1:01 Well, THAT'S rare, the Macintosh TV was no stranger to me before this episode (though I've learnt a thing or two), but that thing really is. Looking forward to the upcoming episode on that box.
I'm well aware of that, I just wanted to hear Ken's opinion on it. You can watch 20 different TH-cam reviews of the same product and each video will usually mention something that the previous video didn't.
I actually have a Macintosh TV but it really dosn’t even work. It suffers from a rust problem and while I was sort of able to solve it, I think it has a number of other problems I haven’t been able to solve. Maybe one day I could take it to you Ken and you could try to help me. XD
I have a surviving example with remote, manuals, and black keyboard/mouse. Works perfectly because I pulled the battery a decade ago. Total piece of shit -- but a cool one.
I remember seeing this being demoed, at my college's book store, in TV. I still distinctly remember it, decades later, because it's frame rate was so awful, and it seemed to be just a little slower than real life. Looking at it made me feel claustrophobic. I remember thinking I'd rather not have a TV than have that thing. It would have been useless to me anyway. I got an 8100/100. Since I did digital imaging.
As a now-retired teacher, I had several of the LC-520's in my classroom They worked well for what they were used for. Funny that mine had a TV tuner in it. Yes, it was limited but for a few years, it was a great desktop to use.
Thanks for tracking one down and making a video! I found this thing on mactracker when I was a kid in the early 2000s and was always enamored by it with its black case.
What it needed to combine TV and desktop was scaler and overlay hardware, like was done in PCs several years later, starting around i think 96-ish you could do those things and they would actually work smoothly? I don't think copying image data on the CPU was actually all that viable at all, whether it's a 030 or a 040. That being said, for 93 it's actually pretty good.
@@TheSanco26 Yep : ) I sometimes post behind-the-scenes shots of on Twitter, and I post a lot more on my Patreon. Enjoy! twitter.com/thecomputerclan Patreon.com/KrazyKen
Our family got our first Mac in 1996, a Performa 6320CD. It had the TV tuner and RCA jacks - even a S-Video port. The remote was slightly different. It did all the same things, though including the screenshot, and background audio. I thought it was the coolest thing ever.
That was our first family computer ever (in beige). I saw this black model on eBay for $50 in the mid 2000s on eBay. I wanted it so bad but I was just a kid with no money
Back in the mid/late 90s i had a LC 575 My dad was a school teacher and had gotten it from his school when they upgraded. The amount of time as a kid i spent playing games and all that on it was crazy. I cant remember if it was actually a TV tuner but i did have a video input card for it. But i did use that as my first TV for years hooked upto a VHS player.
I had a Performa 630 which had a TV tuner, it was the most common home Mac. It was actually pretty fun being able to capture TV in that long past era .
The funny thing about the black CD drive is that at the same time, Steve Jobs' new company NeXT was selling a caddy-load CD-ROM drive…. In black… with a black front panel and flap… (Sadly, I can't find any evidence that a _CADDY_ was ever available in black.)
My first PC (in 1997, I was a die-hard Commodore kid before that!) was a Toshiba Infinia. Got it when I was heading to college. They did integrated TV right. P200MMX which wasn't the fastest at the time but it was enough, an amazing PCI TV/FM tuner that didn't tax the CPU.. It could DMA directly to the on-board video (and you could put TV in a window!) The best parts of that machine were 17" monitor with decent speakers and an LCD control panel with remote that was actually the first USB device to ever be included with a PC. I kept that monitor, tuner card, and control panel through many PC upgrades, modifying the drivers to work with Win 98 and ME when they came out. Oh, and it was all matte black. Sadly you could not stick a different motherboard in the Toshiba tower case, the AGP slot was blocked.
I had a similar computer from this series going into high school which was the Performa 550. It came with the Motorola 68K processor and then was sent an offer in the mail from Apple to upgrade it to a PowerPC machine. Bought the upgraded daughter card and additional RAM and VRAM for the upgrade. The computer specific model changed with the upgrade to a LC 575. The upgrade also included a Control Panel switcher where you could change the processor mode of the computer from 68K to PPC. It was a great computer for the time running stuff I needed for high school to include CADD.
Lol, when computers where trying to "catch up" with the market they would eventually take over. Reminds me of Windows Media Center with its tv tuner (aka the birth of Metro UI). Media center extender allowed us to stream stuff to our xbox... back in my days we had to download a plugin to open MKV files and another one if it had AC3 audio, now it's all integrated in whatever OS we use.
Can you imagine how cool this thing would have been in the day if it actually worked good? A TV and a computer in one would have been amazing to folks at the time. We take for granted being able to watch tv on our computers with duel monitors and all that stuff.
Fujitsu did a PC version that looked like this too. though it worked differently the tuner wasnt built onto the motherboard so you could watch tv with the pc switched off and didnt have problems with any stutter. Think it was a dual array system. was good.
When I was in I think middle school I remember one of the teachers' computer's that looked like that had a coax port on the back of it. And another teacher had either that or a USB tuner and would throw on the Packers football game during homeroom.
All of the caddy-based AppleCD drives were built by Sony and none were ever made in black (a few had grey/black door flaps but none had full black bezels). Apple were either unwilling to pay or Sony were unwilling to produce a black bezel for them, so we only got the beige ones. Later black Macs with tray-loading drives had black plastic bezels on their CD drives but these were mostly built by Matsushita who were either more willing to work with Apple or already otherwise built black CD drives. The '030 was more versatile than the '040 which, in addition to being cheaper and simpler to implement, is why it was used here: the '040 can't run any ancillaries at fewer than 32 bits or less than the CPU's rated bus speed without the use of additional support chips to interface them to the '040 native bus whereas the '030 could interface to these things directly, which is why the '030 and its bus endured for so long. The Mac TV wasn't the only '030 Mac to run the bus at half CPU speed: there was also the IIvx/P600.
I honestly had thought of buying the Mac TV option but was turned off by the price. I bought a Performa 405 instead and maxed out the memory to 10GB. With RamDoubler installed, the effective RAM was 20GB and I didn’t sacrifice any HD space for virtual memory. Great video.
@@fifaworldcup1994 The crazy motherboard on this Apple only could see 10Mb of RAM, so even, I think it was an 8Mb RAM stick used, only the 1st 6Mb was usable by the computer. The slick software was the Ram Doubler by Connectix which bypassed the abysmally slow virtual memory of system 7.5 through a clever memory management trick (it removes 1/2 of the memory redundancy for memory registers- don’t ask me how? And it tricks the OS into thinking that it is running virtual memory-when it’s not; making possible a smaller amount of memory allocated to each program). So even with the bios and motherboard limitations, I had an effective 20Mb of RAM available without using precious hard drive space.
Do a talk on the various versions of the Mac Portable. I had and used a bunch of these back in the day. I really liked the display of the first version - mono and reflective. It was great in full sunlight. I used to rebuild the batteries with Gates cells.
My uni had a lab of black Macs circa 1998 that look very similar. I think they were for education students: I mostly used the Windows NT (later XP), Unix and Linux labs. I never really used Mac until 2008 when I got a work iMac, and it did have a remote!
i remember my folks bought us a $3000 pc back in the early 90s which is equivilent to about $5000 now. for school, it cost more than my dads car and took them 3 years to pay it of. this was before the internet so all we did was play games on it... crazy times...
This reminds me of Amiga CDTV, which was also black (contrary to usual gray/beige computers), featured a remote control, connected to antenna, had a CD drive, and also ended up being a huge flop. And it was released 2 years before Macintosh TV. I'm surprised Apple didn't learn from Commodore's mistake.
Back in the day it was something of a joke, but it was just a variant of a regular Mac which looked the same, but had the usual beige case. There was an even earlier model in ‘94 called the Quadra 660AV which was the only Mac to have an unusual startup chime.
I had one of these for years until it finally failed, TV tuner was useless in my region since we didn't have cable. My mom worked at Apple in the early to mid 90's so she was always able to get the latest Macs at low prices
The system bus is generally slower than the CPU. 970MP G5’s system bus was 1/2 of the CPU speed also, but maybe it was more appropriate considering their larger cache and faster RAM.
Haha. I had of of those but was slow so we got an LC with a tv card and a 75mhz processor and was way better, i wish i knew they will worth some money today. Oh well i still have a TAM lol
9:19 fun fact: the full quote is actually "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one". Probably the most misquoted phrase in history.
My childhood computer was the performa 575 also in that Apple TV case I loved it till it’s death in 2007 (we had upgraded well before than but my mother knew I loved it) My mother thought it didn’t turn on anymore mostly because she didn’t know there were two buttons you needed to hit for it to come on I came home one day from school to find it missing from my corner desk to find out she brought it to the dump without asking me 😭😭 along with all the games I had for it man do I miss it 😢 I’d love to get a new in box unit one day
Just saying the G3 AIO Is the king of the 2 in 1 Mac Computers. Mine was used as my media center and workstation for years. No mac since has really ever touched its expandability and versatility :)
My mom was ahead of her time in the nineties, she had a TV tuner card for her work computer so she could watch tv while she worked. I wonder how many people continued to use this as their TV after they got a new computer because they didn't want to buy a new TV.
Honestly for the time this was released it would have been lit, especially for the target demographic, or even if you wanted to have a home office or something, but being the 90s it had to be in the family room.
I wanted to buy one of these as my first Mac when they were new, but the guy at our local Apple retailer literally talked me out of it! I ended up buying a Quadra 605 instead.
I was willing to bet you've seen Veritasium's video -W"why we can't have nice things" Beacuse of that lightbulb background. I would have been wrong as your video is about 2 days earlier.
I really like the black color of the Macintosh TV. Nice channel selection for the TV portion of your video. 69 dude! LOL. As for the black color case, I feel the same about the Commodore CDTV being black and looking like a piece of hi-fi gear. So sexy!
7:00 I like how Apple went out of their way to put a fanciful depiction of a film camera to specify which port is for video, but then for audio they just put some... arrows and a circle? 😆
hell I'm amused that it's even a film camera. Yes Apple, I will hook up my _films_ to this, thank you. Not just normal video, no no, we are above that here.
i just realised i didn't see any video of you this week, so i clicked on your channel and there was the video, i didn't get a notification, i'm happy i can see this video still, maybe there's a bug, anyone having the same problem here?
Do you have the notifications set to "all"? If not, TH-cam will not send you a notification for every video of ours. Try setting the bell to "all." If that still doesn't work, try unsubscribing and then re-resubscribing, and then set the bell to "all." Thanks for watching! 🔔
TV cards back in the day used a PCI-push technique, from my understanding it wrote the data directly into the video ram, using almost next to nothing on CPU power wise, so why Apple made this choice is beyond me. Also the 68030 has a 32bit adress bus, why not using the thing?
I have an ISA TV card from the time period. It works via chroma keying the PC display. Additional feature: it could be displayed in a window. It's the only card i've encountered that uses the 'feature connector' on graphics cards from the era. Without the feature connector connected it could only do full screen video like this Macintosh TV. All of the video processing and chroma keying was handled by the card itself it basically didn't use the ISA connector for much aside from power and sending framebuffer grabs (screenshots) so it would work on basically any computer speed.
I don't think this is a PCI computer. This didn't come to Apple before 1995. I think the chips you're thinking of came out in 1997, like BT848, BT878, they had PCI Bus Master to transmit the video to the graphics card, and the graphics card would have the Overlay mode hardware to deinterlace, colour-convert and scale the video. Quite an orchestration between video card and TV card. The Overlay hardware was useful anyway to view VideoCD and such like, so it was useful regardless of TV tuner. Before that, you find connector FC feature connector on the video card. There were several potential foreseen uses of this, but it's useful for a TV tuner. The video card then transmits the pixel clock, blanking and sync signals, and by simple counting, the TV tuner can then determine the resolution and the timings. The software can then transmit to the TV tuner the pixel coordinates to output the image to. During this window corresponding to these coordinates, the tuner can then pull down a pin and toggle to its own output, that it supplies. But this didn't look very well, since it was limited to 8-bit colour. Also the tuner needed to bring its own deinterlacing, scaling, colour conversion, and dithering, this is a big chunk of hardware. There was also a 40-pin version and some modified protocols on 26-pin to transmit full RGB colour. It was common to see an ISA TV-Tuner connected to a PCI video card in that era. Well, as uncommon as tuners were back then actually, they didn't become inexpensive and widespread before the BT PCI tuners mentioned above. What do you do for a computer like this if you don't have all of this hardware available? Simply borrow a tuner hardware from a VCR. Make a special monitor that can operate in 15KHz interlaced mode (like a TV) besides 30KHz+ progressive VGA mode. Transmit analogue video directly to the monitor, switch it into this special mode to do so. Easy. So then of course the video cannot be combined with desktop.
@@SianaGearz I also possess BT based capture devices. This is not what i outlined in my original comment. The device i outlined is not a capture device. Its only to display the TV input on the monitor of a computer.
@@SianaGearz Yes I know that this system does not use PCI, it was more the point that If they would really put some effort in it, that there were better way's of doing it, like writing the data directly into the video memory.
@@Jackpkmn Yeah like in my second paragraph, i go into those. When i wrote my comment, your comment wasn't visible on my end yet for whatever reason, and my comment was not a reply to yours.
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I thought the Macintosh TV looked cool at the time, something different compared to the all those beige machines, it was shame it was so under-powered. A bit like the Commodore CDTV, who were also trying to converge the computer and AV markets, another black box which was under-powered and under appreciated.
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Ha! Channel 69 LOL!!!
@@andreas.r.hoffmann but this was built-in to the computer. It was not an accessory.
I always wanted this Mac as a kid. My mom wouldn’t even entertain the idea. She wasn’t wrong, but I still love the aesthetic.
Your pfp has a "I want to eat your eyeballs" kinda vibe. Bravo 👍.
I used to eye this Mac at the mall all the time, but it was the “can’t watch TV in a window” that killed it for me.
I asked my mom and dad for a computer, and this was what they brought home. I still have the MacTV in my basement.
Does it still work?
Same, for early 90s it’s actually not too bad
No one:
John Sculley: I see an LC-520, and I want it painted black.
rolling stones
No beige anymore I want it painted black
apple:
the designer of the mac tv: hey let's make a crappy computer and toss a tv tuner in it
Yes Ken, I did pay you to look at the Macintosh TV cause I got suckered into paying for TH-cam Premium
YOU TOO. I thought I was the only one
I have youtube premium
@@Vibri_but_Paranoid same
@@macecail nice
@@Vibri_but_Paranoid yes
1:01 Well, THAT'S rare, the Macintosh TV was no stranger to me before this episode (though I've learnt a thing or two), but that thing really is. Looking forward to the upcoming episode on that box.
You should do a video on the Apple Pippin. I don't think a lot of people realize that Apple had a home console.
I'm well aware of that, I just wanted to hear Ken's opinion on it. You can watch 20 different TH-cam reviews of the same product and each video will usually mention something that the previous video didn't.
I actually have a Macintosh TV but it really dosn’t even work. It suffers from a rust problem and while I was sort of able to solve it, I think it has a number of other problems I haven’t been able to solve. Maybe one day I could take it to you Ken and you could try to help me. XD
I believe Ken killed his own Macintosh TV is a previous video when he tried to install MacOS 7.6
Maybe reach out to Ken at Mac84!
I have a surviving example with remote, manuals, and black keyboard/mouse. Works perfectly because I pulled the battery a decade ago. Total piece of shit -- but a cool one.
I remember seeing this being demoed, at my college's book store, in TV. I still distinctly remember it, decades later, because it's frame rate was so awful, and it seemed to be just a little slower than real life. Looking at it made me feel claustrophobic. I remember thinking I'd rather not have a TV than have that thing. It would have been useless to me anyway. I got an 8100/100. Since I did digital imaging.
As a now-retired teacher, I had several of the LC-520's in my classroom They worked well for what they were used for. Funny that mine had a TV tuner in it. Yes, it was limited but for a few years, it was a great desktop to use.
I remember seeing these for sale in my college bookstore.
@Samson Themighty is that necessary?
Well they didn’t know what they where doing.
Should’ve bought one, now you’d be rich
@@Noah-Lach I know. Value held up a lot better than my power mac 6100.
Nobody remembered that March 24th 2021 was Mac OS X’s 20th birthday :(
This was a beautifully edited video!
Thank you : ) I hope you enjoy the other Tech Talk episodes, too! I try to make 'em as pretty as possible.
Thanks for tracking one down and making a video! I found this thing on mactracker when I was a kid in the early 2000s and was always enamored by it with its black case.
I Like This Thumbnail. Too Funny.
i agree
What it needed to combine TV and desktop was scaler and overlay hardware, like was done in PCs several years later, starting around i think 96-ish you could do those things and they would actually work smoothly? I don't think copying image data on the CPU was actually all that viable at all, whether it's a 030 or a 040. That being said, for 93 it's actually pretty good.
This shot at 7:36 was so cool!
Thank you : ) That was my favorite one as well.
I thought that too, smooth.
@@ComputerClan Did you use one of these fancy Laowa probe lenses for that shot?
@@TheSanco26 Yep : ) I sometimes post behind-the-scenes shots of on Twitter, and I post a lot more on my Patreon. Enjoy!
twitter.com/thecomputerclan
Patreon.com/KrazyKen
Our family got our first Mac in 1996, a Performa 6320CD. It had the TV tuner and RCA jacks - even a S-Video port. The remote was slightly different. It did all the same things, though including the screenshot, and background audio. I thought it was the coolest thing ever.
That was our first family computer ever (in beige). I saw this black model on eBay for $50 in the mid 2000s on eBay. I wanted it so bad but I was just a kid with no money
Working at Kodak as a computer confit tech I remember setting up PC boards in macs and installing Windows 95. Oh the good ole days.
Awesome video Ken! I had no idea that the unit was so interesting- And slow!
Thanks for watching : )
Thank you for creating excellent content worthy of a sub, The camera zooming through the case was a really cool touch
Back in the mid/late 90s i had a LC 575 My dad was a school teacher and had gotten it from his school when they upgraded. The amount of time as a kid i spent playing games and all that on it was crazy. I cant remember if it was actually a TV tuner but i did have a video input card for it. But i did use that as my first TV for years hooked upto a VHS player.
I had a Performa 630 which had a TV tuner, it was the most common home Mac. It was actually pretty fun being able to capture TV in that long past era .
The funny thing about the black CD drive is that at the same time, Steve Jobs' new company NeXT was selling a caddy-load CD-ROM drive…. In black… with a black front panel and flap… (Sadly, I can't find any evidence that a _CADDY_ was ever available in black.)
My first PC (in 1997, I was a die-hard Commodore kid before that!) was a Toshiba Infinia. Got it when I was heading to college. They did integrated TV right. P200MMX which wasn't the fastest at the time but it was enough, an amazing PCI TV/FM tuner that didn't tax the CPU.. It could DMA directly to the on-board video (and you could put TV in a window!)
The best parts of that machine were 17" monitor with decent speakers and an LCD control panel with remote that was actually the first USB device to ever be included with a PC. I kept that monitor, tuner card, and control panel through many PC upgrades, modifying the drivers to work with Win 98 and ME when they came out.
Oh, and it was all matte black. Sadly you could not stick a different motherboard in the Toshiba tower case, the AGP slot was blocked.
I had a similar computer from this series going into high school which was the Performa 550. It came with the Motorola 68K processor and then was sent an offer in the mail from Apple to upgrade it to a PowerPC machine. Bought the upgraded daughter card and additional RAM and VRAM for the upgrade. The computer specific model changed with the upgrade to a LC 575. The upgrade also included a Control Panel switcher where you could change the processor mode of the computer from 68K to PPC. It was a great computer for the time running stuff I needed for high school to include CADD.
Lol, when computers where trying to "catch up" with the market they would eventually take over. Reminds me of Windows Media Center with its tv tuner (aka the birth of Metro UI). Media center extender allowed us to stream stuff to our xbox... back in my days we had to download a plugin to open MKV files and another one if it had AC3 audio, now it's all integrated in whatever OS we use.
Can you imagine how cool this thing would have been in the day if it actually worked good? A TV and a computer in one would have been amazing to folks at the time. We take for granted being able to watch tv on our computers with duel monitors and all that stuff.
The LC520 was the first Mac I’d ever used. I’m surprised by how old it was considering it was 2001 when I used it.
Fujitsu did a PC version that looked like this too. though it worked differently the tuner wasnt built onto the motherboard so you could watch tv with the pc switched off and didnt have problems with any stutter. Think it was a dual array system. was good.
When I was in I think middle school I remember one of the teachers' computer's that looked like that had a coax port on the back of it.
And another teacher had either that or a USB tuner and would throw on the Packers football game during homeroom.
All of the caddy-based AppleCD drives were built by Sony and none were ever made in black (a few had grey/black door flaps but none had full black bezels). Apple were either unwilling to pay or Sony were unwilling to produce a black bezel for them, so we only got the beige ones. Later black Macs with tray-loading drives had black plastic bezels on their CD drives but these were mostly built by Matsushita who were either more willing to work with Apple or already otherwise built black CD drives.
The '030 was more versatile than the '040 which, in addition to being cheaper and simpler to implement, is why it was used here: the '040 can't run any ancillaries at fewer than 32 bits or less than the CPU's rated bus speed without the use of additional support chips to interface them to the '040 native bus whereas the '030 could interface to these things directly, which is why the '030 and its bus endured for so long. The Mac TV wasn't the only '030 Mac to run the bus at half CPU speed: there was also the IIvx/P600.
I think Apple should bring this back, but maybe make the screen a little bigger? It might not need a disk drive either.
I honestly had thought of buying the Mac TV option but was turned off by the price. I bought a Performa 405 instead and maxed out the memory to 10GB. With RamDoubler installed, the effective RAM was 20GB and I didn’t sacrifice any HD space for virtual memory. Great video.
"maxed out the memory to 10GB"
what
@@fifaworldcup1994 The crazy motherboard on this Apple only could see 10Mb of RAM, so even, I think it was an 8Mb RAM stick used, only the 1st 6Mb was usable by the computer. The slick software was the Ram Doubler by Connectix which bypassed the abysmally slow virtual memory of system 7.5 through a clever memory management trick (it removes 1/2 of the memory redundancy for memory registers- don’t ask me how? And it tricks the OS into thinking that it is running virtual memory-when it’s not; making possible a smaller amount of memory allocated to each program). So even with the bios and motherboard limitations, I had an effective 20Mb of RAM available without using precious hard drive space.
Do a talk on the various versions of the Mac Portable. I had and used a bunch of these back in the day. I really liked the display of the first version - mono and reflective. It was great in full sunlight. I used to rebuild the batteries with Gates cells.
My uni had a lab of black Macs circa 1998 that look very similar. I think they were for education students: I mostly used the Windows NT (later XP), Unix and Linux labs. I never really used Mac until 2008 when I got a work iMac, and it did have a remote!
7:38 that transition! You've outdone yourself again!
Back then, the TV Tuner was probably a central selling point, nowadays it's just a special mention if it's present at all.
Marketed to college students, for $2000? The 90s were very different times indeed.
i remember my folks bought us a $3000 pc back in the early 90s which is equivilent to about $5000 now. for school, it cost more than my dads car and took them 3 years to pay it of. this was before the internet so all we did was play games on it... crazy times...
This reminds me of Amiga CDTV, which was also black (contrary to usual gray/beige computers), featured a remote control, connected to antenna, had a CD drive, and also ended up being a huge flop.
And it was released 2 years before Macintosh TV.
I'm surprised Apple didn't learn from Commodore's mistake.
Back in the day it was something of a joke, but it was just a variant of a regular Mac which looked the same, but had the usual beige case. There was an even earlier model in ‘94 called the Quadra 660AV which was the only Mac to have an unusual startup chime.
I had one of these for years until it finally failed, TV tuner was useless in my region since we didn't have cable. My mom worked at Apple in the early to mid 90's so she was always able to get the latest Macs at low prices
Wait did you get the iphone 4 disassembly art thing in the back that’s cool
Yep! It’s by Grid Studio.
I really am missing content like this from your channel I know you have to do newer stuff and thats okay but I love this older content
S, Apple's history of making expensive crap is longer than I thought.
The system bus is generally slower than the CPU. 970MP G5’s system bus was 1/2 of the CPU speed also, but maybe it was more appropriate considering their larger cache and faster RAM.
Haha. I had of of those but was slow so we got an LC with a tv card and a 75mhz processor and was way better, i wish i knew they will worth some money today. Oh well i still have a TAM lol
9:19 fun fact: the full quote is actually "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one". Probably the most misquoted phrase in history.
My childhood computer was the performa 575 also in that Apple TV case I loved it till it’s death in 2007 (we had upgraded well before than but my mother knew I loved it)
My mother thought it didn’t turn on anymore mostly because she didn’t know there were two buttons you needed to hit for it to come on I came home one day from school to find it missing from my corner desk to find out she brought it to the dump without asking me 😭😭 along with all the games I had for it man do I miss it 😢 I’d love to get a new in box unit one day
Wow. That cd-rom drive is a VERY un-Jobs thing for Apple to have done! I absolutely cannot fathom Apple glossing over a detail like that...
As a teenager it bugged me enough to take mine apart and paint it.
Had a power Mac 6500 with a TV tuner and composite inputs in it as well.
Noice
Non-beige Macs definitely aren't a dime a dozen.
Black especially is pretty amazing for something from 92-93ish.
7:36 thats some dope b-roll
Can you make a review on the fitswatch smartwatch and those wireless Bluetooth earphones
Now this thing was way ahead of its time!
My PowerMac 5500 is in storage - it's an Australian 'Director's Edition' marked black 5500, the descendant of this Mac.
Apparently you could “technically” use this Macintosh TV for digital terrestrial tv/cable/satellite but it might be difficult.
5:41 the TV is tuned at channel 69
nice
Just saying the G3 AIO Is the king of the 2 in 1 Mac Computers. Mine was used as my media center and workstation for years. No mac since has really ever touched its expandability and versatility :)
My mom was ahead of her time in the nineties, she had a TV tuner card for her work computer so she could watch tv while she worked. I wonder how many people continued to use this as their TV after they got a new computer because they didn't want to buy a new TV.
I actually saw one of these at a now-closed Goodwill Computer Works. I thought it was a cool novelty
Honestly for the time this was released it would have been lit, especially for the target demographic, or even if you wanted to have a home office or something, but being the 90s it had to be in the family room.
A girl in my dorm in the early 90’s had one of these black maca and it was more of a gimmick than either a computer or tv.
Damn, 7 seconds in, almost spat out my coffee when you said exactly what I thought you were going to say! HAHAHA
A pc and a TV Man that is nice. The only thing that gets close to that today is newer Samsung TV and remote desktop.
I'm starting to wonder if Ken owns just one t-shirt or 30 identical t-shirts
I own one t-shirt and a washing machine.
90's Macs were coasting on 80's Apple design.
Ken: Welcome to marchintosh
It’s March 25 but ok.........
uh do you know what a joke is?
@@elvislopes2 uh do you know what satire is?
This is why I bought an Xbox One -- the tuner function was good for my bedroom, which is in a bit of a signal dead area.
I also heard that in your podcast!
I do can’t wait for someone out there to make a processor that is clocked at terahertz speeds instead of mhz or ghz
1992 we had 100mhz 486dx4 100 processors running at 25mhz on a 4x multiplier. Or was it the DX2 66? Hmmmmm
Imagine playing melee on this
WOW that front row graphic took me back
Oh yes. I love the carousel. (and those sound effects)
I wanted to buy one of these as my first Mac when they were new, but the guy at our local Apple retailer literally talked me out of it! I ended up buying a Quadra 605 instead.
when is the next episode of scam busters?
btw you should have a theme song for that
Scam buster reminds me of iDubbbztv's Kickstarter Crap for some reason. I consider this as the spiritual successor.
I was willing to bet you've seen Veritasium's video -W"why we can't have nice things" Beacuse of that lightbulb background.
I would have been wrong as your video is about 2 days earlier.
When the specs are so bad even for that time, you know you're doing something wrong.
Does blackintosh have any relation to blapple? (futureman reference)
I used to have that old plug n play game thing and now that’s all I want to play 😂
My roommate had this in our Barracks room when I had just joined the military… It was kind of cool
Oh dang. That's cool. : o
was that imac 2007 or 2009 with big sur?
I really like the black color of the Macintosh TV. Nice channel selection for the TV portion of your video. 69 dude! LOL. As for the black color case, I feel the same about the Commodore CDTV being black and looking like a piece of hi-fi gear. So sexy!
7:00 I like how Apple went out of their way to put a fanciful depiction of a film camera to specify which port is for video, but then for audio they just put some... arrows and a circle? 😆
hell I'm amused that it's even a film camera. Yes Apple, I will hook up my _films_ to this, thank you. Not just normal video, no no, we are above that here.
ha. Well, the arrows are for left and right audio channels, but the film camera is a nice touch of class. Quite. 🧐🎩
i just realised i didn't see any video of you this week, so i clicked on your channel and there was the video, i didn't get a notification, i'm happy i can see this video still, maybe there's a bug, anyone having the same problem here?
Do you have the notifications set to "all"? If not, TH-cam will not send you a notification for every video of ours. Try setting the bell to "all." If that still doesn't work, try unsubscribing and then re-resubscribing, and then set the bell to "all." Thanks for watching! 🔔
The Classic II was just an all-in-one mono LC2.
If it can run OS 8 or 9, you can browse the web using Classila.
Dark mode Platinum 5:36 How did you not mention this!?
TV cards back in the day used a PCI-push technique, from my understanding it wrote the data directly into the video ram, using almost next to nothing on CPU power wise, so why
Apple made this choice is beyond me. Also the 68030 has a 32bit adress bus, why not using the thing?
I have an ISA TV card from the time period. It works via chroma keying the PC display. Additional feature: it could be displayed in a window. It's the only card i've encountered that uses the 'feature connector' on graphics cards from the era. Without the feature connector connected it could only do full screen video like this Macintosh TV.
All of the video processing and chroma keying was handled by the card itself it basically didn't use the ISA connector for much aside from power and sending framebuffer grabs (screenshots) so it would work on basically any computer speed.
I don't think this is a PCI computer. This didn't come to Apple before 1995.
I think the chips you're thinking of came out in 1997, like BT848, BT878, they had PCI Bus Master to transmit the video to the graphics card, and the graphics card would have the Overlay mode hardware to deinterlace, colour-convert and scale the video. Quite an orchestration between video card and TV card. The Overlay hardware was useful anyway to view VideoCD and such like, so it was useful regardless of TV tuner.
Before that, you find connector FC feature connector on the video card. There were several potential foreseen uses of this, but it's useful for a TV tuner. The video card then transmits the pixel clock, blanking and sync signals, and by simple counting, the TV tuner can then determine the resolution and the timings. The software can then transmit to the TV tuner the pixel coordinates to output the image to. During this window corresponding to these coordinates, the tuner can then pull down a pin and toggle to its own output, that it supplies. But this didn't look very well, since it was limited to 8-bit colour. Also the tuner needed to bring its own deinterlacing, scaling, colour conversion, and dithering, this is a big chunk of hardware. There was also a 40-pin version and some modified protocols on 26-pin to transmit full RGB colour. It was common to see an ISA TV-Tuner connected to a PCI video card in that era. Well, as uncommon as tuners were back then actually, they didn't become inexpensive and widespread before the BT PCI tuners mentioned above.
What do you do for a computer like this if you don't have all of this hardware available? Simply borrow a tuner hardware from a VCR. Make a special monitor that can operate in 15KHz interlaced mode (like a TV) besides 30KHz+ progressive VGA mode. Transmit analogue video directly to the monitor, switch it into this special mode to do so. Easy. So then of course the video cannot be combined with desktop.
@@SianaGearz I also possess BT based capture devices. This is not what i outlined in my original comment. The device i outlined is not a capture device. Its only to display the TV input on the monitor of a computer.
@@SianaGearz Yes I know that this system does not use PCI, it was more the point that If they would really put some effort in it, that there were better way's of doing it, like writing the data directly into the video memory.
@@Jackpkmn Yeah like in my second paragraph, i go into those. When i wrote my comment, your comment wasn't visible on my end yet for whatever reason, and my comment was not a reply to yours.
Hey, how do you run Big Sur on your 2005 and 2007 iMac's. Can you tell me how?
This is how: You can’t
The insider version won't work so I'll wait for this...
lmao
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2 years later and still not a video about that set top box???
Hold up, is that iMac from 2008-09 running Big Sur? WTH HOW
With a patcher
actually, the powerbook 100 was the first black Mac in the market.
hello ken, i have to say these are good vidieos you make
Is this the first Jet Black color in the entire Apple products?
I may have found a new product for your review. The GoAxil GS Extreme earbuds.
Where is that interactive tv episode?
Fun video and great patreon segway :D
I thought the Macintosh TV looked cool at the time, something different compared to the all those beige machines, it was shame it was so under-powered. A bit like the Commodore CDTV, who were also trying to converge the computer and AV markets, another black box which was under-powered and under appreciated.