then you won't need both rakes and it will probably do a better job
I ended up doing that right before baling (not sure why the footage wasn't in this video . . . maybe I did shoot any? don't remember . . .)
I know you know a thing or 2 about Drive shafts, well when i was young we haf a 76 Chevy K20 Scottsdale that back then had full-time 4×4 and 1 of our workers was using to pull a Grimm Tedder and the front drive shaft got wrapped up with hay ruined the seal on the differential, bent in the oil pan on the Automatic transmission, the ball of hay was bigger than a beach ball.Not to mention front differential lost all its gear lube and Ring and pinion gears got trashed from no gear lube.
Oh wow, very good point! I should look under the Honda!
Country Girls do Survive, Huh! You go girl! Baby boy is growing like a wild weed before you know it he'll stand over your head, girl.
told him once he's as tall as me he has to carry ME everywhere . . .
@@This1LifeWeLive Did he say okay?
Another great video. Suggestion: if you have a dog or puppy in your truck, if you get out, be sure to take your keys with you. Especially if you have automatic door locks. You could get locked out if your puppy hits the door lock switch. Lol. Dont ask me how i know this!!! 🤣
Same if you travel with Cats or Kids.
Erik did this with his dog a few months ago. ALways a good tip!
"Soccer mom" raking at its best, LOL 👍
If you want a honest view. I would stick with the barr tedder only adjust the tedder and drive slower! The new holland rake tedder is a different ballgame! Check some video’s from the lonely farmer. He has improved a rake tedder and you get a view off what’s waiting in store for you with your tedder!
If i can give you a tip. Reinforce that new rake tedder cause those tubes that are used get a lot off stress on them!
Need to tedder to get grass fluffed and off the ground . Just my opinion ! Eddy
We have a teddar and it doesn't fluff it, it just scatters it across the ground. And it's too small for the tractor. But after we were done a neighbor's elderly father walked up and mentioned he used to have a similar tedddar and he tried a different way of using it that DID fluff the hay, so we might try that next year.
Will be watching to see what happens during bailing.
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That rake was never meant to pull that fast.
Isn’t that a large wasp nest on the JD rake 8:11
Yeah it looked like it was a hornets nest.
Yes!! That is a hornet's nest. I can't believe it went unnoticed. A painful lesson is going to be taught unless it is eliminated. Don't forget they will hibernate in that nest in the winter too.
Yes, I saw it when I greased it up before attaching it to the SUV. Far safer to scare all the wasps out in the safety of the SUV while pulling it than to try to knock it out before pulling it . . . by the time I kicked it out there were no wasps left.
Raking @ 50mph! Hahaha... 😁 😆 😅
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The problem with my side delivery rake is this. It is so old I can't find parts for it.. I bought an old wheel rake. It only has 1 row of wheels.
Raking at 40mph with a SUV, yeah thats hard on the equipment. Maybe you should invest in another smaller tractor.
Or fix the Farmall. Too many people are just plain scared of tricycle wheelers.
The only thing the first raker is good for, is to hold a beehive. 🐝
Get another tractor go slower that takes gonna fly apart. Older tractor cheaper than your car plus it has a fixed rate of speed.
LOL,,,,that was exactly what i thought was going to happen when she went to the slo-mo shot of the rake ......
IT was an experiement. We don't use the rake since we bought the New Holland. I wanted something to give a bit of a tedding effect before the real raking.
I've used the side delivery, the wheel, and a rotary rake, liked the rotary best, as long as you're able to capture most of it, that's the important thing, hay is looking good, love that tease, you didn't get Wes to come out, did you?, can't wait to see who
Maybe Wes stopped in when he was picking up his corn head.
I've heard lots of guys love their rotary rakes. WE considered getting one, but they are FAR more expensive out here, and the New Holland dealer said they work great with thick crops like straw or alfalfa, but not so much for thin hay crops :( Hence why we bought the wheel rake
That makes sense
Watch out there is a big bees nest there
Watch the exhaust raking like that
I see you finally raked with the kicker wheel up and the wind rows look better... Now you need to just rake back and forth making long straight rows. The baler will work a lot better and make better bales... Oh! When using a rake don't "Paint' yourself into a corner. you will be lifting the rake to jump rows and make big clods of hay in the field.
I'm a visual learner, so often trying to explain a field course if hard for me to understand unless I watch someone else do it first. When I first started out, I'd get mad at older TH-cam Farmers for not showing their corners, as I had NO idea how to make one, lol
Why are you running the center wheel? Hay will dry better if it’s all raked won’t it?
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Nicely done Suz, just need to slow it down a little..
That's a fantastic way to burn your car and hatfield to the ground, I had a friend who done this in a pickup truck got hay wrapped around the drive shaft and got next to the catiletic converter and burned truck, rake, bailer tractor and field up!!! There is a reason why you use tractors in the field, keep learning
Love your vids :) 💕
Thank you!
I'm not a pro but in my opinion you are going WAY TO FAST slow down where is the fire
way to fast for a rake no wonder the teeth are broke and it left hay
as explained in the video is ha always done this, and I used to rake the hay slowly when I was trying to rake it. This time I was usiing it as a teddar. I explain this at the end of the video.
Poor dog! I would of gotten motion sickness going around in circles like that to. Yes I know I don't chase my tail.
We love to rake in a real truck, not a tractor!
Hiya Suzanne how have yall been will you get rid of the non effective machines and will yall do a sugar shack this year have a day love from TEXAS
Not sure yet. That's our next topic of discussion . . . WE saw some great systems last year, so we are excited to re-vamp everything, but it's a matter of planning . . .
The tedder will work better than that rake . Run the tedder at low pto speed ,will not throw hay ever where and run the tractor at what speed you want by running in higher gear. Thank you for your videos. Are you still happily married hope very thing is fine.
AFter we were done, we had an old farmer pop in who happend to see us tedd a few months ago and told us how he ran his teddar to prduce nice fluffy rows. SO I think next year we will give it a shot!
That is the first time I have ever seen a Honda Pilot raking hay..................
I think i would have ran the Tedder over it the next day after mowing to kick up some green
Going too fast with roller bar rake. Not made to pull with truck or car. Try pulling wheel rake with truck or car not lifting up see how well it takes around corners.
That tine you found in the mow looked different. Still had bolt in it or did bolt break off? I couldn't believe you were raking at 25 mph! Poor Dog. Poor rake. :eaving half the hay behind.
It broke off the rubber. Theys how they come off. the bolts are strong so they stay behind on the rake. I was raking 10mph, but to ted the hay, not really rake it.
@@This1LifeWeLive OK then. My mistake. Was thinking metric. They are very stiff tines I thought you were raking. Fire risk is real as the Catalytic Convertor gets very hot. Hope you beat the weather.
I THINK YOU CAN ADD BAR 5 TO THAT JOHN DEERE RAKE THAT WOULD HELP
I don't think that is actually a Deere unit.
@@steveholton4130 YES THAT IS A JHON DEERE 640
@@steveholton4130 hard to tell, but it does have a deer serial number tag on it
@@This1LifeWeLive My mistake - there's no arguing with a serial number plate
Should rake with wheel rake with just one wing down,than double the next day..
I did th opposite, raked one wing up to flip it right before baling . .
@@This1LifeWeLive yeah good with the heavy gees its been crazy to get the hay to dry this fall, ,all you can do is keep flipping it. Wheel rakes seem to pick the grass up better..good luck..
Had one of those old jd.think nh better. Nh fluffs better. My ten wheel rake sitrix same as u got leaves nothing. Lock one wheel up if 1st real heavy. Ur just spoiled with that n h tractor air and tunes. Gess u had same with the car.lol. that old jd sure was maxed out.later in year only use one side for 2nd and 3rd depends on weather. Think one of those long tined big pto rakes best.but beyond my budget.
Yes they are expensive (not sure why), we looked at them too before opting on the 10 wheel rake.
You want to sell the Tedder?
That is to funny, 1st time i ever seen anyone rake hay with a Honda pilot. Only Suzanne would think of that.was this because you thought you were low on your Diesel supply?
Erik suggested it. I've tried the side by side and it's ROUGH going for 3 hours straight.
I don,t know if the side by side clutch could handle a constant heavy load torque for extended Time like that.check your Pilot drivetrain to make sure no hay wrapped up any where, although hay was laying flat and low.Good job Suzanne you got er done!
I know this is the last suggestion you need with all the outflow of money am sure that is involves in getting a farm up and running. But could you please buy a device to stop the wind noise it is very hard to hear you. I swear where ever in Michigan you live it must me have the most wind of any place in the US.
well, I had one on my camera but the puppies chewd it off. I keep forgetting to put a new one on . . .
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Hay looks nice! I think them single wakes are nice only in prefect square fields, and waking really thick hay for single rows which that's why it calls a single wake..lol but for bubbling we hate it at least I do, always messing up your outside winows.. but what's nice about them single wakes, you can flip it upside down to dry to perfectly where the V wake at least that's what we call them, inerways they literally rotat the hay, back in to it's button side, so the it doesn't have a good chance to dry out unless you don't have a good enough breeze😉. Cute little doggy😍no she wasn't happy, she's like LET ME OUT OR I'LL THRWPU ALL OVER you NOW moma..Lol but she's cute. And it was hard to make out, if your kid a boy or girl with that much hair on his head..lmao 😂 other than that good video.
Hey there you little cutie Susie
Wow that old rake it terrible lol
Please use a dead cat on your microphone or tape a cotton ball. Can't hear you over the wind noise .
Your side by side would have worked better to pull the rake
I have done that before, but honestly 2 hrs driving the side by side is NOT fun, lol.
Hobby farmers! Do I need to say more, probably shouldn't put farmer in their tho!
You were raking to fast
The idea was to tedd it, not rake it. I wanted it to gain air.
I don't understand why you are losing so many tines on your bar rake. My dad used one for 20+ years and I don't remember ever losing one. The main danger is that one could puncture a tractor tire, which would ruin your whole day.
part of the issue is that it's not straight. previous owner at some point "ran it over" so the frame is pretty bent up. I tried fixing it a few years ago, but no luck. every bump causes the tines to whack the cross bars.