I'd like to congratulate you on your clear, and also thank you for posting this -- I've used it extensively as my own group is progging through the fight as a comparison point.
First time I've ever watched an Ultimate in action. Wow, that's a lot of mechanics going off at once, and the duration of the fight is quite something as well. Makes the Savage stuff look simple by comparison ^ ^; Congrats on your victory :O
Yeahh, can't imagine the prog and focus needed, not to mention the hours of practice needed. This vid is basically shows a group of 8 players with 18++ min of unparalleled focus with near perfect coordination (judging from no raise is used).
That's because savage is simple in comparison. you cannot gain access to ultimate raids unless you meet the requirement of beating the current raid tier. since you know you gotta learn how to play the game/your job in order to clear savage then you get to prove the limits of your skills by attempting savage. some people can't clear some can. but anyone can clear an ultimate it all about the dedication and commitment.
@@Kooper. I would like to think that I am. Just finding the right people to try the content with; Who also have the right mind set, temperament and time is the hard part.
@@celestialtiger17 I tend to forget how hard it is to find a good group for these kinds of things. The group I'm playing with was made in SB for uwu HC prog and it's the first group I joined for HC progression. I am very lucky for being able to just play with (mostly) the same people for 4 years already
@@Kooper. That super cool I am happy for you. For myself it has been mostly solo. I have met some really nice people a long the way and joined a friendly FC however, I have not met anyone with the same goals as I do. Let a lone find a static group for raiding. Honestly, I just want to be a better player in the end. Thanks for your replies, it's nice to talk shop ;)
We look at the back exa flare and check if it's a + or X. If it's X-shaped, we dodge into it but we also have to check the shape of the other 2 exas and where they are pointing. You will also need to do a backstep like we did at 17:56 if at least one of the other 2 Exas is a X and points towards your safe spot. Otherwise you can just stand still. Most of us did the backstep at the time stamp because we didn't check and we didn't want to die to this. On the other hand, if the back exa is a +, you look for a second + at the front exas and you dodge into that one. No backstep required ever. We never saw a pattern where the back one was a + and the 2 front ones are either both + or both X. Should you somehow ever find these patterns, you'd do the following: If the 2 front ones are X (while the back one is still +), you dodge into any of the front ones without backstep. They are both always safe. Should all 3 exas be +, you dodge into the back one and you never need to backstep. As I said, we never saw this patterns anywhere so you shouldn't bother remembering them but we talked about this in our strat discussion just in case. The brain dead strat that I see other groups do is: Always dodge into the back one and always do a backstep if you are not sure if it's safe to stand still. This strat works 100% of the time on any pattern.
@@Kooper. kooper i was about to comment about that. that my group we only focus on the exo that spawn on his butt and always just move 1 step back and that make the mechanic brain dead
@@SuguSugux Yeah that tactic was discovered shortly after the world first race ended basically. Go into South one and then outwards into for the next explosion, resolved. Very easy
I just do No Mercy after I get my first ammo combo and then burst as you can see in the video. I do Sonic Break first because often the boss phases before the dot falls off so I'm trying to get that 1 extra tick and I hold back on burst strikes when the boss is becoming untargetable/phasing so I can do a reopener with full ammo when he comes back. I'm maybe not the best person to ask though when it comes to GNB optimization.
@@Pandakrator not him, but when messing around as gnb for a lil bit I found 2.41 to be really comfy. if you facepull and hold on burst strikes, you can do reopener after 1st trio with 3 ammo. rest of the fight is mostly dependant on CD timers from previous phases for the most part, just make sure to end on like 2 cartridges each phase to keep it comfy
@@cheffi14 I answered that question under a different comment already so I'm just going to copy/paste my answer: We look at the back exa flare and check if it's a + or X. If it's X-shaped, we dodge into it but we also have to check the shape of the other 2 exas and where they are pointing. You will also need to do a backstep like we did at 17:56 if at least one of the other 2 Exas is a X and points towards your safe spot. Otherwise you can just stand still. Most of us did the backstep at the time stamp because we didn't check and we didn't want to die to this. On the other hand, if the back exa is a +, you look for a second + at the front exas and you dodge into that one. No backstep required ever. We never saw a pattern where the back one was a + and the 2 front ones are either both + or both X. Should you somehow ever find these patterns, you'd do the following: If the 2 front ones are X (while the back one is still +), you dodge into any of the front ones without backstep. They are both always safe. Should all 3 exas be +, you dodge into the back one and you never need to backstep. As I said, we never saw this patterns anywhere so you shouldn't bother remembering them but we talked about this in our strat discussion just in case. The brain dead strat that I see other groups do is: Always dodge into the back one and always do a backstep if you are not sure if it's safe to stand still. This strat works 100% of the time on any pattern.
@@Kooper. Alright, so seems fairly simple! Because from what i saw you just knew asap where to go and was super confused haha thanks for clearing it up! ♥
@@smaller_cathedrals well, maybe it just me, but mechanics don't look so hard from the side. But another thing is too react on them and move quickly and right.
@@ShadzHorkos You are correct. One static member who couldn't take time off was 9th maning for us and gave callouts during newer phases if he was at home. He was in voice chat when we got to p7 for the first time and he called out all mechanics, exa save spots and mitigation needed instantly because he could just watch and look at our notes. We on the other hand were completely overwhelmed and would have probably died to the very first exa flare. Being in the fight just puts so much more pressure on you.
@@Kooper. through I haven't done myself, but I guess can compare to Dark Souls. Boss movements are not that hard but when you fighting them yourself, you get pressured by when boss going to do his move, is it right moment to attack? And so on. That's why I'm sure it was hard for you. But I hope that it was fun.
I use virtual audio cable (that's a program) as my primary output device and then listen to the same virtual device in the input device settings. That way I can listen to audio as if nothing changed. Finally I set the output device on discord to my headphones directly. With this my PC audio flows like this: Game -> Virtual Audio Cable -> Headphones Only discord is the exception where it looks like this: Discord -> Headphones My recording software only takes audio from the virtual audio cable and not my headphones. It's not easy to setup if you aren't tech savy but there should be tutorials for it.
I would say the 2 main differences are randomness and the faster pace. Many things in savage are extremely predictable so you know who has to be where at what time. In ultimate many mechanics can target any player so you have to be more flexible as a player and have more flexible strategies that accommodate the randomness. Ultimates are also much faster than savage. Next time you do or watch a savage clear, notice how much time you have between mechanics where absolutely nothing is happening. In ultimate most mechanics are chained together with fewer breaks. I think the first Nidhogg phase is a prime example of mechanics happening back to back. The second "trio" during the first Thordan phase also requires you to do difficult mechanics for almost a minute straight.
@@Kooper. my group is currently at Nidhogg enrage, what would you say is the hardest phase mechanically to execute, and which one is the tightest as far as healing/mitigation checks?
@@sonder006 Hardest phase would go to p6 (Nidhogg + Hrae) simply because failing any mechanic usually results in a instant wipe without even giving you a chance to practice. Akh Afah is also really annoying to deal with and can easily end a run. While p6 is the hardest phase, the award for hardest mechanic goes to Death of the Heavens in p5. Be prepared to spent some days on that mechanic alone. The tightest healing/mitigation check happens unfortunately in the final phase. The Gigaflares hit extremely hard and the Akh Morns are also no joke. The phase transition also hits so hard that we use single target defensives on top of party mitigation just to survive. You can see at 14:49 how I'm giving heart of corundrum to the RDM and I know the DRK is also giving TBN to somebody else (I think the DNC). You can also see how the WHM is getting oblation. Everything just hits like a truck.
8 phases total but the first phase is a door boss (not in the video) and the rewind bit where you save Haurchefant is not considered a phase but an intermission. So the final phase is considered phase 7. I hope that helps.
Diminishing someone's accomplishments without any proof is just disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. There are some black sheep in the community who use programs like that to clear stuff but that's rarely the case. But pointing at someone and accusing them without any proof is just rude af. Get a grip, edgelord.
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I like how all party member's battle effect are visible. Feels very immersive.
I don't know which is crazier, clearing the ultimate or playing with full party effects on.
Definitely the second one 😂
Playing ultimate with only 30 min food buff
@@WarcanoIX You know the fight length is cursed if 1 food is enough for only 2 pulls (with FC buffs)
@@Kooper. I guess yeah
4:51 the short moment he dced
God this is terrifying, many congratulations
God the ending text though is giving me such a bag of emotions tho
What an amazing fight and coordination. Congratulations for the clear!
I'd like to congratulate you on your clear, and also thank you for posting this -- I've used it extensively as my own group is progging through the fight as a comparison point.
That last spell from RDM was epic it was like a finisher :0
to think every move you guys are making is extremely calculated, but to me just looks like a normal fight is hilarious to me. Hah anyways congrats!
A normal fight?! Dude, what kind of fights are you doing then? At no point does this resemble anything like a normal fight.
@@smaller_cathedrals I think @ahriiko means they're doing it so cleanly that they make it seem simple.
@@smaller_cathedrals Yeah it just looks like any old savage fight from 5.0, even if it's much, much harder than even the 6.0 savages and a lot longer.
First time I've ever watched an Ultimate in action. Wow, that's a lot of mechanics going off at once, and the duration of the fight is quite something as well. Makes the Savage stuff look simple by comparison ^ ^;
Congrats on your victory :O
Yeahh, can't imagine the prog and focus needed, not to mention the hours of practice needed.
This vid is basically shows a group of 8 players with 18++ min of unparalleled focus with near perfect coordination (judging from no raise is used).
That's because savage is simple in comparison. you cannot gain access to ultimate raids unless you meet the requirement of beating the current raid tier. since you know you gotta learn how to play the game/your job in order to clear savage then you get to prove the limits of your skills by attempting savage. some people can't clear some can. but anyone can clear an ultimate it all about the dedication and commitment.
Certain satisfaction with watching perfect execution. Well done!
I want to be good engough to pull this off. This looks so epic! Congrats on the clear.
All you need to do is try and be open for criticism :D
@@Kooper. I would like to think that I am. Just finding the right people to try the content with; Who also have the right mind set, temperament and time is the hard part.
@@celestialtiger17 I tend to forget how hard it is to find a good group for these kinds of things. The group I'm playing with was made in SB for uwu HC prog and it's the first group I joined for HC progression. I am very lucky for being able to just play with (mostly) the same people for 4 years already
@@Kooper. That super cool I am happy for you. For myself it has been mostly solo. I have met some really nice people a long the way and joined a friendly FC however, I have not met anyone with the same goals as I do. Let a lone find a static group for raiding. Honestly, I just want to be a better player in the end. Thanks for your replies, it's nice to talk shop ;)
Those lag spikes make this even better lol
Then you are going to love the video I uploaded after this aka. "Lag of the Heavens"
oh god not the lag spike
This pull is actually on my phone connection because my normal connection was even worse
@@Kooper. wait wait wait. You did this battle. . .using a hotspot? From a phone??
@@SoraShadowdancer Yes. Yes, I did
@@Kooper. damn. That's impressive! Kudos to you! Not only for beating it, but for beating it while using a hotspot!
@@SoraShadowdancer bro hotspots are often better than wifi
Congratulations on the clear!
Congrats but as someone who is redoing the MSQ that has got to be a tough fight with tears in your eyes...
Awesome, my friend. 😍💕 Thanks for sharing. 👍 Have a good day.🤗✨
Your pfp on TH-cam is so cute, can I ask who drew it?
Thank you. I also think it's super cute. It's drawn by Elithe Inanna.
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I dont even know what I am looking at....I swear I couldnt see any safe spot most of the time, this is crazy
Holy shit this is intense
I've a curious question, how do you know which hexaflare to go on for P7?
We look at the back exa flare and check if it's a + or X. If it's X-shaped, we dodge into it but we also have to check the shape of the other 2 exas and where they are pointing. You will also need to do a backstep like we did at 17:56 if at least one of the other 2 Exas is a X and points towards your safe spot. Otherwise you can just stand still. Most of us did the backstep at the time stamp because we didn't check and we didn't want to die to this. On the other hand, if the back exa is a +, you look for a second + at the front exas and you dodge into that one. No backstep required ever.
We never saw a pattern where the back one was a + and the 2 front ones are either both + or both X. Should you somehow ever find these patterns, you'd do the following: If the 2 front ones are X (while the back one is still +), you dodge into any of the front ones without backstep. They are both always safe. Should all 3 exas be +, you dodge into the back one and you never need to backstep. As I said, we never saw this patterns anywhere so you shouldn't bother remembering them but we talked about this in our strat discussion just in case.
The brain dead strat that I see other groups do is: Always dodge into the back one and always do a backstep if you are not sure if it's safe to stand still. This strat works 100% of the time on any pattern.
@@Kooper. Thanks a lot for the swift and detailed answer!
@@Kooper. kooper i was about to comment about that. that my group we only focus on the exo that spawn on his butt and always just move 1 step back and that make the mechanic brain dead
@@SuguSugux Yeah that tactic was discovered shortly after the world first race ended basically. Go into South one and then outwards into for the next explosion, resolved. Very easy
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no braindead exaflares pog
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That was impressive.
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Congratz. Btw, what opener do you use?
I just do No Mercy after I get my first ammo combo and then burst as you can see in the video. I do Sonic Break first because often the boss phases before the dot falls off so I'm trying to get that 1 extra tick and I hold back on burst strikes when the boss is becoming untargetable/phasing so I can do a reopener with full ammo when he comes back. I'm maybe not the best person to ask though when it comes to GNB optimization.
@@Kooper. Thanks a lot. Also, what's your skill speed?
@@Pandakrator not him, but when messing around as gnb for a lil bit I found 2.41 to be really comfy. if you facepull and hold on burst strikes, you can do reopener after 1st trio with 3 ammo. rest of the fight is mostly dependant on CD timers from previous phases for the most part, just make sure to end on like 2 cartridges each phase to keep it comfy
@@kenz3137 I see, thanks!
Okay how the fuck do you make out the safespots for those akh morns in p7 LMAO
And congrats on the clear!
What Akh Morn safe spots do you mean? You mean if it's in or out or how the group is supposed to split? Or something else entirely?
@@Kooper. I meant exaflares lmao, the in/out with fire/ice seems to be pretty straight forward.
@@cheffi14 I answered that question under a different comment already so I'm just going to copy/paste my answer:
We look at the back exa flare and check if it's a + or X. If it's X-shaped, we dodge into it but we also have to check the shape of the other 2 exas and where they are pointing. You will also need to do a backstep like we did at 17:56 if at least one of the other 2 Exas is a X and points towards your safe spot. Otherwise you can just stand still. Most of us did the backstep at the time stamp because we didn't check and we didn't want to die to this. On the other hand, if the back exa is a +, you look for a second + at the front exas and you dodge into that one. No backstep required ever.
We never saw a pattern where the back one was a + and the 2 front ones are either both + or both X. Should you somehow ever find these patterns, you'd do the following: If the 2 front ones are X (while the back one is still +), you dodge into any of the front ones without backstep. They are both always safe. Should all 3 exas be +, you dodge into the back one and you never need to backstep. As I said, we never saw this patterns anywhere so you shouldn't bother remembering them but we talked about this in our strat discussion just in case.
The brain dead strat that I see other groups do is: Always dodge into the back one and always do a backstep if you are not sure if it's safe to stand still. This strat works 100% of the time on any pattern.
@@Kooper. Alright, so seems fairly simple! Because from what i saw you just knew asap where to go and was super confused haha thanks for clearing it up! ♥
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From the side it looks easy. But I can't even imagine how hard it was for you to move so extremely calculated
How does this look easy?!
@@smaller_cathedrals well, maybe it just me, but mechanics don't look so hard from the side. But another thing is too react on them and move quickly and right.
@@ShadzHorkos You are correct. One static member who couldn't take time off was 9th maning for us and gave callouts during newer phases if he was at home. He was in voice chat when we got to p7 for the first time and he called out all mechanics, exa save spots and mitigation needed instantly because he could just watch and look at our notes. We on the other hand were completely overwhelmed and would have probably died to the very first exa flare. Being in the fight just puts so much more pressure on you.
@@Kooper. through I haven't done myself, but I guess can compare to Dark Souls. Boss movements are not that hard but when you fighting them yourself, you get pressured by when boss going to do his move, is it right moment to attack? And so on. That's why I'm sure it was hard for you. But I hope that it was fun.
@@ShadzHorkos It was very fun. I would say "I can't wait for the next Ultimate" if I didn't have irl responsibilities xD
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The only flaw I see in this story is they acting like we wouldn't still be on a war path still after Aymeric was tortured
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How do you record gamesound only with shadowplay ?
I use virtual audio cable (that's a program) as my primary output device and then listen to the same virtual device in the input device settings. That way I can listen to audio as if nothing changed. Finally I set the output device on discord to my headphones directly.
With this my PC audio flows like this: Game -> Virtual Audio Cable -> Headphones
Only discord is the exception where it looks like this: Discord -> Headphones
My recording software only takes audio from the virtual audio cable and not my headphones. It's not easy to setup if you aren't tech savy but there should be tutorials for it.
@@Kooper. Thank you Sir, you made my day. Happy new year
but there is a benefit in it))
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Does this mean DRK can actually get Thordan's sword now?
Nope. I wish it was the case. Having Ascalon would be sick
@@Krysta1Rose Indeed. Honestly most DRK swords have awful designs, while Ascalon looks badass.
I'm not cut out for this stuff. 😅
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And here I am, sitting on nidhogg eyes prog. sometimes being a casual that plays 4h a day hurts me.
including the fact you're the one that fail the most too...
farther than me!
>casual
>4 hours a day
🤨
4h/day casual...?
Ok I gotta ask what the ultimate things about is it just harder raids? And Bosses?
I would say the 2 main differences are randomness and the faster pace.
Many things in savage are extremely predictable so you know who has to be where at what time. In ultimate many mechanics can target any player so you have to be more flexible as a player and have more flexible strategies that accommodate the randomness.
Ultimates are also much faster than savage. Next time you do or watch a savage clear, notice how much time you have between mechanics where absolutely nothing is happening. In ultimate most mechanics are chained together with fewer breaks. I think the first Nidhogg phase is a prime example of mechanics happening back to back. The second "trio" during the first Thordan phase also requires you to do difficult mechanics for almost a minute straight.
@@Kooper. my group is currently at Nidhogg enrage, what would you say is the hardest phase mechanically to execute, and which one is the tightest as far as healing/mitigation checks?
@@sonder006 Hardest phase would go to p6 (Nidhogg + Hrae) simply because failing any mechanic usually results in a instant wipe without even giving you a chance to practice. Akh Afah is also really annoying to deal with and can easily end a run. While p6 is the hardest phase, the award for hardest mechanic goes to Death of the Heavens in p5. Be prepared to spent some days on that mechanic alone.
The tightest healing/mitigation check happens unfortunately in the final phase. The Gigaflares hit extremely hard and the Akh Morns are also no joke. The phase transition also hits so hard that we use single target defensives on top of party mitigation just to survive. You can see at 14:49 how I'm giving heart of corundrum to the RDM and I know the DRK is also giving TBN to somebody else (I think the DNC). You can also see how the WHM is getting oblation. Everything just hits like a truck.
how many "boss phases" are there? it seems like 6 bosses or 7
8 phases total but the first phase is a door boss (not in the video) and the rewind bit where you save Haurchefant is not considered a phase but an intermission. So the final phase is considered phase 7. I hope that helps.
Dang it, this would've be perfect if it was in English.
Is it time to upload 2 povs? 1 in English and one in Japanese?
Cant be that hard if you could do it
prob using ACT/mod on other screen to clear
Diminishing someone's accomplishments without any proof is just disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.
There are some black sheep in the community who use programs like that to clear stuff but that's rarely the case. But pointing at someone and accusing them without any proof is just rude af. Get a grip, edgelord.